Download kororaa 0.2 cd. I used bittorrent, you're welcome to use another technique if it makes you happy. I hear RFC 1149 networking is all the rage these days.
Insert into CD drive. Turn on power.
Press the magic key (I think it was F12) that presents a boot-device menu. Select the CD.
We all know that, to use XGL in GNU/Linux, you need to use non-free binary drivers from nVidia or ATI.
I call FUD. I have successfully tested XGL in kororaa with the Intel i810 chipset in my Dell Inspiron 510m laptop. I guess we don't "all know" after all.
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That and there have been a total of 29 messages to the devel mailing list this month. Count them - that's significantly fewer than 2 per day - and _none_ of them have been anything about releases.
Even more, none of them show any sign of movement towards a release.
I think the Gaim team have bitten off more than they can chew and lost interest/enthusiasm somewhere along the way. For something that gets so much use it feels like a dead and rudderless project, which is a real pity. Nobody has been talking release for months.
Meanwhile, I'm running SVN (they dropped CVS a while back, thankfully - so at least we're not trailing in Sourceforge style quite so badly any more) because I run disconnected a lot and the pop up messages complaining about connections dying piss me off to much.
Yes. The great-grandparent of this is one of those things that is a complete answer to the question. That's why you should care. Whether the result of the caring is an awareness that "we needed to take the cheap and dirty path for cost-benefit reasons" rather than actually make it compliant - sure, sometimes you need to do that.
You should be aware that you're making that choice though, and the cost-benefit analysis should include the increased likelyhood of issues with future browsers.
Wow, that's really interesting. I work at FastMail.FM and we've built our system on Cyrus as the backend, which has lots of advantages but also some big disadvantages.
We use open source software throughout our system and contribute back most of our changes (where they actually have some utility outside our little world, 50 line perl programs that just query out database for status information need not apply - and we wouldn't want to inflict our web framework on the world. It certainly doesn't need another web framework with a steep learning curve and funky special cases!)
Right as I type this (or at least when I stop typing and get my arse back to working on what I'm being paid to do) we're setting up a replicated environment with pairs of Cyrus servers:
* Dual Xeon with hyperthreading * 8Gb RAM * 12 SATA drives configured as 4 arrays:
[73Gb RAID 1] [73Gb RAID 1] [1.2Tb RAID5] [1.2Tb RAID5]
Each array is then split in half, with the first partition holding an active Cyrus partition and the second half holding a replicated set from its "pair" server. This spreads IO evenly.
The small RAID1 sets are faster disks and they hold the metadata partitions which get most of the IO.
We don't have these things in production yet (still huge IBM monster machines with 6Gb memory and terabytes of attached SATA storage. They're much more reliable but don't have replication, so it's a tradeoff that makes an array failure much more painful to recover from).
Every so often I do wish I had the time to build a full IMAP server from scratch with a modern indexed database engine (boo hiss in the direction of Berkeley DB) and the capability to store multiple copies of files. I've already done something like that with our virtual filesystem that provides DAV and FTP access to files on the servers, as well as websites viewing parts of your filespace - it's shiny and I can reboot any server in the VFS backend set without worrying about impacting production.
Damn, I really should have actually looked at who I was responding to as well! Hi Matt. I've sort of migrated out of doing disgusting things with Perl, XML and databases to doing disgusting things with Perl, RFC822 messages and... erm, databases. Not to mention sha1hex storage pools and virtual filesystems.
I still read the Axkit mailing list for its spam and other exciting goodness - but don't have much need to touch XML, bargepole or not, these days.
Alternatively, check out nginx. Sure you have to wade through the Russian, but the configuration syntax is pretty simple and it's easy enough to build.
It uses epoll. We replaced a perdition proxy that was seriously loading two servers with a single 8 process nginx instance that's not even breaking a sweat. It's amazing what the change from 32000 process down to 8 processes can do on a busy site! The two frontend machines are now configured with heartbeat to get full failover of IP addresses. Downtime appears to be on the order of 1-2 seconds with an orderly cutover and probably about 10 seconds for a total host failure.
Cyrus supports replication now, which is a good way to handle the backends. I'd say more about it, but I haven't actually finished configuring the full failover system yet for this - lots of gating logic required to make sure two machines don't both believe they're master for a bit!
Er, but why would I help you anyway, you're the competition;)
You may find it more future-safe to use the utilities your distribution provided for managing alternative implementations of a tool.
Thanks for the tip though, as you can see below, I've just tried switching myself. Dapper installed gs-esp by default.
I'm just blabbing on here to get the junk count down because slashdot really doesn't seem to like the detail below much - I'm so lame, obviously. I've also removed a whole bunch of punctuation from the output of update-alternatives below. Sorry about that. There should be enough for you to see what it does though...
sudo update-alternatives --config gs
There are 2 alternatives which provide gs.
Selection Alternative *+ 1/usr/bin/gs-esp 2/usr/bin/gs-gpl
Press enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: 2 Using/usr/bin/gs-gpl to provide gs.
That's not data integrity, that's agressive caching. There's a big difference, and interactive web applications often make that tradeoff for seriously improved performance in the general case.
It certainly doesn't say anything about the integrity of Postgres itself - it's the design of the application sitting above it and the tradeoffs chosen by the designer.
My god, that's a bit deep for slashdot. I didn't reply because I cared, I replied because I could. To be less glib, I replied because I was procrastinating (I mean, I was waiting for my PearPC emulator to download security updates at the glacial pace it does so. Yes, that's it. Waiting).
Er, whatever. Now I need to become you and go on rampage. Woot. Go me, er... us.
I'm pretty sure Darwin didn't have anything to say about intelligence or number of people who like you being a factor in natural selection.
Basically, people who die for whatever reason before breeding won't pass on whatever it was to make them die to their children, whether it's stupidity or just a propensity to suicide.
So yeah, very appropriate to a Darwin discussions.
Yep, around about as stupid as installing.tar.gzs from someplace random. Besides, you can always download the source files and build the.debs yourself after satisfying yourself that it is indeed the same source code.
Hopefully the patch for making this a mount option will make its way into 2.6.16 along with another couple of patches that we (FastMail.FM) add for other reiser issues. It's still the best filesystem by far for large Cyrus installations though.
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Er, right.
Download kororaa 0.2 cd. I used bittorrent, you're welcome to use another technique if it makes you happy. I hear RFC 1149 networking is all the rage these days.
Insert into CD drive. Turn on power.
Press the magic key (I think it was F12) that presents a boot-device menu. Select the CD.
Press ENTER at the prompt.
Wait a bit.
Enjoy the shiny spinny cubeness of it all.
QED. FOAD.
We all know that, to use XGL in GNU/Linux, you need to use non-free binary drivers from nVidia or ATI.
I call FUD. I have successfully tested XGL in kororaa with the Intel i810 chipset in my Dell Inspiron 510m laptop. I guess we don't "all know" after all.
That and there have been a total of 29 messages to the devel mailing list this month. Count them - that's significantly fewer than 2 per day - and _none_ of them have been anything about releases.
Even more, none of them show any sign of movement towards a release.
I think the Gaim team have bitten off more than they can chew and lost interest/enthusiasm somewhere along the way. For something that gets so much use it feels like a dead and rudderless project, which is a real pity. Nobody has been talking release for months.
Meanwhile, I'm running SVN (they dropped CVS a while back, thankfully - so at least we're not trailing in Sourceforge style quite so badly any more) because I run disconnected a lot and the pop up messages complaining about connections dying piss me off to much.
Hey - I read usenet. Getting offended is a waste of time. Besides, you have a point.
Yes. The great-grandparent of this is one of those things that is a complete answer to the question. That's why you should care. Whether the result of the caring is an awareness that "we needed to take the cheap and dirty path for cost-benefit reasons" rather than actually make it compliant - sure, sometimes you need to do that.
You should be aware that you're making that choice though, and the cost-benefit analysis should include the increased likelyhood of issues with future browsers.
Yeah, well - I didn't ask for it. Even if it is insightful, it's certainly offtopic!
It's posts like this that are the reason Slashdot needs a +6 moderation, even if it costs 10 moderators worth of points to push it the final bit.
it allows me to segway
God damn smartarse marketting terms taking over from the real word, *sigh*.
speeling flame.
Ahh, documentation. We sponsored Igor to add POP and IMAP a while ago. We use Postfix for SMTP - that's a separate function entirely.
I might write up something about nginx as a pop/imap proxy and ask Igor to link to it.
It really is very nice to use, if hard to read the docs!
Wow, that's really interesting. I work at FastMail.FM and we've built our system on Cyrus as the backend, which has lots of advantages but also some big disadvantages.
We use open source software throughout our system and contribute back most of our changes (where they actually have some utility outside our little world, 50 line perl programs that just query out database for status information need not apply - and we wouldn't want to inflict our web framework on the world. It certainly doesn't need another web framework with a steep learning curve and funky special cases!)
Right as I type this (or at least when I stop typing and get my arse back to working on what I'm being paid to do) we're setting up a replicated environment with pairs of Cyrus servers:
* Dual Xeon with hyperthreading
* 8Gb RAM
* 12 SATA drives configured as 4 arrays:
[73Gb RAID 1] [73Gb RAID 1] [1.2Tb RAID5] [1.2Tb RAID5]
Each array is then split in half, with the first partition holding an active Cyrus partition and the second half holding a replicated set from its "pair" server. This spreads IO evenly.
The small RAID1 sets are faster disks and they hold the metadata partitions which get most of the IO.
We don't have these things in production yet (still huge IBM monster machines with 6Gb memory and terabytes of attached SATA storage. They're much more reliable but don't have replication, so it's a tradeoff that makes an array failure much more painful to recover from).
Every so often I do wish I had the time to build a full IMAP server from scratch with a modern indexed database engine (boo hiss in the direction of Berkeley DB) and the capability to store multiple copies of files. I've already done something like that with our virtual filesystem that provides DAV and FTP access to files on the servers, as well as websites viewing parts of your filespace - it's shiny and I can reboot any server in the VFS backend set without worrying about impacting production.
Damn, I really should have actually looked at who I was responding to as well! Hi Matt. I've sort of migrated out of doing disgusting things with Perl, XML and databases to doing disgusting things with Perl, RFC822 messages and ... erm, databases. Not to mention sha1hex storage pools and virtual filesystems.
I still read the Axkit mailing list for its spam and other exciting goodness - but don't have much need to touch XML, bargepole or not, these days.
Bron.
Alternatively, check out nginx. Sure you have to wade through the Russian, but the configuration syntax is pretty simple and it's easy enough to build.
;)
It uses epoll. We replaced a perdition proxy that was seriously loading two servers with a single 8 process nginx instance that's not even breaking a sweat. It's amazing what the change from 32000 process down to 8 processes can do on a busy site! The two frontend machines are now configured with heartbeat to get full failover of IP addresses. Downtime appears to be on the order of 1-2 seconds with an orderly cutover and probably about 10 seconds for a total host failure.
Cyrus supports replication now, which is a good way to handle the backends. I'd say more about it, but I haven't actually finished configuring the full failover system yet for this - lots of gating logic required to make sure two machines don't both believe they're master for a bit!
Er, but why would I help you anyway, you're the competition
(I work for FastMail.FM btw)
Ubuntu Breezy (5.10) was compiled almost exclusively on gcc-4.0 (with the notable, and annoying, exception of the kernel)
It's really been very stable - I've had no trouble compiling quite a bit of C and C++ software with gcc-4.0 on both Breezy and Dapper (6.04^H6).
which is why I use:
sudo !!
It's only a crime if using that software is illegal either where you're downloading it from or where you are located.
Further more, it's quite possible that you work for an organisation that has a blanket licence for the patent or you have individually licenced it.
But feel free to keep pushing the "it's illegal for some people so everyone doing it must be bad" meme.
Well, except for porn -- that's a slightly different can of worms.
Dude - if there's cans of worms in the porn you're watching then you're into some seriously sick shit.
Otherwise, very insightful post - glad to see the +5. One friending coming right up.
It comes packaged with iTunes, which means it's only going to get more installations as the iPod becomes the darling of the entire universe.
That's not data integrity, that's agressive caching. There's a big difference, and interactive web applications often make that tradeoff for seriously improved performance in the general case.
It certainly doesn't say anything about the integrity of Postgres itself - it's the design of the application sitting above it and the tradeoffs chosen by the designer.
My god, that's a bit deep for slashdot. I didn't reply because I cared, I replied because I could. To be less glib, I replied because I was procrastinating (I mean, I was waiting for my PearPC emulator to download security updates at the glacial pace it does so. Yes, that's it. Waiting).
Er, whatever. Now I need to become you and go on rampage. Woot. Go me, er... us.
I'm pretty sure Darwin didn't have anything to say about intelligence or number of people who like you being a factor in natural selection.
Basically, people who die for whatever reason before breeding won't pass on whatever it was to make them die to their children, whether it's stupidity or just a propensity to suicide.
So yeah, very appropriate to a Darwin discussions.
I know that I'm really me, and I don't give a rats arse what some Anonymous Coward thinks.
Something like that anyway.
Yep, around about as stupid as installing .tar.gzs from someplace random. Besides, you can always download the source files and build the .debs yourself after satisfying yourself that it is indeed the same source code.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=112068507200001&r= 1&w=2
Hopefully the patch for making this a mount option will make its way into 2.6.16 along with another couple of patches that we (FastMail.FM) add for other reiser issues. It's still the best filesystem by far for large Cyrus installations though.
... but if you stand on the table you can see EVERYTHING.
People who want to be offended can be offended by just about anything.