"just as easily cause massive damage with a computer as you can with weapons of other sorts."
Your ass. I've yet to read of serious, real world damage inflicted by use of a computer. On the other hand, the damage caused by flying a few jet airliners into strategically important buildings has been immense. Come back with your claim when you have real citations to offer, alright?
Remote Exploit.
In case you're not really up on your hacker tools, and can't figure that out, I'll add one more word. Backtrack.
Google is your friend.
Please, define "best strategists".
Allow me to remind you that during the Civil War, the "best strategists" as well as the "best" tacticians the North had available had their asses handed to them on a platter, by the Southern rebel rabble. Only after several spectacular failures were some misfits promoted to positions of authority and responsibility. Those misfits, like Grant and Sherman, managed to get the war on track, and eventually win the war. Go ahead, look at the long list of general officers who were relieved of command before the Union started getting it's shit together. It's a LONG frigging list!
Those men and women who make a good show in front of their congress critters and pentagon officials may or may not be competent in real life.
My definition of "best strategists" would be "the most effective strategists". So far, all the suckups have been WRONG!! If we mean to win the war, we need some misfits who think outside the box, and are willing to do whatever is required to win. If we aren't willing to turn the misfits loose, and back them up with whatever they say they need to win, then we have no business waging war. Instead, we need to crawl back under the porch, and lay down with the whipped dogs.
If you need any specifics about what is needed to win in Afghanistan - we MUST go into Pakistan. We cannot win the fight while the enemy forces have a safe haven to run to. We should have learned that in Viet Nam. In the early years, we MIGHT HAVE broken the North Vietnamese' will to fight, had we gone after them with everything we had, and allowed them no safe haven. I stress, MIGHT HAVE. But, allowing them safe havens anywhere at all spelled doom and disaster for us, ultimately.
Problem with that idea is, there is no "average soldier" any more than there is an "average American". Soldiers come from all demographics, from every state, city, county and town. Some are dumber than rocks - despite the military's efforts to weed them out - and some are frigging GENIUSES! Some are lazy, some are hyperactive little freaks. I don't know how else to explain it. Whatever quality or trait is needed, the military HAS IT!!
Now, given that all other factors are near equal - the military says that it prefers combat veterans for their special purpose unit. Key words - "all other factors are nearly equal". Obviously they aren't going to put some chump in the unit who barely understands how to dial a dumb phone, let alone a smart phone. They aren't going to take a soldier with a high school GED over another soldier who has 2 years of technical training. Think before you run at the mouth, alright?
Besides - if there were an "average soldier", you might be surprised to find that he is a lot smarter than you think. Stupid people die quickly in warzones. The survivors aren't necessarily geniuses, but they ain't stupid!
Thank you, Sir. I posted almost the same thing, before I scrolled down far enough to read your post. IBM is maybe Western, but certainly not American. Their ONLY loyalty is to the accumulation of wealth.
IBM isn't exactly "American" anyway. They would probably qualify as "Western", but they are a multinational corporation with no loyalty to the United States. They are just waving an American flag today, hoping that it will motivate some ignorant politicians to vote for something that IBM wants. Like, maybe funding for an even larger supercomputer.
We really are world class chumps if we fall for that. Or, world class chimps. Whichever . . .
Wait. Who owns the chip? Who paid for that chip? Apparently, the chip was implanted into the animal so that the chip can be found, and incidentally, the animal with it. Seems a breach of contract if the people who sold the chip and the services to me won't tell me where to find my chip.
Sounds like someone was arguing the wrong case here. Time to start all over, and file suit against the chip manufacturer and/or marketer for breach of contract.
You don't go far enough, natehoy. If hosting sites of any kind are held liable for user generated content, the rule will quickly spread. Let's take any hate site - there are plenty of them, and I stumble over them here and there. The Aryan Superiority groups are illegal in some places, and other places would like to make them illegal. If the hosting site were made responsible for the hate content, any number of governments could hold the owner of the server responsible for the trash, and shut him down. When the Aryans are taken care of, some other government will go after the pro-Jewish sites, calling them racist or whatever. It would spread like wildfire. Soon, there would be no hosting sites at all, for anything. No political discussion, no music, no movies, no fan clubs, no social networks - about all that you would see left on the internet would be paid for advertising and "approved" content.
Take all the worst that Murdoch wants, plus all the worst of what Australia wants, add all the evil that China and Iran want, keep adding the most idiotic bullshit from every other country in the world, roll into one of the most obnoxious cigars ever created, then multiply by a power of ten or so.
I know, people don't generally like slippery slope arguments, but there it is. Give the government and the big corporations an inch, and they'll take a mile.
Again, I agree. Small content providers can't afford to monitor everything on Google. But, wait. If they can't afford to monitor Google, then it's quite likely that they can't afford a lot of advertising either. DAMN! I just realized!! GOOGLE PROVIDES FREE ADVERTISING FOR SMALL CONTENT PROVIDERS!!!!!
Why hasn't anyone ever noticed this before? Am I really the first?
Alright - enough for sarcasm. Just pull your head out of your ass, and everything will be just fine.
You're right, of course. And, if anyone paints obscene, derogatory, inflammatory, libelous graffiti on the side of your car, house, boat, or whatever, then you should be liable and go to jail and/or pay any fines, suits, or penalties involved. And, if you EVER put up a bulletin board, be perpared for the consequences!
IE ROOLZ IN HELL!!
Err, actually, maybe not. What is the official language in hell? Opera may well have an edge if the demons prefer cyrillic alphabet languages!
Why export them? We can grind them up for dog food right here! There may be dogs starving in (fill in the blank with whichever country the charities are plugging today) but I'm all for looking after our own starving dogs first!
I do the same with cars. I refuse to drive a car worth several thousand dollars to the plant, only to have one of the macho morons flatten it with his Monster 4X4, or one of the illegal aliens do the same damage with his car. I buy old cars, ten to fifteen years old, for a thousand dollars or so - sometimes less. The LAST one I bought for 800 bucks lasted four years. The one I'm driving now cost me $500, and it's going on 5 months. If it burns up tomorrow, I've lost nothing really - and I can replace it in a few hours.
Why waste money on shine, when parking at the plant guarantees that the shine will be gone in six months anyway? When I want to go someplace in comfort, I steal one of the cars sitting in the yard. Let the kids pay those big bucks for shiny - Dad will save his money for more important stuff!
I see posts disagreeing with you - but my own company is a lot like you say. Without naming brands, we make stuff for a LOT of chainsaws. There were several brands between 40 and 20 years ago, that sold EXCELLENT saws - heavy duty machines that a man could work hard all day, every day, for weeks on end. Now, let's face it - those small two cycle engines took a beating, and if you ran a new saw for three months without a breakdown, you were doing quite well. But, you rebuilt the blasted thing, and it would go another three months.
Today, there are only a FEW brands on the market - and they are really all the same damned saw. Stihl still makes an excellent machine, and Husqvarna's premium machines are just about as good as Stihl. I can't name another brand of professional quality saw. There may be one or two, but I've never heard of them, or used their machines.
We make all the rest. Trash. Half of our machines are sold, KNOWING that few of them will last for 100 hours of hard use. They are toys, put on the market for suburban homeowners and the odd guy who feels the need to show how "macho" he is. In fact, a lot of them have silly names from television! Just stupid toys.
Oh yeah - Husqvarna owns our company now, along with a good half dozen other brands. Although they still make a few top quality saws, they are happy as pigs in mud to market the trash. There's money in it, after all. Stupid consumers . . .
Hey - I'm as opinionated as anyone around here. And, to be honest, I don't always have the knowledge and/or experience to back up my opinions. That doesn't stop me at all! I tell 'em what I think, and sometimes, they prove me wrong, sometimes people agree with me. I don't worry about karma at all - I just express my opinion. Know what? I still have excellent karma! Wanna buy some? How does 50 USD per gram sound?;^)
"most shops will happily provide extra cash if you're paying with debit card - dunno if that is common in other places."
It's common practice everywhere that I've lived in the US. I've been denied extra cash at little country stores when traveling on occasion. Small Mom & Pop places that don't have the most up-to-date hardware and software, and/or aren't willing to pay the fees associated with upgrading. Having driven truck, I know that it's quite expensive for a truck stop to do business with corporations like ComCheck. ComCheck is SECURE, but the fees are exorbitant. I have little idea how expensive it is for an EZ-Mart or any other little store to do business with Ameri-Card - but I'm sure it costs.
Ever notice how many made-up terms there are in the English language? When I complain that the gay movement took over a word that had nothing to do with homosexuality, I'm just laughed at. My cousin was named Gay, long before the homos took the word for their own.
Get used to copyleft. It's a legitimate word now.
It isn't being pedantic, at all. The GPL was created to do the exact opposite of what a copyright does. While it relies on copyright law, it is not a copyright. It is an outgrowth of copyright law, with entirely different intentions. It is very much a legitimate word, with legitimate goals.
Sorry if you don't like the word, but the difference between copyright and copyleft has been spelled out time and time again, in many different places, by many many people.
You have to make it AVAILABLE, I believe. I'm almost certain that I read a long discussion somewhere, in which it was decided that providing a link to the source and a link to the GPL was sufficient. You could host the source and the GPL on your own server, or you could arrange to ensure that both were hosted on a reliable server. Mind you, I'm only ALMOST certain of that - and I don't really care enough to go looking for the answer.
But, let's suppose that I"m wrong. Let's say that you MUST package the source, the GPL, AND your newer version for download, directly from your own server. Again - how many people are going to download the source for the package which you build up from? If they want the source at all, they want the source to the software that you are offering.
Alter, repackage, and distribute all you want - people do it every day. How are your rights limited? Oh - wait - yes, it would really infringe your rights terribly to include a link to the original, and a link to the GPL.
We could quibble over which of the open source licenses are the most "free" - but the GPL really doesn't place any onerous restrictions on you. You got something free, and you can't make it your own. You could of course CLONE IT, repackage it, and do whatever you wish with it. The open source community clones things all the time.
Maybe you're complaining that going to all the trouble to clone a GPL'd application wouldn't be "cost effective", in that people would use the GPL'd version before they would pay you for the privilege of using almost the same thing?
Take your pint, and mine too. That future sounds to damned gay for me! I couldn't get past the angelic smiles. When the bastards are smiling, I know they are up to something!
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"just as easily cause massive damage with a computer as you can with weapons of other sorts." Your ass. I've yet to read of serious, real world damage inflicted by use of a computer. On the other hand, the damage caused by flying a few jet airliners into strategically important buildings has been immense. Come back with your claim when you have real citations to offer, alright?
Remote Exploit. In case you're not really up on your hacker tools, and can't figure that out, I'll add one more word. Backtrack. Google is your friend.
Please, define "best strategists". Allow me to remind you that during the Civil War, the "best strategists" as well as the "best" tacticians the North had available had their asses handed to them on a platter, by the Southern rebel rabble. Only after several spectacular failures were some misfits promoted to positions of authority and responsibility. Those misfits, like Grant and Sherman, managed to get the war on track, and eventually win the war. Go ahead, look at the long list of general officers who were relieved of command before the Union started getting it's shit together. It's a LONG frigging list! Those men and women who make a good show in front of their congress critters and pentagon officials may or may not be competent in real life. My definition of "best strategists" would be "the most effective strategists". So far, all the suckups have been WRONG!! If we mean to win the war, we need some misfits who think outside the box, and are willing to do whatever is required to win. If we aren't willing to turn the misfits loose, and back them up with whatever they say they need to win, then we have no business waging war. Instead, we need to crawl back under the porch, and lay down with the whipped dogs. If you need any specifics about what is needed to win in Afghanistan - we MUST go into Pakistan. We cannot win the fight while the enemy forces have a safe haven to run to. We should have learned that in Viet Nam. In the early years, we MIGHT HAVE broken the North Vietnamese' will to fight, had we gone after them with everything we had, and allowed them no safe haven. I stress, MIGHT HAVE. But, allowing them safe havens anywhere at all spelled doom and disaster for us, ultimately.
Problem with that idea is, there is no "average soldier" any more than there is an "average American". Soldiers come from all demographics, from every state, city, county and town. Some are dumber than rocks - despite the military's efforts to weed them out - and some are frigging GENIUSES! Some are lazy, some are hyperactive little freaks. I don't know how else to explain it. Whatever quality or trait is needed, the military HAS IT!! Now, given that all other factors are near equal - the military says that it prefers combat veterans for their special purpose unit. Key words - "all other factors are nearly equal". Obviously they aren't going to put some chump in the unit who barely understands how to dial a dumb phone, let alone a smart phone. They aren't going to take a soldier with a high school GED over another soldier who has 2 years of technical training. Think before you run at the mouth, alright? Besides - if there were an "average soldier", you might be surprised to find that he is a lot smarter than you think. Stupid people die quickly in warzones. The survivors aren't necessarily geniuses, but they ain't stupid!
The surprising part is that Dave hasn't sued for patent infringement. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/06/15/1316257.shtml?tid=123&tid=99 http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8472 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040312/1522218.shtml Maybe they forgot to file a patent?
Hey, that was my line. I never got drunk enough to even DREAM about spending the money that Bush junior did!
Thank you, Sir. I posted almost the same thing, before I scrolled down far enough to read your post. IBM is maybe Western, but certainly not American. Their ONLY loyalty is to the accumulation of wealth.
IBM isn't exactly "American" anyway. They would probably qualify as "Western", but they are a multinational corporation with no loyalty to the United States. They are just waving an American flag today, hoping that it will motivate some ignorant politicians to vote for something that IBM wants. Like, maybe funding for an even larger supercomputer. We really are world class chumps if we fall for that. Or, world class chimps. Whichever . . .
Wait. Who owns the chip? Who paid for that chip? Apparently, the chip was implanted into the animal so that the chip can be found, and incidentally, the animal with it. Seems a breach of contract if the people who sold the chip and the services to me won't tell me where to find my chip. Sounds like someone was arguing the wrong case here. Time to start all over, and file suit against the chip manufacturer and/or marketer for breach of contract.
You don't go far enough, natehoy. If hosting sites of any kind are held liable for user generated content, the rule will quickly spread. Let's take any hate site - there are plenty of them, and I stumble over them here and there. The Aryan Superiority groups are illegal in some places, and other places would like to make them illegal. If the hosting site were made responsible for the hate content, any number of governments could hold the owner of the server responsible for the trash, and shut him down. When the Aryans are taken care of, some other government will go after the pro-Jewish sites, calling them racist or whatever. It would spread like wildfire. Soon, there would be no hosting sites at all, for anything. No political discussion, no music, no movies, no fan clubs, no social networks - about all that you would see left on the internet would be paid for advertising and "approved" content. Take all the worst that Murdoch wants, plus all the worst of what Australia wants, add all the evil that China and Iran want, keep adding the most idiotic bullshit from every other country in the world, roll into one of the most obnoxious cigars ever created, then multiply by a power of ten or so. I know, people don't generally like slippery slope arguments, but there it is. Give the government and the big corporations an inch, and they'll take a mile.
Again, I agree. Small content providers can't afford to monitor everything on Google. But, wait. If they can't afford to monitor Google, then it's quite likely that they can't afford a lot of advertising either. DAMN! I just realized!! GOOGLE PROVIDES FREE ADVERTISING FOR SMALL CONTENT PROVIDERS!!!!! Why hasn't anyone ever noticed this before? Am I really the first? Alright - enough for sarcasm. Just pull your head out of your ass, and everything will be just fine.
You're right, of course. And, if anyone paints obscene, derogatory, inflammatory, libelous graffiti on the side of your car, house, boat, or whatever, then you should be liable and go to jail and/or pay any fines, suits, or penalties involved. And, if you EVER put up a bulletin board, be perpared for the consequences!
IE ROOLZ IN HELL!! Err, actually, maybe not. What is the official language in hell? Opera may well have an edge if the demons prefer cyrillic alphabet languages!
Why export them? We can grind them up for dog food right here! There may be dogs starving in (fill in the blank with whichever country the charities are plugging today) but I'm all for looking after our own starving dogs first!
I do the same with cars. I refuse to drive a car worth several thousand dollars to the plant, only to have one of the macho morons flatten it with his Monster 4X4, or one of the illegal aliens do the same damage with his car. I buy old cars, ten to fifteen years old, for a thousand dollars or so - sometimes less. The LAST one I bought for 800 bucks lasted four years. The one I'm driving now cost me $500, and it's going on 5 months. If it burns up tomorrow, I've lost nothing really - and I can replace it in a few hours. Why waste money on shine, when parking at the plant guarantees that the shine will be gone in six months anyway? When I want to go someplace in comfort, I steal one of the cars sitting in the yard. Let the kids pay those big bucks for shiny - Dad will save his money for more important stuff!
I see posts disagreeing with you - but my own company is a lot like you say. Without naming brands, we make stuff for a LOT of chainsaws. There were several brands between 40 and 20 years ago, that sold EXCELLENT saws - heavy duty machines that a man could work hard all day, every day, for weeks on end. Now, let's face it - those small two cycle engines took a beating, and if you ran a new saw for three months without a breakdown, you were doing quite well. But, you rebuilt the blasted thing, and it would go another three months. Today, there are only a FEW brands on the market - and they are really all the same damned saw. Stihl still makes an excellent machine, and Husqvarna's premium machines are just about as good as Stihl. I can't name another brand of professional quality saw. There may be one or two, but I've never heard of them, or used their machines. We make all the rest. Trash. Half of our machines are sold, KNOWING that few of them will last for 100 hours of hard use. They are toys, put on the market for suburban homeowners and the odd guy who feels the need to show how "macho" he is. In fact, a lot of them have silly names from television! Just stupid toys. Oh yeah - Husqvarna owns our company now, along with a good half dozen other brands. Although they still make a few top quality saws, they are happy as pigs in mud to market the trash. There's money in it, after all. Stupid consumers . . .
Hey - I'm as opinionated as anyone around here. And, to be honest, I don't always have the knowledge and/or experience to back up my opinions. That doesn't stop me at all! I tell 'em what I think, and sometimes, they prove me wrong, sometimes people agree with me. I don't worry about karma at all - I just express my opinion. Know what? I still have excellent karma! Wanna buy some? How does 50 USD per gram sound? ;^)
My opinion, this AC is the dirt in the douche bottle that made the lady just throw the bottle away and do without the douche.
"most shops will happily provide extra cash if you're paying with debit card - dunno if that is common in other places." It's common practice everywhere that I've lived in the US. I've been denied extra cash at little country stores when traveling on occasion. Small Mom & Pop places that don't have the most up-to-date hardware and software, and/or aren't willing to pay the fees associated with upgrading. Having driven truck, I know that it's quite expensive for a truck stop to do business with corporations like ComCheck. ComCheck is SECURE, but the fees are exorbitant. I have little idea how expensive it is for an EZ-Mart or any other little store to do business with Ameri-Card - but I'm sure it costs.
Ever notice how many made-up terms there are in the English language? When I complain that the gay movement took over a word that had nothing to do with homosexuality, I'm just laughed at. My cousin was named Gay, long before the homos took the word for their own. Get used to copyleft. It's a legitimate word now.
It isn't being pedantic, at all. The GPL was created to do the exact opposite of what a copyright does. While it relies on copyright law, it is not a copyright. It is an outgrowth of copyright law, with entirely different intentions. It is very much a legitimate word, with legitimate goals. Sorry if you don't like the word, but the difference between copyright and copyleft has been spelled out time and time again, in many different places, by many many people.
You have to make it AVAILABLE, I believe. I'm almost certain that I read a long discussion somewhere, in which it was decided that providing a link to the source and a link to the GPL was sufficient. You could host the source and the GPL on your own server, or you could arrange to ensure that both were hosted on a reliable server. Mind you, I'm only ALMOST certain of that - and I don't really care enough to go looking for the answer. But, let's suppose that I"m wrong. Let's say that you MUST package the source, the GPL, AND your newer version for download, directly from your own server. Again - how many people are going to download the source for the package which you build up from? If they want the source at all, they want the source to the software that you are offering.
Alter, repackage, and distribute all you want - people do it every day. How are your rights limited? Oh - wait - yes, it would really infringe your rights terribly to include a link to the original, and a link to the GPL. We could quibble over which of the open source licenses are the most "free" - but the GPL really doesn't place any onerous restrictions on you. You got something free, and you can't make it your own. You could of course CLONE IT, repackage it, and do whatever you wish with it. The open source community clones things all the time. Maybe you're complaining that going to all the trouble to clone a GPL'd application wouldn't be "cost effective", in that people would use the GPL'd version before they would pay you for the privilege of using almost the same thing?
GPL isn't copyright. It's copyleft. Instead of limiting your rights, as copyright does, copyleft attempts to guarantee your rights.
Take your pint, and mine too. That future sounds to damned gay for me! I couldn't get past the angelic smiles. When the bastards are smiling, I know they are up to something!