The United States' "War on Drugs" is the root cause of all that violence in Mexico. And, NAFTA helped to deprive the common man in Mexico of his livelihood, mostly small farmers, thereby driving more recruits into the cartels. Add to that, the fact that there are now about 20 million lawbreaking illegal aliens in the United States. Some indeterminate number of those illegals are also members of Zeta and other cartels.
Everything drug related has to do with the United States. Everything.
I hope that Anonymous has read up on the cartels. They don't play minor league down there. Those sumbitches just cut you up into tiny pieces, and scatter those pieces around the countryside. The average ggek or nerd looking to "do good" in the world would do well to steer clear of this mess. Zeta, like all the other cartels, own police chiefs, mayors, and governors, on both sides of the US/Mexican border. They own representatives in both Mexico City and Washington. And, by "own", I mean, they OWN them. Step out of line, and you die. Really piss off the cartels, and your entire family dies.
To date, all of Anonymous' activities have been "safe", in that all the parties to their little spats have been civilized. There is nothing civilized about those Azteca swine. The casualties in the cartel wars have long ago exceeded 40,000. That is only the "official" number that the Mexican government admits to. I suspect that the real numbers exceed that by 50% or more.
"User". That summarizes half of the nonsense being posted here. This is a techie forum, isn't it? Techies tweak when no tweaking is needed. If you're a "user", then you're not even authorized to be in a server room. GTFO a STAY OUT!
(listens for door slamming as the dweeb runs out)
I just hate it when children blurt out their juvenile bullshit, interrupting the adults. Happens all the time . . .
THAT much is bullshit. US currency is valueless. It's ONLY value is as a measurement of people's faith in the United States government. Which is funny, because the fed isn't even a government agency. The fed is a privately owned company, whose stocks are held by member banks. And, who owns those member banks? Go to Wall Street, and start checking on BofA, and all the other "to big to fail" corporations.
When the government is subsidizing your industry, that is most definitely cheating. But, don't ask any American business involved in the military/industrial complex. They'll most certainly call me a liar!
Oh - wait - did I just make a point that BOTH sides cheat? Oh my, how terrible! Or, not really. I've said it many times. Corporate America sucks! It's just that China sucks a little harder, in some cases.
Surely? Is it possible that you don't understand that women experience a lot of ups and downs, due to hormonal changes? While women MIGHT prefer a male voice SOMETIMES, there are other times that she might prefer that men don't exist. And, no, pregnancy and menstrual cycles are NOT considered to be crippling conditions. Menopause might be considered as such, but don't let my wife know that I said that!
While that seems to be true, my original claim was that rockets can be extinguished then reignited. Those OMS rockets are an example, and the moon missions are another example. It might seem that SOME rockets aren't designed to be shut down, then used again, but it's very possible to shut off fuel flow to other rockets, then ignite them again, at a later time.
Those OMS thrusters seem to have been used during the shuttle's ascent, then later to maneuver for docking and/or to change orbits, then later again for reentry.
I did, however, learn from my little bit of googling. I had assumed that the main engines were used for maneuvering in space. I'm curious why they weren't used - is there some kind of design problem, that prevents them being fired up? Or, is it simply that once inserted into an orbit, the shuttles never had to make enough of a delta change that they required the main engines?
That's about retarded, if you ask me. Engineers are pretty much specialists. Specialists aren't necessarily the best people to solve networking, social, and employment problems. I'm sure that you're not a retard - you've just had one of those infamous blonde moments, right?
Third, gather some unique samples of stuff you find lying around on Mars.
Fourth, preserve those samples for future experimentation.
Fifth, pilot your spacecraft back to Earth, where you will turn over those samples to some carefully selected colleges and universities.
Sixth, patent all the cool shit you used in your spacecraft.
Seventh, patent all the algorithms and other cool shit you used to navigate to Mars and back - not to mention navigating around on the Mars surface.
I see nothing but profit here. You might rival Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, and that guy in Mexico if you can pull all of that off! Don't forget the patents - they're more important than all the other cool shit!
No worries, Mate! Linux users will figure out a hack soon enough. In fact - the criminal element probably already has an angle on it. Criminal kingpins in Russia discussing this article with criminal kingpins in America:
Russian: So, the UK thinks they can block us? American: No, I don't believe that they think that - they are just challenging us to get more creative. Russian: You mean, something like counterfeit chips? American: For starters, yes. We just get some knockoffs made in China, and program them ourselves. Russian: Then what? Fall back to Linux, which the government doesn't control? American: Of course. We already have things like OpenBios. We need to hack some way for all those nosy government agencies to talk with our chip, through Linux, which of course, will tell the government whatever we want it to tell them!
Was it universally recognized that Columbus had a good chance of achieving an economically important goal? Or - did the common man in the street laugh at Columbus and Isabella for wasting money? Forgive the poorly formatted cut and paste - I don't know how to fix it. But, you will find many hits if you search for Columbus and the council at Salamanca.
" A simple mariner standing forth in the midst of an imposing array uf clerical and collegiate sages ; maintaining his theory with natural eloquence, and, as it were, pleading the cbuse of the new world. We arc lold, that when facbegnn to state thr grounds of bii theory, the friars of 8l, Stephen alonr paid attention to him. The others appeared to havp ea- irenched lliemselvea behind one dogged position, name- ly, that, after so many profound philosophers bad occu- pied themfetves' in geographical invcsligfttions, &nd so many able navigators had been voyaging abtfUt the world for ages, it was a great presumption in an ordinary man, to suppose that there remained such -a vast disc over v for him to make.
Several of the objections opposed by this learned body bsve been handed down to us, and have provoked many t the expense of the university of Salamanca ; (Ut they are proofs rather of the imperfect state of science the time, and of the manner in which knowledge, (hoif^h rapidly advancing, was still impeded in its pro- gress by monastic bigotry. Thus, at the very threshold of the discussion, Columbus was assailed with citations lOi theVHde, and the works of the eafly fiithers of the rurch. which were thought incompatible with bia theo-
42 THE LIFE AND VOVAOES
ly : doctrinal points were mixed up with philosophical discuesiona, and eren a mathematical demonstration was allowed no truth, if it appeared to clash nitli a text of scripture, or a commentary of one of the fathers. Thus the poseibility of tlie existence of antipodes in the south- ern hemisphere, though mainiained by the niaesl of the ancients, was disputed by some of the sages of Salaman- na, on the authority of Lactantius and St. Augustine, | those two great luminaries of what has been called the golden age of ecclesiagtical learning. " Is there any one so fooliah," aslu Lactantius, " as to believe ihat ihere arc- antipodes with their feet opposite to ours; people who walk with their heels upward and their heads hanging ilownl That there is a part of the. world in which all iMngs are topsy-turvy ; where the trees grow with their branches downward, and where it rains, hails, and snows upwards? The idea of the roundness of tJie earth," he adds, '.' was the cause of inventing this fable; for these philosophers huviog once erred, go on in their absurdi- ties, defending one with another."
Objections of a graver nature, and more dignified tone, were advanced on the authority of St. Augustine. He pronounces the doctrine of antipodes incompatible with the histoiical foundations of our faith ; since, to assert that there were inhabited lands on the opposite side of the globe, would be to maintain that there were nations not descended from Adam, it being impossible for them to have passed the intervening ocean. This would be, therefore, to discredit the Bible, which expressly declares, tlAt all men are descended from one common parent.
I specifically said "shuttle engines", as opposed to booster engines, used to get the shuttle into high atmosphere/low orbit. Shuttle engines. Ignited, and extinquished, repeatedly, I believe. Let me find some kind of a reference, alright?
The first thing I find, using the search terms that I chose to use, refers to the Apollo flights, where engines were repeatedly ignited and extinquished. Let's remember - the fuel has to be pumped to the engines. Extinguishing an engine is at least somewhat like shutting off a diesel engine - cut off the fuel, the fire goes out!
That last link is about the best I can find so far, and I'm running out of imagination and patience to search further. Enter your own terms, as you see fit, and I'm quite certain that you can find more instances of rocket engines being shut off, then restarted - all without an external ignition source.
ROFLMAO - I DON'T expect everyone to share my personal views. But, looking at your posts, it might seem that you expect as much!
And, BTW - as for robots mining the asteroids, to send nice stuff back to earth? Don't expect that in anyone's lifetime. Not unless men are sent to control and supervise the robots. And, if men are sent, they'll probably want women to be sent. And, if women are sent, you can expect some little people soon enough. Pretty soon - you'll have a colony, however official or unofficial that might be.
One question, though. What do you expect to find in space that is "nice" enough to ship back to earth? Iron? Gems? Heavy metals? I think that you're mostly going to find just plain old rocks, some ores, and a lot of ice.
And, if Isabella had balls, she would have been king. What's your point, exactly? Robotics are better than manned space flight? Hmmm - then why bother sending the damned bots? MY only justification for robots is, they can scout out the richest areas for men to go to. They can find potentially habitable places in space, or confirm that they can be made habitable.
Robots are a means to an end, and that end is to get mankind off of this one stupid rock that we can call our own.
Uhhhmmmm - didn't they shut down the engines, and restart them, on the shuttles? And, didn't they refuel those shuttles, and fling them back into space on new missions? DUHHH! I really can't remember hearing about the shuttle pilots going outside, so that they could strike a match, to start up the rocket engines, either.
Pants are ugly because an ugly person pours him/herself into them every morning. (Well, on the mornings that he/she hasn't just slept in those panst!) If you were to lose about 180 pounds, you might find that you can get some nice looking pants, and you won't have to pay Omar in excess of $200 and a goat for each pair!
"Italy is one of the few remaining chauvanist states."
Perhaps you're unaware of all those theistic Islamic states, where a woman can be stoned to death for defending herself against being raped. Most Asian and Pacific nations are better - but not so much that it bears bragging about. In China, the biggest state in the world, it's customary for men to beat their wives when they feel frustrated, threatened, or just bored.
But, you go on believing that Italy is somehow one of the worst states in the world.
You might want to double check whether the state is great or not. Take a careful look at the state seal. Most state seals that I've ever looked at are labeled "The Great Seal of the State of _________" Not "The Seal of the Great State of _________"
Ditto that comment, 32771. In fact, HBGary was hilarious! I've sort of followed Anonymous around (at a distance) off and on. They actually do a few cool things. I watched them one evening as they escalated attacks against Iranian government sites. Some of those guys are pretty slick, despite the high percentage of script kiddies who don't have a clue.
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Uhh, actually, this has a LOT to do with the USA.
The United States' "War on Drugs" is the root cause of all that violence in Mexico. And, NAFTA helped to deprive the common man in Mexico of his livelihood, mostly small farmers, thereby driving more recruits into the cartels. Add to that, the fact that there are now about 20 million lawbreaking illegal aliens in the United States. Some indeterminate number of those illegals are also members of Zeta and other cartels.
Everything drug related has to do with the United States. Everything.
borderlandbeat.com
I hope that Anonymous has read up on the cartels. They don't play minor league down there. Those sumbitches just cut you up into tiny pieces, and scatter those pieces around the countryside. The average ggek or nerd looking to "do good" in the world would do well to steer clear of this mess. Zeta, like all the other cartels, own police chiefs, mayors, and governors, on both sides of the US/Mexican border. They own representatives in both Mexico City and Washington. And, by "own", I mean, they OWN them. Step out of line, and you die. Really piss off the cartels, and your entire family dies.
To date, all of Anonymous' activities have been "safe", in that all the parties to their little spats have been civilized. There is nothing civilized about those Azteca swine. The casualties in the cartel wars have long ago exceeded 40,000. That is only the "official" number that the Mexican government admits to. I suspect that the real numbers exceed that by 50% or more.
"User". That summarizes half of the nonsense being posted here. This is a techie forum, isn't it? Techies tweak when no tweaking is needed. If you're a "user", then you're not even authorized to be in a server room. GTFO a STAY OUT!
(listens for door slamming as the dweeb runs out)
I just hate it when children blurt out their juvenile bullshit, interrupting the adults. Happens all the time . . .
THAT much is bullshit. US currency is valueless. It's ONLY value is as a measurement of people's faith in the United States government. Which is funny, because the fed isn't even a government agency. The fed is a privately owned company, whose stocks are held by member banks. And, who owns those member banks? Go to Wall Street, and start checking on BofA, and all the other "to big to fail" corporations.
"Those Germans see that right, China's goal is to establish themselves here and to eliminate our locals,"
Assassin's Mace, or, non-symmetrical warfare. They have a mission to become dominant economically, politically, and militarily. And, it's working.
When the government is subsidizing your industry, that is most definitely cheating. But, don't ask any American business involved in the military/industrial complex. They'll most certainly call me a liar!
Oh - wait - did I just make a point that BOTH sides cheat? Oh my, how terrible! Or, not really. I've said it many times. Corporate America sucks! It's just that China sucks a little harder, in some cases.
Surely? Is it possible that you don't understand that women experience a lot of ups and downs, due to hormonal changes? While women MIGHT prefer a male voice SOMETIMES, there are other times that she might prefer that men don't exist. And, no, pregnancy and menstrual cycles are NOT considered to be crippling conditions. Menopause might be considered as such, but don't let my wife know that I said that!
While that seems to be true, my original claim was that rockets can be extinguished then reignited. Those OMS rockets are an example, and the moon missions are another example. It might seem that SOME rockets aren't designed to be shut down, then used again, but it's very possible to shut off fuel flow to other rockets, then ignite them again, at a later time.
Those OMS thrusters seem to have been used during the shuttle's ascent, then later to maneuver for docking and/or to change orbits, then later again for reentry.
I did, however, learn from my little bit of googling. I had assumed that the main engines were used for maneuvering in space. I'm curious why they weren't used - is there some kind of design problem, that prevents them being fired up? Or, is it simply that once inserted into an orbit, the shuttles never had to make enough of a delta change that they required the main engines?
That's about retarded, if you ask me. Engineers are pretty much specialists. Specialists aren't necessarily the best people to solve networking, social, and employment problems. I'm sure that you're not a retard - you've just had one of those infamous blonde moments, right?
First, design and build your own space craft.
Second, pilot that spacecraft to Mars.
Third, gather some unique samples of stuff you find lying around on Mars.
Fourth, preserve those samples for future experimentation.
Fifth, pilot your spacecraft back to Earth, where you will turn over those samples to some carefully selected colleges and universities.
Sixth, patent all the cool shit you used in your spacecraft.
Seventh, patent all the algorithms and other cool shit you used to navigate to Mars and back - not to mention navigating around on the Mars surface.
I see nothing but profit here. You might rival Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, and that guy in Mexico if you can pull all of that off! Don't forget the patents - they're more important than all the other cool shit!
No worries, Mate! Linux users will figure out a hack soon enough. In fact - the criminal element probably already has an angle on it. Criminal kingpins in Russia discussing this article with criminal kingpins in America:
Russian: So, the UK thinks they can block us?
American: No, I don't believe that they think that - they are just challenging us to get more creative.
Russian: You mean, something like counterfeit chips?
American: For starters, yes. We just get some knockoffs made in China, and program them ourselves.
Russian: Then what? Fall back to Linux, which the government doesn't control?
American: Of course. We already have things like OpenBios. We need to hack some way for all those nosy government agencies to talk with our chip, through Linux, which of course, will tell the government whatever we want it to tell them!
Fair enough. But, let me ask a question:
Was it universally recognized that Columbus had a good chance of achieving an economically important goal? Or - did the common man in the street laugh at Columbus and Isabella for wasting money? Forgive the poorly formatted cut and paste - I don't know how to fix it. But, you will find many hits if you search for Columbus and the council at Salamanca.
" A simple mariner standing
forth in the midst of an imposing array uf clerical and
collegiate sages ; maintaining his theory with natural
eloquence, and, as it were, pleading the cbuse of the new
world. We arc lold, that when facbegnn to state thr
grounds of bii theory, the friars of 8l, Stephen alonr
paid attention to him. The others appeared to havp ea-
irenched lliemselvea behind one dogged position, name-
ly, that, after so many profound philosophers bad occu-
pied themfetves' in geographical invcsligfttions, &nd so
many able navigators had been voyaging abtfUt the world
for ages, it was a great presumption in an ordinary man,
to suppose that there remained such -a vast disc over v
for him to make.
Several of the objections opposed by this learned body
bsve been handed down to us, and have provoked many
t the expense of the university of Salamanca ;
(Ut they are proofs rather of the imperfect state of science
the time, and of the manner in which knowledge,
(hoif^h rapidly advancing, was still impeded in its pro-
gress by monastic bigotry. Thus, at the very threshold
of the discussion, Columbus was assailed with citations
lOi theVHde, and the works of the eafly fiithers of the
rurch. which were thought incompatible with bia theo-
42 THE LIFE AND VOVAOES
ly : doctrinal points were mixed up with philosophical
discuesiona, and eren a mathematical demonstration was
allowed no truth, if it appeared to clash nitli a text of
scripture, or a commentary of one of the fathers. Thus
the poseibility of tlie existence of antipodes in the south-
ern hemisphere, though mainiained by the niaesl of the
ancients, was disputed by some of the sages of Salaman-
na, on the authority of Lactantius and St. Augustine, |
those two great luminaries of what has been called the
golden age of ecclesiagtical learning. " Is there any one
so fooliah," aslu Lactantius, " as to believe ihat ihere arc-
antipodes with their feet opposite to ours; people who
walk with their heels upward and their heads hanging
ilownl That there is a part of the. world in which all
iMngs are topsy-turvy ; where the trees grow with their
branches downward, and where it rains, hails, and snows
upwards? The idea of the roundness of tJie earth," he
adds, '.' was the cause of inventing this fable; for these
philosophers huviog once erred, go on in their absurdi-
ties, defending one with another."
Objections of a graver nature, and more dignified tone,
were advanced on the authority of St. Augustine. He
pronounces the doctrine of antipodes incompatible with
the histoiical foundations of our faith ; since, to assert
that there were inhabited lands on the opposite side of
the globe, would be to maintain that there were nations
not descended from Adam, it being impossible for them
to have passed the intervening ocean. This would be,
therefore, to discredit the Bible, which expressly declares,
tlAt all men are descended from one common parent.
I specifically said "shuttle engines", as opposed to booster engines, used to get the shuttle into high atmosphere/low orbit. Shuttle engines. Ignited, and extinquished, repeatedly, I believe. Let me find some kind of a reference, alright?
The first thing I find, using the search terms that I chose to use, refers to the Apollo flights, where engines were repeatedly ignited and extinquished. Let's remember - the fuel has to be pumped to the engines. Extinguishing an engine is at least somewhat like shutting off a diesel engine - cut off the fuel, the fire goes out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8
But, I started out looking for the shuttle engines - so here I go again . . .
Oh - those external ignition sparks? Not ignition at all:
http://www.doobybrain.com/2008/05/18/space-shuttle-engine-ignition-in-slow-motion/
Read the comments, for a better explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Orbital_Maneuvering_System
That last link is about the best I can find so far, and I'm running out of imagination and patience to search further. Enter your own terms, as you see fit, and I'm quite certain that you can find more instances of rocket engines being shut off, then restarted - all without an external ignition source.
ROFLMAO - I DON'T expect everyone to share my personal views. But, looking at your posts, it might seem that you expect as much!
And, BTW - as for robots mining the asteroids, to send nice stuff back to earth? Don't expect that in anyone's lifetime. Not unless men are sent to control and supervise the robots. And, if men are sent, they'll probably want women to be sent. And, if women are sent, you can expect some little people soon enough. Pretty soon - you'll have a colony, however official or unofficial that might be.
One question, though. What do you expect to find in space that is "nice" enough to ship back to earth? Iron? Gems? Heavy metals? I think that you're mostly going to find just plain old rocks, some ores, and a lot of ice.
And, if Isabella had balls, she would have been king. What's your point, exactly? Robotics are better than manned space flight? Hmmm - then why bother sending the damned bots? MY only justification for robots is, they can scout out the richest areas for men to go to. They can find potentially habitable places in space, or confirm that they can be made habitable.
Robots are a means to an end, and that end is to get mankind off of this one stupid rock that we can call our own.
And, what do we have here? A cold, cruel world, where people kill each other. At least on the way to the asteroid belts, there won't be any murders!
Uhhhmmmm - didn't they shut down the engines, and restart them, on the shuttles? And, didn't they refuel those shuttles, and fling them back into space on new missions? DUHHH! I really can't remember hearing about the shuttle pilots going outside, so that they could strike a match, to start up the rocket engines, either.
Pants are ugly because an ugly person pours him/herself into them every morning. (Well, on the mornings that he/she hasn't just slept in those panst!) If you were to lose about 180 pounds, you might find that you can get some nice looking pants, and you won't have to pay Omar in excess of $200 and a goat for each pair!
Wow, you ARE a damaged person, aren't you?
"Italy is one of the few remaining chauvanist states."
Perhaps you're unaware of all those theistic Islamic states, where a woman can be stoned to death for defending herself against being raped. Most Asian and Pacific nations are better - but not so much that it bears bragging about. In China, the biggest state in the world, it's customary for men to beat their wives when they feel frustrated, threatened, or just bored.
But, you go on believing that Italy is somehow one of the worst states in the world.
(overheard in Queen Isabella's court)
Sending that fool, Columbus, on a trip to find a new route to China is just a useless money pit.
LOL - it would seem that I clicked the wrong "reply to this" - my post was addressed at the same comment that your post was. ;^)
"in my great State of Arizona"
You might want to double check whether the state is great or not. Take a careful look at the state seal. Most state seals that I've ever looked at are labeled "The Great Seal of the State of _________" Not "The Seal of the Great State of _________"
That's kind of confusing, if you ask me . . .
Ditto that comment, 32771. In fact, HBGary was hilarious! I've sort of followed Anonymous around (at a distance) off and on. They actually do a few cool things. I watched them one evening as they escalated attacks against Iranian government sites. Some of those guys are pretty slick, despite the high percentage of script kiddies who don't have a clue.
Nope. The carpenter will blame the carpenter's helper, who actually cracked the handle of the hammer two days earlier.