I graduated high school in 1974. Yes, it was easy to find a job. People were searching for me. I chose my own line of work. I wanted to learn wood working, and that is what I did.
Well - I'm being a little less than honest. I wanted to travel more than I wanted to work with wood, but my Mama didn't want me to leave home. So, I worked in carpentry for a year. THEN, I joined the Navy.
When I got out of the Navy, I still wanted to travel, so I asked around about driving trucks. I chose between the companies offering me keys.
Only when the steel companies started closing their doors did jobs begin to grow scarce. It's been a downhill slide since then.
Apparently, you didn't read the PDF, or you failed to understand what you read.
Google Glass is just one of many surveillance methods. It's marketed to the masses as "something cool", and they buy it. By doing so they "consent" to being monitored by Google. Which may or may not be alright. There are, however, not one, but TWO other considerations.
1: The people with Google Glass are going to be survelling other people who have NOT consented in any way to being tracked.
2: Google and virtually all other corporations are either selling or giving information to the government.
We have seen legislators attempt to legalize the growing practice of corporations and government freely exchanging data. The goal is to have all corporations and the government accessing each others data bases, freely. There may be monetary exchanges involved or not, but the free access is what counts.
Gun rights is a hot button issue right now. How many of us thinks that government should be able to access the data bases of all gun and ammunition retailers in the nation, to compile an inventory for each and every citizen in the nation?
OK, depending on your personal views on gun rights, you may come up with a different answer than I have. Let's try another example - your reading habits.
Do you really want Uncle prying into your reading history? Let us suppose that your professional reading is all taken from sources A through F. And, let us suppose that your entertainment, hobby, and self improvement reading are taken from an entirely different set of sources - G through M.
Your reading habits in some vague way resembles the reading habits of some known criminals, and in some other vague way resembles those of known terrorists. Extremely vague resemblances that your professional reading doesn't reflect, nor does your other reading - but when taken together, they set off an alarm.
Suddenly, you're the subject of full time government surveillance, because the companies from which you purchase your reading material has submitted their data bases to the NSA or whoever correlates all that data.
No big deal, right? UNTIL you decide that you'll take the children to visit their grandparents on the other coast of the United States, or in Bangladesh, or wherever. You approach the gate to board your plane, with children in tow, and a TSA agent takes you to a back room for an interrogation, and you find that you're on a "No-Fly" list.
All in secret, all behind your back, you've been monitored and judged, and found unworthy of your civil liberties. No judge, no jury, no counsel available, no chance to deny any allegations - you've been judged, based on your reading habits.
It's all hypothetical, right? Purely conjecture, right? Can't happen in America, right?
Go study the laws being authored and submitted to the legislatures for consideration.
Well - Apple is worth billions. For that reason alone, there are tons of zealots, on each side. Yeah, the stories get a lot of hits, but that doesn't really indicate any relevance in any particular field of interest. Money always attracts attention.
Personally, I'm happy to see USPTO make another decision that makes sense. They seem to make so few of those. If iPad Mini were approved, we might see Baby Chevy and Cadillac Extra on the market next year, along with Hoover Sucker - the possibilities are endless. And, each new "trademark" would open worlds of possible litigation against use of common, everyday words.
My ignorance? Maybe you missed the "funds, of one kind or another". At what point in history, or prehistory, have women chosen guys who could not provide over guys who had food and shelter?
And, education? I provided an example of alternate education, did I not?
You get abusive, because you're incapable of understanding what I say? And, I'm the idiot?
Opposite. Ohhh-kay . . . I think that you are offering a more nuanced explanation of things, and probably more accurate for the nuances. But, the case I'm making is, Apple's finished product was demonstrably more secure in real world environments, for real world users, for a long time. Microsoft has made tremendous improvements since then, and may rival Apple today, depending on one's perspective.
I'll return to my original statements, regarding the costs of dealing with compromised systems.
I'm somewhat surprised though. My post has been up for awhile now, and not even Anonymous Coward has attempted to tell us of an un-hackable system, or made a fanboy post about how superior BSD, or Windows, or Apple, or even Linux is to all the others.;^)
Google might help to find how many billions of dollars have been spent by corporations and businesses to alleviate damage from Microsoft's security flaws.
A similar search might find similar figures for Apple's security flaws. Or not.
Microsoft started out without any security model at all. Further, Microsoft has often sacrificed security for convenience and/or backward compatibility. Apple started with a Unix-like security model. It is fair to say that Microsoft has been steadily improving their security for about 18 years now. Apple hasn't had a comparable rate of improvement, but they didn't start so far down the food chain, either. Today - Microsoft might be considered to be competitive with Apple.
Before you ASSume me to be an Apple Fanboi - I use Unix-like operating systems, but I don't own a single Apple product. In regards to security, I'll put my faith in ANY Unix-like before I trust Microsoft products.
Actually - there are few similarities between Apple and Microsoft. The two greatest similarities are market hype, and financial success. And, we might say that each has enjoyed something of a cult following, although the cults themselves are quite different.
I would elaborate further, but I'd be typing for half the day if I ever got started. Especially since I would probably start googling for citations on some of it.
But, you go ahead and believe that Apple and Microsoft are similar on security. Whatever . . .
How would I know about airport security? I read. I listen. There are stories of travelers being held and questioned because the TSA thought they were carrying to much money. They may only be abusive SOB's to one in a thousand passengers, but from what I read, it seems to be more like one in a couple hundred. Even if it were only one in ten thousand, why put yourself through it?
I disapprove of everything the TSA does. What they seem to do, more than anything, is to indoctrinate people into being docile toward people in uniform. I'm not a docile individual. Security theater is revolting, and I refuse to participate in any way.
You had a good experience. Either that, or you're more tolerant of invasive scanning, searching, and questioning.
I'm terribly intolerant of being questioned, felt up, irradiated, or justifying my presence and/or my travel plans. Meeting just one asshole who thinks it his right to grope me, or to push me around, or even to be overly disrespectful could cost much, much more than the trip is worth.
I've not flown since before 9/11/01, and probably won't again.
Ooooohhhh - round bottomed boat, right? I never wanted to be aboard one, storm or no storm. I seldom saw one in the area of a storm, but the ride looked like it would suck.
My preference during a storm is to be far out at sea, or ashore on leave, and far from the ship. I most certainly DO NOT want to be within 50 miles of the coast, hoping that the storm doesn't force us into some rocks, or some other hazard - like the beach.
I guess the closest I've ever been to an officially designated hurricane was - ohh - maybe 300 miles. I'm guessing, we could have been closer than that, plotting courses and keeping charts wasn't part of my job.
But, I rode a destroyer around and around in the North Atlantic and the North Sea during winter. For three weeks straight, we experienced sea states over 50. In such conditions, it's impossible to get any rest, even if you can find time to lie in your bunk. After just a couple days, you're a zombie!
" But they all follow the crowds into the smoke-filled restaurants where "the cool people" hang out."
LMAO - you're right. People are funny. They pretend to hate so many things about other people, but they follow those people around because they are cool.
I drove truck for several years. The CB radio frequently had dickheads on, badmouthing drivers for this reason or that. They HATED truck drivers! But - they invested in a CB radio so that they could talk to us. They frequented truck stops and trucker's restaurants to be around truckers. Warped, huh?
Then, we have motorcycles. Many, many people hate motorcycles. They say we're braindead for riding, we're irresponsible, we're loud and obnoxious, and more. But, they are always watching us. I think that they just wish they had the balls to be like us.
I guess I must be cool. I do my own thing, and give little consideration to what people think.
I could make a serious assertion that most BREEDING humans have had funds, of one kind or another. Especially breeding males. Have you ever heard of a dowry? A guy who can't pay the bride-price will have a tougher time finding a mate. And, "education" is relative. Other societies educate their youth according to their own needs. Go back 300 or more years, right here in America. A young man who failed to learn to hunt and fish wasn't likely to feed a family very well. The young women looking for a mate would have taken that into account, and probably turned him down.
Tits in space? Hmmm. Interesting concept. Should I assume that we'll find human women attached to those tits? I don't know that whole mountains of disembodied tits would benefit man or mankind very much.
Yeah. You make some sense. But, poetry is motivational too.
Go out, crank up your motorcycle, crank up some tunes, and hit the highway. Rumble out across the badlands, with "Highway to the Danger Zone" booming in your ears. Try it.
I'm no poet, but poetry is indeed motivational. If it isn't, then you probably have no soul.
I've looked at the decision to leave port. I can't really fault that. Navy captains routinely make that same decision. The Coast Guard, likewise.
The decision to turn south and west to follow the storm seems somewhat less responsible. But, again, Navy and Coast Guard captains do it, with reason.
The captain's failure in this instance centers around housekeeping and seaworthiness. If the ship not truly seaworthy, if housekeeping is a threat to that seaworthiness, then the captain must rectify the situation, or refrain from going to sea and/or chasing that storm. This captain chose to run his ship close to it's extreme performance parameters, despite the fact that the ship wasn't "ship shape".
I cannot be sure how seaworthy the Bounty was. I never saw it, except in photos or video. Photos and videos don't really tell much - a guy needs to get into the woodwork, study everything above and below the waterline to decide something like that.
But, I propose that the ship went down due to inept seamanship.
Debris clogged the bilge pumps? Really? I heard over the ship's loudspeakers, many times during five years of sea duty, "Secure for heavy seas. Secure all missile hazards." Seamen and Petty Officers would go to work, making certain that heavy objects were bolted down, lashed down, chocked, or whatever. Chiefs and officers would come around, inspecting, searching for even small objects that might be free to go flying, possibly putting an eye out. Yes, even pens and pencils were secured. Personal property was stowed in a locker, that locker bolted to the deck, where it had withstood many another day of heavy seas. The ONLY missile hazards permissible, were the bodies of your ship mates!
You got shit clogging the bilge pumps - you're gonna die, simple as that. The most seaworthy of ships is always taking on water, even on calm days, or in port. The crew gets an idea of how much, pretty quickly. Tied up to a pier, they may have to pump a hundred gallons of water out every month, on a smaller ship. On a huge naval ship, they'll get that much condensation!
FTFA: The engine room itself worried Bounty's newly hired engineer, Chris Barksdale. He thought it needed a good cleaning. Sawdust and wood chips littered the floor. Everything just looked old.
That sawdust and wood chips is more than enough to spell the Bounty's doom. It doesn't take much to choke the impellor of a bilge pump. A chip the size of a small person's thumb is sufficient. Strainers help, but strainers can be choked as well.
FTFA: Below deck, crew members suffered from seasickness. In the galley, the motion pulled tables from their hinges.
Definitely not good - the article repeatedly mentions rotting wood. Someone should have been aware that the tables weren't securely fastened down. What of all the rest of the ship's equipment?
FTFA: Wood chips and sawdust from the dirty floor were floating in the rising water and clogging the pumps. They had to be shut off constantly to clear the strainers. Scornavacchi and Adam Prokosh used trash bags – and their bare hands – to scoop debris. As the scramble to pump water off the ship grew more desperate, deckhand Mark Warner smashed the engine room door open so he could move a portable gasoline powered pump up to the deck. But the pump wouldn't work. According to testimony, no one had been trained to use it. Around 7 p.m., one of the ship's two generators failed.
At this point, the ship is dead. She can only take on more water, and sink lower into the water, becoming ever more unresponsive to the crew's input.
Inept seamanship killed the Bounty, plain and simple. The Captain and First Mate failed to do their jobs in preparing for sea, the crew failed, and the ship died. The ship was missing a slave driving Boatswain's Mate to drive the crew into performing the proper preparations.
Thank God that the Navy has those knuckle dragging Deck Apes to ensure that Navy ships don't founder in the same way!
Actually, standing in line, even camping out overnight, was retarded in the '70's. Maybe if you're starving, and you're waiting to get into a soup kitchen, then it might be justified.
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Insights are old hat. Now, it's inscents. Didn't you read TFA?
I graduated high school in 1974. Yes, it was easy to find a job. People were searching for me. I chose my own line of work. I wanted to learn wood working, and that is what I did.
Well - I'm being a little less than honest. I wanted to travel more than I wanted to work with wood, but my Mama didn't want me to leave home. So, I worked in carpentry for a year. THEN, I joined the Navy.
When I got out of the Navy, I still wanted to travel, so I asked around about driving trucks. I chose between the companies offering me keys.
Only when the steel companies started closing their doors did jobs begin to grow scarce. It's been a downhill slide since then.
Apparently, you didn't read the PDF, or you failed to understand what you read.
Google Glass is just one of many surveillance methods. It's marketed to the masses as "something cool", and they buy it. By doing so they "consent" to being monitored by Google. Which may or may not be alright. There are, however, not one, but TWO other considerations.
1: The people with Google Glass are going to be survelling other people who have NOT consented in any way to being tracked.
2: Google and virtually all other corporations are either selling or giving information to the government.
We have seen legislators attempt to legalize the growing practice of corporations and government freely exchanging data. The goal is to have all corporations and the government accessing each others data bases, freely. There may be monetary exchanges involved or not, but the free access is what counts.
Gun rights is a hot button issue right now. How many of us thinks that government should be able to access the data bases of all gun and ammunition retailers in the nation, to compile an inventory for each and every citizen in the nation?
OK, depending on your personal views on gun rights, you may come up with a different answer than I have. Let's try another example - your reading habits.
Do you really want Uncle prying into your reading history? Let us suppose that your professional reading is all taken from sources A through F. And, let us suppose that your entertainment, hobby, and self improvement reading are taken from an entirely different set of sources - G through M.
Your reading habits in some vague way resembles the reading habits of some known criminals, and in some other vague way resembles those of known terrorists. Extremely vague resemblances that your professional reading doesn't reflect, nor does your other reading - but when taken together, they set off an alarm.
Suddenly, you're the subject of full time government surveillance, because the companies from which you purchase your reading material has submitted their data bases to the NSA or whoever correlates all that data.
No big deal, right? UNTIL you decide that you'll take the children to visit their grandparents on the other coast of the United States, or in Bangladesh, or wherever. You approach the gate to board your plane, with children in tow, and a TSA agent takes you to a back room for an interrogation, and you find that you're on a "No-Fly" list.
All in secret, all behind your back, you've been monitored and judged, and found unworthy of your civil liberties. No judge, no jury, no counsel available, no chance to deny any allegations - you've been judged, based on your reading habits.
It's all hypothetical, right? Purely conjecture, right? Can't happen in America, right?
Go study the laws being authored and submitted to the legislatures for consideration.
Well - Apple is worth billions. For that reason alone, there are tons of zealots, on each side. Yeah, the stories get a lot of hits, but that doesn't really indicate any relevance in any particular field of interest. Money always attracts attention.
Personally, I'm happy to see USPTO make another decision that makes sense. They seem to make so few of those. If iPad Mini were approved, we might see Baby Chevy and Cadillac Extra on the market next year, along with Hoover Sucker - the possibilities are endless. And, each new "trademark" would open worlds of possible litigation against use of common, everyday words.
My ignorance? Maybe you missed the "funds, of one kind or another". At what point in history, or prehistory, have women chosen guys who could not provide over guys who had food and shelter?
And, education? I provided an example of alternate education, did I not?
You get abusive, because you're incapable of understanding what I say? And, I'm the idiot?
Have a nice day, anyway.
It's all a waste of time, anyway. The world has already been backed up, don't worry about your own little bits and pieces of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps
Opposite. Ohhh-kay . . . I think that you are offering a more nuanced explanation of things, and probably more accurate for the nuances. But, the case I'm making is, Apple's finished product was demonstrably more secure in real world environments, for real world users, for a long time. Microsoft has made tremendous improvements since then, and may rival Apple today, depending on one's perspective.
I'll return to my original statements, regarding the costs of dealing with compromised systems.
I'm somewhat surprised though. My post has been up for awhile now, and not even Anonymous Coward has attempted to tell us of an un-hackable system, or made a fanboy post about how superior BSD, or Windows, or Apple, or even Linux is to all the others. ;^)
*return salute*
I was in my senior year of high school when the last of you left Hanoi.
How would you measure?
Google might help to find how many billions of dollars have been spent by corporations and businesses to alleviate damage from Microsoft's security flaws.
A similar search might find similar figures for Apple's security flaws. Or not.
Microsoft started out without any security model at all. Further, Microsoft has often sacrificed security for convenience and/or backward compatibility. Apple started with a Unix-like security model. It is fair to say that Microsoft has been steadily improving their security for about 18 years now. Apple hasn't had a comparable rate of improvement, but they didn't start so far down the food chain, either. Today - Microsoft might be considered to be competitive with Apple.
Before you ASSume me to be an Apple Fanboi - I use Unix-like operating systems, but I don't own a single Apple product. In regards to security, I'll put my faith in ANY Unix-like before I trust Microsoft products.
Actually - there are few similarities between Apple and Microsoft. The two greatest similarities are market hype, and financial success. And, we might say that each has enjoyed something of a cult following, although the cults themselves are quite different.
I would elaborate further, but I'd be typing for half the day if I ever got started. Especially since I would probably start googling for citations on some of it.
But, you go ahead and believe that Apple and Microsoft are similar on security. Whatever . . .
How would I know about airport security? I read. I listen. There are stories of travelers being held and questioned because the TSA thought they were carrying to much money. They may only be abusive SOB's to one in a thousand passengers, but from what I read, it seems to be more like one in a couple hundred. Even if it were only one in ten thousand, why put yourself through it?
I disapprove of everything the TSA does. What they seem to do, more than anything, is to indoctrinate people into being docile toward people in uniform. I'm not a docile individual. Security theater is revolting, and I refuse to participate in any way.
You had a good experience. Either that, or you're more tolerant of invasive scanning, searching, and questioning.
I'm terribly intolerant of being questioned, felt up, irradiated, or justifying my presence and/or my travel plans. Meeting just one asshole who thinks it his right to grope me, or to push me around, or even to be overly disrespectful could cost much, much more than the trip is worth.
I've not flown since before 9/11/01, and probably won't again.
Oh, come on. I don't believe that they would feel your junk on every trip. Not more than 35% of TSA is gay, are they?
Ooooohhhh - round bottomed boat, right? I never wanted to be aboard one, storm or no storm. I seldom saw one in the area of a storm, but the ride looked like it would suck.
My preference during a storm is to be far out at sea, or ashore on leave, and far from the ship. I most certainly DO NOT want to be within 50 miles of the coast, hoping that the storm doesn't force us into some rocks, or some other hazard - like the beach.
I guess the closest I've ever been to an officially designated hurricane was - ohh - maybe 300 miles. I'm guessing, we could have been closer than that, plotting courses and keeping charts wasn't part of my job.
But, I rode a destroyer around and around in the North Atlantic and the North Sea during winter. For three weeks straight, we experienced sea states over 50. In such conditions, it's impossible to get any rest, even if you can find time to lie in your bunk. After just a couple days, you're a zombie!
http://www.syqwestinc.com/support/Sea%20State%20Table.htm
" But they all follow the crowds into the smoke-filled restaurants where "the cool people" hang out."
LMAO - you're right. People are funny. They pretend to hate so many things about other people, but they follow those people around because they are cool.
I drove truck for several years. The CB radio frequently had dickheads on, badmouthing drivers for this reason or that. They HATED truck drivers! But - they invested in a CB radio so that they could talk to us. They frequented truck stops and trucker's restaurants to be around truckers. Warped, huh?
Then, we have motorcycles. Many, many people hate motorcycles. They say we're braindead for riding, we're irresponsible, we're loud and obnoxious, and more. But, they are always watching us. I think that they just wish they had the balls to be like us.
I guess I must be cool. I do my own thing, and give little consideration to what people think.
Oh yeah - I'm a smoker too.
I could make a serious assertion that most BREEDING humans have had funds, of one kind or another. Especially breeding males. Have you ever heard of a dowry? A guy who can't pay the bride-price will have a tougher time finding a mate. And, "education" is relative. Other societies educate their youth according to their own needs. Go back 300 or more years, right here in America. A young man who failed to learn to hunt and fish wasn't likely to feed a family very well. The young women looking for a mate would have taken that into account, and probably turned him down.
Spot on. Few Americans seem to have any appreciation for Maritime Law, which is far older than the United States.
Tits in space? Hmmm. Interesting concept. Should I assume that we'll find human women attached to those tits? I don't know that whole mountains of disembodied tits would benefit man or mankind very much.
Yeah. You make some sense. But, poetry is motivational too.
Go out, crank up your motorcycle, crank up some tunes, and hit the highway. Rumble out across the badlands, with "Highway to the Danger Zone" booming in your ears. Try it.
I'm no poet, but poetry is indeed motivational. If it isn't, then you probably have no soul.
I've looked at the decision to leave port. I can't really fault that. Navy captains routinely make that same decision. The Coast Guard, likewise.
The decision to turn south and west to follow the storm seems somewhat less responsible. But, again, Navy and Coast Guard captains do it, with reason.
The captain's failure in this instance centers around housekeeping and seaworthiness. If the ship not truly seaworthy, if housekeeping is a threat to that seaworthiness, then the captain must rectify the situation, or refrain from going to sea and/or chasing that storm. This captain chose to run his ship close to it's extreme performance parameters, despite the fact that the ship wasn't "ship shape".
I cannot be sure how seaworthy the Bounty was. I never saw it, except in photos or video. Photos and videos don't really tell much - a guy needs to get into the woodwork, study everything above and below the waterline to decide something like that.
But, I propose that the ship went down due to inept seamanship.
Debris clogged the bilge pumps? Really? I heard over the ship's loudspeakers, many times during five years of sea duty, "Secure for heavy seas. Secure all missile hazards." Seamen and Petty Officers would go to work, making certain that heavy objects were bolted down, lashed down, chocked, or whatever. Chiefs and officers would come around, inspecting, searching for even small objects that might be free to go flying, possibly putting an eye out. Yes, even pens and pencils were secured. Personal property was stowed in a locker, that locker bolted to the deck, where it had withstood many another day of heavy seas. The ONLY missile hazards permissible, were the bodies of your ship mates!
You got shit clogging the bilge pumps - you're gonna die, simple as that. The most seaworthy of ships is always taking on water, even on calm days, or in port. The crew gets an idea of how much, pretty quickly. Tied up to a pier, they may have to pump a hundred gallons of water out every month, on a smaller ship. On a huge naval ship, they'll get that much condensation!
FTFA: The engine room itself worried Bounty's newly hired engineer, Chris Barksdale. He thought it needed a good cleaning. Sawdust and wood chips littered the floor. Everything just looked old.
That sawdust and wood chips is more than enough to spell the Bounty's doom. It doesn't take much to choke the impellor of a bilge pump. A chip the size of a small person's thumb is sufficient. Strainers help, but strainers can be choked as well.
FTFA: Below deck, crew members suffered from seasickness. In the galley, the motion pulled tables from their hinges.
Definitely not good - the article repeatedly mentions rotting wood. Someone should have been aware that the tables weren't securely fastened down. What of all the rest of the ship's equipment?
FTFA: Wood chips and sawdust from the dirty floor were floating in the rising water and clogging the pumps. They had to be shut off constantly to clear the strainers. Scornavacchi and Adam Prokosh used trash bags – and their bare hands – to scoop debris.
As the scramble to pump water off the ship grew more desperate, deckhand Mark Warner smashed the engine room door open so he could move a portable gasoline powered pump up to the deck.
But the pump wouldn't work. According to testimony, no one had been trained to use it.
Around 7 p.m., one of the ship's two generators failed.
At this point, the ship is dead. She can only take on more water, and sink lower into the water, becoming ever more unresponsive to the crew's input.
Inept seamanship killed the Bounty, plain and simple. The Captain and First Mate failed to do their jobs in preparing for sea, the crew failed, and the ship died. The ship was missing a slave driving Boatswain's Mate to drive the crew into performing the proper preparations.
Thank God that the Navy has those knuckle dragging Deck Apes to ensure that Navy ships don't founder in the same way!
LMAO - flamebait. You win some, you lose some. If I had mod points, I'd probably slap you with a "funny". ;^)
Actually, standing in line, even camping out overnight, was retarded in the '70's. Maybe if you're starving, and you're waiting to get into a soup kitchen, then it might be justified.
There are government agencies that are not "law enforcement" agencies, such as the NSA.