Is my Tivo a "hobby" system? Does TomTom only make "hobby" devices ("you didn't get where you're going? Oh well, you know it's just a hobby system, right?"). I guess I shouldn't expect much from the routers, phones, and other devices that have put Linux at the core of their stack. I mean, it's just a hobby, right?
I thought we were discussing Linux on the desktop, not as an embedded OS ?
Please stop talking about bad support of devices in linux, but talk about stupid hardware manufacturers.
Regardless of who's to blame, the fact remains that it's "a problem with Linux on the desktop".
I'm pretty much OS-agnostic. I ran a dual-boot Windows XP/Ubuntu 8.04 system for over a year and found both had their strengths and weaknesses. If I had to choose one OS, it would HAVE to be Windows (and in fact, I just scrubbed Ubuntu from my hard disk at the weekend, leaving Windows XP SP3 as the sole OS). All my musical hardware and software will only work under Windows or OS X and I ain't buying a Mac when I've got a perfectly stable and usable Windows PC already.
Bad device support is the single biggest factor working against Linux adoption on home machines. Not everyone with a PC can perform all their computer tasks using an office suite, browser and e-mail client. Lexmark printer ? Cellphone with only a Windows sync client on the supplied disk ? Ditto for a digital camera. TV tuner card ? Webcam ?
Moving to Linux (or specifically Ubuntu) is not about being able to use Gnome. It's all the little annoyances around the sides that take the real effort. Using a new desktop manager and/or browser is not hard. Familiarity with the way an OS does things takes considerably more time, and when you change versions of Windows, a lot of that hard-earned familiarity is retained.
#include/* This program was one that I thought up, no it was John D that thought it up but I had all the great ideas, like that one about unfolding the loop to save a few cycles under the most common circumstances, but then I suppose he DID come up with the overall plan but hell anyone can do that. Heh reminds me of that time Vera in Team Turtle came up with a plan for a program. But then she really isn't all that great but she came up with it all the same. But John just wrote it down and I supplied all the great ideas which will make Team Gryphen the winners ! Wooooo ! */
"I'm not a cobb or corn, so you can stop butterin' me up. I don't need you to tell me how good my coffee is. I'm the one who buys it, I know how fuckin' good it is. When Bonnie goes shoppin', she buys shit. I buy the gourmet expensive stuff 'cause when I drink it, I wanna taste it."
It is scarcities you should be selling, such as reputation, software support, software customisation, etc.
I still don't get it. What about a suite like OpenOffice.org ? - For 99.9% of users it does everything they need without any updates or modifications. Same for GIMP, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. Who the hell is going to pay a developer even a few days' worth of labour to produce a new feature ? If it's an 'obvious' desirable feature, then what's to prevent you waiting until some other schmuck pays a developer to generate the code for that feature ? All you have to do is simply download the new source/binary which they are duty-bound to release as a result of the GPL.
I really, really want to know the answers, cos I can't work them out.
...Guns 'n' Roses front man Axl Rose has announced that he's starting a forum to let fans decide what the next album will sound like. The plan was hatched in response to the poor reception of the band's last album "Chinese Democracy". So far, postings have included:
mtlhdz4evr: "Just make it so it doesn't suck, man !" RckRietGrrrrl619: "I wanna luv sng. Hugz xxx LOL" ShredKatz: "Buckethed'z the man. He's so fast, dude. More notes this time, yeah ?" AlkyBanger: "YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
This is a key point. User friendly version of Linux like Ubuntu are absolutely easier to install and get working than windows. Most end users buy a computer with a preinstalled OS, and aren't able to reinstall the OS if they have to.
News flash: Only a tiny percentage of home PC users ever have to:
1. Reinstall their OS. 2. Find drivers for the hardware on their PC. 3. Find drivers for their newly-purchased peripherals (it'll be on a CD or on the net).
It doesn't matter a fig how easy and straightforward it is to install Ubuntu - any effort is more effort than sticking with the Windows that came with their PC when they bought it.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all that out.
Oh, and I don't use any anti-virus or anti-spyware software on my Windows system, never mind running only the free-as-in-beer stuff. It's fine, and has been for 2.5 years, thanks for asking.
I'm being serious. One of my friends had a serious habit a few years ago, and he often made the leap from A to Z in the blink of an eye as you did - without any regard for the HUGE YAWNING CHASM OF REALITY in between.
Oh, and then once you've sold it to the secretaries and businessmen, show the musicians how easy it is to run Ableton, Pro-Tools and Reason on a Linux machine so they can use them on stage and in the studio. Oh, wait...
"Stability, security, no more malicious spyware installing itself on your computer and wreaking havoc. [..] No more blue screens of death when you boot up."
The 1990s called - they want their Win9x systems back. I haven't seen a BSOD or "spyware installing itself" for years on a Windows system. Listen guys, these comments are really, really old and weren't too clever when they first appeared, either.
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Is my Tivo a "hobby" system? Does TomTom only make "hobby" devices ("you didn't get where you're going? Oh well, you know it's just a hobby system, right?"). I guess I shouldn't expect much from the routers, phones, and other devices that have put Linux at the core of their stack. I mean, it's just a hobby, right?
I thought we were discussing Linux on the desktop, not as an embedded OS ?
This is a new definition of the word 'hunt'. Unless you count shooting fish in a barrel as 'angling'.
Manufacturer's website -> Support -> Drivers -> Model no -> Windows Version -> Download.
Very few people ever have to install Windows (and its drivers) so your argument holds no water wrt most consumers' experience.
Please stop talking about bad support of devices in linux, but talk about stupid hardware manufacturers.
Regardless of who's to blame, the fact remains that it's "a problem with Linux on the desktop".
I'm pretty much OS-agnostic. I ran a dual-boot Windows XP/Ubuntu 8.04 system for over a year and found both had their strengths and weaknesses. If I had to choose one OS, it would HAVE to be Windows (and in fact, I just scrubbed Ubuntu from my hard disk at the weekend, leaving Windows XP SP3 as the sole OS). All my musical hardware and software will only work under Windows or OS X and I ain't buying a Mac when I've got a perfectly stable and usable Windows PC already.
Bad device support is the single biggest factor working against Linux adoption on home machines. Not everyone with a PC can perform all their computer tasks using an office suite, browser and e-mail client. Lexmark printer ? Cellphone with only a Windows sync client on the supplied disk ? Ditto for a digital camera. TV tuner card ? Webcam ?
Moving to Linux (or specifically Ubuntu) is not about being able to use Gnome. It's all the little annoyances around the sides that take the real effort. Using a new desktop manager and/or browser is not hard. Familiarity with the way an OS does things takes considerably more time, and when you change versions of Windows, a lot of that hard-earned familiarity is retained.
#include /* This program was one that I thought up, no it was John D that thought it up
but I had all the great ideas, like that one about unfolding the loop to save
a few cycles under the most common circumstances, but then I suppose he DID come
up with the overall plan but hell anyone can do that. Heh reminds me of that time
Vera in Team Turtle came up with a plan for a program. But then she really isn't
all that great but she came up with it all the same. But John just wrote it down
and I supplied all the great ideas which will make Team Gryphen the winners !
Wooooo ! */
My band played live on Stars End five years ago. Chuck's one of the nicest blokes you could ever wish to meet.
Music for 18 Coders.
BTW, most guys wouldn't misinterpret the bit about food 'coming' through the speakers...
Just sayin' is all.
I don't think that author understands the meaning of staple.
Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler...
"Your friends X and Y have taken this IQ Test - can you beat their score?"
Actually, it's not necessarily the case that friends X and Y have taken the quiz.
Either that, or one of my friends really did try to send me a James Blunt song. The bastard !
Why do you hate Amer^H^H^Hustralia ?
"I'm not a cobb or corn, so you can stop butterin' me up. I don't need you to tell me how good my coffee is. I'm the one who buys it, I know how fuckin' good it is. When Bonnie goes shoppin', she buys shit. I buy the gourmet expensive stuff 'cause when I drink it, I wanna taste it."
I sometimes sit in the car park at the local McD's and use my netbook without buying any food.
I had a whole bag of Dolly Mixtures last night. If I croak today, I'll leave you my /. Karma in my will.
Ooh! where are the outlets that serve this? Sounds yummy!
Edinburgh, Scotland.
It is scarcities you should be selling, such as reputation, software support, software customisation, etc.
I still don't get it. What about a suite like OpenOffice.org ? - For 99.9% of users it does everything they need without any updates or modifications. Same for GIMP, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. Who the hell is going to pay a developer even a few days' worth of labour to produce a new feature ? If it's an 'obvious' desirable feature, then what's to prevent you waiting until some other schmuck pays a developer to generate the code for that feature ? All you have to do is simply download the new source/binary which they are duty-bound to release as a result of the GPL.
I really, really want to know the answers, cos I can't work them out.
Fractint was indeed a great program. However, are any of these guys making a living for themselves and their dependents through writing software now ?
You lose /. Karma for being an M$ shill.
It was Dorothy Parker who claimed she could create a pun from any word. When challenged with 'horticulture', she coined the phrase above. Marvelous !
...Guns 'n' Roses front man Axl Rose has announced that he's starting a forum to let fans decide what the next album will sound like. The plan was hatched in response to the poor reception of the band's last album "Chinese Democracy". So far, postings have included:
mtlhdz4evr: "Just make it so it doesn't suck, man !"
RckRietGrrrrl619: "I wanna luv sng. Hugz xxx LOL"
ShredKatz: "Buckethed'z the man. He's so fast, dude. More notes this time, yeah ?"
AlkyBanger: "YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
This is a key point. User friendly version of Linux like Ubuntu are absolutely easier to install and get working than windows. Most end users buy a computer with a preinstalled OS, and aren't able to reinstall the OS if they have to.
News flash: Only a tiny percentage of home PC users ever have to:
1. Reinstall their OS.
2. Find drivers for the hardware on their PC.
3. Find drivers for their newly-purchased peripherals (it'll be on a CD or on the net).
It doesn't matter a fig how easy and straightforward it is to install Ubuntu - any effort is more effort than sticking with the Windows that came with their PC when they bought it.
Acer also reported a comparable return rate for Linx based Eees.
Wonderful research ! Can I quote you on that ?
+5 Insightful
Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all that out.
Oh, and I don't use any anti-virus or anti-spyware software on my Windows system, never mind running only the free-as-in-beer stuff. It's fine, and has been for 2.5 years, thanks for asking.
Are you a cokehead ?
I'm being serious. One of my friends had a serious habit a few years ago, and he often made the leap from A to Z in the blink of an eye as you did - without any regard for the HUGE YAWNING CHASM OF REALITY in between.
Oh, and then once you've sold it to the secretaries and businessmen, show the musicians how easy it is to run Ableton, Pro-Tools and Reason on a Linux machine so they can use them on stage and in the studio. Oh, wait...
http://www.system76.com/
From their website:
Why Linux ?
"Stability, security, no more malicious spyware installing itself on your computer and wreaking havoc. [..] No more blue screens of death when you boot up."
The 1990s called - they want their Win9x systems back. I haven't seen a BSOD or "spyware installing itself" for years on a Windows system. Listen guys, these comments are really, really old and weren't too clever when they first appeared, either.