Unless, of course, we assume that there are two million astroturfers out there who each bought two phones. You call it a stretch, I call it a possibility.;^)
So wait a second here. The submitter is pointing out an anomaly or fluke in the statistics, and you assume he's a Microsoft hater? Submitter says he'll wait awhile to see what happens before passing judgement. And, he's a hater?
Sounds more like you're a fanboi, and anything that doesn't praise Microsoft is "hate" in your book.
Stop sniveling - there are many ways to do things, without relying on Microsoft. It's not OUR FAULT that your junior high school only has Microsoft products. Maybe when you get to high school, they'll have something different for your to play with, giving you the opportunity to learn something new and different.
Oh wow - you've forgotten all the lessons taught to us by current economists and management elite. You've GOT to pay those failure CEO's those millions and billions! How else can you attract quality failure CEO'S?
Come on, man, get with the program! This isn't the early 1900's where people were rewarded for success. Today, you are only rewarded for being a yes man, or for nepotism, or for destroying a company.
Shrinking, diminishing revenues, loss of key personnel, etc do not contribute to "thrive". "Exist", sure, but not "thrive". You might want to check a dictionary.
Slashdotters, anyone who believes that MS does NOT gather your information, please raise your hands. Maybe it's proper that I point out here, that MS has reached that corporate "age" where they aren't going to grow a lot, or very fast, doing the same thing they've done since they were incorporated. It's time to diversify, moving into new fields. There is room for growth based on their old business model, but that is slowing. It won't continue indefinitely.
No one gets "scalded" with today's modern hot water heaters, unless they have tampered with the thermostats. From the factory, the thermostat is set to 130 degrees. Someone flushing might cause you to get some uncomfortably warm water, but no scalding showers.
I do tamper with my thermostats. My water is 150 degrees. It's enough to scald, if you happen to be sensory deprived, incapacitated, and/or retarded. But, everyone in my home has decent reflexes, good sense of touch and feel, and everyone has an IQ of at least 100.
I guess that if I ever slip in the shower, and knock myself unconscious, then someone flushes repeatedly, I MIGHT get a burn.
"Nobody is going to be able to build a phone from scratch without relying on other people's work"
Which leads us to the point where we ask the quesion: "Who do I want to trust?" I don't trust anything Microsoft. I don't trust any of the phone manufacturers. I - trust, I guess - Google somewhat. At least as far as I can throw them. I trust Debian. I trust Linux. Who else do I trust? And, how much do I trust them? I certainly don't trust ANY telco in the United States. They are probably less trustworthy than Microsoft, Apple, Google, plus any three telephone manufacturers you care to name. When Big Gubbermint says "Roll over", the telcos roll with a will. At least Google drags their feet, bitches and moans, and throws a little bit of a fit.
Who to trust? I just don't think that I'm going to trust my telephone. I don't browse on it, I don't bank, I don't do much of anything. Two thirds of the time, it is turned off.
You people with the banking apps have fun, I'll just sit in my corner of paranoia, thank you very much.
" is largely responsible for dictating the legislative agenda of his party "
I think you've got that skewed. The party more likely dictates the presidents agenda. They leave him a lot of leeway, to be sure, but the party has an "agreement" in place before they ever nominate the guy for office.
If the shift manager is that savvy, then he is himself overqualified. Come on - sitting on your butt taking money while permitting people to pump their own fuel is a nowhere deadend job, and NO ONE expects you to stay forever. It's NOT a career. It most certainly doesn't have any real "qualifications".
Back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I took a job at a real "service station". The boss demanded that every vehicle that came in had it's windshield washed, tires checked, oil and coolant checked, and the ONLY person permitted to operate the pumps was the attendant on duty. I was a high school sophomore at that time. No qualifications, aside from willingness to get off your ass and perform a few light duties.
Today, there are VERY few "service stations". They don't check oil, don't wash windshields, don't even look at the tires, and won't pump gas unless you have a handicapped license plate on your car.
You got statistics on that? Littered, huh? I guess every town, large and small is littered? And, that "professional help" is so easy to come by. Either you're dirt poor and get it free through some aid program, or you're filthy rich and pay for it with pocket change. Most Americans are neither, you realize.
Did that. He got the job. Months later, he and Mama decided that he'd be money ahead if he moved back into his dungeon, and kept his job. So far, he's kept the job, but still seems to spend most of his waking hours online. Phhhttt.
Can't fight with Mama, unless you want to move out yourself.
Is a mushroom a plant? Or, is it something else? A fungus, maybe? I think there is something sinister about mushrooms, masquerading as plants as they do. Very sinister, maybe even evil!
Mushrooms are unique. They are neither animal or plant.
Some people consider them plants for various reasons, but they differ from plants in that they lack the green chlorophyll that plants use to manufacture their own food and energy. For this reason they are placed in a Kingdom of their own," The Kingdom of Fungi".
Mushrooms are also unique within the Fungal Kingdom itself, because they produce the complex fruiting body which we all know as 'The Mushroom', all of the mushrooms are placed in a division called 'Eumycota' meaning 'The True Fungi'.
The True Fungi are what we all know as mushrooms. They are divided into other groups depending on the structure of their fruiting bodies and various other macro and microscopic characteristics.
I don't do IE. Don't do Office. I look at Facebook about once a week. No LinkedIn. No smartphone. So - where does that leave me? Have I faded away, and become a ghost or something?
Oh, social pressure. Maybe I am a ghost, 'cause that social pressure doesn't affect me very much.
And, you're a vegetarian? What's that got to do with anything? Oh - that social pressure thing. But, wait. Doesn't society pressure you to eat meat? We're all omnivores, and you choose to be different. Maybe that "social pressure" thing is just so much bullshit? You don't really care what people think, any more than I do. You're just flapping your gums in an attempt to feel morally superior or something. Phhhttttt!
Bingo. But, then again - who owns those corporations? Little bits and pieces are owned by little people who earn less than a million dollars per year. Even less are owned by even smaller people who earn less than $100,000. The lion's share belong to that infamous 1%, and it's rigged so that they get ever richer. So, the corporation pays low if any tax, then the owners again pay low, if any tax. It's a double killing for them.
Thank you, AC. Post after post above, reminds me of religious zealots chanting a mantra of some sort. You're the first to point out the obvious. Thank you.
No - the solution is to "punish" both ends of the spectrum. Make the top 1 or 5 or 15 percent pay their share. Stop giving all those entitlements away.
The people in the middle (like me, and mine) get just about nothing from the government, but the government is in our pockets, taking about 1/3 of our wages every week. All the entitlements go over me, past me, or under me. We, the working people, don't benefit from food stamps, free housing, free utilities, and sure don't benefit from an inverted tax schedule scheme, and we DAMNED SURE don't benefit from wars being fought halfway around the world to enrich the oil industries.
Unfortunately, a lot of lawmakers, a lot of bankers, and a lot of people think that government debt is a "good thing". Someone will be along soon, in this discussion, to tell us that a balanced budget is a "bad thing".
In fact, some of those same people believe it's a "good thing" for the average American to be in debt as well. A person like myself who owes almost nothing is "bad" for the economy.
It isn't necessary to plug into the network. Plug it directly into the machine. Our machines aren't networked, they only have the capability to be networked. A: none of our people are sophisticated enough to network them, or to realize the advantages of them being networked. B: unwittingly or not, none of our production machines are vulnerable to network malware
But, some of our machines have the port necessary to plug a router in, directly. Once plugged in, an iPad or smart phone with WIFI has access to the machine. Of course, as you point out, things can be set up so that the iPhone can reach it from home.
I guess my whole point is, people have physical access to the machines. It's only a matter of time until one of the vandals figures out a way to vandalize one or more of our systems.
What makes that scenario so bad is, management doesn't see the need to keep disk images, or anything like that. An Engel machine took ill just last week. It lose the EBIAS somehow. We searched and searched, and could not find any of the disks necessary to restore the EBIAS. Engel sent us the disks we needed, but again, no one had ever seen it as necessary to make backups of jobs or parameters. EBIAS got the computer functioning, but the computer didn't know how to operate the machine. Two more days of downtime went by before we had it in operation again.
A vandal can hurt us pretty bad, if that vandal has the know-how.
I think you're at least 90% correct. But, it seems that our "secrets" haven't been sold yet. I expect that they will be, sooner or later.
Of course, half of our "secrets" can be reverse engineered in any decent tool maker's shop, and the rest can be reverse engineered anyplace the engineers are actually competent. Nothing we do is extremely technical.
Self employment has advantages and disadvantages. I went that route for awhile. I got out of contracting when I had a guy get hurt on the job. I simply could not provide meaningful health or accident insurance for the guys who worked for me. I was able to provide a decent wage, a pretty good work environment, training, and some small perks, but I just couldn't provide insurance. That was one hurdle that I simply couldn't overcome. To pay for insurance, I would have had to raise my estimates on jobs quite a lot, and that meant I could no longer compete with all the illegal aliens flooding the market.
So, I got scared, and quit, and went back to working for other people, and small companies. Let the big bosses worry about meeting payroll at the same time they were providing benefits like insurance.
Luckily, my employee wasn't seriously hurt. Lucky for him, lucky for me. I could have been paying for his continued medical care for the rest of my life, I guess.
Yep - we have concealed carry. Yep, cops like locking people up. Yep, if I worked for you, you'd probably fire me. Also - I've done and said things for which almost any employer would fire me.
I'm still here, and I'm still doing things my way. Concealed carry doesn't bother me, the cops don't scare me, and being fired never killed anyone.
Meanwhile, as long as I have a job, my shop will run to my standards. Simple as that. Given a choice, many people would prefer some foul language, or even an ass kicking over being fired. II think that I have things balanced pretty well. It's not like I go out of my way to find reasons to terrorize people who work with me, or work for me. We just got rid of a "supervisor" who did exactly that. If anyone in the plant ever feared me, it was that man - but I digress . . .
Here, in reality, there is no such thing as an HR. You don't get it, do you? I guess you're moderately wealthy, nice house in the 'burbs, etc ad nauseum. In the real working world, companies don't HAVE an HR department. I've never worked for a company that had one.
Now, if you grew a set of balls, and told me that you were going to kick MY ASS, we might come to an understanding. But, sissies who whine and cry about lawyers, and imaginary HR departments don't last in my world.
The payday you talk of? Ain't happening. That only happens in the cities, in government, in universities, and at large corporations. You'll get no payday out here in the sticks unless you sweat your ass off to earn it.
I'm a bit curious - what's YOUR leadership style? I'm primarily a coach type leader, with a strong dose of authoritarian thrown in. As I said, I'm coarse. I won't hold your hand and gently explain why that phone is prohibited - I'll explain it once, clearly and loudly. If you don't learn, then I do one of two things. If I have any respect for you, we do a little ass stomping. You kick my ass? Maybe. I kick your ass? Maybe. But there will be an ass kicking going on.
If I don't respect you, out the door you go. I'll not waste my time on a eunuch.
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Unless, of course, we assume that there are two million astroturfers out there who each bought two phones. You call it a stretch, I call it a possibility. ;^)
So wait a second here. The submitter is pointing out an anomaly or fluke in the statistics, and you assume he's a Microsoft hater? Submitter says he'll wait awhile to see what happens before passing judgement. And, he's a hater?
Sounds more like you're a fanboi, and anything that doesn't praise Microsoft is "hate" in your book.
Stop sniveling - there are many ways to do things, without relying on Microsoft. It's not OUR FAULT that your junior high school only has Microsoft products. Maybe when you get to high school, they'll have something different for your to play with, giving you the opportunity to learn something new and different.
Oh wow - you've forgotten all the lessons taught to us by current economists and management elite. You've GOT to pay those failure CEO's those millions and billions! How else can you attract quality failure CEO'S?
Come on, man, get with the program! This isn't the early 1900's where people were rewarded for success. Today, you are only rewarded for being a yes man, or for nepotism, or for destroying a company.
Shrinking, diminishing revenues, loss of key personnel, etc do not contribute to "thrive". "Exist", sure, but not "thrive". You might want to check a dictionary.
*cough* Bing! *cough* MSN *cough* messanger *cough* cloud *cough cough cough*
Slashdotters, anyone who believes that MS does NOT gather your information, please raise your hands. Maybe it's proper that I point out here, that MS has reached that corporate "age" where they aren't going to grow a lot, or very fast, doing the same thing they've done since they were incorporated. It's time to diversify, moving into new fields. There is room for growth based on their old business model, but that is slowing. It won't continue indefinitely.
Can't find the article I was thinking of at the moment, but this one should provide food for thought:
http://wraltechwire.com/business/tech_wire/opinion/story/3810948/
No one gets "scalded" with today's modern hot water heaters, unless they have tampered with the thermostats. From the factory, the thermostat is set to 130 degrees. Someone flushing might cause you to get some uncomfortably warm water, but no scalding showers.
I do tamper with my thermostats. My water is 150 degrees. It's enough to scald, if you happen to be sensory deprived, incapacitated, and/or retarded. But, everyone in my home has decent reflexes, good sense of touch and feel, and everyone has an IQ of at least 100.
I guess that if I ever slip in the shower, and knock myself unconscious, then someone flushes repeatedly, I MIGHT get a burn.
I'll take my chances.
"Nobody is going to be able to build a phone from scratch without relying on other people's work"
Which leads us to the point where we ask the quesion: "Who do I want to trust?" I don't trust anything Microsoft. I don't trust any of the phone manufacturers. I - trust, I guess - Google somewhat. At least as far as I can throw them. I trust Debian. I trust Linux. Who else do I trust? And, how much do I trust them? I certainly don't trust ANY telco in the United States. They are probably less trustworthy than Microsoft, Apple, Google, plus any three telephone manufacturers you care to name. When Big Gubbermint says "Roll over", the telcos roll with a will. At least Google drags their feet, bitches and moans, and throws a little bit of a fit.
Who to trust? I just don't think that I'm going to trust my telephone. I don't browse on it, I don't bank, I don't do much of anything. Two thirds of the time, it is turned off.
You people with the banking apps have fun, I'll just sit in my corner of paranoia, thank you very much.
" is largely responsible for dictating the legislative agenda of his party "
I think you've got that skewed. The party more likely dictates the presidents agenda. They leave him a lot of leeway, to be sure, but the party has an "agreement" in place before they ever nominate the guy for office.
If the shift manager is that savvy, then he is himself overqualified. Come on - sitting on your butt taking money while permitting people to pump their own fuel is a nowhere deadend job, and NO ONE expects you to stay forever. It's NOT a career. It most certainly doesn't have any real "qualifications".
Back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I took a job at a real "service station". The boss demanded that every vehicle that came in had it's windshield washed, tires checked, oil and coolant checked, and the ONLY person permitted to operate the pumps was the attendant on duty. I was a high school sophomore at that time. No qualifications, aside from willingness to get off your ass and perform a few light duties.
Today, there are VERY few "service stations". They don't check oil, don't wash windshields, don't even look at the tires, and won't pump gas unless you have a handicapped license plate on your car.
You got statistics on that? Littered, huh? I guess every town, large and small is littered? And, that "professional help" is so easy to come by. Either you're dirt poor and get it free through some aid program, or you're filthy rich and pay for it with pocket change. Most Americans are neither, you realize.
Did that. He got the job. Months later, he and Mama decided that he'd be money ahead if he moved back into his dungeon, and kept his job. So far, he's kept the job, but still seems to spend most of his waking hours online. Phhhttt.
Can't fight with Mama, unless you want to move out yourself.
Is a mushroom a plant? Or, is it something else? A fungus, maybe? I think there is something sinister about mushrooms, masquerading as plants as they do. Very sinister, maybe even evil!
http://www.allaboutmushrooms.com/mushrooms.htm
What are Mushrooms?
Mushrooms are unique. They are neither animal or plant.
Some people consider them plants for various reasons, but they differ from plants in that they lack the green chlorophyll that plants use to manufacture their own food and energy. For this reason they are placed in a Kingdom of their own," The Kingdom of Fungi".
Mushrooms are also unique within the Fungal Kingdom itself, because they produce the complex fruiting body which we all know as 'The Mushroom', all of the mushrooms are placed in a division called 'Eumycota' meaning 'The True Fungi'.
The True Fungi are what we all know as mushrooms. They are divided into other groups depending on the structure of their fruiting bodies and various other macro and microscopic characteristics.
But - what about the drop bears? Will the environment recover if the drop bears are killed off?
c m birds?
m r not birds
oh s m are birds
no, m r ducks
o, I c, m r so ducks!
(plagiarized from the Texas High School graduate literacy test)
http://www.txkisd.net/campuses/ths.asp
Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy? I think I'd rather submit to the aliens. The "user experience" would be out of this world!
Of course, that's just me - different strokes for different folks and all.
I don't do IE. Don't do Office. I look at Facebook about once a week. No LinkedIn. No smartphone. So - where does that leave me? Have I faded away, and become a ghost or something?
Oh, social pressure. Maybe I am a ghost, 'cause that social pressure doesn't affect me very much.
And, you're a vegetarian? What's that got to do with anything? Oh - that social pressure thing. But, wait. Doesn't society pressure you to eat meat? We're all omnivores, and you choose to be different. Maybe that "social pressure" thing is just so much bullshit? You don't really care what people think, any more than I do. You're just flapping your gums in an attempt to feel morally superior or something. Phhhttttt!
Bingo. But, then again - who owns those corporations? Little bits and pieces are owned by little people who earn less than a million dollars per year. Even less are owned by even smaller people who earn less than $100,000. The lion's share belong to that infamous 1%, and it's rigged so that they get ever richer. So, the corporation pays low if any tax, then the owners again pay low, if any tax. It's a double killing for them.
Thank you, AC. Post after post above, reminds me of religious zealots chanting a mantra of some sort. You're the first to point out the obvious. Thank you.
No - the solution is to "punish" both ends of the spectrum. Make the top 1 or 5 or 15 percent pay their share. Stop giving all those entitlements away.
The people in the middle (like me, and mine) get just about nothing from the government, but the government is in our pockets, taking about 1/3 of our wages every week. All the entitlements go over me, past me, or under me. We, the working people, don't benefit from food stamps, free housing, free utilities, and sure don't benefit from an inverted tax schedule scheme, and we DAMNED SURE don't benefit from wars being fought halfway around the world to enrich the oil industries.
Unfortunately, a lot of lawmakers, a lot of bankers, and a lot of people think that government debt is a "good thing". Someone will be along soon, in this discussion, to tell us that a balanced budget is a "bad thing".
In fact, some of those same people believe it's a "good thing" for the average American to be in debt as well. A person like myself who owes almost nothing is "bad" for the economy.
It isn't necessary to plug into the network. Plug it directly into the machine. Our machines aren't networked, they only have the capability to be networked. A: none of our people are sophisticated enough to network them, or to realize the advantages of them being networked. B: unwittingly or not, none of our production machines are vulnerable to network malware
But, some of our machines have the port necessary to plug a router in, directly. Once plugged in, an iPad or smart phone with WIFI has access to the machine. Of course, as you point out, things can be set up so that the iPhone can reach it from home.
I guess my whole point is, people have physical access to the machines. It's only a matter of time until one of the vandals figures out a way to vandalize one or more of our systems.
What makes that scenario so bad is, management doesn't see the need to keep disk images, or anything like that. An Engel machine took ill just last week. It lose the EBIAS somehow. We searched and searched, and could not find any of the disks necessary to restore the EBIAS. Engel sent us the disks we needed, but again, no one had ever seen it as necessary to make backups of jobs or parameters. EBIAS got the computer functioning, but the computer didn't know how to operate the machine. Two more days of downtime went by before we had it in operation again.
A vandal can hurt us pretty bad, if that vandal has the know-how.
I think you're at least 90% correct. But, it seems that our "secrets" haven't been sold yet. I expect that they will be, sooner or later.
Of course, half of our "secrets" can be reverse engineered in any decent tool maker's shop, and the rest can be reverse engineered anyplace the engineers are actually competent. Nothing we do is extremely technical.
Self employment has advantages and disadvantages. I went that route for awhile. I got out of contracting when I had a guy get hurt on the job. I simply could not provide meaningful health or accident insurance for the guys who worked for me. I was able to provide a decent wage, a pretty good work environment, training, and some small perks, but I just couldn't provide insurance. That was one hurdle that I simply couldn't overcome. To pay for insurance, I would have had to raise my estimates on jobs quite a lot, and that meant I could no longer compete with all the illegal aliens flooding the market.
So, I got scared, and quit, and went back to working for other people, and small companies. Let the big bosses worry about meeting payroll at the same time they were providing benefits like insurance.
Luckily, my employee wasn't seriously hurt. Lucky for him, lucky for me. I could have been paying for his continued medical care for the rest of my life, I guess.
Yep - we have concealed carry. Yep, cops like locking people up. Yep, if I worked for you, you'd probably fire me. Also - I've done and said things for which almost any employer would fire me.
I'm still here, and I'm still doing things my way. Concealed carry doesn't bother me, the cops don't scare me, and being fired never killed anyone.
Meanwhile, as long as I have a job, my shop will run to my standards. Simple as that. Given a choice, many people would prefer some foul language, or even an ass kicking over being fired. II think that I have things balanced pretty well. It's not like I go out of my way to find reasons to terrorize people who work with me, or work for me. We just got rid of a "supervisor" who did exactly that. If anyone in the plant ever feared me, it was that man - but I digress . . .
Here, in reality, there is no such thing as an HR. You don't get it, do you? I guess you're moderately wealthy, nice house in the 'burbs, etc ad nauseum. In the real working world, companies don't HAVE an HR department. I've never worked for a company that had one.
Now, if you grew a set of balls, and told me that you were going to kick MY ASS, we might come to an understanding. But, sissies who whine and cry about lawyers, and imaginary HR departments don't last in my world.
The payday you talk of? Ain't happening. That only happens in the cities, in government, in universities, and at large corporations. You'll get no payday out here in the sticks unless you sweat your ass off to earn it.
I'm a bit curious - what's YOUR leadership style? I'm primarily a coach type leader, with a strong dose of authoritarian thrown in. As I said, I'm coarse. I won't hold your hand and gently explain why that phone is prohibited - I'll explain it once, clearly and loudly. If you don't learn, then I do one of two things. If I have any respect for you, we do a little ass stomping. You kick my ass? Maybe. I kick your ass? Maybe. But there will be an ass kicking going on.
If I don't respect you, out the door you go. I'll not waste my time on a eunuch.