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Canonical Moving Away From GNOME Control Center
jones_supa writes "This announcement comes from the ubuntu-desktop mailing list. Due to GNOME Control Center already being a heavily patched version in Ubuntu, Canonical is planning to found their own fork called Unity Control Center. This would be a fork with a limited lifespan and later on they would move to something called Ubuntu System Settings, an in-house project. For now, a PPA has been set up to test the new fork."
It's weird how a project that consists of repackaging everything Debian has developed such a NIH problem.
I heard they have tons of kernel patches as well, so soon they'll start a new in-house project, called Hurd!
(Still) Ubuntu user here, but couldn't resist.
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Why don't they just develop their own kernel and be done with it?
Is this supposed to be worthy of front-page attention? Or this just more faux rage click-bait?
Kinda strange, since Canonical and the Gnome guys definitely deserve each other.
Ubuntu is steadily moving away from Gnome and aligning more with Qt. (See: Ubuntu Phone's QML-based UI.) Getting rid of Gnome's system settings is just another small step in that direction.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
"Hybryde Linux is an Ubuntu-based distribution for the desktop. Its most unusual feature is an option to switch rapidly between multiple desktop environments and window manager without logging out - the list includes Enlightenment 17, GNOME 3 (GNOME Shell and GNOME 3 "Fallback" mode), KDE, LXDE, Openbox, Unity, Xfce and FVWM.
This is achieved via a highly customisable Hy-menu, which also allows launching applications and configuring the system. All open applications are carried to any of the available desktops. The system offers an interesting way to work fluidly in a multi-desktop environment."
http://www.hybryde.org/
That does look cool, but why on earth did they base it on Ubuntu, instead of Debian? Looks like they want to do things their own way, but they've huddled up under Ubuntu's umbrella, where it's the "Ubuntu way, or the highway!" As a straight Debian derivative, they would have far more room to maneuver, which ever direction they decided to maneuver in.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Canonical moving away from POSIX.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
Why anyone ever thought Canonical wouldn't end up being vile shit bags? I have never liked Ubuntu specifically because it has a corporation tied to it ... and being that the nature of corporations is to make money at all costs and above all else, their stupid anti-OSS decisions could and should have been foreseen at the start (yes, this is worth the karma hit from fanboys).
I just noticed this curious line in my /var/log/syslog file
Dec 10 01:33:59 superhost kernel: irq ubuntu: nobody cared (try booting with the "nocanonicall" option)
It seems that the kernel is finally becoming self-aware, and it isn't happy with ubunut either!
Canonical is forking something?? NIH syndrome! They should totally use something that already exists.
Canonical is using something that already exists? How dare they use something someone else made!
One year Ubuntu-free, after four years of use. Debian has yet to screw me over with opt-out advertisements and a UI that is a bad Mac rip-off.
In the words of the Twelfth Doctor, fuckity bye.
Ok guys, I'm here with the asbestos!
Unity might be the worst graphical interface I've ever used, it is a bad excuse at best for a high school level GUI project. Now Canonical want's to go further and decide to write a control centre? If history is any guide to how this will turn out, the control centre will be almost unusable, it will have a layout that will make you scratch your head and wonder who laid it out and overall it make more Ubuntu users jump over to gnome 3.
... that make we want to throw up my hands and just say frack it all to Linux, period. I've been working with Linux since 1998, and from the beginning, it's been whining, backbiting, complaining, dissing, bickering, moral posturing, and in general one big ball of negativity. The vast (vast) majority of it is ill-informed fanboi nonsense.
Use what you want, work on what you want to contribute to, but holy moly can we please stop tearing down everything and anything that doesn't meet our personal code of free-open-source-grooviness?
I sometimes think that demands for ideological purity is going to be the death of Free Software...
Their new system is Qt based. I would not want to drag gnome dependencies into my Qt system if I could avoid it, too. even more so on a closed down device with limited resources like a phone. So they need to write a system settings app. It is only natural to use that on the desktop, too, especially when you want to sell the idea of "convergence".
Regards, Tobias
"The nipple is the only intuitive interface."
If the nipple is an intuitive interface, then mothers wouldn't have to shove it in our mouths the first time around. It's as much an acquired taste as your favorite desktop OS. You get used to it and eventually even come to relish it. But a bottle-fed baby wouldn't know the difference from the real thing.
When you pay, you are paying for developers to STFU about their prima ballerina complex and get to work.
Imagine directing a film where every actor and stagehand is an over-educated volunteer trying to pad their resume.
People who get paid have grown up.
Disregard that, I intuit dicks.
Ok guys, I'm here with the asbestos!
As BestOS, what makes it better than your average OSx, how does it win?
I switched from Ubuntu to Puppy OS. It's about the easiest OS I've ever installed
The last time I tried Puppy several years ago, its JWM window manager grabbed Alt+drag for moving a window. That seriously interfered with my use of GIMP, which uses Alt within an image window for other purposes. True, it can be changed, but why do these window managers even default to interfering with applications, as opposed to defaulting to shortcuts that use the Super (aka Windows) key, which is reserved for use by supervisor processes (namely the desktop and window manager)?
Or Linux Mint Debian Edition, if you want modern ease of use and lack of selling out. There's bread, there's eggs, and there's breaded eggs.
Unlike Android and TiVo, Ubuntu uses a GNU and X11 userland, increasing compatibility with other systems in the *n?x family. This use of X11 allows for window management policies other than the typical "all maximized all the time" policy of Android devices and STBs. Unlike Android and TiVo, Ubuntu runs primarily on devices that either ship with unlocked bootloaders or whose owner can unlock the bootloader (e.g. turn off Secure Boot) without wiping the device's storage.
Dear Canonical. You appear to misunderstand completely what Linux is all about.
Mark Shuttleworth has not left his South African Apartheid roots behind. He assumes everyone else is a dumb nigger who doesn't know shit.
For all the reasons already given here, I decided to quit Ubuntu and move on to something else. First shot was gentoo, but they seem to be struggling with integrating recent versions of important packages (Gnome 3 was a problem for quite some time). Looked to me like they need more manpower.
So, not being afraid of a manual command line installation process, I tried Arch Linux.
On the plus side: a lean, fast, no-bullshit system. You can compile any package locally if you want to be more NSA-proof. They seem to believe in the opposite of NIH, whatever that thing is called: I saw no distro-specifics in any software so far. It feels like Linux from Scratch with some powerful tools to make your life easier.
On the not-so-plus side I ran into something they actually warn you about: Arch means bleeding edge software, probably with bugs. The first came up during installation, when grub-mkconfig threw a fit and wouldn't create an initial boot loader configuration. Installed syslinux instead and moved on. Then enligthenment desktop (e17) gave me the next little surprise. After switching to a dual-monitor-one-desktop setup with the e17 screen config tool, e17 menu items didn't do anything when clicked, but only on the right monitor (wtf!?).
Both problems seem to be bugs in the latest versions. grub could easily replaced, and I probably could build an older version of e17 myself with the Arch Build System. So I'm not complaining, because this is "The Arch Way". I'm just asking whether this frequency of problems i have to work around myself is typical? Two big ones in the first hours is pretty heavy for somebody spoiled by Ubuntu like me :). Anyone with real world Arch experience here?
Even after they "replace" X11, desktop Linux distributions will probably ship with an X server that runs on top of whatever they choose to replace it with in order to keep old applications running. Or have a lot of people started using an X server to run desktop apps on a Android device with HDMI output?
just tell me when to abandon shop
I'm just a user with a CPU and though other members of the household have a MSN based CPU, plus a laptop plus a tablet & an Ip (apple phone), I, a long time back started with ubuntu to get away from MSN (which I still do!) went to Linux, back to Ubuntu, mint, mate, etc., I'm happily settled with Point Linux (Debian) & Bodhi...I LIKE CANONINICAL....it works for me, yeah it could use a little improvement between 'search & ALL' & because I have a damn slow Net, which is inherent where I live it can be frustrating because of the damn slow net. I've used Cinnamon, XFCE, Gnome, Unity &KDE & U.E.
But its all a hell of a lot less expensive, works, and is FREE compared to MSN or APPLE.
So what's to complain about, get on & do something Useful instead of trying to show that y'all are underpaid geniuses.