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McDonalds Free Wi-Fi Users Soak Up Seating
bfire writes "McDonalds has earmarked potential changes to seating plans in some restaurants to prevent free Wi-Fi users from monopolizing seating, particularly in peak periods. The availability of Wi-Fi means people are now spending 35 minutes in McDonalds — rather than the average ten minutes that patrons used to spend eating there. But it appears not everyone is happy with the increased 'stickiness' of customers, with some licensees in Australia reporting that Wi-Fi users aren't turning over seats fast enough. The restaurant chain is considering options including space demarcation to deal with the problem."
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I'd suggest McDonalds try dumping coffee on their laps, but they'd probably get sued for millions of dollars.
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Go to Panera Bread. They have free wi-fi there, too. The food is quite a bit better, and healthier, than all that fried and preprocessed crap that McDonald's dishes out,...
I once heard that the reason McDonald's used to outfit its restaurants with hard plastic bench seats colored garish orange and yellow was for that reason -- so you wouldn't want to stick around too long. Has it changed its mind recently?
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What did they think would happen ?, of course people are going to stay longer maybe add more seating or extend the range to cover a larger area so users could sit in their cars and use the WIFI there.
Just a thought
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Even if I did eat McDonalds food there I don't think I like the atmosphere enough to stay. There coffee tastes like piss anyway. With all the great local free wifi around where I live I'd have to be pretty desperate to go there. Simple solution: open up a coffee shop next door.
Let's see...connection time is free, **AA complaints go to McD's IP address, and people stay longer...what are the odds of THAT?
rj
I was at a McDonald's just today and tried to get on the wireless there. Unfortunately, it was a godforsaken Boingo hotspot (same as the ones that I curse at the airport on a regular basis), and the first thing it asked me for was my credit card number. Needless to say, I didn't stick around long...
I never understood what was the point of putting these things in places where turnover is a few minutes. It encourages loitering. It is not like customers pay for refills, or are otherwise likely to buy more product.
Of course the solution is simple. Do what other places are doing. Limit the time. If they want turnover in 10 minutes, make that the time limit. The point stands, though. WiFi in places like this just seems silly. OTOH, I know of places that have gone out of business after they got rid of the WiFi. They did not like hanging around in the afternoon drinking coffee, but those same people also stopped coming around for the evening meal.
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The extra business that Wi-Fi brings in compensates for the decrease in seating, right? Right? I mean they can't possibly be at the stage where they have 92 per cent roll out if having Wi-Fi hurts their business. It's a trade-off and it works, so what are they complaining about?
I'm okay with free wifi at coffee shops and slightly luxirious stores but never at fastfood chains. I tend to avoid fastfood chains with free wifi and the reason is that we often have a hard time finding seats during lunch hours. Some worst cases are people ordering a coffee and using the space for over an hour to the point that they even asked for a renewal in their wifi connection. (Some have a 1-hr access limit so if you're renewing, you had been there for an hour)
Last time I saw McWiFi, it was Windows only and needed some sort of login. I run Linux so no McWiFi for me...
rather than the average ten minutes that patrons used to spend eating there
I only ever sat there for 10 minutes because that's all it took for the diarrhea to activate after eating that addictive crap. Sitting any longer and the chairs would be a different color.
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They don't want sticky customers. The signs in the bathrooms require that employees wash hands. But you know, the last time I was there, no employee would wash my hands... I wanted to complain but people made me leave.
...followed by "Stroke"...
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Their stupid free wifi won't route your packets until a browser from the DHCP leased IP address has clicked "I Agree" on the EULA. Which, ya know, wouldn't be so bad if 1) I was actually using a web browser, I'm not, I just want to get my mail, and 2) the button on the EULA wasn't an image with some unnecessary javascript that doesn't work on my crappy windoze mobile phone.
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Australian McDonalds restaurants are mostly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCafe these now. They have friendlier interiors, provide newspapers and make coffee thats slightly better than it used to be. And, they sell slurpees. Nerd Heaven.
It seems to me that they could have a system set up such that you buy something and you can request a code for minutes of WiFi, maybe every dollar you spend on their product gets you a bonus of five minutes internet time. A combo would be half an hour. That way you don't get the people that just buy a coffee (or even not even buy anything) and stick around for an hour. That should cut the average time down and free up the seats.
I think I've heard of some shops turning off WiFi during rush hours simply because they don't have enough seats and would end up losing customers because people that want what they're selling end up going elsewhere.
PANERA Bread already solved this problem. If you go to a PANERA during peak hours, you get roughly 10-15 minutes of free WiFi, and then you're shut off, at the MAC address level. Thankfully, I have GNU macchanger installed, so I can grab some more time, but they're already doing it programatically.
What's funny is watching someone come in, spill out their entire office on the table (manila file folders, laptop, external number pad and everything), and then get shut off because they sat chatting at the coffee machine for 10 minutes while their laptop was connected, and shut their laptop down, only to stare at me working for 30+ minutes at a time.
Am I breaking the rules? Maybe... but I also buy a breakfast, then a tea, then a lunch in the same 1-2 hours I'm there. I also have WWAN, so if WiFi was turned off, I could still continue to work, without changing anything (all built-in).
McDonalds should just limit the free wifi to 10-15 minutes and be done with it. Oh, and also SHUT IT OFF at the end of the night, so people don't just park in the parking lot and steal your wifi for nefarious means.
As with most of these "problems", the solution is rarely technical. It is usually a political problem that stops the solution from being implemented.
No brainer--but we are talking about McDonalds, aren't we?
Announce a policy of turning off the WiFi when the McDonalds is too full, and post a schedule of the normal times when free access is available. No skin off their noses if they have some extra customers when there are empty seats, eh?
Since this is McDonalds, I feel obliged to note that the nose skin goes into the hot dogs. Does McDonalds serve hot dogs? That's how long it's been since I've eaten there... Wait! Sausage. I'm pretty sure they had some kind of morning sausage, and they can use the nose skin for the sausage. I'm pretty sure--but even more sure that I don't want to know for sure. No one wants to know the truth about sausage.
Actually, I read a couple of books about fast food a few years ago, and these days I don't eat at many fast food places. Must be a coincidence, eh?
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This is the idiocy of how some businesses deal with networking and the internet. First, they offer free. Then they find out when you offer free, people actually use it, and so the same business turns around and gets upset that people are using what you are offering for free?
Yes, people like free wi-fi, and you offered it in order to drum up traffic and hope those customers would buy stuff, which they did. But you like the business it brings in but you don't like those people freeloading on your network and in your seats when you need more people to be buying stuff?
Yo, McDonalds! Suck it up! You put yourself in this position now you have to deal with it like adults. You either have to limit free to like ten minutes of free, which does reduce the number of people who will come in since they might go to the coffee shop down the road, charge access fees, which also reduces walk ins, or accept that your restaurants don't have enough seats any more. You got greedy and wanted to steal some of the coffee shop crowd to your stores and now you are dealing with the fact that two business ideas are conflicting. Coffee shops work well with wi-fi business models because they have comfy chairs and lounges and expect their clientel to pay a lot for coffee and sit down for a while. It's about atmosphere. You have cheap coffee, no atmosphere, and expect to be selling coffee in volume.
I have a feeling Mickey D's is going to come up with stupid artificial rules that it will expect their employees to enforce and it's going to get ugly and moronic before they end the free wi-fi.
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Absolutely true. Also the fact their straws were (don't know if it's still true) a little wider than average so that customers would finish their drinks faster.
Why the heck they would want people to stay in their stores longer now I have no idea. Then again, why the heck anyone who can afford a laptop would want to hang out in their nasty ass stores, let alone EAT there, I have no idea either.
Has it changed its mind recently?
Apparently, but some franchisees are complaining (rightly IMHO) about "too much" turnaround time in their restaurants. The "fast turnaround" has always been a selling point, either stated or implied, for any potential McDonalds franchisee. For those of you who don't know or have never owned a franchise many business details are NOT up to you the owner, but rather are spelled out in your franchise agreement with the franchise owners (i.e. the McDonalds Corporation). So for example, if the franchise owners decide that all locations will now offer fancy coffee then you must pay for and have the necessary equipment installed even if you don't think that such expansion would be worth the cost in your particular location, perhaps a truck stop in the midwest were overcooked eggs and plain black coffee are the "traditional" breakfast. In this case McDonalds has mandated that you provide WiFi access to customers because the marketing drones at corporate have decided that all hip restaurants catering to the under thirty crowd must offer free WiFi to be relevant. However, this may be the first time that a new directive from corporate has conflicted with a long standing element of the core business (which many franchisees count on for their profitability), namely fast turnaround of tables in the dinning area.
Just drive 2m to the next corner. There's plenty of seats.
A simple solution : print an access code on tickets you receive when buying some food. Should only be unique and valid for a couple of minutes. Access code expired ? Buy more stuff or get the hell out ! Solved.
Most of our Libraries don't even have free internet... let alone Wi-Fi.
I've been to Panera Bread and honestly its too crowded for wifi to be any fun. The food's pretty good, for sure, but it's like $25 for myself and my wife to get the soup + sandwich combo, a cookie and soda each.
By comparison, I can go to a McDonald's, and for $4 I can get four McDoubles, which, will not only fill you up, but also keep you pretty regular. Now Panera is pretty good - although their soups are ridiculously salty, but, are they better 6 times better than McDonalds? I think not.
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I've never found a McDonalds around here that has Free wi-fi, all the ones that have it have charged from day one. (All the McDonalds around here are owned by 2 different people.)
The whole point of McDonalds was to get the people in and get them out, as quickly as possible. IF you go to any decently run McDonalds, there will be several times as many cars as there are in any other food place in the area. Those franchises just print money. Putting in wifi just slows down the presses.
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Now that cellular broadband is becoming cheap, public wifi may be on the way out anyway.
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MCD have no fear! you should be able to get a bailout if needed. You are "too big to fail", right? Based on market cap, compared to many of the big 19 banks MCD should be a shoe-in for a bailout. Add in the "Illinois connection" and it is a slam dunk.
Just think, under current government rules, you don't need a "business plan", you just need to be "necessary"... and, who doesn't need food? (No fat jokes, please. I am working under the "too big to fail" theory and need all the help I can get.)
The government can tell McDonalds that you always get more takers for "free" give-aways, and lose customers when you charge/tax more...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
While what you say is true, is also true that franchises make differences when it comes to locations, just look at the menues of McDonalds in different countries. They have the "core" products (BigMacs, Quarter pound -which to be honest, in Chile doesn't make one sense because we use METRIC system hehe-), but they also add different items more according to the culture. I think if they can do that, they could also adjust things like WiFi for places where the local mcdonalds doesn't really need to provide that.
They don't want sticky customers. The signs in the bathrooms require that employees wash hands. But you know, the last time I was there, no employee would wash my hands... I wanted to complain but people made me leave.
If your hands were sticky after leaving the bathroom stall, the employees were right to refuse service.
They made me move my car cuz i was blocking up the drive thru while on my laptop then i couldnt sit in a parking spot cause the signal was to weak, dont gimme a feature and say i cant use it unless im in the store, then later not let me stay in
Tell the users that they can use the wireless until a trap door opens up underneath them and they are dumped into a vat of boiling french fries. Their times are announced by some junior on front counter with a megaphone.
"Come in number 192.168.1.121, your time is up"
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Seriously, set a time limit on 10 minutes per hour per MAC. Who wants to hang around a McDonalds for 50 minutes just to get ten more minutes of WiFi?
Sure a few people could overcome it but hardly anyone that would be at McDonalds.
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How about disabling the wi-fi during peak times when serving food becomes priority #1? You could even post a nice little sign saying something like: "In order to better service you, free Wi-Fi is available from XX:XX to YY:YY."
Or, you know, making the access available with purchases only, for a set period of time according to dollar amount spent. How about 15 minutes for every 5 dollars, with access codes printed right on the receipt? That seems to solve the problems of everyone worth mentioning. Hell they might even make money off the deal (but that's evil and wrong, amirite?)
Hey, I was soaking up some of that seating for more than an hour today. If the try to "demarcate" me out of the way, I might just park outside and not even buy anything. Turns out they haven't figured out how to isolate the wireless signals entirely within the building.
Don't offer free wi-fi. problem solved.
People spend 35 minutes in McDonald's?
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Business offers customers free wifi, which has the twin effects of attracting more customers and some of them staying longer. This is news? In other breaking news headlines, water is wet!
What caught my eye was the last two paragraphs of the article:
The wifi service is backed by a secure internet gateway product from wholesaler earthwave called Clean Pipes, which is there in part to apply McDonalds' Family Friendly policies to the service.
It had so far not detected any major 'red flag' sessions that had to be reported to law enforcement authorities, a representative of earthwave said.
Why isn't the news story here that McDonalds has a program in place to spy on customer's wifi usage, to get customers arrested?
If my phone company were eaves dropping on my conversations to report to the police, I would have a problem with that.
If my ISP were eaves dropping on my internet phone calls or other communications to report to the police, I would have a problem with that.
If a company is offering free wifi connections, obviously the standards are somewhat different than dealing with my own phone company or my own ISP, however I still consider it outrageous and a primary news item that a company *does* have a program in place to spy on communications over their free wifi, one dedicated to having those customers arrested.
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Clearly you do not live in Canada ... now if you will please excuse me, I must get back to winding my cellphone for tomorrow.
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I don't get your point. Probably because I don't live in Canada.
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McDonald's wifi isn't free. Boingo, iPass, etc all federate to Wayport in McDonalds. It is free to AT&T Internet customers, but not the populace at large.
The local coffeehouse uses a distinctly low-tech solution: They removed all the outlets in the seating area. People are welcome to use as much wifi as they want - until their battery runs out. While that's usually longer than the 15 minutes being talked about here, it seems to have solved the table availability problem for them.
Does Slashdot suddenly have an icon for McDonalds, of all things? All fast food is shit, but McDonalds is the king of shit. Why did someone decide to take the time, whether it was a minute or an hour, to create an icon for that shithole? Just resize a stock photo of some fat-ass walking down the street and call it a day.
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Well then.. what do you call a Quarter pounder in Chile?
Nasty? I've always chosen McDonald's when I needed a fast food joint that would have a clean restroom. The food is mediocre, but at least consistent from place to place (ignoring menu alterations overseas, etc). I was given to understand that any free time is supposed to be spent cleaning to preserve appearances and so that when their (generally short term) help eventually has money, they will remember how clean an establishment they have to clean vs those who know what the cooks used to get away with in their day and stay away.
And they did not account for this?
Sounds short-sighted from here. No judgment, just facts that were observable from many other's comments.
Are 'that' many businesses so stupid to think that 'wifi', or 'connected to the internet' will save their business model?
That's sad, from the PHB's input being so valuable.
Either offer wifi to boost business, or stay with your 'move as many consumers as possible in x-time' model.
If you are doing your job as a PHB, this should be a 'no-brainer'.
If not, then your dumb ass should be fired to make room for someone with a clue.
Hint: the 'business world' is changing...dramatically, and by the second...not even by the 'minute'. Get 'on' it, or 'under' it, the choice is yours....'sink, or swim'...
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Who makes these decisions?
Buying more seats sounds like the best solution to me.
Make sure that trap door comes supersized, this is McDonald's after all.
One could argue that "The human body has evolved to eat some genuinely sick stuff". Then again, the human body has also evolved for us to live long enough to pass on our genes and help our progeny become independent - that's less than 30 years - anything beyond that is not a significant evolutionary advantage.
Notice how the predominance of cancer is much higher in societies where the average life expectancy is higher than 30 years old ...
I for one, would like to live a long time and be as healthy as possible during that period - hence being selective with food is important.
Basically:
If it looks like a cauliflower, a pea, broccoli or a Brussels's sprout then it probably is a cauliflower, pea, broccoli or a Brussels's sprout.
If it's mashed paste of stuff, optionally cooked or baked (like bread, hamburgers, sausages, mash potatoes) then all bets are off and anything can be mixed in.
The more processed a piece of food is, the more likely it's full of all sorts of things that won't harm you on the short term (if it outright killed you or harmed you the manufacturer would be sued and closed) but might harm you on the long term (good luck proving the link between some artificial additive that was in those hamburgers you use to eat when you were a teen and the colon cancer you got 10 years latter).
If you want good healthy food, go for fresh vegetables (and fruit, meat and fish) instead of the processed kind.
If there are fairness issues, just enable MACs (not the Big ones:) for 30 min per hour. Yes, 'leet gekes can get 'round this easily, but a few leeches isn't the problem. If someone complains moderately justifiably, reset the router.
Of course put in fine print (limited to 30 minutes) to minimize the justifiable whining and make the leeches come out where you can pour salt on them. Not all customers are worthwhile. Some need to be told not tot return/trespass. If you resemble this and the allusion offends you, good. You offend others (often deliberately) and need to feel what you inflict. Fortunately, this probably occurs frequently.
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sure sodium should be balanced with sufficient potassium and you can get too many calories by eating too much of any food, but when your food has ingredients that are poisonous, that is they intrinsically cause health problems, and there is no reason for their consumption, this should concern you.
And you are just part of the problem.
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To maximize seating efficiency at peak times, in Korea McDonalds apparently has ushers that will place customers in empty seats next to other customers.
Choice of music is another tool commonly used to influence how long customers stay. At peak times, they'll play up-beat songs. At off-peak times they'll play more soothing music to encourage people to hang around longer, so as to avoid having the place look like a ghost town.
And there's always the 'Can I take your tray sir/madam' line when they're getting desperate. I get that one a lot when I'm half-finished, annoys the crap out of me. So I like to chew, what's wrong with that?
You're not talking about the food, are you?
That is probably true for the hard plastic seats, but I've read somewhere that the colours they use are supposed to make you hungry. I think it was yellow, orange, red and possibly beige that were the "hungry" colours.
Well then.. what do you call a Quarter pounder in Chile?
McRoyale with cheese, motherfucker?
Then stay at McDonald's....with your offspring.
Not all of us want subjected to that shite.
(I cannot be more sympathetic, diplomatic, or politically correct than that)
Why should I be subjected, without choice, in a public place to the detriments, and discourtesy of your offspring and your lack of parenting skills?
The 'cliche' of "children should be seen, not heard" has good merit, IMO.
Your 'kids' may be 'darlings' to you, but they are not 'darlings' to me, and many like me.
I got a vasectomy for a reason.
Your brats do not supersede that, whatever you may think.
Do the world a favor and teach your kid[and yourself] some manners, and the concept of respect... If your parents did that for you, then this conversation wouldn't even be happening.
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There was a Slahsdot article a few years ago about a coffee shop that got rid of it's free wifi and found that sales and profits when up as all the seat blockers buggered off somewhere else to get their free bandwidth from.
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You know how when you're done eating the waiter or waitress usually comes over to ask if you want either (a) dessert or (b) the check? They're not trying to make conversation with you, they want you to either spend money or get out of the chair.
There are a lot of nice coffee shops where they won't do that, they make you feel at home, etc. But not all of them are like that, and in what way is preferring a paying customer to one who's already finished indicative of scumbaggery?
"Goat head"...wonder if they taught you that when you got one of your many degrees :P
Stop offering free Wi-fi.
Seems that it's a net cost. The extra custom doesn't cover the increased cost of requiring more tables. Not quite sure what the point is.
First of all, I've never heard of Panera Bread, and there's definately not one local to me.
Think 'Starbucks' for submarine sandwiches.
Nothing special, just expensive and "!KNOWN!!", or something.
For a 'semi-valid' and potentially repeatable comparison:Panera Bread is here, which is also next to Hasting's.
They are 'next door' and within walking distance of the Oklahoma State University campus.
On the surface, they seem different, but the bottom line?
1. Market the same clientèle.
2. 'Designer_value-added_Only-We-Have-This, synergistic, consumer aware, against the leveraged whatever' food and drinks.
3. Hasting's has books, games, music, and movies. Oh yeah, and software.
My point is that in any town/township, city, whatever...if there is a college/university present, there will be many places to provide caffeine, entertainment, alcohol, and wifi. (Not necessarily in that order, YMMV)
Sorry for the 'tangent rant'.
You are not missing anything unless you are a fan of 'franchise' type fast-food establishments.
They do offer several combos on several different breads, with choice of":LJU{PIOAHP{UIORHEA:OUWhfsOLWIUKFV
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I'm a geek just like most other Slashdotters but my experiences of going into coffee shops (I can't remember the last time I went to a McDonald's) is that the people using wi-fi in there tend to be ignorant social misfits, usually students, who are just showing of their new Mac laptop and who sprawl out across 4 seats so that nobody else can sit down - whilst drinking one small cup of the cheapest coffee they can buy but spreading it out over 4 days.
Personally, they don't look much to me like people with such busy lives that they can't disconnect themselves from the Internet for 30 minutes and go take a break - hell, maybe even go with a friend and have a C-O-N-V-E-R-S-A-T-I-O-N, or even just read a book.
The solution is to have two distinct areas, one with wifi and one without - let the misfits pose to each other in the wifi zone whilst the part of the human race that still has communication skills and social awareness goes in the other one.
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If you set the DNS to OpenDNS on router level and block outgoing DNS traffic from clients (mostly not needed), set it very strict, e.g. no piracy sites, no porn (obvious), not even lingerie, no proxies (so they can't bypass), most of sticky and shameless give up in about 10-20 mins.
Oh if they say you are censoring? Well, they can subscribe to Cell company 3G and even EDGE and use their _own_ bandwidth for whatever they do. It is a public/free service, "a privilege, not a right" in IRC fashion.
http://www.opendns.com/
I know you can achieve all with own stuff but opendns is just couple of clicks and please don't tell me how to bypass it with direct IP etc. I know.
Have you ever wondered why bus stops have such pathetic seating? It's usually just a piece of metal not much thicker than an outstretched palm (OK, this is not very common, but it can be like that). The reason is that they don't want vagrants occupying the seats - certainly not over a long period of time. McD can solve their problem very easily. Just make the seating in the wifi enabled parts of their restaurant really, really crappy. People won't linger for long that way.
Recently McDonalds decided to race with Starbucks etc. coffee shops. It is also related to "fast food" phobia, like 150 mg of caffeine won't really break anything :)
So, free Wi-Fi and attempts to change decoration etc. are all related to it. They also attempt to offer local tastes in hamburger form which are generally slower to eat.
IMHO McDonalds is also thinking about "...must read... while eating something..." people which includes me :) Well, for that, cell phone+rss reader is enough.
Bullshit. There is no such thing as "empty calories". That very concept is on par with those who sell you some holistic natural salt based on claims that its mollecules are more jagged like the natural ones, not round and unnatural like the industrial made ones. Or on par with the audiophile-grade network cables. It's bullcrap for idiots who want to feel all superior about their nutrition, but aren't actually smart or educated enough to understand nutrition.
For a start pretty much any animal meat will contain the same aminoacids (in its proteins) as your body is made of. There is very little you can do, short of incinerating that meat to a fine ash, to destroy those and be left with "empty calories."
Do you understand that? There is no fucking thing that McDonald can do to a piece of beef or chicken (while still keeping it edible at all) to stop it from having the exact same 20 aminoacids that your body uses or needs.
Also your body is very good at synthetising various things from various other things. E.g., sugars get turned into fats and viceversa. (Which is why Atkins works or why drinking will give you a fat liver.) E.g., over half the aminoacids can be synthetised from other stuff, and viceversa.
Even "empty calories" would still have their use, since the above synthesis takes energy, same as anything your body uses. It has to come from somewhere.
But again, there is no such thing as "empty calories". There are sugars, fats, proteins, etc, which incidentally your body can all burn to energy. Or use in other ways.
"Different types of calories" and storing the different types as fat? Do you even know what a calory is, junior? Or what fat is? It's the same fat stored in your cells either way. If your body can convert something into fat, it will be the same fat which is used as an energy reserve. As the _same_ kind of energy reserve, as it'll get converted into glucose first when it's needed as fuel.
There is no such thing as storing, say, vitamins or proteins as fat for later.
So do yourself a favour. If you want to talk about nutrition, read about nutrition, not sensationalist pseudo-science or sensationalist propaganda.
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I only buy food from MacDonalds when I need wifi. :)
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Man, what type of McDonalds do you go to?
Have you missed an "out" or just a comma? :-/
It may be free in every other fucking nation, but the last time I tried to use McDonald's Wifi service here in the US, it wasn't exactly free. I had to sign up for a $20-a-month account on their damned service just to use Wifi access.
As much as I love their Southern Style Chicken sandwiches, screw McDonald's. I'll go eat somewhere I can get truly free Wifi.
I'm going to Krystal.
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That's Taco Bell today. Except the movable chairs grate on the bathroom tile they decorate with.
My wife and I just opened a frozen yogurt shop* and when I asked about installing wifi she gave a big thumbs down--she wants people to get their yogurt and move on.
So I installed wireless speakers that broadcast at 2.4 GHz to "Jam" the wifi from the coffeehouse next door...
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I sit in my car and use their free wifi... Much more comfortable than those hard plastic seats, better cup holders too.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
Well, for one, they have a large number of people hopping on and off their network, and they don't maintain a constant business relationship with them which would help them identify rogue or criminal users. And on top of that, a little self-regulation to catch criminals will help them ward off legislation like this which is a Stasi-like surveillance boot-up-the-ass that has support in both parties.
And here's a question for you. Who the hell do you think you are using someone else's network for free and then complaining that they check up on your behavior from time-to-time? This isn't your ISP. This is a private business which is giving you free access to their wireless for your personal enjoyment.
Yes, tragedy of the friggin commons -- if you don't charge by the unit, people use more than others around them would like. Only a goldfish would see this as a revelation ... encountering the same plastic castle and being shocked every time -- "hey, look, a castle!"
Guess what? In Taiwan, the WiFi in McDonald charge for 1 NTdollar(about 1/33 buck) per MINUTE!!
That's why I always freak out & wet my pant when I accidentally got online in McDonald. LoL
Ha ha.
They need to have WiFi, because Ronald is part of Team Evil. (Dumb down the populace electronically as well as nutritionally; the two play well off each other, after all. --Crap passes through the blood brain barrier when cells are excited by microwave EM. What are those shakes made out of again. . ?) But when your brain staples conflict with your other brain staples due to a simple seating issue, well. . , what a quandary!
They should make a video game where the clown must run around trying to juggle this impossible situation.
-FL
Have you missed an "out" or just a comma? :-/
. . . eating out the waiter or waitress . . .
Man, what type of McDonalds do you go to?
While from a human health perspective, free range chicken and cows seem the "natural way to go", it does use a lot of land and land use is a big factor in greenhouse gasses. Conversely, the industrial chicken coop could store thousands of chickens in a rather small, almost hermetically sealed building.
This is my sig.
McD's works because the coffee and food is cheap.
Coffee shops work because you CAN get a $1 coffee, if you like.
Free wifi at more expensive locations doesn't really work except for a quick email check. You aren't really expected to sit there for 4 hours and work without ordering extra food.
My company meets at a coffee shop owned by a friend, but we do it during non-peak periods and try to buy coffee, snacks and a few meals to "rent" the space.
Offering something other than food results in people doing things other than eating. News at 11.
I'm stationed in Japan, and if you walk into any McDonalds after 9pm, it will be packed with teenages and college students all with their laptops up and running connected the Wi-Fi. I wonder why we are so behind as far as the technology
Why doesn't MickeyD's just choke off the bandwidth a bit. People will become impatient as they're lagging ass in WoW or checking their email. Sounds like a viable solution to me.
Stupidity only gets you so far, then you've gotta try
jeeze whats next... can they slashdot, the slashdot? http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=mcdonalds+free+wifi
Please mod parent down... outright ignorant.
"There is no such thing as storing, say, vitamins or proteins as fat for later."
Really, theres no way to store vitamins? How about fat soluable vitamins like E? Try eating polar bear liver, see how that works for you.
Also the concept of an empty calorie is a source of calories without much in the way of micro nutrients (vitamins & minerals).
You are correct that it is more difficult to store up vitamins (especially water soluable, why do you think you pee funny after eating asparagus?), however this fact only makes avoiding eating foods that provide high calorie (carb, fat, and/or protien) low micro-nutrients more important.
To add additional complications a calorie is a calorie, but the delivery method does matter. Calories from saturated fat Vs poly-unsaturated is kinda like nicotine from a unfiltered cigarette Vs a patch. You get some additional stuff thats bad for you in the first cases.
INANutrionist, just a fat guy trying not to be.
To be fair the rant about jagged salt totally spot on.
They should just do whatever Starbucks is doing.... they're already stealing all the other ideas, i'm sure Starbucks has it all figured out already. I rarely sit around there for long anymore either - seems like all the chairs are always broken, the tables wonky or missing and generally it's uncomfortable to stay for very long.
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
I ROFL'ed at BigMACAddress.
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
So McDonald's started offering Wi-Fi to get people into the restaurants and staying for longer to hopefully buy more food... And now they're upset that people are coming into the restaurants, staying longer, but not really buying more food.
Why not offer discounts on food for people who've been in the store/using the Wi-Fi for more than 15 minutes? Like, if you came in, got a value meal, and have been using the Wi-Fi for some period of time, you can get something like half off of whatever, or free fries and drink with another sandwich. Or the Wi-Fi users have dibs on the old/unused fries or sandwiches before they get pitched after x amount of time.
Yep. The kid-friendly factor is key. I like Panera Bread, but I have yet to see a single one with a kid's "play place" in it.
There's also the related issue, that if you actually want some uninterrupted time to USE a wi-fi connection and read news, email, etc. while your kid is with you, you're NOT going to get it unless they offer things to keep your kid occupied at the same time.
I can't imagine taking even the most well-behaved kid to a regular restaurant, and expecting him/her to just quietly sit there, bored out of his/her mind, while I crack open my laptop and start reading and replying to messages, chatting with people on IM, or anything else.
Make sure you pick a tasty bread because that's all you will be eating !
They are ridiculously lean (and expensive) on stuff that turns 'two pieces of bread' into a 'sandwich'.
Then again they are "Panera Bread" and not "Panera Sandwich"
Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion, you must set yourself on fire.
Your reply here is appreciated, ion.SIMIAN.c:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929
AND, here also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27931741
APK
I like Panera, but honestly is it really healthier on the whole than McDonalds, unless a person is one of those Birkenstock wearing organic hippies? You can make bad and good food choices at each. Panera's fancy sandwiches are loaded with calories and carbs compared to a quarter pounder. There are healthier options available at McD also like grilled chicken, salads, yogurt parfaits.
Don't turn science into a religion.
Just as "soft" science can't find clear 100% correct answers, the "hard" science can't even figure out the real world to the degree that we can understand math or computer science.
I could know everything there is to know in science; but I'd still know relatively nothing.
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See subject-line, because you are NOT qualified to advise on anything.
In regards to THAT? Others reading can see here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929
AND, here also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27931741
APK
Which McDonalds in the US offer free wifi ? From what I can see you must sign up with AT&T ,Boingo or Ipass.
I am impressed indeed. You're giving this guy a run for his money on posts in this story that don't seem to have any point.
what do you call a Quarter pounder in Chile?
Yesterdays burrito.
>Has it changed its mind recently?
I don't know about that, but it does seem to be experimenting a bit. Two of the McD's here in Fort Collins, Colorado have definitely gone upscale in their decor. No garish orange/yellow benches here. Trickling water fountains and library-like atmosphere is the norm there. The benches are still hard, though.
That's nothing compared to the McDonalds in Tokyo. After the train stations close down at midnight McDonalds becomes a 200 yen hostel.
Where pipes, like everything else there, are fat.
1 (short ton / firkin) = 89.1432354 slugs / keg
While this is true to an extent, even in the US McD's can have wildly different menus and layouts.
i.e. Many midwestern McD's can have up to 15 things on their value menu, while the ones around here (metro area) have 9. The ones here also have flatscreens all over with cable news running, but no WiFi.
I really only read the grandparent post because I had problems parsing your sentence "You know how when you're done eating the waiter or waitress". I don't usually do that.
Canada has some of the most expensive cellular broadband rates in the world ... if not THE most expensive. On top of that, our phones tend towards the antiquated and the under-featured, our networks are old and spotty, and our telcos are masters of creative billing. We are quite lucky in one way though ... we will be getting the G1 sometime this summer. I just hope they don't disable every single feature that makes the Google OS worth having.
In our current backwards situation, it has occured to me many times that RIM was probably created so that the Canadian creator would have a phone that didn't need a spark plug,..
In B.C., our fascism is green.
The deal was for Wayport to service Nintendo Wi-Fi connections at participating McDonald's restaurants, but that agreement expired.
http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2008/05/28/free-wi-fi-for-ds-no-more-at-north-american-mcdonalds-now/
I suppose that in order to accommodate the additional WIFI squatters, they will tear down the playgrounds and extend the dinning area. Too bad kids, grownups like the new coffees and internet chat.
"The fact that he's made some goofy comments" - by DrgnDancer (137700) on Wednesday May 13, @01:25PM (#27940285) Homepage
He has, & you have NO idea (& how long he kept it up, see here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27792899 IF you have the patience that is, just to see how long (because I post the specifics, with quotes from ion.SIMIAN.c below) + what he said that TRY to 'troll me')
Now, despite his demanding I prove a few things which I have for he by request no less?
Ion.SIMIAN.c runs away from the SAME questions here, albeit this time, from myself directed to he -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930695 and that only tells me how to attack/retroll him (because he has done this 2x to myself now, & I show this below in fact... &, it is QUITE enough, time to send it back, his way is all).
Nothing against YOU man, really... I just want YOU to see WHY I did this is all!
I.E.-> It's just to get him to face up to his b.s. & answer a simple question, & provide some proofs of his claims here is all... fighting fire, with NUCLEAR bombs is my policy, (& I'll give anyone a single chance at that, but when they come @ me again & again, as I show he has in THIS VERY POST below? No more!)
Proof he admits this? Here:
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http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27825529
"I did this the very first time that I closed a thread with you" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Monday May 04, @10:20PM (#27825529)
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& here:
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http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27801111
"You and I have already talked about your accomplishments. You've demonstrated none of the knowledge that you claim to have." - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Saturday May 02, @05:43PM (#27801111)
Beg to differ, see the last URL I posted below in my "p.s." section... it only further serves to prove ion.simIAn.c a liar even more.
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After his saying THIS to me, & he has done nothing in 22+ yrs or more around these machines worth noting, of which I provided a TRUCKLOAD of that to he, in response to his accusations directed MY way (false ones no less):
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http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27811055
"You're lazy. You appear to be ignorant." - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Sunday May 03, @08:47PM (#27811055)
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Well, based on ion.SIMIAN.c's lack of accomplishment in this science:
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http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27801111
"I've been using computers since the Tandy 1000 TL. That one was produced in... 1986" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Saturday May 02, @05:43PM (#27801111)
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vs. my own (only partial list), here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929
?
He is no programmer, though you see he claim he is in those URL's above, and yet he asked for proof of that from myself, I provided it... ion.SIMIAN.c however, by the same token when asked to do the same? HAS NOTHING & cannot back up his claims... & all I asked for, was proof of his claim that he is indeed, a professional programmer. He clearly, is not.
"Nuff said..."
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question
We still call it quarter pounder (Cuarto de libra con queso, in spanish). But I honestly believe very few people know why is called that way. They just assume is the burger's name.
cuarto de libra con queso. chuchaetumadre! more or less
Last I was at a local one with my laptop I had to pay. Not that I would, caused me to shutdown and go home. Is that just a local thing or has the policy changed at all locations?
Those who can, do.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27938313
This is from the FIRST time "ion.SIMIAN.c" tried to troll me, & fell FLAT ON HIS FACE, & ran:
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"I've already "gotten the better" of you. I did this the very first time that I closed a thread with you" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Monday May 04, @10:20PM (#27825529)
Oh, really? Is that why you RAN from these 3 simple questions there:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1061185&cid=26161101
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Answer this simple set of questions, enumerated 1-3 below, since you said the "Gigabyte IRAM is a 'finicky piece of trash'" etc. et al on your part:
After all, you said this, here, in this very discussion:
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http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1061185&cid=26102285
"Heh. The i-RAM is a finicky chunk of trash."- by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Saturday December 13, @09:55AM (#26102285)
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So, since you said that? Well, back it up, vs. these 3 simple questions you now refuse to answer:
1.) Does the IRAM run on Windows reliably? ANSWER = YES...
2.) Does the IRAM run on Linux reliably?? ANSWER (per your sources no less) = NO...
3.) Since the IRAM runs on Windows well, but not Linux, well... what is the "piece of trash" here (what is it YOU called the IRAM? A "finicky piece of trash"??)??? ANSWER (obviously) = LINUX...
Ah, yes: Nothing like trashing another "arstechnica wannabe", publicly, online... & your SILENCE vs. those questions? IS GOLDEN... lol!
APK
P.S.=> As the saying goes? "TOO easy"... apk
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AND, Just like there? You are running from SIMPLE questions, here in the url in my p.s. below!
Who are you trying to fool here?
Clearly, once more/again - YOU PLAYED YOURSELF with another lie, or rather it seems in YOUR case, ion.SIMIAN.c, a delusional mind on your part... because anyone can see you RUN LIKE A BEYOTCH from valid questions you screw up on, badly... above, & in my p.s. below!
(ROTFLMAO... "too easy")
APK
P.S.=> He's certainly NOT a programmer (though he CLAIMS HE IS, & evidently, not much of a techie even either per the IRAM exchange above as well) because, after all?
Well, he asked ME for proof of that on my part, & I freely provided it... however, you ask ion.SIMIAN.c to do the same? You get evasions, like here (@ least 6-7 times now he has evaded this no less) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929 ... TOO easy! apk
"The fact that he's made some goofy comments" - by DrgnDancer (137700) on Wednesday May 13, @01:25PM (#27940285) Homepage
Just more proof of his trolling me, AND SCREWING UP in the doing of it (for YOUR reference & as to why I am "retrolling him", albeit w/ his own mistakes & evidences of his lack of technical expertise in this field)...
This is from the FIRST time "ion.SIMIAN.c" tried to troll me, & fell FLAT ON HIS FACE, & ran:
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"I've already "gotten the better" of you. I did this the very first time that I closed a thread with you" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Monday May 04, @10:20PM (#27825529)
Oh, really? Is that why you RAN from these 3 simple questions there:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1061185&cid=26161101
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Answer this simple set of questions, enumerated 1-3 below, since you said the "Gigabyte IRAM is a 'finicky piece of trash'" etc. et al on your part:
After all, you said this, here, in this very discussion:
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http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1061185&cid=26102285
"Heh. The i-RAM is a finicky chunk of trash."- by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Saturday December 13, @09:55AM (#26102285)
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So, since you said that? Well, back it up, vs. these 3 simple questions you now refuse to answer:
1.) Does the IRAM run on Windows reliably? ANSWER = YES...
2.) Does the IRAM run on Linux reliably?? ANSWER (per your sources no less) = NO...
3.) Since the IRAM runs on Windows well, but not Linux, well... what is the "piece of trash" here (what is it YOU called the IRAM? A "finicky piece of trash"??)??? ANSWER (obviously) = LINUX...
Ah, yes: Nothing like trashing another "arstechnica wannabe", publicly, online... & your SILENCE vs. those questions? IS GOLDEN... lol!
APK
P.S.=> As the saying goes? "TOO easy"... apk
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AND, Just like there? You are running from SIMPLE questions, here in the url in my p.s. below!
Who are you trying to fool here?
Clearly, once more/again - YOU PLAYED YOURSELF with another lie, or rather it seems in YOUR case, ion.SIMIAN.c, a delusional mind on your part... because anyone can see you RUN LIKE A BEYOTCH from valid questions you screw up on, badly... above, & in my p.s. below!
(ROTFLMAO... "too easy")
APK
P.S.=> He's certainly NOT a programmer (though he CLAIMS HE IS, & evidently, not much of a techie even either per the IRAM exchange above as well) because, after all?
Well, he asked ME for proof of that on my part, & I freely provided it... however, you ask ion.SIMIAN.c to do the same? You get evasions, like here (@ least 6-7 times now he has evaded this no less) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929 ... TOO easy! apk
"Would you like wi-fi with that?"
Do it like they have it here, in the USA (or at least my city). Charge for it, if that is a problem.
Feel like I'm watching Pulp Fiction.
Everytime I go there they have this pre-view thing and they want to charge like 5 bucks for a half hour, like I'd spend a half hour in McDonalds let alone pay for it.
71.207.228.227 = ion.simon.c
While what you say is true, is also true that franchises make differences when it comes to locations, just look at the menues of McDonalds in different countries.
Afaict mcdonalds gives far more freedom to it's international subsidaries than is given to franchises within a country.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
LMAO, "TOO easy" - It worked to "flush you out of hiding" - See subject-line above!
See - many times trolls like you, once caught, will do /., in a "filtered" mode (E.G.-> Instead of "UNCUT & RAW", which sees "A/C" posts) to basically set us "A/C's" on ignore (like many forums boards are capable of)...
AND, sure as there's God in heaven? That little trick, did the trick!
Especially to show us all you are merely ignoring facing up to the questions here above Linux + Windows & the Gigabyte IRAM (where you trolled me first & lost miserably on a simple concept no less -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1230601&cid=27944933 and here (where you refuse to prove you are a programmer and tons of your technical mistakes are listed also) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1229883&cid=27930929
You really are quite stupid, & easy to manipulate! Hubris is your undoing, along with lies apparently (else why avoid the 2nd URL), & lack of technical skill as well as basic logic in the 1st url above.
I.E. -> Now, so you know? IF you would have continued ignoring my posts, and didn't answer, here in falling for that bait? I'd probably never would have bothered posting your way again to get you to see those, but now?
LMAO... now I know you do see my posts, "A/C" or not, & it's proof you are dodging them.
(LOL, so thanks - your answer here? It simply functions as proof that YOU are afraid to "face the music" in those posts where you refuse to provide proof of your being what you claim, & also that you absolutely screwed up the 1st time you "trolled me" on the IRAM)
Thanks for being easy to "flush out"... and being easy to "socially engineer"/manipulate!
APK
P.S.=> HUBRIS - & yours IS "getting the better of you" in THIS case, & your lack of technical skill + simple logic that you blew it on does in the 1st URL above, as well as your lack of honesty in the 2nd url... "TOO easy"... apk
Per my subject line above, answer my questions below about the IRAM & also if you are a professional coder (need proof, after all, you asked it of myself & I provided it, easily & freely - strange you do not (NOT))
Especially now that we all can see you are evading them (gee, I wonder why? NOT!), & especially after I quite EASILY manipulated you into giving away the fact that you DO see my "A/C" posts here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1230601&cid=27948295 , so all your evading answering my questions below only shows that you HAVE been evading them (too easy to flush you out, hubris IS your undoing)
That all proven? Now, quit evading my questions below, & just answer the questions below that I asked, since you see my posts!
(& also, tell us, won't you (lol) how the Gigabyte IRAM is a "finicky piece of trash" when it operates reliably in Windows, but not in Linux (according to you @ least) - gee, I wonder what the 'piece of finicky trash' is (not Windows & the IRAM, but it seems rather your "OS of choice" in Linux & its SATA device access)...
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First, prove what you claimed about yourself, in your allegedly being a professional programmer (because all your errors from the past week now & more don't show any of us you are that is certain, lol!) & tell us more about the Gigabyte IRAM being a piece of trash (it works on Windows, but not Linux according to YOU @ least, so what is the "trash" here? Obviously the OS you use & its SATA access most likely).
"I'm a programmer." - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Saturday May 02, @11:17PM (#27803057)
Really? Prove to us you are a professional programmer, ion.simIAn.c, won't you?
After all, you CLAIMED that you are above, & demanded others do so as well, here:
"You claim that you're a professional. Prove it" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Sunday May 03, @08:52PM (#27811101)
Ok, same question you asked ME to prove & I did, via the "My Name is Ozymandias" lists below you no longer question (along w/ other proofs I gave you but when YOU are asked for the same proofs? YOU RAN!)
See the lists below (contact the magazines, publishing houses, or software companies involved @ your discretion, if you wish)... because it truly IS a pleasure watching you stick your foot in your mouth, each time you falsely accuse myself & others here. Now, "professional" technically means getting PAID to do a job, right?
That's there below in the "My Name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" list, in fact, 1st entry... and, I've answered ALL of your questions (the ones that matter, & I did so, w/ out writing out a book to do so), here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27806379 & here also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1219095&cid=27853857 so, answer mine (stop dodging them, or @ least admit you screwed up on the IRAM and lied about being a professional coder).
Funniest part is? When I and others (MEK_LoveBug) asked YOU to prove YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL PROGRAMMER, as you claimed you were? You RAN, lmao!
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"Google failed to find any offical mention of your work with Russinovich" - by ion.simon.c (1183967) on Monday May 04, @10:57PM (#27825779)
GOOGLE didn't fail, YOU DID (as usual, per this reply AND the list of your screwups here I enumerate below in this exchange)...
See this -> http://www.pcmech.com/article/defragging-the-windows-page-file/ (& the comment by "SuperFluid" there)
YOU can't even
It seems to me that they could have a system set up such that you buy something and you can request a code for minutes of WiFi, maybe every dollar you spend on their product gets you a bonus of five minutes internet time.
Good idea, but I don't know how well it would work.. since I believe that many AT&T DSL customers get AT&T WiFi at McDonalds locations as part of their home DSL plan. These customers shouldn't have to purchase McD's food since they already pay for the WiFi with their AT&T plan.
AT&T put this plan together to entice more customers to their DSL plans, and McD's wanted more people in their restaurants ( at the time they embraced this idea, anyway ).
BTW, these AT&T WiFi Hotspots are also available at Starbucks and other places.
If it has tires or tits, it will give you problems.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1230601&cid=27949607 the ac apk is getting the better of you. I didn't think anyone would fall for that old trick but you never let us down do you ion.simon.c?
That would be a bonus for McDonald's as that would mean that there's little reason to stick around if you have cellular broadband to nearly anywhere you can walk.
I imagine that AT&T customers would still get their plans, but everyone else gets their time credits by buying the establishment's product (in case you don't call it food or drink).
He was just rambling. By contrast, mine was sloppy and obscure (due to my being too lazy at the time of posting to generalize access to the various geek references). You'd have to have a base level understanding of. . .
1. Conspiracy theory specifically with regard to how EM pollution affects human brain cells.
2. Sid Meyer's "Alpha Centauri", (as well as forgive my calling it, 'Brain Staples' rather than 'Mind Staples'.)
3. The ingredient list of a McDonald's milk shake and the urban myth which says it is one molecule shy of being a plastic.
When I post sloppily, it's often because I hit "Submit" by accident before I'm ready. This, however, was not one of those cases. It was genuine laziness. I just know the subject too well and no longer care enough to explain my thinking to others. Let 'em zombie out if they wish. I am resigned to the notion that one day I may devolve into a long-haired old man muttering to himself in a cave. I'd rather not, (it seems cliche and lame), but I'm not sure if there's much choice involved. Maybe it will be slightly less lame if I call it a "grotto," learn French and get myself some paints.
Ugh. Or maybe I just need to do some spring cleaning and get some sunshine.
-FL
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1230601&cid=27938959
Anyone reading's free to take a peek there, & follow each URL there (the ones with a simple question you avoid to NO end, lmao)
However? Well, now seeing as you're "asking for it" again??
QUIT AVOIDING THIS:
Well, why don't you answer the question & provide proof of what you said (about your being a professional programmer)? After all, you asked it of myself... & I provided proofs galore - funny how when YOU are asked the same question, you run though, eh?
(Give up man - after your hilarious list of technical blunders (ontop of your evading questions that asked YOU to prove you are a programmer)? You're just not really worth my time anymore)...
APK
P.S.=> If you simply answer MEK_LoveBug's question, with proof of your status as a professional programmer, not your just saying so (with no proof)? Maybe then, you can talk... but, until then? Well - I'll let others reading, do the judging, on ALL accounts here... apk