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US Fears Loss of ICQ Honeypot
AHuxley writes "US law enforcement bodies view the sale of instant messaging service ICQ to a Russian company as a threat to homeland security. In spring 2010, Russia's largest Internet investment company, Digital Sky Technologies, agreed to purchase the service for $187 million from AOL. The US is sure that most criminals use ICQ and, therefore, constant access to the ICQ servers is needed to track them down. As the system is based in Israel, American security service have had access. The article concludes, 'Lawyers [of unspecified nationality] say that to block the deal the US Committee on Foreign Investment needed to cancel it no later than within 30 days after the deal has been announced — so unless the rules are broken, nothing can be changed.'"
But it's the compuserve psychos you have to watch out for.
Nothing can be done?! Nonsense. The National Security Act could be used to simply seize the entire operation, if it's that important.
Uh-oh!
As the system is based in Israel, American security service have had access.
While ICQ was founded in Israel, it's been owned by AOL for over a decade. The ICQ network has been integrated with AOL's AIM network many years ago and the servers are located in AOL's network supercenter in Virginia.
Do people still use ICQ? I thought it was a dying technology in 2000 when I first signed up for it as it was being supplanted by AIM, Yahoo, and MSN (which have been supplanted in many ways by Facebook).
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But good luck, they're behind 7 proxies.
kgb c u but usa no c u!
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The US is sure that most criminals use ICQ
Proof ?
...other than "Prime Time Russia"?
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
A peer-to-peer architecture would be better for IM - no single point of failure at a server that impacts all conversations, end-to-end security rather than client to server, server to client, and no man in the middle attacks by government agencies or anybody else who chooses to record the conversations going through the servers. I sometimes wonder whether all the public IM servers are run by the "Air America" airline. The only use of a server in IM should be as a directory and participant availability service, not to carry the conversations, unless both participants are behind NAT. If one of the participants have a public IP address the conversations could go direct between the end-points. SIMPLE
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
i'd hide myself behind russian proxies and use ICQ. The "intelligence" community is *SO* trusting...
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I dunno what's more shocking, that the government thinks ICQ has any relevance with anything anymore or that someone thought the network was worth $186 MILLION dollars. That's just insane.
In Soviet America government seeks you!
Why didn't some CIA front company buy it instead? They have these big black budgets, don't they?
Do people still use ICQ? I thought it was a dying technology in 2000
ICQ is based in Israel and has always had strong regional loyalties. Bids are in for AOL's sale of ICQ--it's down to 'UN' of 4 buyers [Feb 8]
IIRC once you announce something is a honeypot, it stops being a honeypot ~
Also who the hell still uses ICQ?
Use ICQ? Data/proof please? Or is this one of those "foreigners use ICQ therefore that's where all da crime at!"
My organization left ICQ a long time ago. We whisper each other in WOW. And if it's a really important deal, we insist on face to face meetings in Booty Bay.
I always knew AOL was a decoy network set up to trap black hats! But not even the grey beards of the US Gov't could match the talent pool that meets daily on ICQ to discuss their new devious missions.
The Admin and the Engineer
Golden Girls fucking rule. They really need to reboot that series into a new film featuring a story that only a teenager would find "deep" and meaningful, a cast of women who aren't afraid to take charge and effeminate boys posing as men.
Oh and lens flares. Tons of lens flares.
uh oh!
First off, if the 'US' is 'sure' of something (for example weapons of mass destruction), then you can be 100% certain the US is up to no good.
Second, "The US is sure that most criminals use ICQ and..." ---- really?? I will happily plunk down a $1,000,000 bet and walk down to the nearest prison and ask a random sampling of 'criminals' what they know about ICQ. Rest assured, almost none of the criminals will have a clue about ICQ. Kids however, would be able to tell you all about it. ...maybe the US is referring to kids who download shitty music as 'criminals'? If keeping ICQ in order to track a bunch of pimply-faced kids downloading music is 'National Security', then America is truly fucked.
I am open source, and Linux baby!
The US said it is sure that most criminals use ICQ
It's true. I once parked in a handicap space about a dozen years ago, which was about the same number of years ago that I tried out ICQ for a couple of days.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
I'm not at all a fan of Russia, and I don't really believe that the cold war ended. We just stopped fighting it. At least I know that they still aren't our friend. That being said, I don't trust my own government here in the United States either.
This is actually a good thing. When they fight it out, the people win. Russia will have the exclusive right to part of the information, and the US will have the other part. If both of them refuse to cooperate, then perhaps our personal data is a little safer. After all, neither one of them is a freind to the people.
There are 10 commandments: 01)Thou shalt love the Lord Thy God 10)Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Matt22:34-40
Holy shit people still use ICQ??? I thought it fell off the face of the map... I mean who says "Hey what's your ICQ" or "Are you on ICQ?"... It's been forever since ICQ was anything but a novel messenger service... I mean really???
Forget the U.S. potentially snooping ICQ, and pay attention to the fact that Russians almost certainly will. If you thought it was unsafe to send a CC or SSN over ICQ before now (which it was), well you better double down on that conviction and warn everyone you know that uses ICQ just where the traffic will be headed from now on...
I don't mean to offend anyone, but the simple fact is that bribery is not that uncommon in Russia so there are many more paths for organized crime to get to key numbers such as these from network techs that work in Russia. And it takes only one...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
i've been in a holding cell and i've never used ICQ.
(Although i wasn't actually convicted... so maybe we'll need someone else to come forward)
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A warning to people out here: RT is the Russian international propaganda channel - ANYTHING it reports should be taken with a grain of salt and verified through other sources.
RT is a farely new Russian government owned news channel, and has been gaining more and more presence everywhere lately. Their journalism is extremely untrustworthy - fabrications are common and government anti-america propaganda is rampant.
> Which includes seizing property.
Israel has a working democracy, more or less, so the case could quite easily get stuck in the courts and make it all the way up to the Supreme Court, like this case where a village from the occupied territories sued to prevent its land being appropriated because of the planned location of the separating wall between Israel and the occupied territories (they originally lost, more or less, but then later the Supreme Court decided that the separating wall had to be moved, which returned about 40% of the lost land --- when the army got around to it, almost three years later).
I doubt that the either the US or even Israel would really want the bad publicity concerning such close complicity that such a case might raise (it might be done "in secret" but one of the other good things about Israel is that those kinds of secrets tend to leak out, somehow).
I eventually gave up using the service because I kept getting huge messages from people I didn't know with cyrillic names. I always assumed it was an attempted buffer overflow attempt and hoped because I was using a nonstandard client on linux that it didn't have the same leak, or that if it did, that the payload would simply crash in the linux environment. I wonder now if it was perhaps just cyrillic unicode explanations how some pill or another would enhance my virility, that displayed as extended ascii characters (all I allowed in the text window). All the people I know have migrated to other services now anyway.
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
Let me get this right, the US authorities are worried about the ICQ* service going to the Russians.... has the US seen just how much their economic rivals China own of the US economy? Get your priorities in order.
* Does anyone actually use ICQ any more?
Take Nobody's Word For It.
I'm getting sick of US government ...democracy ?! Yeah right .... if democracy means protecting corporate interest.... You americans really need to get your shit together ..... .....and you think you are democracy? That the ppl have any power ..ahahahah ... ICQ is where criminals are ... yeah , like there where wepons of mass distruction in Iraq ?
Who the frick do you think you are ?! Phunny 200years old country... stop messing with other ppl's stuff , go fix your problems first.... 8y with Bush
There are quite a few simple rules for the proper use of ellipses, which are used more often in legal writing than most forms of writing, since lawyers often (generally too often) quote material from other sources. Failure to use the proper form of an ellipsis could misrepresent the work of another person and result in legal liability for the writer. Correct use of ellipses, on the other hand, shows that the writer has carefully attended to detail, and thus increases the reader's confidence in the reliability of the written work.
In formal writing, the most common way to use an ellipsis is to show that you've omitted words. For example, if you're quoting someone and you want to shorten the quote, you use ellipses to indicate where you've dropped words or sentences.
I wouldn't consider this formal writing, but comic strip writers have been known to use ellipses instead of periods. I'm speculating here, but it seems as if the ellipses are being used as a way to draw you into the next frame--as if they are saying, "Keep going; there's more to come." For example, Charles Schulz always used ellipses instead of periods at the end of sentences in Peanuts.
Are you a comic book?
It constantly shocks me just how totalitarian the United States has become.
This kind of state spying would be illegal in a democratic country.
Americans should seek immediate regime change, and force a transition toward democracy.
If other counties behaved in the same way as the United States, spying on people, and interfering with the business of other nations, then I'm pretty sure the nazis in Washington would have a meltdown.
As has been clearly evidenced over the last half century, US policies have had a universally negative effect on the world. The United States should turn its attentions to its own failed currency, indebted economy, mass unemployment & poverty, failed ideology, and collapsed industrial base.
The answer is here? http://www.quantcast.com/slashdot.org
What are our hackers going to talk on now ... ??? All we have is IR....oh wait. Nobody's used ICQ in years.
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
Okay, seriously. People who claim or think ICQ is barely used by anybody nowadays obviously have their heads too far up their ass. You do realize that there exists a wide, grand world outside of the glorious US of fuckin' A, right? Just because ICQ isn't popular in the US doesn't mean it's the same way everywhere else. ICQ is very widely used in Germany, for example. Some other comment mentioned the ex-USSR countries as well. Even if you say it as a joke ... it's not funny. Those of us who know otherwise just facepalm and remember that the internet is full of blithering idiots like you.
Bzzt. Wrong. Citations here. Loser.
Magna Carta
Queen Anne Statutes
Etc
http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/magna-carta/features/the-british-constitution-finished
Sheesh. How certain could you be and how wrong at the same time????
And what Russia could do: seize Microsoft Code under Eminent Domain. And, since all government information is available to ANYONE no matter what the copyright or NDA says anywhere in the world (see the people clamoring for Phil Jones' blood in the CRU data "scandal"), print it out on the internet.
you sound very gay.
And that's exactly the problem with jabber. Some applications run better when each participant acts both as a client and a server at the same time - i.e. the dictionary definition of a peer. An IM conversation occurs between two peers - they both send and receive information. So the peers should communicate directly if they can, not via some intermediary unless they have to. NAT is a reason why they might have to, which is why IPv6's goal is to get rid of NAT - so that if a peer-to-peer application architecture suits, then the network fully supports it.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
Because bad guys use ICQ instead of Freenet right?
pot: kettle.
Forum posts under a pseudonym are hardly more reliable than Wikipedia.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on Slashdot... which is saying something.
The vast majority of criminals in the USA are people breaking the speed limit. I doubt that a significant percentage of them use ICQ, and even if they did, they probably wouldn't be talking about the speeding they're doing.
I piss off bigots.
ICQ is used in FSU via a convenient client "Qip" http://qip.ru/ Almost nobody is using an original ICQ client.
I think the US and RF governments should fight cyber-crime together.
Businesses in the FSU usually have a low profit margin. At the same time, the USA is one of the top spam generating countries http://www.projecthoneypot.org/spam_server_top_countries.php
Spam kills our businesses in FSU because colleagues spend a lot of working time on dealing with it. Spam filters do not help anymore. This is an area where the RF government should be interested in cooperation with the US authorities to reduce the amount of spam incoming into our businesses. Without an international effort this problem can not be solved.
I guess there could be criminals who may use ICQ, but I know for sure that there are criminals who flood our servers with spam. Significant part of this spam has the US origin. So there is a vast field for law enforcement agencies to cooperate.
For example, a mobile police team from Russia could bust a spam kings, say, in Alabama, destroy spam servers and go home in Russia. It is much harder task to do for local cops. And vice-versa. A team of the US police officers could bust, say, a soft pirates' sweetshop somewhere in Siberia and go home after destroying the illegal production and equipment. Again it is not an easy task for local police to come and destroy a business, even an illegal one.
Nowadays when we are in one and the same network it would be more productive to cooperate than to confront.
Disclosing your IP address and the fact you're using an certain versions AIM is an invitation to hackers.
Your computer is broadcasting an IP address. Click here to fix it.
I detect sarcasm. The "broadcasting an IP address" adverts appear to be for anonymizing web proxies. But there's a difference between disclosing your IP address to a legitimate machine listed in the DNS, such as a web site, and disclosing your IP address to another residential user. If a contact originating in the DNS turns malicious, you can pull info from Whois when you file the police report. AIM and ICQ, on the other hand, have no reliable counterpart to Whois as far as I know.
Presumably in a p2p network, where everything is a potential mitm attack, you wouldn't be able to ignore the possibility of it and would thus build encryption, signing, and data hiding into the protocol.
Verifying a digital signature requires some sort of public key infrastructure. OpenPGP has a web of trust, but it's not very useful if you've never been to a key signing party outside your home town. When you connect to an IM buddy in another country for the first time, how do you verify that the certificate actually belongs to the buddy and not a government man in the middle without having to fly to key-signing parties to build links to the web of trust in the country where the buddy lives?
walk down to the nearest prison and ask a random sampling of 'criminals'
The so-called "Russian Mafia" consists of organized crime syndicates. You won't find many members of these syndicates in a prison near you because if you did, the crime wasn't organized enough.
All you've done is copy the very same document I linked to way up-thread.
Which is the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Not a "Constitution".
You're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole, Tastecicles. I'm sorry, but you're simply misinformed, and it's time to become silent, listen, and become more knowledgeable.
Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
You cannot wash away blood with blood
Certainly the loss of manufacturing has been a far greater blow to national security than anything else. If we can't build tanks, missiles, airplanes, etc. without relying on other countries, then what do we do if those countries become our enemies? Go back to bows and arrows?
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Oh we will soon enough but not because of loss of manufacturing.
Criminals are already on Facebook... haven't you heard of Zynga? Though, I suppose that you meant criminals communicating to each other as peers, not looking for marks...
Well, of course we all knew that the government is tapping our conversations, but them admitting it so openly still seems callous.
does that mean us intelligence uses icq to lure non-terrorists in, chat them up into a frothy rage, and then tell them they'll help them, thus turning them into terrorists?
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My mistake. Even if the police refuse to get involved, it's easier to find whom to sue in civil court if you access a server behind its own domain than if you access a random member of a DSL pool.
So apparently the US have no problem with the world's No1 terrorist nation running ICQ, but they are concerned with a company from Russia running it ?
Israeli companies run their airports, their security companies, their banking, their telecommunications but god forbid a Russian company owns an IM business that operates in the US?
Moral bankruptcy comes to mind.
Have you noticed that the decision to interfere with the free flow of commerce in the name of national security is a difficult one for our government, yet they find interfering in the rights and way of life of the American people for the same - or any other - reason to be a piece of cake?
Yet people call me a "liberal" for saying that the SCOTUS made corporations super-citizens when they made them de jure living entities complete with the right to free speech...
Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
ICQ hasn't been based in Israel for more than a decade.
Before that, its main "data center" was an office in New York.
Since then, it's been in America Online's data centers spread mostly in the US and several non-US locations, none of which are Israel.
Ubique was founded in Israel. That's about all you can say about Israel and ICQ in the past dozen years or so.
Kriston
Sorry, insulting me when I'm in the right doesn't help your case. He said, "the majority of criminals." Criminals are people who do or have committed crimes. There's only one interpretation of that: the majority of people who do or have committed crimes use ICQ.
Too many people make gross generalizations in the press already. Either speak precisely or STFU.
I piss off bigots.
Quotes from TALMUD:
6. Yebhamoth 11b:"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d:"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17:"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6:"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
15. Aboda Sarah 37a:"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
16. Gad. Shas. 2:2:"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
58. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
68. Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
69. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament
70. Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
71. Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
72. Insults Against Blessed Mary (in Talmud), Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore:"She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
84."It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
85."A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
86."Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
87. Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth:"A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
88. Iore Dea(158,2)Hag.-- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
89. Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
90. Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
91. Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
Small wonder Jews are so afraid of "anti-semitism" and trying to pass laws to circumvent and undermine that of free speech in the United States (Jew-Nited States), because once people get wind of what they think of others, as shown above by their own books? It's no small wonder why they have been kicked nation to nation since time immemorial. Ask yourselves why that much has always occurred for them. The answer is obvious once you read the above. They're a thieving race of scumbags, and everyone knows it all over the world.
Quotes from TALMUD:
6. Yebhamoth 11b:"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d:"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17:"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6:"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
15. Aboda Sarah 37a:"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
16. Gad. Shas. 2:2:"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
58. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
68. Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
69. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament
70. Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
71. Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
72. Insults Against Blessed Mary (in Talmud), Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore:"She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
84."It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
85."A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
86."Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
87. Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth:"A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
88. Iore Dea(158,2)Hag.-- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
89. Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
90. Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
91. Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
Small wonder Jews are so afraid of "anti-semitism" and trying to pass laws to circumvent and undermine that of free speech in the United States (Jew-Nited States), because once people get wind of what they think of others, as shown above by their own books? It's no small wonder why they have been kicked nation to nation since time immemorial. Ask yourselves why that much has always occurred for them. The answer is obvious once you read the above. They're a thieving race of scumbags, and everyone knows it all over the world.
See the JEWS' VIEW of NON-JEWS, via quotes from their own TALMUD on JEWS' views of non-jews (goyim):
6. Yebhamoth 11b:"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d:"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17:"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6:"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
15. Aboda Sarah 37a:"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
16. Gad. Shas. 2:2:"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
58. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
68. Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
69. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament
70. Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
71. Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
72. Insults Against Blessed Mary (in Talmud), Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore:"She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
84."It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
85."A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
86."Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
87. Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth:"A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
88. Iore Dea(158,2)Hag.-- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
89. Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
90. Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
91. Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
Small wonder Jews are so afraid of "anti-semitism" and trying to pass laws to circumvent and undermine that of free speech in the United States (Jew-Nited States, and without the US' military muscle behind the Jews. well, their own relatives (that's right, they are related in antiquity) the arab nations would destroy the jews once & for all I think), because once people get wind of what they think of others, as shown above by their own books? It's no small wonder why they have been kicked nation to nation since time immemorial.
Ask yourselves why that much has always occurred for them. The answer is obvious once you read the above. They're a thieving race of deceitful, thieving, EVIL scumbags (and everyone knows it all over the world).
They're a FUCKING HUMAN VIRUS, & just like a virus? They spread nation to nation, until that nation is sickened & dies from their financial thieveries.
Jews HAVE to do this, because they are not allowed to "prey on their own" which is WHY Jerusalem is so "multi-cultural/multi-racial" - they NEED to have goyim around to prey on and enslave, and they also do the same to other nations as they infest said nations all over th
See the JEWS' VIEW of NON-JEWS, via quotes from their own TALMUD (on JEWS' views of non-jews (goyim)):
6. Yebhamoth 11b:"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d:"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17:"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6:"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
15. Aboda Sarah 37a:"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
16. Gad. Shas. 2:2:"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
58. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
68. Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
69. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament
70. Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
71. Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
72. Insults Against Blessed Mary (in Talmud), Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore:"She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
84."It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
85."A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
86."Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
87. Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth:"A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
88. Iore Dea(158,2)Hag.-- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
89. Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
90. Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
91. Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
Small wonder Jews are so afraid of "anti-semitism" and trying to pass laws to circumvent and undermine that of free speech in the United States (Jew-Nited States, and without the US' military muscle behind the Jews. well, their own relatives (that's right, they are related in antiquity) the arab nations would destroy the jews once & for all I think), because once people get wind of what they think of others, as shown above by their own books? It's no small wonder why they have been kicked nation to nation since time immemorial.
Ask yourselves why that much has always occurred for them. The answer is obvious once you read the above. They're a thieving race of deceitful, thieving, EVIL scumbags (and everyone knows it all over the world).
They're a FUCKING HUMAN VIRUS, & just like a virus does to human bodies? Jews, like viruses, spread nation to nation, until that nation is sickened & dies from their financial thieveries. Then, they enter their "lytic stage" and depart to find "fresh meat" in another nation and peoples, just like viruses!
Jews HAVE to do this, because they are not allowed to "prey on their own" which is WHY Jerusalem is so "multi-cultu
"Explain to me please how any of that is different to Germany, France, Spain or the UK?" by Post-O-Matron (1273882) on Sunday June 27, @08:19AM (#32708274)
I will. First, see subject line above. Second, see jews own views of non-jews/goyim next below straight from their own TALMUD (on JEWS' views of non-jews (goyim)):
6. Yebhamoth 11b:"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d:"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17:"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6:"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L:"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
15. Aboda Sarah 37a:"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
16. Gad. Shas. 2:2:"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
58. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
68. Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
69. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament
70. Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
71. Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
72. Insults Against Blessed Mary (in Talmud), Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore:"She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother,"Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
84."It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
85."A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
86."Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
87. Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth:"A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
88. Iore Dea(158,2)Hag.-- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
89. Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
90. Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
91. Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
Small wonder Jews are so afraid of "anti-semitism" and trying to pass laws to circumvent and undermine that of free speech in the United States (Jew-Nited States, and without the US' military muscle behind the Jews. well, their own relatives (that's right, they are related in antiquity) the arab nations would destroy the jews once & for all I think), because once people get wind of what they think of others, as shown above by their own books? It's no small wonder why they have been kicked nation to nation since time immemorial.
Ask yourselves why that much has always occurred for them. The answer is obvious once you read the above. They're a thieving race of deceitful, thieving, EVIL scumbags (and everyone knows it all over the world).
They're a FUCKING HUMAN VIRUS, & just like a virus does to human bodies? Jews, like viruses, spread nation to nation, until that nation is sickened & dies from their fina