"People going on a shooting spree are as much a victim of society as the people they kill."
With that statement, you simply assume that all people are good, and that no people are evil. And, that idea is so terribly naive, so stupid, that we shouldn't have to discuss it.
The FACT IS, evil little children grow into evil teens, who grow into evil young adults, who then mature into evil adults, and eventually evil old bastards.
You may pretend that no child is evil. You and society in general may pretend that all children are equal in all respects.
I'll go with Darwin, and survival of the fittest. Some kids are simply unfit to fit into society in any way, shape, or form.
And, I suspect that every member of Slashdot who happens to be a mother, or hopes to be a mother, will hate me forever now.
Oh, but you MUST be wrong! Hitler and Stalin, among others, made possession of potential murder weapons illegal! No one in Europe could have been murdered while they were in power!/sarcasm
I suggest that people with your attitude just GROW UP. I submit that people are dangerous. Almost all people have the capacity to kill, given the proper motivation. The people who are made infamous by these school shootings have found that motivation. A lot of the victims of these shooters have found the motivation as well, but they were denied the tools by society, and by people like you.
You act as if guns are the only tools which might be used by a mass murderer. This is slashdot - why don't we submit a survey, to find out how many people know the basics for making a bomb? It's not terribly complex, after all. A novice can collect a few pounds of explosive material, and design a simple time delay fuse, or even an impact fuse. A novice in junior high school can find the basic instructions on line, and begin to refine those instructions into a plan. I'm wondering how many elementary school fifth and sixth grade kids could do it, given strong enough motivation.
Then, we have gases. If guns are hard to get, gassing a school may become a more inviting method of mass murder. Or poison.
I've got a better idea. Instead of pointing fingers at the NRA, take a good look at Hollyweird. 24 hours a day, movies are playing that make teen idols of people shooting up shopping malls, residential areas, downtown areas, office buildings - you name it. I submit that the MPAA has invested untold billions of dollars, brainwashing the less stable elements of society to use firearms as a solution to their problems.
Of course, you can come to my house to confiscate my weapons.
Oh, what's that? You're not going to do that? You're going to send some other mother's children to do the confiscating? Yeah, that's what I thought. All mouth, and no action. You want to give money, and give guns, to young men who desire power and authority so that THEY can come bust my doors down, and take MY weapons.
If and when you and yours have achieved this Utopian police state that you dream of, I hope you enjoy it. I can see it now, Chicago Land all across the United States.
Oh, FFS - you sound like a jealous little boy who wanted to be diddled by Assange. To bad for you, he likes women.
While you're throwing around baseless accusations, I'd like to remind you that the bimbos in questions seduced Assange, not the other way around. When women are throwing themselves at men, the men can't be accused of fucking their way through women.
I like your title. Let's just assume that Snowden has everything. He only left behind some inconsequential bullshit. He downloaded everything, just as most of us would.
" this new disclosure says to me is that there might be things that go WAY beyond what we have learned"
I thought that was a given. It is well known that Snowden claims to have reserved some mind blowing information, deposited in various places, with a dead man's switch. If he dies or goes missing, the stuff is released.
I used the term "leader", and that is exactly what I meant. Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and other institutions have worked over the years to define "leadership". The US Navy has it's Leadership and Management Effectiveness Training, which is largely derived from some of those studies - primarily Princeton. A good working definition of leadership is, "The art of motivating people to do that which they ought to do anyway."
Today's "leaders" lack any vision which I might identify with, or if they have a vision, they utterly fail to convey that vision to us, in the population at large. How can they motivate, if they lack a vision, or fail to communicate that vision?
The closest things to leaders in America today, are those corporate heads who are bent on fleecing the population. They are very effective at transferring wealth from the lower end of the food chain to the higher end.
Why not? Any number of bright young people* may have started accounts here while in their teens. A user number is no indication of age, maturity, or much of anything else. It only indicates that he/she has been a member of slashdot longer than most of us.
*I say "bright" because the not-so-bright didn't waste their time on slashdot. Instead, they were designing horrid eyesores in places like MySpace.
Yes, I can see that the United States is re-tooling. And, there is little if any room permitted for exploration or expansion.
Have you looked very seriously at the bulk of non-terrorism related legislation and treaty making lately? It's all about carving up the "intellectual property" biosphere among big corporations. Take a look at the neoconservative movement, which represented a moderately large part of conservative people and corporations. Their basic dream, was to have all the men, women, and children of the world working directly or indirectly for Wall Street.
Legislation related to terrorism tends to support that biosphere. Hacking into a corporate computer today is equated to terrorism. Reverse engineering some code is illegal, and can be deemed a criminal offense.
We live in an introspective society, dedicated to two goals: The accumulation of wealth in very few pockets, and preservation of the status quo.
Needless to say, I don't like what I can see of our future.
Not even the English can claim a continent, right?
Anyone can claim any damned thing they like. If they are the only people around, they get to set the rules. If China puts a crew up there, with orders to confiscate the US flags already there, and replace them with Chinese flags, WTF are we going to do about it? Run to the United Nations, to whine and snivel?
What about money? We have resources lying around the country already - both human and material. We have the ability to do it all over again, any time.
What we lack, is backbone, initiative, the dream, the drive, the balls. Our leaders today are less than men, and there seem to be no real men to run the worthless bastards out of power.
Money. Money is important, in it's own right, but money doesn't control our ability to aim high. That ability is only governed by our lack of courage.
That does look cool, but why on earth did they base it on Ubuntu, instead of Debian? Looks like they want to do things their own way, but they've huddled up under Ubuntu's umbrella, where it's the "Ubuntu way, or the highway!" As a straight Debian derivative, they would have far more room to maneuver, which ever direction they decided to maneuver in.
Government works the same way. How else did we get the Patriot Act, NSA funding for all that evil nonsense, more and more draconian "hacking" laws, as well as "terrorist" laws? How else do they justify dragging grammar school children out of their classrooms for pointing a fingers and saying "Bang!"
Who really cares about the sexual proclivities of furries? I'm more worried about the proclivities of these secretive anal spies. They seem to be getting off on the conversations of pre-pubescent young men of all ages.
Of course the intelligence community is going to leak such a story, or ten, or a thousand. They want us to believe that they are actually catching terrorists, and they want us to believe that all they money they are pissing away is well spent. So, they'll tell us that they are catching Al Queda terrorists on WoW, and all the other gaming worlds.
I certainly hope that they have infiltrated the online doll makers and doll costume crowd. I know of at least one red headed Pagan who frequents those sites. That woman is a holy terror, and God knows what kind of people she associates with!
Almost a minute and a half of nonsense before the first frame of the "explosion".
It's hard to judge the scale, but all that's there, is a ruptured pipeline, shooting water maybe 75 feet into the air. Need more context - how and why is it characterized as an "explosion"?
It would take trillions of years to colonize the known universe.
I'm not even very interested in the universe. Let's just take the damned moon, and Mars. Hell, the moon can become the new Australia. "Welcome to New Australia Penal Colony, Convict 4,107,239."
Slashdot Mirror
Chlorine is accessible to almost every child in the United States. Should we ban bleach?
"People going on a shooting spree are as much a victim of society as the people they kill."
With that statement, you simply assume that all people are good, and that no people are evil. And, that idea is so terribly naive, so stupid, that we shouldn't have to discuss it.
The FACT IS, evil little children grow into evil teens, who grow into evil young adults, who then mature into evil adults, and eventually evil old bastards.
You may pretend that no child is evil. You and society in general may pretend that all children are equal in all respects.
I'll go with Darwin, and survival of the fittest. Some kids are simply unfit to fit into society in any way, shape, or form.
And, I suspect that every member of Slashdot who happens to be a mother, or hopes to be a mother, will hate me forever now.
Oh, but you MUST be wrong! Hitler and Stalin, among others, made possession of potential murder weapons illegal! No one in Europe could have been murdered while they were in power! /sarcasm
I suggest that people with your attitude just GROW UP. I submit that people are dangerous. Almost all people have the capacity to kill, given the proper motivation. The people who are made infamous by these school shootings have found that motivation. A lot of the victims of these shooters have found the motivation as well, but they were denied the tools by society, and by people like you.
You act as if guns are the only tools which might be used by a mass murderer. This is slashdot - why don't we submit a survey, to find out how many people know the basics for making a bomb? It's not terribly complex, after all. A novice can collect a few pounds of explosive material, and design a simple time delay fuse, or even an impact fuse. A novice in junior high school can find the basic instructions on line, and begin to refine those instructions into a plan. I'm wondering how many elementary school fifth and sixth grade kids could do it, given strong enough motivation.
Then, we have gases. If guns are hard to get, gassing a school may become a more inviting method of mass murder. Or poison.
I've got a better idea. Instead of pointing fingers at the NRA, take a good look at Hollyweird. 24 hours a day, movies are playing that make teen idols of people shooting up shopping malls, residential areas, downtown areas, office buildings - you name it. I submit that the MPAA has invested untold billions of dollars, brainwashing the less stable elements of society to use firearms as a solution to their problems.
Of course, you can come to my house to confiscate my weapons.
Oh, what's that? You're not going to do that? You're going to send some other mother's children to do the confiscating? Yeah, that's what I thought. All mouth, and no action. You want to give money, and give guns, to young men who desire power and authority so that THEY can come bust my doors down, and take MY weapons.
If and when you and yours have achieved this Utopian police state that you dream of, I hope you enjoy it. I can see it now, Chicago Land all across the United States.
Oh, FFS - you sound like a jealous little boy who wanted to be diddled by Assange. To bad for you, he likes women.
While you're throwing around baseless accusations, I'd like to remind you that the bimbos in questions seduced Assange, not the other way around. When women are throwing themselves at men, the men can't be accused of fucking their way through women.
I like your title. Let's just assume that Snowden has everything. He only left behind some inconsequential bullshit. He downloaded everything, just as most of us would.
" this new disclosure says to me is that there might be things that go WAY beyond what we have learned"
I thought that was a given. It is well known that Snowden claims to have reserved some mind blowing information, deposited in various places, with a dead man's switch. If he dies or goes missing, the stuff is released.
I used the term "leader", and that is exactly what I meant. Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and other institutions have worked over the years to define "leadership". The US Navy has it's Leadership and Management Effectiveness Training, which is largely derived from some of those studies - primarily Princeton. A good working definition of leadership is, "The art of motivating people to do that which they ought to do anyway."
Today's "leaders" lack any vision which I might identify with, or if they have a vision, they utterly fail to convey that vision to us, in the population at large. How can they motivate, if they lack a vision, or fail to communicate that vision?
The closest things to leaders in America today, are those corporate heads who are bent on fleecing the population. They are very effective at transferring wealth from the lower end of the food chain to the higher end.
Why not? Any number of bright young people* may have started accounts here while in their teens. A user number is no indication of age, maturity, or much of anything else. It only indicates that he/she has been a member of slashdot longer than most of us.
*I say "bright" because the not-so-bright didn't waste their time on slashdot. Instead, they were designing horrid eyesores in places like MySpace.
" What we are is re-tooling for the future."
Yes, I can see that the United States is re-tooling. And, there is little if any room permitted for exploration or expansion.
Have you looked very seriously at the bulk of non-terrorism related legislation and treaty making lately? It's all about carving up the "intellectual property" biosphere among big corporations. Take a look at the neoconservative movement, which represented a moderately large part of conservative people and corporations. Their basic dream, was to have all the men, women, and children of the world working directly or indirectly for Wall Street.
Legislation related to terrorism tends to support that biosphere. Hacking into a corporate computer today is equated to terrorism. Reverse engineering some code is illegal, and can be deemed a criminal offense.
We live in an introspective society, dedicated to two goals: The accumulation of wealth in very few pockets, and preservation of the status quo.
Needless to say, I don't like what I can see of our future.
Do you own property, or does property own you?
Not even the English can claim a continent, right?
Anyone can claim any damned thing they like. If they are the only people around, they get to set the rules. If China puts a crew up there, with orders to confiscate the US flags already there, and replace them with Chinese flags, WTF are we going to do about it? Run to the United Nations, to whine and snivel?
What about money? We have resources lying around the country already - both human and material. We have the ability to do it all over again, any time.
What we lack, is backbone, initiative, the dream, the drive, the balls. Our leaders today are less than men, and there seem to be no real men to run the worthless bastards out of power.
Money. Money is important, in it's own right, but money doesn't control our ability to aim high. That ability is only governed by our lack of courage.
That does look cool, but why on earth did they base it on Ubuntu, instead of Debian? Looks like they want to do things their own way, but they've huddled up under Ubuntu's umbrella, where it's the "Ubuntu way, or the highway!" As a straight Debian derivative, they would have far more room to maneuver, which ever direction they decided to maneuver in.
Don't tell US what kind of children we should have! We'll choose whatever the hell we want! Some of us actually love our little mutants.
Touché
It's all Bush's fault! BUSH, BUSH, BUSH, BUSH!! It's all Bush's fault, doesn't matter that the house is controlled by the other party!
Have you looked at Chicago lately? The dystopia is here already, thanks to gun control nuts.
I trust the gun nuts far more than I trust the gun control nuts.
Government works the same way. How else did we get the Patriot Act, NSA funding for all that evil nonsense, more and more draconian "hacking" laws, as well as "terrorist" laws? How else do they justify dragging grammar school children out of their classrooms for pointing a fingers and saying "Bang!"
Welcome to the 21st Century, Comrade.
Heh - greetings from the future. And, don't be around the World Trade Center in September, 2001.
Who really cares about the sexual proclivities of furries? I'm more worried about the proclivities of these secretive anal spies. They seem to be getting off on the conversations of pre-pubescent young men of all ages.
Of course the intelligence community is going to leak such a story, or ten, or a thousand. They want us to believe that they are actually catching terrorists, and they want us to believe that all they money they are pissing away is well spent. So, they'll tell us that they are catching Al Queda terrorists on WoW, and all the other gaming worlds.
I certainly hope that they have infiltrated the online doll makers and doll costume crowd. I know of at least one red headed Pagan who frequents those sites. That woman is a holy terror, and God knows what kind of people she associates with!
Forgot link! DUHH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGZyaCJPuc
Almost a minute and a half of nonsense before the first frame of the "explosion".
It's hard to judge the scale, but all that's there, is a ruptured pipeline, shooting water maybe 75 feet into the air. Need more context - how and why is it characterized as an "explosion"?
It would take trillions of years to colonize the known universe.
I'm not even very interested in the universe. Let's just take the damned moon, and Mars. Hell, the moon can become the new Australia. "Welcome to New Australia Penal Colony, Convict 4,107,239."