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Competing to Work for Microsoft
theodp writes "Addressing 5,000 developers in Bangalore, Bill Gates announced the Code4Bill contest, a nationwide talent hunt which will begin in January and last eight months. Twenty finalists will receive internships with Microsoft India before one Superhero is selected to join Mr. Gates's own team."
I saw this movie once...
That's interesting. What are they going to do to the second one that's voted off the team?
So I guess this is phase 2 of Bill's previously mentioned program?
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http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04
Phase 3. Profit?
Homer no function beer well without.
this reminds me of Mr. Trump. Just dont know how!
And when can we expect this reality show to come on?
Thats easy to win, just buy the code from someone else.
I don't get it. If you're the best out of 5000 coders, why would you want to work for any company, let alone Microsoft? Seriously. If you're that good, go out there and start your own company and in ten years people will compete to work with you. You'll get to make all the decisions, do everything "the right way", etc. All of the risk, all of the reward.
WHY?!?!
Does the winner or loser of this competition get to code for Bill? :-)
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
If I lived in India, I think just for fun I would participate in this contest, and then when I win (because I am of course the best dev in the world), I will tell Balmer "I am sorry but actually I think I am gonna work for Google. Bye ! Oh BTW, nice chair you have there. Have a nice day !".
"O tay, he was very nice! I think so! Do you think so? Come on now! I tink it is very sad timecop died... I sad, very sad... dest din deace duddy!!! I am torry he is gone."
Compete to sell your soul huh? Sounds good, Where do I sign up?
I'm not fat, just big boned...
In India, Ballmer does not throw chair - chair throws Ballmer.
Balmer will hire you for his team at least... :-)
maybe you'll get to recode his donkey game for modern systems. If you don't know what I'm talking about you're blessed to have missed that horror.
Sounds like the final push to get Vista out the door is on! Winner gets to stay on as scapegoat for any problems encountered.
I'm pouring a 40 of Japanese bubble tea on the curb for timecop.
Inside yourselves, all of you wish you were good enough to win this and work for Bill. It is fashoinable among this crowd to bash Microsoft.
He'll see you the rope to hang him with if it'll make him an extra $1.
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then tell Bill "No Thanks"
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Twenty finalists will receive internships with Microsoft India before one Superhero is selected to join Mr. Gates's own team.
It sounds like Bill Gates has watched just a bit too many episodes of The Apprentice.
Mr. Gates is something of a celebrity in India, where technology outsourcing has provided well-paid jobs and changed the fortunes of thousands of middle-class Indians.
I wonder if all of these programmers in India are even slightly concerned that he ditched out on the (I'm assuming here) more expensive U.S. programmers to hire "more cost effective" employees in India?
They might want to think about what happens when ex-Soviet free states reaches a technology level that either surpasses India, or become cheap enough labor wise to be worth the loss of quality. I honestly don't see a lack of qualified programmers here in the U.S. for Microsoft to hire. And I hate seeing companies that have no reason to expand their profit margins start outsourcing just for the sake of making that extra buck.
hi mom!
Addressing 5,000 developers in Bangalore, Bill Gates announced the Code4Bill contest
As opposed to the "Code4Food" contest that they've been participating in?
If I was a poor middle class Indian geek I don't think I would mind interning with microshaft for a year. Would you? It certainly wouldn't hurt to have "winner of the Code4Bill" contest on your resume. But, give me a break, can't he come up with a better name for this contest? It sounds both egotsitical and condescending to me.
So why doesn't he have such a program in the United States? Funny, though, I've never seen the American - or Canadian, or British version - of the Code4Bill contest. Guess expensive developers aren't really wanted at Microsoft.
How are we supposed to motivate college students to enter computer science when the (sadly) premier computer software maker stages competitions to find the very same programmers who may well replace American workers. What bloody hypocrisy Gates has to complain about the state of American CS while at the same time doing his damn best to destroy it.
Bill can recruit programmers from anywhere he wants. But he can try to find the best here, too.
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I could have sworn Bill Gates said that he was looking for more American Computer Science majors...and now he is doing an Indian contest? What the heck?!
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Because there is no shortage of Indian programmers who want this opportunity to get a foot in the american door of opportunity. T
Wanted: Clever sig, top $ paid, all offers considered.
I ate lunch with Donald Trump, I knew Donald Trump, Donald Trump was a client of mine. Mr. Gates, you are no Donald Trump.
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
And when you gaze long enough into the code, the code will also gaze into you.
Superhero-The Developer's Song
Draw your own conclusion ;-)
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Help fight continental drift.
Sounds like google's summer code contest
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Wouldn't it be cool if whoever won this contest turned down the job offer?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218817/ It sucked.
Wow - and I thought the OpenBSD songs were bad. :P
Hey, you 5,000 developers, why don't you do a bunch of Microsoft Windows coding and propoganda for us* (for free) and we in turn will employ a handfull of you for all your combined effort. Now get started!
* all entries and innovation become the property of Microsoft.
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
I am a software engineer in Bangalore, and honestly I find this "contest" a bit condescending. I mean, why should I jump through hoops to work at Microsft? If I wanted to work at a large company, I can apply to Oracle, Sun, IBM, Yahoo or Google (all of whom have development centres in Bangalore).
The only situation where I can imagine myself competing against 5000 developers for a single job would be if I was fanatical about the organisation (e.g., Google), and I certainly don't feel that way about MS.
Code4Bill... sounds eerily reminiscent of a spyware program I once had to uninstall from someone's PC. What exactly will these people be coding?
From TFA:
"I want to be like him. I am a huge admirer," said 24-year old Naveen Rao, a development engineer with the outsourcing company Aditi Technologies.
Well, for starters, you need to drop out of an elite college just before you would have been thrown out for skipping classes. If you've already earned a college degree, forget everything you've learned. Get the point here? Next, since you're mom is rich and has big business connections through charity work, use those connections to steal someone elses product (a crappy OS simular to CPM) and pass it off as yours to a big dumb company with deep pockets.
Are you getting the point now? After a few years of screwing the company you sold the product to, cut a deal with them to make a better product. Screw them over again by stealing yet another product by hijacking a product team working nearby that's been cancled (perhaps its a GUI on top of VMS by a guy named Cavid Duttler). Use this stolen product team to plow the compnay that gave you the big start (don't worry, your mom's friend moved on long ago).
Is it starting to sink in yet? From there, you just keep going with whatever makes you money and screws hard working programmers over. Hijack a web browser from some poor startup (make sure they rhyme with "eyeglass").
Through all of this, if you want to go after something, just throw money at it and duplicate features other companies have done the hard work for. By version 3 you'll figure it out more or less. If not, you can just spend them out of the market.
Truth is, if you want to be like Bill Gates, all you don't need any technical tallent. And, if you admire Bill Gates, you have a serious lack of ethics.
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
I mean, why hire all those people here in the US of A, and help the economy just a little bit, when you can support a foreign economy and pay 1/10th (that's probably an exaggeration) the amount while your at it.
Typical of way too many companies here in the US, they'd rather save money and make the bottom line look better, than actually support their own economy. It's not like the bigwigs have to worry about budgets or anything...
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When VCR's are outlawed, only outlaws will have VCR's.
"it's like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded"
NOTE: the above is a *joke*. If you do not have a sense of humor, please ignore this comment and move on.
That's easy: He told 5,000 people to get to work right now, "code for Bill." At the same time, he told 4,999 of them they were fired.
Something tells me the man who disparages US education is going to soon tell a few thousand US programmers the same thing.
Ah, the wonderful closed source lie: sell me your effort and I will make you rich. It's about as believable as the last BSA wopper: buy closed source junk and you will magically have more money! Why do people listen to this BS?
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Sounds more like The Apprentice (reality TV show). This will be interesting how geeks backstab eachother for a seat next to the very "one" they loath.
Life is not for the lazy.
1. Whoever makes the first blue screen, wins!
2. Flying chairs screensavers earn a second place.
3. the third place, Assistant programmer, will be awarded to the one who makes a program whose clippy assistant says "Developers Developers Developers!" repeatedly.
4. Everyone in the country will be accepted to participate.
4b. Except in Nebraska!
The KDE Project announces KDE.in.
This is a direct outcome of the the recently concluded FOSS.IN/2005 conference.
You aren't remembered for doing what is expected of you
Actually, this is an attack on Google's image. "Hear hear, we are Microsoft, we only get the best. Techies love us and will compete to have the honour of joining us."
Nice attempt at trying to hype and bump up your image, Microsoft.
So on Bill Gates team you get the privledge of getting coffee for the richest man in the world. Ah, status.
muh dick nigguh muh dick
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Your future is obviously as a comedian.
I'd like the opportunity to compete for a Microsoft job. I suppose I could send in an application, but I doubt that you can get even close if you don't know someone and conform to the certain demographic criteria. Plain and simple, you have to be like the people that are already there to get a job, as is true for any job. However, an open challenge like this would even the score. Microsoft could help their reputation if they'd set up something like this in the U.S.
The original contest was to write a virus to infect windows messenger but they decided the contest should be more challenging. The new contest is to write Linux viruses. He figured it'd killed two birds with one stone.
As Google is to America....... Or at least that's what this contest makes it sound like....
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
Look at "Download Song"! They even outsourced recording to India!!!
Sigs suck!
I'm guessing (and hoping) that US programmers are more intelligent than this. Just after reading about FogCreek Software's up-and-coming documentary (12 Geeks, 12 weeks), I started to wonder about the ethical side. "Give us the best you've got, and if we like what we see, we may keep you around." In the fine print (I'm guessing), "even if we don't, we we'll keep your code and/or reuse the ideas in any manner we please." If there's any merit to this, suddenly, these kind of efforts don't sound all that attractive any more.
The part of the article they edited out was:
"The 21-year-old Mr. Gates, on a family Christmas vacation to India, explained his vision to the 5,000 cotton, soybean, and bajra crop developers gathered in the capital of the southern Indian state of Karnataka: 'The winner of our contest will receive an invitation to the United States, a place to live in my friend Paul's basement, and a position on my team.'
"Sources close to Microsoft told the New York Times that although there are plenty of qualified candidates for the new position in the United States, the current company budget required a more creative approach to find one."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" -- George W. Bush
1. Get a job at an outsourcing company that does Microsoft contracts.
2. Work on one of those projects.
3. Get converted to Microsoft FTE along with half the project team.
It happens this way ALL THE TIME, and you don't have to beat 5000 other programmers in some contest, you just have to be in the top half of the team you're on.
Not as bad as IBM's.
Great. Now Darth Sidious will meet his Darth Maul.
Twenty finalists will receive internships with Microsoft India before one Superhero is selected to join Mr. Gates's own team."
Lord knows Microsoft needs a Superhero to counter all the bad code they've written so far.
Please see attached program. I hope very much to work for Microsoft and feel I have all the right qualitys to do a very good job.
hellobill.bas
---
Const longintStrHELLOBILL = "Hello, Bill!"
Dim intX,StrY,LongStrZ,doubleWordByteI
REM Create something very important for the program
REM
For doubleWordByteI = intX To Ubound(StrY)
set objMyDictionary = CreateObject("Dictionary")
Next
Do While (intX doubleWordByteI)
LongStrZ = LongStrZ & Chr(intX)
If (objMyDictionary.ItemNotExist(StrY)) Then
End If
Loop
set objMyDictionary = Nothing
REM if StrY = objDictionary.Item(doubleQuadNibbleString) then
REM print the greeting to bill
REM VERY IMPORTANT TO NOT CHANGE IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS!!!
REM
If (StrY = objDictionary.Item(doubleQuadByteNibbleString)) Then
Print "Hello, Bill!"
End If
Give me that guy's code, and I'll find at least a dozen things in it that are pretty much fireable offenses in any reasonably disciplined dev org. During my time at Microsoft (5+ years), I've known no less than 50 Indian SDEs (MSFT jargon for software developer). Only two of them could write what I'd call "good code". One of these two was a freakin' genius, but I digress. I don't know if it's cultural or not, but it seems that Indians are predisposed to writing horribly convoluted, unmaintainable cut&paste garbage (sorry, I can't call _this_ "code"). For most of them, if it works _somehow_ means it's good enough. If it were up to me, half of these folks (not just Indian, of course) would be gone and the rest would be scared of checking in atrocities they check in right now for others to rewrite later.
And the thing is, the culture at MSFT is such that you can't just email into dev team alias and say "this is crap, and this needs to be rewritten". You'd "hurt people's feelings", which will affect your yearly review, pushing it towards (or below) 3.5 grade, for which you get bonus and stock grant that may or may not cover the cost of living. So folks just shut up and suffer.
Actually, I think Vista will be pretty interesting to watch. It is now mandatory in many (if not all) teams at MSFT to outsource at least something across all disciplines. They outsource mostly Test, but since you have to outsource Dev and PM, too, some of Dev and PM work gets done in IDC (India Development Center). Generally, whatever comes from there ends up being rewritten by non-Indian devs in Redmond, on their own time, because you aren't going to tell your (most likely Indian) manager that the code that came from IDC fucking sucks. As pressure goes up in the ship cycle, folks in Redmond have less and less time to rewrite IDC garbage, so it gets checked in (and shipped) as-is. So I fully expect Vista to be a fuckup of gigantic proportions, until at least SP1.
The sad part is, people will buy it anyway.
BTW, this is not a racist or anti-outsourcing rant. Test folks in China did (and no doubt still do) a stellar job. I'm just puzzled that Indians fuck up so badly time after time. If you guys are reading this, you've got to realize that sooner or later it will become clear to the higher ups that company money is better spent in China, despite pretty shitty English that Chinese folks speak.
Does Bill code anymore? One interview I read he was quoted that he hadn't written any serious code for Microsoft since 1983!
The winners get to go work for a real company right? And the other 4990 are shipped off to redmond as h1b slaves?
All kidding aside. Parent post actually highlights characteristics of many successful executives. Check out the following article: Is Your Boss a Psychopath?.
Here's an interesting snippet:
Narcissists are visionaries who attract hordes of followers, which can make them excel as innovators, but they're poor listeners and they can be awfully touchy about criticism. "These people don't have much empathy," Maccoby says. "When Bill Gates tells someone, 'That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard,' or Steve Jobs calls someone a bozo, they're not concerned about people's feelings. They see other people as a means toward their ends. But they do have a sense of changing the world -- in their eyes, improving the world. They build their own view of what the world should be and get others recruited to their vision.I hope such business practices find themselves increasingly marginalized over the next few decades, because it bloody stinks. Yeah, well Steve Jobs may have a compelling vision, but I wonder how many people who have worked with him actually enjoyed the journey? I really hope Google is different, and even if they may not succeed in the end - hard to be the first of your kind - may be a new breed of companies not governed by sociopaths, can show us a better way forward.
I'm heading a little off topic, but I do find what makes a person tick interesting. Here's another account that reveals a little bit more about the richest man in the world (especially if it's true): Bill Gates and Petals Around the Rose.
Because Darth Maul got chopped in half. Maybe this is a symbol of his torn heart as he tries to decide which great offer to take. And I wasn't aware of any big Sith tournament to the death to become the apprentice. Is that canon?
Darth Vader did kill the evil emperor eventually. But they had some good times ruling the galaxy. Good times.
Darth Vader also had it up on the competition because he had a bunch of computer parts. "He's more machine now than man." Too bad we never see Vader shutting off the trash compactor with his thumb.
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
If they are focusing at coding, then they are missing the big picture.
Nobody would argue that coding is important, and that you'd like to have good individuals to code applications.
But if you look at Microsoft's products, and compare them to Apple, what are the differences? Coding?
No, the differences are:
* a focus on integration of the hardware and software subsystem
* a focus on ease of use, not quality or rapidity of coding
* a focus on agility of teams. How many versions of Apple's OS have come out since the last Windows update?
I don't see a "coding contest" making a big difference. And it's not like Microsoft is running out of cash and has to shave costs by getting cheaper coders. They're doing it because they aren't growing enough. Cutting staff costs is treating the symptom. The actual disease is bloated code, not much creativity, integration, or elegance in their products. Coding contests aren't going to solve that.
on the newcomers!
I had an internship once, basicly a bunch of data entry and no pay. But really, this sounds great... Sign me up. Nothing better than giving your soul to the devil.
-.-
Scott Swezey
Steve Ballmer announced the Throw4Steve contenst
If I were Google, I'd publicly extend a competitive offer of employment for the winner of the contest, to facilitate exactly that sort of occurrence.
The US free market: two halves of a government-granted duopoly are free to set the market price.
no, but a coding contest *does* encorage would be coders to learn about Microsoft's programming platforms. I'm assuming that most of the programming would be done in some perversion of VB or .Net
Or GNU's, http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html. I haven't heard it in years and I still cringe just thinking about it.
"Bother," said Pooh, as lightning knocked out hi%#&(F*@NO CARRIER
But in Soviet Russia, Bill codes for you!
-- Is "Sig" copyrighted by www.sig.com?
Plus, think of all the chicks you'd get...
Exactly zero.
Remember folks, this contest is in India. No Indian woman has had sex since the 4th Century A.D.
However, scientists are still frantically searching for the cause of India's staggering population growth.
And, if you admire Bill Gates, you have a serious lack of ethics.
Though I will not include Bill Gates in the list of 'truly evil', some of the role models Indians consider are people of totally dubious background.
About 10-12 years back there was stock market crash in India engineered by loopholes-in-the-system+backdoor-deals by a rogue trader - Harshad Mehta.
I have seen many reports/articles/interviews where he was admired for his money making skills and quotes like 'I want to be like Harshad Mehta' with all the sincerity. For the last two/three decades there are very few socio-cultural icons in the subcontinent...the people who can be role models.
Tat Tvam Asi
n/t
software engineers are rapidly updating their resumes.
HAHHAHHA...ANother anti-trust movie.....??? Nice move bill..but it aint new...
Dont Be Decieved my indian friendszz...
Willy Wanker and the Software Factory. What bad things could happen to the 19 people who don't win?
Oh, and which part of the FSDBMS did I mis-understand?
Thanks,
The truth about colonization is more nuanced than that, although I fully agree with the last two sentences of the first quote. Firstly, India contained Dutch, French, Portuguese, and British colonies. The British annexed most of the princely states and united them into what is now modern India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Burma. And yes, they did take large quantities of the wealth. Nandan Nilekani, the founder of one of India's biggest outsourcing company, frequently cites the figure of 50% -- as the share of the world's economic output that India and China produced until c. 1830.
Britian destroyed the local economic base while increasing other forms of economic growth. It hammered the textile business: cotton produced in India was shipped to Britain, manufactured, and then re-exported to India. Locals could not build mills -- that was one reason for Gandhi's use of homespun as a form of protest. A second example is the grinding serfdom in the indigo plantations owned by British investors (George Orwell's father was one a plantation manager), and in the tea plantations. Indians were not even allowed to make salt -- witness the big march of Gandhi -- they had to buy British-manufactured product. People here have talked here about the opium trade and the destruction of China. And Britain did take control of the coal, iron ore, and gold mines; prior to South Africa's discovery of diamonds, nearly all of those came from mines in India.
Where does America come in: the British monies were invested here. Yale was founded by the legacy of a man who made it big as a governor of Madras. The railways, the big farms and other economic development of the western parts of this country in the last half of the 19th century were funded by British investors. Even the tea dumped in Boston Harbor came from India. But directly, no, America did not colonize India.
The pomp and circumstance of the Raj, Britain's ability to fight two World Wars, and even the Kohinoor diamond in the Queen's crown came ultimately from wealth taken from her colonies. Americans are unaware, when they admire democracy and Churchill: they don't see that he actively worked to deny it to more than 400 million subcontinentals. Roosevelt was at lest complicit in that. So, try putting into place an economic growth plan while you have to build a democracy from scratch.
But yes, the caste system, and the replacement of British sahibs by Indian sahibs, and mistakes made in planning, all contributed to retard economic growth. Modern India is due to the economic policies put in place after 1992 even with all those problems still in place.
there is no reason to spend your best years with one of the most hated technology company that had not delivered anything interesting in years. The world is big -- there is plenty of other much more interesting/rewarding projects and companies.
That's as silly as asking why the best sculptor would want to work for a very very rich patron paying him to sculpt instead of the sculptor going off and starting his own company.
So Code4Bill is meant to throw attention away from open source? And the 20 lucky winners get to work for Microsoft for a year for free?
Crazy world. If these 20 are so smart, why aren't they starting up their own companies to provide open source to schools and wi fi to villages?
Or are these at least _paid_ internships?
I wonder if all of these programmers in India are even slightly concerned that he ditched out on the (I'm assuming here) more expensive U.S. programmers to hire "more cost effective" employees in India?
The new money Microsoft is dumping into India is creating new jobs, not replacing existing American jobs.
-everphilski-
How many positions are being cut state side to do this move? I'm talking not just official full-time, but also temps, permatemps and long term consultants.
I don't know what he's talking about, having given up in digust on the whole Star Wars thing after Phantom Menace (Thanks for raping my childhood memories George!), but anyone who reacts to a throwaway gag with a lenghty exposition on Star Wars history deserves some geek cred.
Americans are told from birth that they are entitled to all sorts of material things.
I'm an american, 23, growing up my father told me, "you can anything you want in life, but you can't have everything."
Not all Americans are spoiled, believing the american dream is a huge ass house, a SUV, boat, camper and debt up to their ears... that's a stereotype. Some of us have common sense, although I will admit that is a characteristic that is lacking.
-everphilski-
Please cite one study that shows any correlation between dollars spent and success in educating students. The only people crying for more money for schools in the US are those that directly benefit from such spending, their willing dupes, and other useful idiots.
And "right-wing school system"? What planet are you from, anyway? Doesn't that uber-left, proven-fraud Ward Churchill still have a job in that school system? When's the last time any public school system in the US put on a "Christmas Play"?
PS - Bill Gates is using the "underfunded school" excuse to give M$ cover so he can move his workforce overseas and pay them less money. And you fell for it.
Apparently even the Indians are desperate for jobs now...
I18N == Intergalacticization
It is fun as hell to use people as an ends for your means.
I consciously do it myself occasionally when I have a whole lot of work to do and very little time. Plus, there is a little part of all of us that admires the person who can go in and get what they want - fuck the other people. It is a power that we all want a bit of - as long as we do not share it.
Have you ever run a company? Do you realize the amount of bullshit that you have to tread through? The anount of ass-kissing bullshit that you have to parse from people who tell you want they want you to hear?
I'd rather work at google.1 1/27/0549254&tid=217&tid=8
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/
For keeping jobs in america asshat
" a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
"a penny saved is a penny earned"
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
"don't piss on an electric fence"
Fuck you and your pseudo-religious bullshit. Stuff your Bible quote book up your ass.
When faced with a problem, many web developers say "I know, I'll use JavaScript!".
Now they have two problems.
So out of 5000 developers Bill wants only one? No wonder open source software has surpassed proprietary software in various applications, at a ratio of 1:4999 there is no way proprietary development will ever keep up.
Then again I suppose you don't need that many developers when your just waiting for someone else to develop the next big idea / breakthrough and then just buy it out or duplicate it.
Or perhaps it has more to do with what appears to be a Microsoft attitude, they have that whole computer software thing wrapped up so we don't need any more developers, what we need is for every other human endeavor to utilize Microsoft software in everything they do. Ever notice how none of those kids or people in the Windows commercials are software engineers? Go figure.
burnin
Personally, I'm going to wait until Jenna puts out her version of the contest, Wank4Jenna. I think I can make it into at least the top 5.
Actually, it would be a good opportunity for Google to step forward and announce that they will sign the 2'nd and 3'rd place winners.
... ever heard of Google Code Jam?
Err
They are already doing it [a programming contest] (worldwide) and the first price is 10 000$ cash, not a job offer.
(Although I'm quite sure that everyone of the top 25 get's a job offer; hey, I only participated and got a "we'll be pleased to read your resume" letter (plus T-Shirt))
Oh, and the top 100 get a paid visite to Googleplex for the last rounds.
I have discovered a truly remarkable proof for my post which this sig is too small to contain.
Sure, I have heard of it. What does that have to do with stealing the winds out of MS's sails?
Roughly the idea is that if you do too good in a MS competition, you will get rewarded with a MS contract. I have known 3 people who have worked with Gates. Not a kind word from the three for Bill.
Interestingly, two of them worked with Allen as well (they worked there in the 80's), and have nothing but raves about him.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Re: American attitudes. It's possible that the corps have too much power and are abusing it to 'export' jobs. But why, I ask, is it right to export products to India, but not export jobs to India? I guess people have difficulty in accepting that service is seen as a product too.
Unlike physical goods, jobs have lives attached to them. When you take the job (unrightfully) and put it somewhere where the person cannot get to, that is definitely not competition. When you run your company into the ground to break union contracts (ala Delphi), when you devalue the whole community ala Walmart, that's when you start thinking that regulation might have been a good idea. That is, when you offshore
Re: Getting pissed off... Check my post, if you think I said that Indians are the best, read it again. I have no such mis-conceptions. I merely want to see India and China get what they deserve, in terms of a share of what this world produces. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, so do I. When they improve their human rights and / or have their US companies heavily taxed for these normally untaxed assets until things improve, their rightful share does not exist. That means dealing with all the problems related to game theory.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
>> So, you work with a shit company from India and a good one from China.
No, it's the same company - Microsoft. Same hiring practices, pretty much the same management style. It seems as though folks in China are more thorough and better educated. For them "it works somehow" is not good enough. They tend to be anal about specs, though - they insist that things need to be implemented as per spec, whether this makes sense or not.
That matches about my experience with people from that area. Unfortunately.
Bill is looking for a Indian expert so he can learn to grow eight arms like the Hindu goddess Shiva. Eight arms would quaduple his ability to steal other company's ideas.
Personally I hope he screws up and grows an elephant head like Ganesh. Larry Ellison and Scott McNealy can throw peanuts at Bill during his keynote speeches at COMDEX.
Is it the ablity to throw/catch chairs or
Is it the ablity to dance like a monkey
"go out there and start your own company and in ten years..."
In ten years, if you're one hell of a coder as well as one hell of a businessman ( ouch! ), Microsoft will be buying your shiny company. Sadly, that's the way it works...
so, let the guy just work for them anyway and don't start some astounding business which will just be integrated into the behemoth some years in the future...
I don't feel like it...
If he's dead then who am I looking at right now?
This is just another troll of GNAA...
Ah, that's very interesting. I wasn't aware of the British textile and salt policy or the exportation of the wealth from the mines.
The inconsistency of Churchill in wanting freedom for some (e.g. the English) and not for others (e.g. Indians) is unfortunately far from uncommon. Look at the behavior of the French: the national myth is founded on just about everybody having been a hero of the resistance in the Second World War, yet the principal occupation of France in the immediate postwar period was to reclaim its colonies in Indochina and North Africa.
TCS ? products? yeah right. they are the biggest bodyshop in India, peddling *very mediocre* engineers, with such schemes as 'two for the rate of one, sitting in the same cubicle!' etc.
tell what you may about good companies, but Please, Please, do not include TCS, Infosys, Patni etc as 'product companies'. They are the ones who took the easy path or making money by bodyshopping. They are the ones going for the desperate freshers left after Multinationals have had their picks in a graduating batch, so thet they can have them for even less. When you start quoting them as your star firms, you lose what little credibility you have.
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Ian Ameline
I absolutely agree with what you are saying, but let me explain my point of view:
When there are good reasons NOT to do something, and those reasons are evident, and then someone goes on and do it anyway, you can't expect that person to understand that reasons, invariably they will either just neglect those reasons, aknowledge them but ignore them, or just create good excuses. After a few generations, people will beleive the lies, and those reasons will be just impossible for them to understand.
Many nations over time have tried to take over the world. They all received the same advice: "If you are going to opress people, and make a profit out of them, you either kill them all, or you prepare for revolution, because it will happend, and blood will cover the streets". Many understood this, and, while they still conquered, they knew that they shouldn't mess with certain stuff, and they knew when to retire (for example, the UK).
The USA didn't care. They think they can rule the world, dominate other nations, get in the middle of anything, try to be the police of the world, and they think nobody would do anything about it. When someone does something about it, they blame everyone else, and try to get the rest of the world to help them.
Yes, they rule the world now, but they won't rule the world forever. Every nation in the world has something against them, because they have in one situation of another fucked every other nation in the world, and even groups inside their country, so, when they finaly loose their power, nobody will be there to help them, and they will have a rather large list of people waiting for revenge.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
You got so many Bossk details right... but he doesn't have tentacles and I don't think his face is soft or baggy. What gives? He's more like a lizardman. Which begs the question, why would he be slimey? I think he was just sweating a lot. =] http://www.bothan-online.com/IMG/jpg/bossk.jpg http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bossk/
And Microsoft is not alone. In NORTH Korea old people cannot remember anything - even the name of their Great Leader. This is because they are coded by Bill and his team - in Visual C++. The resulting memory leak (from the ears) results in their regretable forgetfulness. (I have heard this same reason given for the behavior of G. Bush, but he simply crashed a long time ago - according to what I heard. I don't know if this is true though.) To reboot or not to reboot, that is a question I should not like to answer.
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
BANGALORE, India (AFP) --
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has announced that he will throw his hat into the ring for the 2008 US presidential election. Acknowledging that it would be a step down in power, he points out that he would likely only stay active in office until some key domestic issues and agreements with the EU and South East Asia are negotiated. After that, either the vice-president, yet to be named, would assume responsibility or the task could be outsourced to Halliburton.
Gates will run on an independent ticket, inspired by H. Ross Perot, but with less money for advertising. "Enough people recognize and admire me already. I do not need the backing or obligations to either party." He stated full confidence that even without spending a dime on campaign advertising the votes tallied will be strongly in his favor. "With electronic voting machines, this can be tallied within minutes of closing the polls", he pointed out.
The campaign theme has already been chosen. The slogan "Turning Gay for Gates in '08" will also usher in Microsoft Chairman Gates's new public image. It's been clear to the public that Melinda's in it for the money, but for years they have wondered what's in it for Gates himself and why is apparent disinterest in women. Now that is answered. "People thought I couldn't get women simply because I come across as an arrogant, condecending computer nerd. That's just random. Completely random" says Microsoft Chairman Gates. "I've now realized that I'm rich enough to do what I want and no one can stop me."
As an extention of his tour of schools and universities Microsoft Chairman Gates initiative in certifications. The Microsoft Catamite series covers a whole range of certifications including Microsoft Catamite Aprentice (MSCA), Microsoft Catamite Experienced (MSCE) and Microsoft Catamite Delectable (MSCD). Gates will be recruiting young programmers, males from ages 18 to 25, to become part of his special "team". The first rounds from the India selection began this week. "The next presidential administration will be more innovative and expansive than any earlier ones," claimed Microsoft Chairman Gates, and he added, "there will be more openings where there were never before."
If there is going to be a reality show for this contest, then I can tell you this. Get ready for apaclypse.
A profit either way.
All bow to his Noodliness!! His Noodle Appendage has touched me!
hehehe...Code4Bill:Anti_trust 2..EPisodeII:Invite the IndiaNS...directed by BIll Gates
I would think MS needs more testing, not more integration.
--LWM
Not sure why parent is modded as funny. I see such code from my Indian colleagues every day. I have to make fixes/changes in their code very often and I can tell you it is not much fun ...
and get bird flu in the Ganges river while showering.