Well, I'm glad you enjoyed the experience and it all sounds very good for you.
But you completely missed the point of my post - or perhaps you are unable to comment on it. I am a professional, for perhaps 10 years. Google's process seems academic at best, silly at worst.
I'm glad that you've allayed some of our fears - but 5 interviews is still - honestly - a waste of professional time. Do the mail clerks require this process? How about the lunch ladies? Is the soft drink delivery boy/girl an expert organic chemist with experience in flavanoid synthesis?
That sounds ludicrous... at least it should! I will never interview there - either my experience, references, and a reasonable interview stands for itself or it doesn't.
Well, I'll be honest - I've stopped wanting to work at Google the day I heard their hiring practice.
I don't need to give people my life story, 2 litres of blood, play puzzle pirates for 8 hours, and then good cop/bad cop. My experience speaks for itself - if you and I have the same hopes and strive for success and honesty - then we can probably work together.
Google really worries me - hiring smart people doesn't mean diddly. I know hundreds of smart people. Phd's, MA's, CIO's, CEO's. They're just like regular people, only smarter - which is to say there are hard workers, slackers, the ambitious, and the bums too. Some are ethical and honest, some aren't. Actual genius smart people tend to have more problems than others, in my limited experience anyway.
In other words - hiring smart people just because they're smart is no better than hiring from the general population in terms of success - what drives success isn't smartness but what employees are motivated (through various means, both personally and as a group) to accomplish. I'm not saying motivation alone drives people - only those that can be motivated.
I've actually taken hiring classes - from the former Director of HR at Southwest Air. They studied the problem for a decade. They tracked thousands of employees histories and finally came to a very simple solution.
There are people that just want a job, and there are people that want to suceed. For most jobs, skills are secondary and can be learned or classes taken for those that have the aptitude.
What matters most is "Hire success-driven people and you get a successful company."
The number of crimes has decreased - but jails are fuller than ever. Over 2,000,000 people are in jail right now. Fifteen percent of black males will end up in jail. So I'm not exactly sure that the actual number of criminals has decreased. My main point though was the amount of explicity violent material has grown and it isn't the Lone Ranger anymore LOL.
Prostitutes are rarely the "avant gard" self-employed we imagine. It's pure exploitation in most cases. Usually young women are forced into work to support habits, feed themselves or their family, or other desperate measures. I don't know if you have children - but would you advocate that your daughter or son work as a prostitute? Honestly? Most of them risk their lifes with AIDS and violent, drunk customers on an hourly basis. Some/many of them were sexually abused as children.
More food for thought: "92% of women engaged in prostitution said they wanted to leave prostitution, but couldn't because they lack basic human services such as a home, job training, health care, counseling and treatment for drug or alcohol addiction."
I am not the big moralist you imagine me to be. It's just common sense, a good knowledge of history, and personal experience that tells me that a society doesn't survive on empty rhetoric. It was a long held thesis that moral decay led to the death of a culture - perhaps there is merit there?
I'm not against religious, athiests, nor moral relativists. I'm against the immoral, pure animals that have no reason or education. Most people don't understand that these activities and lifestyles put you at greater risks than normal.
In the end it's a statistical numbers game, play all you like. Just know than if your the looser - it'll be more than a game.
Lets all forget about our "moral compasses" for one second and consider this. The apparent center of American culture is a lifestyle of violence, whorring, and drugs. I won't tell you what's the best way to live your life - but I can certainly see the worst way. Living this lifestyle only leads to a life of emptyness.
I'd say it's more dominant that a vote for anyone else is a vote for more American suffering and/or cowardice.
Read up on the effects of the "shock and awe" on the people on 9/11. Mental illnesses, health deterioration, pain and untold anger to name a few. For many of the people they see Bush as their weapon of revenge.
I don't condone or sympathize with this - and I think it's highly likely that other forces - unknown who - accompliced the 9/11 disasters.
The Germans threw the Geneva Convention out the door in 1942. Just ask any French survivors about the German occupation and subsequent retreat.
Wilhelm Keitel (Commander-in-Chief of the High Command of the Armed Forces) ordered (1942):
This war no longer has anything to do [...] with the agreements of the Geneva Convention. [...] The troops are therefore empowered and are in duty bound in this war to use without mitigation even against women and children any means that will lead to success. Consideration of any kind are a crime against the German people and the soldier at the front.
He was executed in 1946 for war crimes.
You had me all the way until you started your liberal lunitic attack on neocons. I'd gladly see the neo-cons out of office and in jail myself (as a conservative) - but please stick to the truth. Your point about Europeans and international law is very good, though.
I worked as a developer at LARGE company - as their credit card server admin & developer (actually a small part of my other tasks).
My first two years, auditors wanted to get copies of the credit card records - and I refused. I told them I could allow them access to review them at the location and they still wanted to have copies. Nope.
I left the company - and less than a year later, well, you know the story. Auditor gets copies on laptop, laptop gets stolen. Big news story.
Auditors blow goats - if those guys are serious about security then they'd spend less time trying to sell us services and more time evaluating their own process. They should know better than to take records offsite unprotected in any form. And yet, they couldn't see the problem. I just don't understand.
Well.. WMV per-se isn't a bad format - in fact it's pretty good as far as compatibility and quality goes. It certainly does sound better than MP3 for the bitrate you "pay" as an alternative to CD's.
Almost my entire CD collection has been ripped to Ogg - and I'm mostly happy with that. The only drawback is converting them to AAC for my wife's iPod.
Hey, I'm proud! I worked with Daryl on the 64bit Alpha port of the Voodoo drivers to X windows. (Of course running on the Alpha Linux) I had been on a mission to lobby 3dfx to release the drivers - and wow was I surprised when they actually did.
It really appears here that this dispute is not about your client - but more a dispute of cash. Why not offer a per-seat licensing scheme to them - for say a small fee per initial user and/or 5% of monthly per-user revenue or something? That would be far more acceptible IMHO. If it's cheaper for them just to come clean and GPL their DLL, I'm sure they will get by with that and you'll have nothing to force them to pay up. Though you will have shown the enforcement of the GPL is viable in Israel.
Reguardless - I think the GPL is pretty explicit - the question here is whether they distribute the dll with your code.
Distributed, but merely considered a bundle: If the extension runs in a separate process (through fork/exec, for instance) then they are considered two separate programs and there is no GPL violation. There is one possible violation here - that the main functionality of the program is merely exported between processes. But since the main functionality of the program is chess and the dll is only adding minor non-chess features I see this as a far fetched violation and very difficult to prove.
Distributed together, accessed through a plugin: It really depends if the plugin has a special non-GPL clause. I would assume (from the lawsuite) that there is no plugin API which could be used legally, however if you have allowed a proprietary plugin exception - then this is explicitly allowed.
Distributed separatly, accessed through a plugin: This merely puts the violation into the users hands - as the plugin API as merely a code-fork allowed by the GPL. The DLL is then "copied" by the user - this is a violation by the user.
I'm not a lawyer - and this is not legal advice. I'm simply relating my own experience.
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Ok, lets say you're strolling around and looking to hook some free internet connection, eh?
In the amount of time it takes to walk to the nearest open WAP, you probably couldn't grab enough packets to break WEP.
But if your intentions are, ohh I don't know.. say DARKER. Then yes, WEP is not going to protect the target of your GRISLY, ABYSMAL ABOMINATION of h4x0ring.
I leave my WAP open.. because it reminds me that no communication is secure unless I MAKE it secure. I don't rely on the router or anything else to protect me - only well tested protocols and applications.
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Well, I think the facts(haha - ahem - as far as is publically known) are this:
I've heard from a claimed friend of one of the inventors of RSA that [it was cracked years ago]. 1. RSA is not known to be cracked and in general is still considered HARD - though the rapidly increasing amount of free and cheap CPU time will eventually defeat most of today's common length keys in 35-50 years (who knows?). That said, it may be possible that RSA gets cracked next week - I wouldn't be surprised. I too have a few friends that studied with RSA founders and ashamedly, they have not let me in on the secret crack yet, either. (Need more beer)
[Friend who does factoring moves to Numerics] That could be anything - really - from "professional jealousy", "national secret", or "I didn't get the right vibe."
Quantum computers Ahh, shake and bake computing at it's finest. Unortunatly, qubits are pesky little critters that tend to get bored and entangled in relationships during the course of research. Some qubits have been known to file their own myspace profile and entangle with Japanese qubits! Oh, the little horrors!
Seriously though - you don't have to make wild guesses and claims here. When somone really does crack RSA it will be widely known. The only scary stuff with crypto is wild claims and dishonesty.
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WEP is still a great example... it's enough of a pain that if given the choice between breaking a WEP connection and using an open WAP - well, you'll choose the open one.
In that case, WEP really does work for most people.
I'd say also that when I started on Linux (hrm.. 1992) that Linux has an easier install.. And it was a smaller install (can you say 1200 baude model, I knew you could!). Plus I seem to remember that you needed a commercial compiler to bootstrap BSD386 initially.
I think I was probably the first person to run Linux at Verizon(then GTE) too.. (I was in intern there in the summer of 1993) I booted it on their left-for-dead NCR machines. It looked sooo bad next to the HP workstations they had.. but I had a kickin internet connection LOL.
But for a USER, who just needs a couple of megs more to get his little drawing printed or whatever.. swap makes perfect sense. Ideally, it wouldn't be used much - and if it is - it's a signal to the user that says YOU NEED MORE RAM DUMMY!!! This is better than "This process has been killed unexpectedly" type messages you used to see - or the ever better complete system lock as the mouse subsystem tries to allocate a position structure to send as a message to the application - and fails.
I actually only use my swap for one thing on my laptop now - hibernating. And it works, works fast, and well and I'm durn happy with it.
There's a lot of issues besides just "use openssl." Granted - that's a GREAT way to get started but there are a lot of issues to take care of like secure buffer management and usage, protocols, key management to name a few.
Would you blame him? He obviously poured a lot of time and energy into this. I'm sure there was no shortage of nose-thumbing, pride, and jealousy if my experience of SOME people has proven.
Is it thanks to receive some money and a medal after your peers roasted you for a couple of years?
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China already is beginning to put the slap on N Korea - they've halted all oil shipments.
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed the experience and it all sounds very good for you.
But you completely missed the point of my post - or perhaps you are unable to comment on it. I am a professional, for perhaps 10 years. Google's process seems academic at best, silly at worst.
I'm glad that you've allayed some of our fears - but 5 interviews is still - honestly - a waste of professional time. Do the mail clerks require this process? How about the lunch ladies? Is the soft drink delivery boy/girl an expert organic chemist with experience in flavanoid synthesis?
That sounds ludicrous... at least it should! I will never interview there - either my experience, references, and a reasonable interview stands for itself or it doesn't.
Well, I'll be honest - I've stopped wanting to work at Google the day I heard their hiring practice.
I don't need to give people my life story, 2 litres of blood, play puzzle pirates for 8 hours, and then good cop/bad cop. My experience speaks for itself - if you and I have the same hopes and strive for success and honesty - then we can probably work together.
Google really worries me - hiring smart people doesn't mean diddly. I know hundreds of smart people. Phd's, MA's, CIO's, CEO's. They're just like regular people, only smarter - which is to say there are hard workers, slackers, the ambitious, and the bums too. Some are ethical and honest, some aren't. Actual genius smart people tend to have more problems than others, in my limited experience anyway.
In other words - hiring smart people just because they're smart is no better than hiring from the general population in terms of success - what drives success isn't smartness but what employees are motivated (through various means, both personally and as a group) to accomplish. I'm not saying motivation alone drives people - only those that can be motivated.
I've actually taken hiring classes - from the former Director of HR at Southwest Air. They studied the problem for a decade. They tracked thousands of employees histories and finally came to a very simple solution.
There are people that just want a job, and there are people that want to suceed. For most jobs, skills are secondary and can be learned or classes taken for those that have the aptitude.
What matters most is "Hire success-driven people and you get a successful company."
The number of crimes has decreased - but jails are fuller than ever. Over 2,000,000 people are in jail right now. Fifteen percent of black males will end up in jail. So I'm not exactly sure that the actual number of criminals has decreased. My main point though was the amount of explicity violent material has grown and it isn't the Lone Ranger anymore LOL.
Prostitutes are rarely the "avant gard" self-employed we imagine. It's pure exploitation in most cases. Usually young women are forced into work to support habits, feed themselves or their family, or other desperate measures. I don't know if you have children - but would you advocate that your daughter or son work as a prostitute? Honestly? Most of them risk their lifes with AIDS and violent, drunk customers on an hourly basis. Some/many of them were sexually abused as children.
More food for thought: "92% of women engaged in prostitution said they wanted to leave prostitution, but couldn't because they lack basic human services such as a home, job training, health care, counseling and treatment for drug or alcohol addiction."
I am not the big moralist you imagine me to be. It's just common sense, a good knowledge of history, and personal experience that tells me that a society doesn't survive on empty rhetoric. It was a long held thesis that moral decay led to the death of a culture - perhaps there is merit there?
I'm not against religious, athiests, nor moral relativists. I'm against the immoral, pure animals that have no reason or education. Most people don't understand that these activities and lifestyles put you at greater risks than normal.
In the end it's a statistical numbers game, play all you like. Just know than if your the looser - it'll be more than a game.
Lets all forget about our "moral compasses" for one second and consider this. The apparent center of American culture is a lifestyle of violence, whorring, and drugs. I won't tell you what's the best way to live your life - but I can certainly see the worst way. Living this lifestyle only leads to a life of emptyness.
Think iPod - because it's about the exact same chip. It probably hooks up through USB internally even.
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More info here on the politics of this chip:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtm
I'd say it's more dominant that a vote for anyone else is a vote for more American suffering and/or cowardice.
Read up on the effects of the "shock and awe" on the people on 9/11. Mental illnesses, health deterioration, pain and untold anger to name a few. For many of the people they see Bush as their weapon of revenge.
I don't condone or sympathize with this - and I think it's highly likely that other forces - unknown who - accompliced the 9/11 disasters.
You must have a Phd from Harvard.
The Germans threw the Geneva Convention out the door in 1942. Just ask any French survivors about the German occupation and subsequent retreat.
Wilhelm Keitel (Commander-in-Chief of the High Command of the Armed Forces) ordered (1942):
This war no longer has anything to do [...] with the agreements of the Geneva Convention. [...] The troops are therefore empowered and are in duty bound in this war to use without mitigation even against women and children any means that will lead to success. Consideration of any kind are a crime against the German people and the soldier at the front.
He was executed in 1946 for war crimes.
You had me all the way until you started your liberal lunitic attack on neocons. I'd gladly see the neo-cons out of office and in jail myself (as a conservative) - but please stick to the truth. Your point about Europeans and international law is very good, though.
Well, I call bologna..
I worked as a developer at LARGE company - as their credit card server admin & developer (actually a small part of my other tasks).
My first two years, auditors wanted to get copies of the credit card records - and I refused. I told them I could allow them access to review them at the location and they still wanted to have copies. Nope.
I left the company - and less than a year later, well, you know the story. Auditor gets copies on laptop, laptop gets stolen. Big news story.
Auditors blow goats - if those guys are serious about security then they'd spend less time trying to sell us services and more time evaluating their own process. They should know better than to take records offsite unprotected in any form. And yet, they couldn't see the problem. I just don't understand.
That's the supposed job of the supreme court.. to uphold the constitution... but they're too busy taking a dump on it.
Well.. WMV per-se isn't a bad format - in fact it's pretty good as far as compatibility and quality goes. It certainly does sound better than MP3 for the bitrate you "pay" as an alternative to CD's.
Almost my entire CD collection has been ripped to Ogg - and I'm mostly happy with that. The only drawback is converting them to AAC for my wife's iPod.
Yeah.. ROY G BIV
LOL
Hey, I'm proud! I worked with Daryl on the 64bit Alpha port of the Voodoo drivers to X windows. (Of course running on the Alpha Linux) I had been on a mission to lobby 3dfx to release the drivers - and wow was I surprised when they actually did.
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It really appears here that this dispute is not about your client - but more a dispute of cash. Why not offer a per-seat licensing scheme to them - for say a small fee per initial user and/or 5% of monthly per-user revenue or something? That would be far more acceptible IMHO. If it's cheaper for them just to come clean and GPL their DLL, I'm sure they will get by with that and you'll have nothing to force them to pay up. Though you will have shown the enforcement of the GPL is viable in Israel.
Reguardless - I think the GPL is pretty explicit - the question here is whether they distribute the dll with your code.
Distributed, but merely considered a bundle:
If the extension runs in a separate process (through fork/exec, for instance) then they are considered two separate programs and there is no GPL violation. There is one possible violation here - that the main functionality of the program is merely exported between processes. But since the main functionality of the program is chess and the dll is only adding minor non-chess features I see this as a far fetched violation and very difficult to prove.
Distributed together, accessed through a plugin:
It really depends if the plugin has a special non-GPL clause. I would assume (from the lawsuite) that there is no plugin API which could be used legally, however if you have allowed a proprietary plugin exception - then this is explicitly allowed.
Distributed separatly, accessed through a plugin:
This merely puts the violation into the users hands - as the plugin API as merely a code-fork allowed by the GPL. The DLL is then "copied" by the user - this is a violation by the user.
I'm not a lawyer - and this is not legal advice. I'm simply relating my own experience.
Ok, lets say you're strolling around and looking to hook some free internet connection, eh?
In the amount of time it takes to walk to the nearest open WAP, you probably couldn't grab enough packets to break WEP.
But if your intentions are, ohh I don't know.. say DARKER. Then yes, WEP is not going to protect the target of your GRISLY, ABYSMAL ABOMINATION of h4x0ring.
I leave my WAP open.. because it reminds me that no communication is secure unless I MAKE it secure. I don't rely on the router or anything else to protect me - only well tested protocols and applications.
Well, I think the facts(haha - ahem - as far as is publically known) are this:
I've heard from a claimed friend of one of the inventors of RSA that [it was cracked years ago].
1. RSA is not known to be cracked and in general is still considered HARD - though the rapidly increasing amount of free and cheap CPU time will eventually defeat most of today's common length keys in 35-50 years (who knows?). That said, it may be possible that RSA gets cracked next week - I wouldn't be surprised. I too have a few friends that studied with RSA founders and ashamedly, they have not let me in on the secret crack yet, either. (Need more beer)
[Friend who does factoring moves to Numerics]
That could be anything - really - from "professional jealousy", "national secret", or "I didn't get the right vibe."
Quantum computers
Ahh, shake and bake computing at it's finest. Unortunatly, qubits are pesky little critters that tend to get bored and entangled in relationships during the course of research. Some qubits have been known to file their own myspace profile and entangle with Japanese qubits! Oh, the little horrors!
Seriously though - you don't have to make wild guesses and claims here. When somone really does crack RSA it will be widely known. The only scary stuff with crypto is wild claims and dishonesty.
WEP is still a great example... it's enough of a pain that if given the choice between breaking a WEP connection and using an open WAP - well, you'll choose the open one.
In that case, WEP really does work for most people.
Hey.. sorry Grumps. I spent too much time abroad.. learned how to spell everything wrong. Three packs, heck, I'm up to two lighters!
I'd say also that when I started on Linux (hrm.. 1992) that Linux has an easier install.. And it was a smaller install (can you say 1200 baude model, I knew you could!). Plus I seem to remember that you needed a commercial compiler to bootstrap BSD386 initially.
I think I was probably the first person to run Linux at Verizon(then GTE) too.. (I was in intern there in the summer of 1993) I booted it on their left-for-dead NCR machines. It looked sooo bad next to the HP workstations they had.. but I had a kickin internet connection LOL.
Yep.. as a developer you are RIGHT.
But for a USER, who just needs a couple of megs more to get his little drawing printed or whatever.. swap makes perfect sense. Ideally, it wouldn't be used much - and if it is - it's a signal to the user that says YOU NEED MORE RAM DUMMY!!! This is better than "This process has been killed unexpectedly" type messages you used to see - or the ever better complete system lock as the mouse subsystem tries to allocate a position structure to send as a message to the application - and fails.
I actually only use my swap for one thing on my laptop now - hibernating. And it works, works fast, and well and I'm durn happy with it.
Swap on! heheheh
That was the *best* post I've seen in years on slashdot! Thanks for the link!
Sorry.. but dream on.
There's a lot of issues besides just "use openssl." Granted - that's a GREAT way to get started but there are a lot of issues to take care of like secure buffer management and usage, protocols, key management to name a few.
I don't hate the academic system - I think it generally works very well.
But it can be turn ugly for some people when leaps like this are made. Don't you agree that history supports this?
Would you blame him? He obviously poured a lot of time and energy into this. I'm sure there was no shortage of nose-thumbing, pride, and jealousy if my experience of SOME people has proven.
Is it thanks to receive some money and a medal after your peers roasted you for a couple of years?
I think Nasa lost some grey matter thinking that up.