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Plagiarism Inc.

Here's an interesting article on the life and times of 24-year-old Jordan Kavoosi, who has made a business of plagiarism. His Essay Writing Company employs writers from across the country, and will deliver a paper on any subject for $23 per page. In addition, his company will get it done in 48 hours, and he guarantees at least a B grade or your money back. From the article: "'Sure it's unethical, but it's just a business,' Kavoosi explains. 'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'"

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  1. Confession by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I asked Jordan Kavoosi if his business was a scam. If he had failed to pay writers. If his tattoos made him look like a dbag. He sent me a YouTube video response.

    And in case he decides to take down his brilliant acting resumes (complete with sunglasses) like he did with other videos, here are some mirrors. I ... I teared up during his re-enactment of the ending of 300. Frank Miller would be proud.

    Hilarious article though, well done CityPages. I liked the dialogue with the judge and the story of Kavoosi's tattoos at the end. Clear infatuation with himself, I'd avoid.

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    1. Re:Confession by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      If I were in the paper-selling business, I'd go find a large stash of term papers, and crack the security on the site.

      Given that Turd-it-in has had numerous documented security flaws, this would be my site of choice. Ironically, the site that purports to protect the rights of students, has had obvious holes that made it trivial to shop for the paper of your choice, and submit it as your own, and not get caught by the same service.

      Yet school administrators and teachers alike continue to force their students to use that piece of crap.

  2. Huh... by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think I'd call a strip club or porn shop unethical. By some standards immoral for sure.. but what is the ethical violation of a strip club or porn shop?

    The ethical implications of this are pretty direct though. You help someone get credentials which they are not qualified for, they become a civil engineer and end up building a bridge that falls on your head, cause someone wrote the paper on "building bridges that don't fall on people" for them.

    Obviously that's a much oversimplified and unlikely scenario. And ethical concerns aside, I think this is hillarious. This guy has some stones!

    While I'm on my soapbox, I'd like to say I think it's pretty sad that this kind of service is useful. If education was done properly, or specifically if students were evaluated in a meaningful and practical way, this service would be useful to maybe a handful of smart but lazy students.

    1. Re:Huh... by Killer+Orca · · Score: 1

      I don't think I'd call a strip club or porn shop unethical. By some standards immoral for sure.. but what is the ethical violation of a strip club or porn shop?

      This boils down to a what is the difference between morals and ethics question. I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways, you would need to ask them for specifics though.

    2. Re:Huh... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways

      What about the wives of men who go to the strip club along with their husbands?

    3. Re:Huh... by Tekfactory · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Plagarism guy needs to make a joint venture with those people who you pay to be good references, with answering services and everything.

      Then you go to work for one of those Chinese companies that pays you just to show up and look like a foreigner to show how International they are.

    4. Re:Huh... by snarkh · · Score: 1

      The distinction between ethic and moral is not clear-cut at all.

      ethics /ks/ Show Spelled[eth-iks] Show IPA
      -plural noun
      1.
      ( used with a singular or plural verb ) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
      2.
      the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
      3.
      moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
      4.
      ( usually used with a singular verb ) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethics

    5. Re:Huh... by mangu · · Score: 1

      You help someone get credentials which they are not qualified for, they become a civil engineer and end up building a bridge that falls on your head, cause someone wrote the paper on "building bridges that don't fall on people" for them.

      Usually courses like that have more stringent tests than just presenting papers written at home.

      I think this is more directed at "liberal arts" students, people whose future jobs will be in sales and marketing, if they can ever get anything better than flipping burgers.

    6. Re:Huh... by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      Or go by themselves. :-)

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    7. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make them answer specific questions about the theme of their work and they'll for sure fail most of them, after that expel them from the university.

    8. Re:Huh... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      And there are vetting apps to watch submissions for various plaigarism. The sword cuts both ways.

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    9. Re:Huh... by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Men who have both husbands and wives and leave their wives behind when they take their husbands to the stripclubs are the worst sort of immoral douchebags in the world.

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      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
    10. Re:Huh... by digitig · · Score: 1

      As somebody who is a "liberal arts" major and an engineering major, I figure that a service like this would be more use to the engineering students. I know that the college that awarded me my liberal arts degree (Humanities with English Language) and one of my engineering degrees uses software to check for consistent writing style, and any attempt to use that service on my Humanities degree would have rung alarm bells all over the place. On my engineering degrees, though, essay questions were rare enough that they probably wouldn't have enough sample of somebody's writing style to build a robust case against them if they used this service, and the remaining assignments were pages of calculations which don't seem to carry as clear a stylistic "fingerprint" as essays.

      By the way, as well as sales and marketing, I think you'll find quite a few of those liberal arts majors end up in government. Wouldn't it be nice if one could be sure that all of one's MPs, Senators, Congressmen, whatever, were at least competent in their specialist fields? Looking around, I can't help wondering whether the idea of people paying others to do their coursework might have been around for a little longer than Jordan Kavoosi's company.

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    11. Re:Huh... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because it's not like science majors ever cheat or have to write research papers. Sure once you start getting towards masters and doctoral level work you can't generally get a way with it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen anyways.

    12. Re:Huh... by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Can someone please tell me the difference between morality and ethics? The OED definition of ethical is "morally correct" (OK it can mean a precription drug as well, but that is clearly not what we mean in this content).

      The real moral problem I can see here is that someone argues that it is legal, therefore it is OK even though it is inethical - i.e. do anything you can get away with and stuff the ethics of it.

    13. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be the *men* in question, who went to strip clubs without their wives who would maybe be in the wrong, depending on what kind of strip club it is. The strip clubs themselves however are innocent and what the patron's wives feel doesn't really come into it.

    14. Re:Huh... by cfulton · · Score: 1

      Here here. Just because you don't agree with the morality of another persons action does not make it unethical or illegal. It is unethical for students to present others work as there own. Just ask any teacher.

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    15. Re:Huh... by fermion · · Score: 1
      I would lay the unethical implications on the school more than the business. The purpose of writing essays or doing any of homework is to develop the skills taught in the class. No home work or interimim pracitce work should be worth major amounts of point as there is no way to know how did it. For instance, when I was in school many of us would only do a couple problems then copy off everything else. It didn't matter as we learned the methods.

      As we promote college as a way to make more money rather than a way to have a better more well rounded life, we shoudl expect people to treat it as a business rather than an opportunity to learn. The question is how do we counteract that force so that college is stil relevant? It simply requires requiring colleges to be ethical and maintain high standards. I can tell you this is hard. One gets a student with a high SAT score, and that student fails, parents will blame the instructor. It is not the indstructor fault the student copied or bought papers and didn't learn anything. It is the parents fault for not instilling ethical values. But if the instructor is blamed, and not allowed to run an ethical class, then bussineses like this will flourish.

      If the professor is allowed to run an ethical class then making these companies irrelevant is simple. Mid term and final count 75% of the grade. Done in class, writing done in blue books. Subject of writing is not given prior to the test, or five to ten topics are provided for study, but randomly given to students. Tests are graded very harshly. In the case of writing, graded at the level of a student that has practiced writting one or two essays a week. If the strudents complain, copies of essays have been kept and if a student complains it should be clear that the style does not match.

      This is hard to implement, especially when administration wants instructors to do everything to help a student pass, and instructors are blamed for killing a students GPA. But if a instructor is not allowed to teach an ethical class, we can hardly blame the firms that take advantage of it.

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    16. Re:Huh... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways

      I don't think your analogy is correct. Businesses that specifically target married or otherwise attached people are comparable, but strip clubs aren't. If this were a general research service that people could abuse to get homework done that would be comparable to a stripclub that some men go to and cheat on their significant others.

    17. Re:Huh... by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      I would say that ethics is a system for accomplishing something specific without causing any problems or complications for you or others, eg, having business ethics is what makes a businessman not screw people over, cause environmental disasters, etc, and medical ethics is similar for the medical profession--confidentiality, be thorough, hippocratic oath, etc.

      Morality would be a system that is supposed to* prevent problems and complications no matter where you apply it; don't murder, love thy neighbor, contract law, etc.

      (* Success rate may be implementation-specific. Your mileage will vary.)

      Unauthorized access to strip clubs and porn might be against marriage ethics (depending on what sort of prior commitments you already have with your partner) and the shops in general may be against your religious ethics, which for many people is the equivalent of morality.**

      (** It's not, though. The idea that you may be sent to hell for doing something against your religion does not make it evil, nor does being sent to heaven make something right; you can only say that you will be punished for the one and rewarded for the other.)

    18. Re:Huh... by treeves · · Score: 1

      True, but those would apparently not work with this service, since an original essay is being written on demand, assuming that the company is not plagiarizing existing work and then selling it. That would be rich.

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    19. Re:Huh... by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      if students were evaluated in a meaningful and practical way, this service would be useful to maybe a handful of smart but lazy students.

      Okay, smart guy, now you're on the hook. What's your concrete proposal for evaluating students in, say, an English class in a "meaningful and practical way" that is impervious to ghostwriting and plagiarism?

      As a college professor who tries to come up with unplagiarizeable assignments on a daily basis, I can tell you that this is easier said than done.

    20. Re:Huh... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      You presume that the spontaneously written essay isn't going to be shortcut with serious paste jobs.

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    21. Re:Huh... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I agree in part, obviously its more nuanced than that. Some men are allowed to go to strip clubs on their own... some are even allowed to date outside of their marriage, for others, even acknowledging another womans existence is a violation.

      The point is tho, its the other commitment that makes it a violation and not the act in and of itself.

      Just as an author who hires a ghost writer is not considered to be doing anything wrong, the student who does the same is... because he has an agreement with the school to turn in the work that he did himself for credit.

      Back to strip clubs... I think you are mainly right because, they have no real way to filter any of these cases, a man walking in could be single, married, in a closed relationship, in an open one, etc.

      On the other hand, the essay writer is specifically trying to help someone defraud another party.

      -Steve

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    22. Re:Huh... by treeves · · Score: 1

      I covered that possibility in my comment, but you are right that the plagiarism-detection service will work just fine if that turns out to be the case.

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    23. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, since the only credentials this is useful for are worthless and are bought anyway, this guy is just helping people buy the doctorate in art history that they've always wanted

    24. Re:Huh... by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I'd guess English is probably the harder of the subjects to achieve this. I was really thinking more technical/engineering where you can grade students by making them do.. technical stuff and engineering stuff.

      However my thought would be to make assignments mostly worthless from a marking perspective.. and put most of the emphasis on exams where the subject is not known before hand.

      In this kind of structure.. the assignments are more a means for students to learn and for teachers to evaluate progress. A student could buy all his papers throughout the year.. only to completely fail the exams (and thus the course). Previously passed in assignments could even be compared against the exam answers as a way of showing that the student clearly didn't write them (and in an ideal world, this would get the teacher off the hook when explaining why a student who passed every assignment throughout the year just completely failed the class).

    25. Re:Huh... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Looks like you just copied a definition from a dictionary without understanding the question. No Points.

      Morals are basic principles of right and wrong-- "it is wrong to kill", "it is right to show compassion" and so on.

      Ethics are methods of reasoning about those morals. "If it is wrong to kill, what actions should I take in order to live my life according to this principle?" "Is it possible to apply this moral principle in a consistent manner, and if not, how should my moral precepts change to allow for living a consistently good life?"

      See, for example Kantian ethics

    26. Re:Huh... by lundstrj · · Score: 1

      One of my professors used the same argument for failing me once. Sure, he suggested that any rockets I'd build, with the goal of reaching Mars, more likely would end up on the moon. I suggested that building a rocket that makes it all the way to the moon is a pretty neat trick regardless. He was not impressed.

    27. Re:Huh... by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      and put most of the [grading] emphasis on exams where the subject is not known before hand.

      I'll tell you from first-hand experience that students, even honest ones, HATE it when you do this. Well "tough titties", right? But even worse, many honest students do well in a normal assignment setting, but if you put them in an exam situation, they freak out and do very poorly. Exam anxiety is a very real problem, and grading by exams alone is unfair to these students.

    28. Re:Huh... by Surt · · Score: 1

      The conventional difference is between morals, and systems of ethics, since ethics are allowed to mean morals in the most general sense. A system of ethics is typically codified. A doctor, or lawyer, or in this case a student subscribes to a particular ethical code, and there are even specific legal consequences if they fail to do so (for the doctor or lawyer, and there are institutional consequences for the student).

      In this specific case, the students are undoubtedly violating a student ethics code (as nearly every college and university in the world has one which would forbid turning in the work of another as your own, and requires you to sign it when you join).

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      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
    29. Re:Huh... by degenerativephrenolo · · Score: 1

      If education was done properly, or specifically if students were evaluated in a meaningful and practical way, this service would be useful to maybe a handful of smart but lazy students.

      Actually, education is "done" by the people being educated. If you feel it isn't being done right, look to yourself.

    30. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MY Wife says it's ok for me to go to a strip club, just no happy endings :-(

    31. Re:Huh... by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Well.. it doesn't have to be one big exam at the end of the year I guess, it could be several smaller ones. I do understand your point though, and like I said, I totally accept that English and several other subjects are hard to grade in an on the spot "you have to do it right now" kinda way.

      I would argue however that the solution to exam anxiety isn't to devalue exams. I know I'm once again drifting into idealism, but the same people who have anxiety before an exam are probably also going to have anxiety in a job interview. Being able to keep it together under stress is a pretty damn important skill in the real world, and I think the more practice the better.

      I've long said that the whole self esteem "every child is special" nurturing learning environment movement is doing a lot more bad than good.

      I'm waiting for the "cold hard reality of life" movement to come into play. I like to think I've found success and happiness in life because I set realistic expectations based on realistic feedback about my capabilities and had to fight with the usual stresses and social situations of being a fairly hard core geek.

      Geeks in school today come out on a self esteem high thinking they'll be running the next google, quickly realize that every school has it's programming prodigy, and end up working a phone in a call center (no offence intended to call center workers).

      Wow.. that got way off track..

    32. Re:Huh... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      If the wives FEEL it is wrong, then it is a moral, not an ethical, question. They don't get to "feel" what is or is not an ethical issue.

    33. Re:Huh... by snarkh · · Score: 1

      The distinction you are making is correct and, in fact, is reflected in the dictionary definition.
      However, I do not understand how you draw a line between what is ethical and what is moral based on that.
      If ethic is a theory about morals, how can something immoral be ethical?

    34. Re:Huh... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      There is definitely more to it than that. Ethics also entails a practical application of moral principles. As such, ethics deals with the real world, laws and regulations. Morals, per se, do not.

    35. Re:Huh... by Z8 · · Score: 1

      While I'm on my soapbox, I'd like to say I think it's pretty sad that this kind of service is useful. If education was done properly, or specifically if students were evaluated in a meaningful and practical way, this service would be useful to maybe a handful of smart but lazy students.

      I think plenty of good classes can be hurt by this service. For instance, suppose a student gets assigned to write an essay on <important work>. This essay might be open-ended (to allow the student to be creative) and a take-home assignment (for smart students who aren't necessarily the best under pressure or who can't physically write fast). I don't see why this is education done improperly or how this kind of assignment isn't meaningful. If it's impractical it may be impractical just because of services like this.

    36. Re:Huh... by Z8 · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: Years ago before getting papers on the internet was pervasive, I was once a TA. One of my students was struggling with coming up with a good paper topic, but in the end she turned in a great paper. When I complimented her on it, she seemed oddly evasive. A few years later I realized she had probably cheated.

    37. Re:Huh... by Surt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I thought the practical / real world aspect was made clear by the codification.

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    38. Re:Huh... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Can someone please tell me the difference between morality and ethics?

      Morality is an implicitly understood set of acceptable behaviors, ideals or principles. Ethics are codified rules that attempt to fulfill a given morality. In a sense, the difference is similar to the difference between justice and law.

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    39. Re:Huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because once you have a theory to explain how to apply principles, you can make judgement calls like "Murdering X people for their kidneys will save X*2 people's lives, therefore we should murder these people" that could be ethically consistent within your theory yet would still be morally repugnant in the general case of one of those X.

    40. Re:Huh... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      It may not be ethical to impose one's moral beliefs on another person, or it might be ethical to choose the lesser of two evils. In some circumstances, moral beliefs can be altered, or discarded by new experiences.

    41. Re:Huh... by snarkh · · Score: 1

      Very good, so ethics guides application of morality.

      So would you agree that something is moral/immoral is (respectively) ethical/unethical,
      however something which may be not be directly moral/immoral (e.g. imposing your beliefs, etc) can still be ethical/unethical? Thus moral actions is a subset of ethical actions?

    42. Re:Huh... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Case in point--Adolf Eichmann. Substituting Adolf Hitler's will for the moral imperative was a mistake anyone could have made...

    43. Re:Huh... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Well, I think we're on the same channel. I just wanted to make clear that the codification is not based only on moral principles, but has to take practicality into account.

    44. Re:Huh... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I don't think I'd call a strip club or porn shop unethical. By some standards immoral for sure.. but what is the ethical violation of a strip club or porn shop?

      It's only unethical if you're only there to browse.

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  3. Ethical ? by alexandre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain when CEO argue like 6 years old ...

    1. Re:Ethical ? by Blenster · · Score: 1

      Agreed. How are those examples "unethical" in the sens that cheating on school work is? Both seem rather more honest, in my opinion.

    2. Re:Ethical ? by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain

      Quick, buy drain stocks!

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    3. Re:Ethical ? by vxice · · Score: 1

      So the argument was pretty bad, he should have argued "ethics are poorly defined and in most cases are defined in a reactionary manner to absolve yourself of guilt by redefining ethics to fit what you are doing as ethical and what you hate as unethical. How is writing a paper a crime? So the crime is in how the paper is intended to be used, I can't ethically be accused of claiming work that is provided is claimed to mine but not because the student is committing that crime. So for a homework assignment I ask you to turn in a 5 page report detailing how what I am doing is unethical." Although I wouldn't trust him to write that paper because he clearly is not good at philosophical topics.

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    4. Re:Ethical ? by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      Good thing CEOs do not do the work. He will have an employee write the paper.

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    5. Re:Ethical ? by mangu · · Score: 1

      And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain when CEO argue like 6 years old

      Perhaps it was somebody else who wrote his argument for him. Does he have a six-years-old employee?

    6. Re:Ethical ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The phrase "It's just business" will be the downfall of civilization. I hear it used as if it is some sort of moral and ethical get out of jail free card.

  4. Plagarism, Inc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's an interesting article on the life and times of 24-year-old Jordan Kavoosi who has made a business of plagiarism. His Essay Writing Company employs writers from across the country, and will deliver a paper on any subject for $23 per page. In addition, his company will get it done in 48 hours, and he guarantees at least a "B" grade or your money back. From the article: "'Sure it's unethical, but it's just a business,' Kavoosi explains. 'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'"

  5. Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if they can write 5 point comments for me?

  6. It would seem by teflaime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that given Mr. Kavoosi's lack of basic vocabulary knowledge, it's a good thing that he hires other people to write the papers he sells. Someone one who doesn't know what the word 'ethical' actually means would probably have a hard time writing papers that use other large words. Unless, perhaps, they were writing papers for business classes...

    1. Re:It would seem by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Why do you think Mr. Kavoosi even wrote anything that's signed in his name? Cheaper to just have his writers do it.

    2. Re:It would seem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone one who doesn't know what the word 'ethical' actually means

      Someone like you? Ethical, like most English words dealing with abstract concepts, has a whole range of meanings including "morally correct".

  7. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by Tekfactory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the comment could be worth 5 points, but at 48 hours turnaround time, you'd never get past a +2 informative even over a long weekend.

  8. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by MoriT · · Score: 1

    If you don't specify, though, they write a 5 Funny comment.

  9. Unethical is not the word by taustin · · Score: 1

    While strip clubs might well be unethical, from at least some points of view, the word for this is dishonest.

    It's no surprise he conflates the two.

    1. Re:Unethical is not the word by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      While strip clubs might well be unethical, from at least some points of view, the word for this is dishonest.

      Strips clubs are worse than this guy. I met a nice girl there, and she said she liked me... I spent all my money on gifts for her and then it turns out she never really did like me. She broke my heart.

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    2. Re:Unethical is not the word by arekusu_ou · · Score: 1

      Ok, strip clubs are not even in contention of being 'unethical'. They are in contention of being 'immoral'. Morality is narrowly construed precepts of right and wrong based on smaller groups while ethics delve in broad ranges.

      I hardly see what he is doing as dishonest either. He "honestly" provides a ghostwriting service and backs up it's quality. The people who are dishonest is the students paying for the service to pass the work off as their own.

      That's like saying arms-dealers are dishonest, for the only fact that people use those weapons to kill. (They can be dishonest, but for other reasons).

      Also you don't have to be good or educated in the business to be a good businessman. Personal quality check goes out the window in that case.

    3. Re:Unethical is not the word by dnahelicase · · Score: 1

      Is it though? His company is not actually being dishonest. They write a paper, but the student is the one that turns it in. He is simply enabling dishonesty is a more convenient way that used to be possible. You used to have to bum off of classmates or bully someone smarter than you to do it. Now you just simply pay a stranger.

    4. Re:Unethical is not the word by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I think he's being dishonest in saying that he'll pay his writers and then chooses to not pay them, employing a variety of bogus excuses. It's all in the article.

    5. Re:Unethical is not the word by arekusu_ou · · Score: 1

      Granted, if the unsubstantiated complaints from former employees are true, then he was dishonest about it. The article writes him out to be a con artist.

      The business practice of ghostwriting papers that could be then used for unethical purposes, which is what he compared to strip clubs, is not being dishonest. He didn't compare himself to strip club owners, who can probably be as sleazy as him.

      If the other evidence of him falsifying facts is true, he sounds like a real con artist.

    6. Re:Unethical is not the word by taustin · · Score: 1

      He is intetionally helping people to commit what looks to me like actionable civil fraud. That's dishonest. Not necessarily illegal, perhaps, but certainly dishonest.

  10. Unethical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought strip clubs were considered "immoral", not "unethical", no?

    Sounds like this guy should look up the difference between ethics and morals.

  11. What plagiarism? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Academic fraud, yes. Unethical, yes. But where's the plagiarism? As far as I can tell the papers are original.

    > what about stripclubs or porn shops? Those are unethical...

    Not by my ethics.

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    1. Re:What plagiarism? by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > But where's the plagiarism? As far as I can tell the papers are original.

      Yes, original papers...that people are then buying and passing off as their own work.

    2. Re:What plagiarism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A possible solution:
      Call yourself a small business. Hire the company as a private contractor. Now the small business owns a paper without plagiarism. Of course, if I remember some of my professor's syllabi, there was a clause that disallowed this.

    3. Re:What plagiarism? by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it's not copyright abuse, given that these papers are created as works-for-hire, with the express intent that they be plagiarized...

    4. Re:What plagiarism? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      work for hire, they transfer the copyright when you buy them. So not your own work but you do get to own the paper. HOw is this different than EMI/WMG?

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    5. Re:What plagiarism? by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

      Yes, original papers...that people are then buying and passing off as their own work.

      But if the author of that paper says I have the right to do so, do I not have the right? In fact, I actually have written the paper, I just used a remote typewriter controlled by a proxy instead of an actual pencil. My actions directly caused the paper to be written, hence I can attribute ownership to myself. It's the same as if I threw paint on a turntable, which flung it onto the wall, and it happened to spell out some words. I wrote those words, even though the turntable is the one who actually delivered the ink to the medium. And I can copyright those words, because I wrote them, hence I own them, hence no plagiarism.

    6. Re:What plagiarism? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Ownership and authorship are two different things. Passing off work that somebody else wrote as work that you wrote, even if you own that work, is wholly dishonest at best, and at worst creates situations where people who should not be qualified to be in a particular situation are making decisions on account of their dishonestly claimed academic excellence that affect the safety and lives of other people.

    7. Re:What plagiarism? by bkpark · · Score: 1

      They don't claim their CEOs wrote and sang the songs.

      This is as unethical (or ethical) as ghostwriting, where the issue isn't one of legal copyrights but one of moral rights. The only difference is, I guess, for celebrities and politicians, we expect them to use ghostwriters—we do not yet expect students (who should be learning to write) to use ghostwriters.

    8. Re:What plagiarism? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Yes it is dishonest, but it isn't plagiarism when, as in this case, you have the author's permission to pass it off as your work.

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    9. Re:What plagiarism? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      No... plagiarism is when one claims authorship for a work they did not create, period. It is simply a very specific form of lying and whether or not the actual author gives permission to do so doesn't change the fact that this is still exactly what it is. There's just no actual law against it (if there were, ghost writing would not be legally permitted).

  12. Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gmezero · · Score: 2, Informative

    This sounds like a ghost writing service more than plagiarism. Plagiarism is where you steal someone elses work and take credit for it. Highering someone else to write your academic paper is unethical yes, but plagiarism? If it's an original work... no. It is not plagiarism.

    1. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Tekfactory · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well the claim its your own work, when its the work of somewone else is where its plagarism.

      If you're desperate enough to use a service like this, how likely are you to know or care if your work for hire ghost writer is copying from some other PHD candidate's paper that he sold after he graduated?

    2. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's an original work , yes. However it's not your work and you are signing your name to it. Therefore it is a form of plagiarism. Even if the other author gave you the rights to publish it . You can't claim it as your own.

    3. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really clean on what ghost writing means are you.

    4. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highering someone else to write your academic paper is unethical yes, but plagiarism?

      Hiring someone to fix your spelling would be entirely ethical.

    5. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To claim someone else's work as your own, that you paid to commission, is not plagiarism... as the GP said, its Ghostwriting.

      Does a company plagiarize your work by claiming ownership when you leave the company? No, that work was commissioned for them, and it is now their work. They are not the author, but they are the owner.

    6. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not plagiarizing if you have permission, which having purchased the paper, you have.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing

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    7. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by ktappe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To claim someone else's work as your own, that you paid to commission, is not plagiarism... as the GP said, its Ghostwriting.

      Does a company plagiarize your work by claiming ownership when you leave the company? No, that work was commissioned for them, and it is now their work. They are not the author, but they are the owner.

      And just as the post to which you replied said, how do you know these el-cheapo papers are not being plagiarized by the ghostwriters from whom you're purchasing them? It seems very likely they are given the sleaziness of the owner, and considering the price so low and time-turnaround so short, it seems unlikely that that much research could or would actually be performed.

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    8. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's plagiarism, you're claiming that you wrote the work when you didn't. Most companies don't claim to have written the materials, they only claim to own it by virtue of paying for it. This isn't a matter of ghost writing, this is a matter of paying somebody to write something that you can then pass of as your own to pass a class.

      Any guesses what's going to happen to any student that gets caught doing it? Well, there'll be words thrown around like scholastic dishonesty, cheating and expulsion.

    9. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Maybe it could be considered both ghost-written and plagiarized.

      Like all those "... as told to" auto-biographies, which don't deserve the title "autobiography", but rather "authorized biography".

      And for those wondering where the site is: http://payforessay.com/

    10. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      It is not what we usually mean by plaigarism, because the author is compensated, and agrees to, the deceptive attribution. What it is, is simply cheating.

    11. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gmezero · · Score: 1

      "A ghostwriter is a professional writer who is paid to write books, articles, stories, reports, or other texts that are officially credited to another person."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostwriter

    12. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by misexistentialist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All unattributed writing counts as "plagiarism," even if you are reusing something you wrote.

    13. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. If you paid somebody to render a service or good unto to you, and, unbeknownst to you, they did it in an underhanded way, would you be guilty of the actions they took to get you your deliverables? If you paid somebody to ghostwrite for you, and they plagiarized to get you your paper, did you commit plagiarism? Nope. That's like saying buying an item from a pawn shop, in good faith, that turns out to be stolen merchandise makes you a thief. If you were acting in bad faith, the situation would be different. But to go out and say that it's all plagiarism is most likely an incorrect assumption.

    14. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Yeah... when you think about it, the student is just outsourcing their work to someone else. Most larger business do this now, so I can't blame today's students for not thinking that it's a big moral issue.

      Hell... if this was an MBA course and I caught one my students doing this, I'd be half tempted to give him bonus points for proper application of modern business principles :)

    15. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Because schools have plagiarism checkers that will find it.

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    16. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To claim someone else's work as your own, that you paid to commission, is not plagiarism... as the GP said, its Ghostwriting.

      Ghostwriting it may be, but unethical it definitely is.

      As an academic, I've had numerous cases over the years where a student submits work that he did not write. Just because he may have legally engaged a "ghostwriter" to provide this work does not mean I won't flunk him just the same, and in some cases, see to his expulsion.

      When a celebrity, say Sarah Palin, writes a book, everyone just assumes that it's a ghostwriter actually constructing the sentences. Nobody who buys such a book is going to be outraged because it's actually the work of a ghostwriter, because the entire enterprise is more of a cultural badge than a meaningful bit of literature.

      If a student submits a paper however, there is the solemn contract between him and the institution that the work presented is his and his alone. It's all over the student handbook and the institution's rules. When you try to play fast and loose with that, you've crossed a line and should be punished. Of course, in many cases it's impossible for a professor to determine whether the student that he's seen a handful of times, out of a class of a hundred or more, was actually capable of writing what he submitted. Since part of my expertise is in the analysis of literary styles, I could usually accurately determine whether someone has written a submitted work, as long as I've exchanged at least a few sentences with him in the course of a semester. Over 20 years, there was only one circumstance where I had an incorrect initial opinion about a student's work, and in that case a brief meeting with the unusually quiet, shy student confirmed that he indeed was the author of the wildly expressive roman candle of a paper he submitted. He got off the hook, got an "A" and ended up as my advisee when he got his well-deserved PhD. Today he writes a most impressive and successful political/cultural blog (Hi Roy!) but really ought to be writing fiction because the motherfucker's a pistol. Now that I've retired from academia, he is one of the students of whom I am most proud.

      In closing, let me just say this to anyone thinking about buying a paper online: It's totally lame, so write your own goddamn paper. You're a student dickwad, so you really don't have anything better to do, and if you think your Economics paper is more important than the paper for my class, which you are only taking to satisfy some Humanities requirement, so it's OK to let some bogus bullshit through to me since you don't plan to ever care about literature or composition once you are trading derivatives, I can assure you that you will be found out and that your parents are going to kick your ass when they learn you were thrown out of school for being a douchebag, and your plans for being one of the gods of finance will be shredded into little tiny pieces. And yes, you'll still have to pay off those student loans.

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    17. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, the definition you provided agrees that, yes, it is plagiarism. Plagiarism is taking credit for you when you didn't do it. It has nothing to do with ownership, i.e., copyright. Sure, it's a work for hire and you own the copyright, but it's plagiarism because you're not crediting who did it.

    18. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not plagiarizing if you have permission, which having purchased the paper, you have.

      Plagiarism is about citing your work, not about copyright or permission.

      If you use someone else's work without citing it, you have plagiarized.

      How is it that people don't know WTF plagiarism is?

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    19. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by rah1420 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was going to mod this but decided instead to comment. I faced a similar situation in my freshman year in college. My English professor's only comment for my final paper was "This paper gets an 'A' if you answer my verbal question correctly, and an 'F' if you do not." Needless to say, I did answer the question correctly and in the process learned a valuable lesson about how I should attribute sources more completely in my subsequent papers. (Thanks, Mrs. G!)

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    20. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Xaedalus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I take it you've had some run-ins with business degree students then?

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    21. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Because they don't rely on knowing, they look up the definitions of things?

      It's clearly, clearly, not citation. Otherwise, ghostwriting would be plagiarism, and no one (conventional) thinks that is the case.

      Plagiarism is use of someone else's work without citation OR permission. The OR clause is absolutely essential to the definition.

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    22. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      No, it does not. Read the FIRST TWO WORDS:
      to steal

      It isn't theft if you paid.

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    23. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      That's a different scenario from the actual offered service, and clearly, the staff of this enterprise might be guilty of plagiarism, but to claim that your contribution amounts to the same is stretching the definition severely.

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    24. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing moral involved. It's an ethical violation only (because nearly every school has a signed code of ethics prohibiting this).
      Could be moral if you believe that violation of a signed agreement is immoral, I suppose.

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    25. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by IICV · · Score: 1

      Today he writes a most impressive and successful political/cultural blog (Hi Roy!) but really ought to be writing fiction because the motherfucker's a pistol.

      All that and no link? Geez.

    26. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > not plagiarism... as the
      > GP said, its Ghostwriting.

      Yeah? You just try telling that to the Academic Dean.

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    27. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by shimage · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree with your sentiment, but not your conclusion. As a TA, I caught no less than 10% of my students literally copying text off of the internet and pasting it into their essays. None of them were punished in the least. The lesson I learned from the experience is that if you don't have any pull in the department, you let cheating slide because it is not worth the hassle. And this wasn't at some no-name school, either. It's one of the top research universities on the west coast.

    28. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Well the claim its your own work, when its the work of somewone else is where its plagarism.

      Sorry, the Work for Hire principle trumps your ethical principles. If you pay someone for the copyright of their work then the work belongs to you in its entireity just as thought you had written it yourself. Plagiarism does not apply--at least legally.

      Academic fraud perhaps. But this isn't plagiarism by a long shot.

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    29. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Intron · · Score: 1

      It isn't theft if you didn't pay for it either, unless the author had a single copy which you broke into his house and took.

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    30. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      I don't care how many copies he had, if you took one from him without permission it was stealing.

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    31. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      If the "author" of a ghostwritten work attempts to submit the work for academic credit, it is misrepresentation and desrving of academic rejection.

    32. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Academic fraud perhaps. But this isn't plagiarism by a long shot.

      That depends on how you define plagiarism. Most academic institutions use a modified definition. Any of my professors would have called this plagiarism even though it doesn't conform to the traditional literary standard.

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    33. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by largesnike · · Score: 1

      in Australia, it's called academic misconduct, and would usually result in automatic failure in the subject for that year, but can be taken all the way to expulsion from the institution.

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    34. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The lesson I learned from the experience is that if you don't have any pull in the department, you let cheating slide because it is not worth the hassle.

      You're absolutely right. TA's are a very put-upon class of people, though absolutely vital to any university. The way they're treated, and the expectations put upon them are inhuman.

      Only someone who has tenure, or a reasonable expectation of tenure, should try to enforce plagiarism policies. You can report, but you must not enforce - not by yourself.

      If the professor is worth anything, he'll listen to his TAs and go to the wall for them if need be. Plagiarism is that serious of an issue. If degrees start to become devalued because of fraud, then all degrees mean less. That applies to Department Chairs and Deans as well as TAs and post-docs.

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    35. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      All unattributed writing counts as "plagiarism," ...

      To be clear, it is plagiarism according to the current academic standard. It isn't plagiarism according to traditional definition. I'm siding with you on this one, but we do need to be clear that we're picking and choosing our definitions based on context.

      ... even if you are reusing something you wrote.

      No, no, no, no, no. Plagiarism is taking someone else's work, and claiming it as your own (without citation). In fact, you can commit plagiarism without using a direct quote. If you convey a thought or idea (beyond common knowledge) without proper attribution, it may be considered plagiarism.

      Reusing your own words is not plagiarism. It might make your teacher very unhappy with you. It could conceivably cause you to receive a failing grade. (Teachers can be touchy that they're making students grow through giving them work to do. They can get quite upset when you try to circumvent that.) The fact remains that the words and thoughts are yours, and therefore, not plagiarized.

      Could you imagine, in a professional capacity, needing to remember the very first time your words and ideas were published? There is no reason you cannot cite yourself, but neither is there a need. (In general cases. Exceptions might include when you are paid for a work, or participated in a group, etc.)

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    36. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing moral involved. It's an ethical violation only...

      I beg to differ. It is certainly an ethical violation. It is a moral violation depending on the code of morality that a person chooses to live by. Most religious moral codes would definitely consider this a violation.

      I suggest the following metric: "Does / would X make me feel guilty?" "Should X make me feel guilty?" "Why? / Why not?"

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    37. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any guesses what's going to happen to any student that gets caught doing it? Well, there'll be words thrown around like scholastic dishonesty, cheating and expulsion.

      I wish. I'm a doctoral student at a "large southwestern public university" in Tucson, AZ and have run into a number of instances in which my students have plagiarized papers, including buying them online. While I always report them to the Dean of Students, they've never received more than a slap on the wrist--at most failing the course.

    38. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by shimage · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, I went to the lecturer. Unfortunately, in my case the lecturer was just a post-doc, who also had no pull. We did go to the chair about it, but he wasn't very excited to have to deal with that sort of thing. He was the cynical sort of professor, which I think had something to do with it.

    39. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by chameleon3 · · Score: 1

      First off, great post.

      Secondly, I wonder what the CEO's thoughts are on services like Turnitin?

      How much you wanna bet he thinks they're unethical, too?

    40. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that's in complete agreement with what I wrote.

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    41. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Absolutely true. It's just that the violation in question is typically of the 'submit only your own work' ethics code, and not an instance of the very specific issue 'plagiarism'.

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    42. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by schon · · Score: 1

      All unattributed writing counts as "plagiarism," even if you are reusing something you wrote.

      [citation needed]

    43. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Well, I think after a couple of months of successful business they would have at least skeleton papers on most common subjects. All you need is to rewrite that skeleton which is about an hour work for a decent sized paper.

      You might remember a couple of years ago that there were a bunch of news stories about schools submitting papers to an online service to check for plagiarism (and students subsequently suing for copyright) so I doubt they would just be selling copies of pre-written essays. They might even use the same service to check their papers against it so they can guarantee a certain level of service.

      This is a service for simple high school and college papers. I doubt they are up to par to be doing your PhD thesis.

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    44. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between academic writing and commercial writing. Articles and books written for commercial purposes by someone other than who it is credited to is acceptable. Academic work is another matter. It is assumed the person who creates these works did the research and the writing. Especially so when the work is for school. You are in classes to learn. The teacher gives you exercises, including papers, for you to do the work so that you learn. This is why, in all cases in academicia when one takes another's work, no matter how it is taken, it is plagiarism. To think otherwise is to deceive yourself, never mind others.

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    45. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      It's clearly, clearly, not citation.
      Plagiarism is use of someone else's work without citation OR permission. The OR clause is absolutely essential to the definition.

      You sir, are grievously misinformed.
      Not even the definition you linked supports your claim that plagiarism has anything to do with permission.
      Further, I challenge you to find any formal definition that supports your claim.

      Ontop of all that, I've personally never asked permission to cite something in a paper or report.
      And the only time I've ever seen anyone ask for permission was in the context of citing an e-mail conversation they had with an expert.

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    46. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Did you, at least, give them zero for their essays? This way, you'd, at least, not have to mark their papers.

    47. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Baricom · · Score: 1

      It's not a work for hire. The company is being hired on an independent contractor basis, and essays don't fall under any of the classes of work that can be covered under work for hire.

      Even if they did, a work for hire in a non-employee relationship requires a signed agreement by both parties, and I doubt a company like this would go to any effort to relinquish their copyright.

    48. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree with your sentiment, but not your conclusion. As a TA, I caught no less than 10% of my students literally copying text off of the internet and pasting it into their essays. None of them were punished in the least. The lesson I learned from the experience is that if you don't have any pull in the department, you let cheating slide because it is not worth the hassle. And this wasn't at some no-name school, either. It's one of the top research universities on the west coast.

      As a TA I simply fail the students if I catch them. They can then take it up with the department, and the department then can take it up with me (where they _will_ meet staunch resistance).
      Just slap a big F on there. If someone complains (nobody will, because nobody wants to invest his time into teaching), just tell them that it was plagiarism and your scientific ethics compel you to take action. And that you leave further actions up to them (there will be none, because nobody wants to invest...).
      Works for me...

    49. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Just to add to this- I didn't have any trouble with this in my course (in fact it was encouraged for some classes) but some professors have a barbed metal rod up their asses about students re-using their own work in multiple assignments and consider even that plagarism.(despite it makeing so sense as per the definition of plagarism)

    50. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      It's because academics use the term "plagarism" improperly.

      Fruadulently claiming work as your own?
      sure.

      Dishonesty?
      Absolutely.

      plagarism?
      Only if you've failed to get permission to use it from the origional author.

      Hell some academics will call it plagarims if you re-use your own work in 2 assignments without citation which is clearly not plagarism.

      It may violate some academic rule of thumb by the standards of those with unusualy sharp and spiky rods lodged in their rectums but it is not plagarism.

    51. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you sir are a fucking fool as to how the world works.

    52. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Right, either permission or citation (or both, obviously) negate plagiarism.

      Reread the definition I cited. Here are the key words:

      (1) : to steal
      It's not stealing if you have permission.

      (2) to commit literary theft
      Again, no theft with permission.

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    53. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Yeah? I'm pretty sure it isn't. You wrote that there was no moral violation, except in rare cases (such as disbelief in contract, rare indeed). I wrote that it would normally be a moral violation, especially for those with religious inclinations.

      Whatever. I guess it's really not worth arguing over. I'm just voicing disagreement.

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    54. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      You typo-ed ethical where you meant moral, apparently, hence my confusion. I agree that most religious people would probably have moral issues there.

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    55. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Look again. I started my statement by agreeing with your posture that it was indeed an ethical violation. Hence, when I said "ethical", I meant it. I then proceeded to quibble about morality and used "moral" from that point onwards. I see no typo.

      At any rate, no harm done.

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    56. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification, your 'beg to differ' followed immediately by agreement on the ethical part threw me off.

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    57. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I know you're an idiot

      transitive verb
      : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
      : use (another's production) without crediting the source

      intransitive verb
      : to commit literary theft
      : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

      It's not theft if you cite it.
      You're not presenting something as new and original if you cite it.

    58. Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? by Surt · · Score: 1

      I think you need to learn what and means.

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  13. His definition of ethics is lousy by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    How is a strip club unethical? It may be immoral depending on your view of morality, but it's a legal business that doesn't misrepresent itself. Plagiarism is a lie: it is unethical and probably immoral, depending, again, on your view of morality.

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  14. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1

    On second thought, adapting an expression I'd heard quite a few times - "fix your karma before helping others". So my conclusion is that it would be unlikely. Interesting insight though.

  15. Porn and Strip clubs unethical? by sirwired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope this guy isn't one of their essay writers. Porn shops and strip clubs may be seedy, nasty, and often run by unsavory people, and they most certainly are often run in an unethical manner or carry unethical merchandise (and are not my cup of tea), but the concept of a porn shop or strip club itself is not unethical.

    Running a shop whose sole purpose in life is to write papers for students to (unethically) pass off as their own work IS most certainly unethical.

  16. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    They promise at least a B, but with grade inflation isn't a B now equivalent to a D in my day?

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  17. Porn? by thePsychologist · · Score: 1

    How are porn and strip clubs unethical?

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    1. Re:Porn? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It depends. If you give them a dollar hoping to see tits, but then you don't see tits, then that is unethical. If, however, they deliver tits as expected, then that is perfectly ethical.
      In the case of a reports-for-hire service, it is the customers that are being unethical, not the report writers.

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    2. Re:Porn? by Pollardito · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess you could say that the dancers/actresses with fake breasts are committing fraud, but that argument won't hold up without support

    3. Re:Porn? by russotto · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess you could say that the dancers/actresses with fake breasts are committing fraud, but that argument won't hold up without support

      You've got that backwards; it's the real ones which won't hold up without support.

    4. Re:Porn? by loxosceles · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I think ethics violations are transitive to an extent.

      If someone is engaged in an activity that they can reasonably foresee will result in someone else committing an ethics violation, the original someone is, I think, committing an ethics violation.

      The "reasonably foresee" part is fuzzy, but if you write papers for a company that provides academic papers, I do not think the fact that you're two steps away from the actual ethics violation protects you from being party to an ethics violation yourself.

      Before anyone tries to draw a parallel to copyright violations, I don't think they are ethics violations... at least not if the violator is not making money directly from the copying, and if the violator is a natural person (as opposed to an artificial person like a corporation).

    5. Re:Porn? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      If a person is downloading copyrighted material to avoid payment of a reasonable fee for said material, then a copyright violation is an ethics violation. Likewise, knowing and willful distribution of copyrighted material may still be an ethics violation, even without a profit motive involved, because there may still be the expectation that other people will make copyrighted material available in exchange.

      As for assisting somebody else to violates ethics being an ethics violation, yes, that is a gray area. One thing is certain: people submitting plagiarized or purchased reports are hurting themselves more than anyone else.

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    6. Re:Porn? by loxosceles · · Score: 1

      That depends on your ethics.

      If there were a law that all ideas were owned, and if that became part of someone's ethics, they would make a similar claim to the one you just made -- reading a description of an "owned" idea without reasonable payment (as judged by the "owner") would be an ethics violation.

      I bet you don't agree with that system of ethics, where ideas are "owned" and where transfers are subject to rent payments. I sure don't agree with that sort of system.

      The difference is that you take a dramatically different view of copyright, while I view it as quite similar.

    7. Re:Porn? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I believe that people that put a lot of work into developing ideas should be compensated for doing so. I'm not sure that allowing the ownership of said ideas to be transfered to corporations, or allowing the lifetime of the license for exclusive use of the idea to exceed the lifetime of the author, are in the best interests of society.

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  18. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by singingjim1 · · Score: 1

    Probably, but I have a startup that recruits /.ers with moderator points that I pay from people hiring my company to mod down highly rated comments. Find a need and fill it.

  19. Strip and porn shops? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Wait, what's unethical about the sex business?

    I mean, sure it traditionally attracts the bottom scum of society, but so does the military, construction work, truckers, bars, the dollar store, goodwills, walmart, tattoos, booze, gambling, etc. etc. Where the lower-class are involved you have to keep an eye our for abuse, as it's so fun and easy to abuse the desperate, but there's nothing inherently unethical about it.

  20. He can be shut down rather easily. by blcamp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in school, I posted copyright notices on EVERY single paper I ever wrote. That was my way of ensuring no one copied my work and allowed me to defend any potential charge that I may have been a plagiarizer myself.

    Texts of term papers posted on other sites (whether university or a forum or by a student) are typically copyrighted works themselves, or represent a portion of one.

    DCMA, anyone?

    Even a handful of violations can send this guy packing.

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    1. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      His company is the copyright holder - he's hiring writers to create papers. Why would he sue himself?

    2. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      ...except that he is employing ghostwriters who write original material, so he isn’t plagiarizing at all. It is the students who are plagiarizing if they put their name on the paper and turn it in claiming that they wrote it.

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    3. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reading the article suggests that he might try to sue himself, if he thinks he could make some money from it...

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    4. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      One of the angriest moments I've ever had in my life was when I found out that someone had stolen one of my papers off a computer lab computer (which it had autosaved to) and tried to turn it in as their own. The prof caught it because it was written for a 500-level class and this idiot tries to turn it in in English 102. The prof recognized it, circulated it around, and my prof recognized it and told me about it. He never would tell me the name of the asshole who had stolen it (probably because he knew I wanted to knock his dick in the dirt).

      One of the things I was most proud of was that I never cheated in college. I saw plenty of others do it, and that was their choice. But I can at least say that I never did. My grades (even the not-so-great ones) were at least all mine.

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    5. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, he'll sue his own customers. They're the ones infringing on his copyright by putting their name on works he owns.

    6. Re:He can be shut down rather easily. by ourvail · · Score: 1

      You didn't have copywrite. Your instructor that gave you the assignment did... For your work.

  21. Immoral vs unethical by Chas · · Score: 1

    Ah Jordan. Spoken like a true third-grade dropout!

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  22. Price Has Gone Up by SydShamino · · Score: 1

    In the early 1970s it was just $3.50 a page per Robert Silverberg.

    Interestingly I read Dying Inside just last night, and ghost writing class papers is the protagonist's "profession."

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    1. Re:Price Has Gone Up by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I used to charge $5 a page in the late 90s. My customers left me when I gave 5 people the same paper for the same class.

  23. Strip clubs and porn shops? EXCUSE me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'

    Well, thank you very much for the ethics lesson then, Mr Puritan! Unfortunately, you're wrong: there is nothing with either strip clubs or porn shops (as long as nobody is being exploited, but that's a given anyway and applies to ALL industries). Your business, however, very much is.

    Fuck off.

  24. Garden Variety Narcissist by Spazntwich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Justifying his own shitty actions with the "everyone else does it" cliche while enabling his clients to avoid accepting responsibility for their own actions.

    Talk about epitomizing everything wrong with the world these days.

    1. Re:Garden Variety Narcissist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days? Don't you mean since forever?

    2. Re:Garden Variety Narcissist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude is a persian/arab, what do you expect from this filthy race.

  25. The wave of the future by jcohen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is possible to foresee an educational model in which ghostwritten papers are sent straight to the outsourced graders, eliminating the inefficiencies that students and educational institutions bring to the process.

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    1. Re:The wave of the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best comment yet.

    2. Re:The wave of the future by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Something like the scene in Real Genius where after having more and more students leave tape recorders in class to record the lecture, the instructor just plays a tape to a classroom of tape recorders, with neither professor nor students present.

  26. Plenty of blame to go around here... by sirwired · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While this scumbag's business is about 100% pure fail, anybody involved deserves exactly what they get.

    I am having a hard time mustering up sympathy for his writers that aren't getting paid on time (or at all.) They knew going in that the entire concept was scuzzy, and it should not come as any sort of surprise that the CEO of this fine example of capitalism is himself a little lacking in the ethics department.

    Interesting that there aren't any complaints from customers in that article... I wonder if Mr. Scumbag-in-chief actually has sufficient "boss" skills to avoid hiring lazy employees that would produce plagarized product?

    SirWired

    1. Re:Plenty of blame to go around here... by vxice · · Score: 1

      Yeah, once someone claims they got a paper that was failed due to plagiarism he fires the guy that wrote it. And don't be so stuck up about it either. I happen to know every word you have written has been published before. Ever hear of the dictionary?

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    2. Re:Plenty of blame to go around here... by EricWright · · Score: 1

      I happen to know every word you have written has been published before. Ever hear of the dictionary?

      I only have one word for you...

      Flarglenozzle

      Look that up in your dictionary!

  27. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1

    Don't know what your ??? step is, but I hope you're making profit ;-)

  28. it's like doping in sports by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    yeah sure, if you take steroids or you bank your blood, you can win the cycling race or hit the balls harder

    but why do people watch sports? because of the thrill of identification with the human being in the physical endeavour. but if its not the athlete doing the performance, just some drugs actually performing, then this undermines the basic premise for why sports are appealing to anyone at all in the first place

    likewise, if you hire someone to generate your intellectual output, you undermine the very concept of a university education

    why do people want to go to university? to broaden their minds, with the knowledge that success or failure at university is a product of your intellectual output. but if instead you cheat, and succeed, at university, then what is destroyed is the notion and validity of higher education itself. it makes the whole endeavour illegitimate and unappealing, like cheating in sports

    sports governing bodies and institutions of higher learning are put in mortal danger by cheaters. if they let these cancers grow, they will find that their reason for being is discredited, and no one will go to sporting events or go to college anymore

    either its an honest endeavour, or the endeavour ceases to be appealing or attractive to anyone, and fades as less are willing to support the fakery by sitting in stands or toiling for a diploma

    so go ahead and support this asshole, if it is your desire to discredit and destroy the notion of a university education

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    1. Re:it's like doping in sports by bdcrazy · · Score: 2, Informative

      why do people want to go to university? There were told the piece of paper that is a diploma is worth lots of money. That is the only reason.

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  29. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

    You might think so, but not really. There's nothing past A. So while more people might be getting "B" and "A"'s, a "B" is still a "B" and an "A" is still an "A".

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  30. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up! (sid?dimethylxanthine-940&plagincid?49052)

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  31. good idea bad company by kurtis25 · · Score: 1

    It's not a bad business idea and I'm not sure you can argue what he does is unethical or cheating. The users of the service are cheating but isn't that what sites like bugmenot, mailinator, and others are about short cutting someones system so we can get personal pleasure without sacrifice. TFA seems to be more about a young knuckle head trying to run a business he neither understands nor is able to run. It almost reads like a warning about the future of business.

  32. Re:Ethical vs. Moral? by rwa2 · · Score: 0

    Strip clubs and porn shops are immoral, not unethical.

    But lots of self-proclaimed "moral" people seem to get kind of confused about that... things are either good or bad and black or white.

  33. Comparison fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If someone is on stage in a strip show, I think we can be sure it's them.

  34. I don't think so. by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

    Porn shops, strip clubs, neither unethical or immoral. But lying about who you are, faking and cheating you way through life, possibly getting a position you aren't qualified for and putting lives in danger? Fuck no, that is wrong.

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  35. ghost-written book by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    "In one case, an author asked Kavoosi's crew to write a book to be published in his own name." I'll take a guess. Was it Sarah Palin?

    1. Re:ghost-written book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guess wrong. Palin graduated in journalism. She knows how to write. Obama, on the other hand, very likely had his book written by his buddy, William Ayers, the terrorist who bombed the Penatgon, and attempted to kill cops.

  36. Also an example of lazy/overworked professors by sirwired · · Score: 1

    Any professor (or TA) that is more than minimally aware of the abilities of their students should be able to spot a ghost-written paper a mile away. The typical student who hires one is lazy and shows no aptitude whatsoever for the subject matter in class. These students can be sussed out with a simple one-on-one meeting asking them to clarify or expand on some of their ideas. If this short meeting was made a major part of the paper's grade, buying a paper would be a lot less useful since it would still require you to master the subject matter.

    I've encountered plagiarized stuff in my professional work and it was trivially easy to spot.

    SirWired

    1. Re:Also an example of lazy/overworked professors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not all the professors' fault.

      I've worked at two schools where the policy was not to make a big deal about cheating or plagiarism--to the point where we were actually told not to do anything about it. I taught a class where about 1/5 of the kids cheated on every assignment, every week. The solutions were verbatim copies with things done in such a way that no undergrad would ever think to do. Even the symbols chosen were spot-on matches. Each week I'd write on the homework, "I know you copied this. Even the obscure Greek symbols you chose match this solution. Please stop cheating." or, "Wow, I've never seen you approach a problem this way on the test before--in fact, you did it the exact same way as on this solution.", trying to shame them.

      Not one of them stopped.

      The only time anything was ever done about it was when one student was paying another to take exams for him. On one exam, the student being paid accidentally wrote his own name on the exam, realized his mistake and obliterated it from the page, and wrote the other student's name above the destroyed region of the exam. It turns out, however, that by some miracle the copy machine was able to read through the smear and we were able to obtain past examples of the exam-taker's work, and the writing was a spot-on match. When we presented this to the dean, however, he wasn't compelled and asked the student to bring back his past homework assignments. Each one was a beautiful hybrid of the two students' writing, and the dean decided that the case was too ambiguous and since both students denied the accusation that there was nothing we could do. Something didn't sit right about the homework, though.

      I walked out of the meeting, then it occurred to me: I hate ball-point pens. The homework assignments the student had brought were graded in ball-point, and I only use felt-tip.

      I turned around, took my pen out of my pocket, and said, "I never graded these assignments.", submitting my pen as evidence. The students immediately came clean. One was suspended, the other expelled.

      As you can see, universities hate cheating scandals. The attitude the administration has is that they don't want the attention nor the hassle nor the loss of customers. You can come in with mountains of evidence that a student copied or cheated, and they'll take the student's side in all but the most extreme cases. There is nothing I'd like more than to fail everyone who copied from online solutions without a question, but then I'd be getting chewed out by my superiors or maybe even fired.

    2. Re:Also an example of lazy/overworked professors by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I would like to believe that the teachers I have known were willing to risk their jobs on behalf of their integrity.

      Besides, doesn't tenure protect you from incidents like these?

    3. Re:Also an example of lazy/overworked professors by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't trust a ghost-writer to do a good enough job and I am sure it would stand out like a sore thumb.

      While I was at university, I quickly established my own style so that all my work was easily recognisable as mine.

      Even when whole pages of a paper were missing, I still would receive an 'B+' grade for the quality.

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  37. Children by Kylere · · Score: 1

    You can tell that he is but a child, what kind of repression and ignorance was he raised amidst that caused him to believe his complete lack of honesty and morality can be throw away by attacking businesses with MUCH more integrity than he will ever learn to possess. He must be a christian.

  38. This is the real world works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear BP is gonna need a new Spill Prevention, Control, and Countermeasure plan soon for the gulf coast... maybe he can write it for them. I mean as long as they turn it in to the EPA on time what could possibly go wrong if no one at BP actually knows what it says or why?

  39. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's writing the current comment for me. So, don't mod this beyond a C (Score 3) or I'll have to pay.

  40. You tell 'em, boy... by northernfrights · · Score: 1

    That's right. As long as there's places for grown men to see naked boobies, I'll be damned if anyone tells me what to do...

  41. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    Grades used to be easy:

    90% and up = A
    80% and up = B
    70% and up = C
    60% and up = D
    Everything else = F

    Now? 50% is an F.
    And if you give too many Fs, you'll be sued.

  42. Didn't he mean fake boobs in strip clubs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure I agree with the analogy he presents. At a strip club, you're not pretending to be something you're not; you're just paying for a service and the workers are paid for their performance.

  43. yea, this is clear, but what about.... by jp102235 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ok, so this is unethical,
    but lets look at this with more grainularity:
    at what point have I reached unethical in the following situations
    1. I hire a typist to type my thesis (this is before computers)
    2. I hire a graphic artist to draw my figures
    3. I hire a presentation firm to do my powerpoint slides (beamer for me please)
    4. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) master's students to run my experiments / write code.
    5. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) phd students to draw conclusions on those experiments

    Is the difference between buying an essay and being a research professor that thin? jeesh

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    1. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by vocaro · · Score: 1

      4. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) master's students to run my experiments / write code.
      5. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) phd students to draw conclusions on those experiments

      Whenever I helped my professor with his research, I always shared co-author credit on his publications, hence no plagiarism. I would imagine this is standard practice throughout the world.

    2. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. I hire a typist to type my thesis (this is before computers)

      A technical servive. Simple remark on the title page would do, just as e.g. "printed by" you write "typeset by" or something similar

      2. I hire a graphic artist to draw my figures

      Minor content contribution. All content created by the artist must be attributed to him, e.g. "picture by in the caption.

      3. I hire a presentation firm to do my powerpoint slides (beamer for me please)

      Again, technical service. See 1.

      4. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) master's students to run my experiments / write code.

      Major content contribution. Co-authorship or authorship.

      5. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) phd students to draw conclusions on those experiments

      Depends. If you only discussed your conclusions with the PhD student, and he basically said "looks ok to me", a acknowledgement might suffice. If he actually spotted errors/contributed some ideas of his own -> Co-authorship.

      If the master student did the experiments and wrote the code, the PhD drew the conclusions and you basically helped spot some errors on the way and gave guidance, then the master needs to be author, PhD second author and you come in last.

      Seriously, it is not that hard...

    3. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any research professor who wants to hang on to his reputation and job will recognise the contributions of his students, either by citing their papers or listing them as authors.

      Supervisers plagiarising students work sometimes happens, but it's rare. The reward is rarely worth risking a career for. Academics tend to hold grudges and have long memories, so it just isn't worth the bother.

    4. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All is fair if you predeclare".

      If you hire students to run your experiments, write code, or draw conclusions, do they get credit for that, or do you afterwards claim that you did everything entirely on your own, without any help from anyone? There's nothing wrong with delegating, but you have to be upfront about it: it's the LYING that's unethical.

      And when you turn in a paper that you were expected to write on your own, and which you knew you were expected to write on your own, and you actually paid someone else to write it for you, then you ARE lying, and that's the unethical part. If the assignment said "turn in a paper, and feel free to pay someone else to write it for you", then obviously, doing the same thing would not be unethical.

      I hope that clears it up!

    5. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by evolvearth · · Score: 1
      I don't know how this got 5+ interesting.

      A research professor is an expert in the field in acquires the money for a project by pitching a sale. Those who do the actual labor not only obtain money for it, either by a research assistantship (ideal) or teacher assistantship (less than ideal except for the valuable teaching experience), but also receive credit by getting first author on the publications they primarily worked on. The advisor is typically the last author on the paper. When buying an essay, the original writers get zero credit. If any credit is given for the essay writer, the essay is worthless to the student.

    6. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by jp102235 · · Score: 1

      That -is- the theory, now isn't it? But in practice...?

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    7. Re:yea, this is clear, but what about.... by KronicD · · Score: 1

      As a researcher at a university I can safely say that 1 through 3 don't happen anymore. As for 4 & 5, managing those students is harder than doing the work yourself. We have to give those students the opportunity however (even though we almost always end up re-doing the work ourselves).

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  44. Re:Ethical vs. Moral? by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Strip clubs are either both or neither. Well, or a shade between those two levels. Moral and ethical are mostly the same thing, the main difference being connotation. The only difference is that people tend to reference religious dogma with morals and philosophical dogma with ethics, but they're essentially the same thing.

  45. Too expensive anyways... by mighty7sd · · Score: 1

    At $23 per page a standard college level English class could cost over $1000, possibly more than the tuition.

  46. I think this is a great thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...because it will make sure that lazy students don't ever have the initiative to turn their work ethic around. Thus, when they get to the real world and are found out they won't make it. Since I have very good work ethic I won't have to compete against these bozos (well, not for long anyway).

  47. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by hedwards · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as grade inflation. It's a myth that just won't die. The closest thing to grade inflation out there is the tendency of what used to be F work to become a C or D grade. But it doesn't affect the B or C grades. What's changed is that teachers have less room to evaluate students than in the past, more of the grades are on a standardized basis and students are expected to do a lot more work than they used to. Consequently, you do see higher grades, but you also see smarter people as well.

  48. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they can write 5 point comments for me?

    Probably not, but he can make incredibly stupid videos for you .

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jordan4604

    Which is worse - that he made the videos, or that he posted them?

  49. That sound you hear ... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    That sound you hear is parents throughout the land going "I should charge my kids more! All I ever get is half a pizza!"

  50. Difference between morality and ethics by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can someone please tell me the difference between morality and ethics?

    There isn't a well-defined one, but there is a common, somewhat fuzzy, distinction often made with "ethical" wrong as the subset of "wrong" that deals ith behavior that fails an obligation to some particular other person (excluding any God or similar divine entity) without license, and "moral" wrong as the subset of "wrong" that deals with behavior that is wrong independent of any obligation to any other person (except, again, any God or similar divine entity.)

    Under this model, fraud is often characterized as unethical, while recreational drug use is often characterized as immoral. (Both, obviously, presuming they are seen as wrong at all, and in general terms; its possible even under this general framework to construct an argument that either of those examples falls into the opposite category in some or all cases.)

  51. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For $23, can I get a page on how his service is ethical that will get me a "B" in my ethics class?

    I'd pay for that.

  52. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

    Grades are still:

    90% and up = A
    80% and up = B
    70% and up = C
    60% and up = D
    59% and below = F

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  53. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by Captain+Centropyge · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure where these "smarter people" are you're referencing. Seems to me that most people these days haven't gotten very good educations (due largely in part to politics destroying educational institutions/systems), resulting in dumber people, if there's any change at all.

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  54. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by northernfrights · · Score: 1

    Cheater!

  55. Not plagiarism by PDAllen · · Score: 1

    This isn't actually plagiarism - plagiarism is ripping off the work of another writer. This is simply paying someone to write something for you; in that sense, you might as well call a politician a plagiarist because the letter he sent you was written by his secretary.

    What it is, is cheating - which is really, really pointless. You might get better grades in classwork, but you won't learn anything: so you will lose out when it comes to the exam, and in 10 years time when you are being asked questions in an interview your lack of ability to construct a decent argument will lead to someone else getting the job.

    1. Re:Not plagiarism by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Well, I looked up Plagiarizing in the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary and it states:

        : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source

      And I'd have to say that when a student buys a paper and submits it as his own original work, it does satisfy the definition.

      And yes, most politicians are plagarists too. But you can just add that onto the long list of negative traits of politicians and businessmen.

  56. in-class assignments by Xenophon+Fenderson, · · Score: 1

    That's the only counter I can think of. Only problem is that it won't work for classes where they need to get as much lecture time in as possible, or for on-line classes.

    Lots of CS100 classes have the same problem.

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  57. employees by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    What's crazy is the people he hires to write the papers don't seem to have any sense of the ethical issues involved. At least two of them are interviewed using their real names, and they act like the only thing wrong with this whole shady enterprise is that the fool didn't pay them on time. One of them is apparently an established writer for the Star Tribune; another one seems to be an award-winning teacher in Orlando Florida. I'm glad these individuals are no longer working for this douchebag, but it doesn't seem to bother them at all that they are cheapening their own professions.

  58. Would you buy a used term paper from this man? by wrencherd · · Score: 1

    Looking at the photo accompanying the article, it would be hard to think that anyone would pay those clowns to do anything in which smarts are (supposed to be) involved, much less put one's name on it and turn it in for a grade.

    You might just as well ask them to take the MCAT for you; you'd be better off just checking off "C" on every question.

  59. This is the plot of Grease 2 (1982) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is straight from 1982's forgettable Grease 2 movie, where the uncool guy makes money to buy a motorcycle by writing papers for the other kids. This is why they say those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Maybe someone should write a paper about that?

  60. Quick! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    Somebody give them $23 to write a 1-page paper on the difference between ethics and morality!

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  61. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. All those dumb people have horrible sentence structure.

  62. Nothing wrong with strip clubs and porn shops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consenting adults going into a strip club or porn shop hardly does any damage to society, beyond maybe causing some reactionary prudes to get angry and violent, though in that case it is the prudes that are destructive. Plagiarists getting ahead is definitely damaging to society as it rewards dishonesty and incompetence.

  63. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by Unkyjar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course grades don't get inflated. The rate the teacher's charge is still $100 per grade over a D. Same as it was when I was in school. Silly teachers, not charging more for the cost of living increases.

  64. Prof's perspective by ancarett · · Score: 1

    This is plagiarism both by my university's definition and the one that's included in my syllabus.

    This kind of activity is also why I don't allow free-choice essays and require students to submit work in progress during the term as they "workshop" major projects. It's all about deterring plagiarism and trying to get the students to, you know!, actually complete the course requirements. Crazy ideas.

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    ancarett, historian and zombie gamer
  65. At least they're consistent by Super+Marx+Brothers · · Score: 0

    I'm almost certain that they hired someone else to write out their website's copy.

  66. plagiarism? really? by neuroxmurf · · Score: 1

    It may be a violation of the academic honesty code of your school, but I'm not convinced that hiring a ghost writer constitutes plagiarism ("1. The action or practice of taking someone else's work, idea, etc., and passing it off as one's own; literary theft."). In particular, purchase is not theft.

    Really, would you say that any of the many biographies of famous people are plagiarized?

  67. Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are probably just outsourcing the work on some garbage freelance site and paying some foreigner a pittance to do it. Why would you go for an education in the first place if you didn't actually WANT to learn? Oh well, there are a few employers out there that might hire for outsourcing skills. /rant

  68. Never trust... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never trust a guy with a soul patch.

  69. Ethics vs. morality by iliketrash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical..."

    He confuses ethics with morality. Dude--write a 1500 word essay on the differences between morals and ethics.

  70. Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's writing the current comment for me. So, don't mod this beyond a C (Score 3) or I'll have to pay.

    You're currently sitting at (Score:3, Funny) - I wonder how many people were going to mod you up but didn't. :-)

  71. when u get paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u r sold

    just that simple

  72. Hmm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "'Sure it's unethical, but it's just a business,' Kavoosi explains. 'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'"

    I don't think that word means what you think it means. "Unpopular in some circles" or "considered immoral by some" is not the same thing as "unethical".

  73. That's not plagiarism, it's permission by trashbird1240 · · Score: 1

    It's not plagiarism if the author encourages you to pass off the stuff as your own. It's not theft if you pay somebody for something and then call it yours, right Slashdot?

    Nor is it plagiarism to reuse your own work in a different academic contribution.

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