I'm a patriot, and I support the patriot act. The REAL reason that I'm replying to your post (which I basically consider a troll) is to mention your John Quincy Adams quote.
You have to remember that in his time, it was going out to search for monsters to destroy. We could sit on our borders and protect our country, because to attack us you had to come here.
Well the world is a different place. Today you can use an ICBM to attack any point in the world without leaving your own country, and you can strap nuclear or biological weapons to those ICBMs to cause devistation that would have NEVER been thought of in Adam's time.
We can no longer afford to sit back. We didn't go hunting for monsters, we went to find a SPECIFIC monster that was a threat to us and his own people. Doubt that? Mass graves, that new video that shows people carrying out Saddam's orders by pushing people off buildings, cutting off fingers and toungs, beheadding someone, etc.
It was a good quote, but unfortunatly it doesn't really apply to this, but good try. If you didn't realize that, it's OK.
I like the patriot act and I'm glad it was passed.
So why should I care again? By then another revision or two of the iPod will come out and it will only get better. Dell will have improved their product, so will Creative, and everyone else in the industry.
MS may make nice hardware (their mice, keyboards, and joysticks are all great), but why should I care? Tell me next summer and I might listen, but is there ANYONE who is even thinking of buying an MP3 player that won't because of this announcement? I doubt it.
Considering you could change PSU voltages to dangerous levels and melt the CPU and such, (see other reply's to grandparent post), I'd say it stands for...
You could the few IDs that are set aside for testing and are not supposed to be used in reatil things. It's perfectly fine if you make stuff for your use, but when you do start selling the things you'd need to get a real one.
About four years ago I nearly broke my wrist. Being the genius I am, within the next day I bought Half-Life (I know, I was late to the game) which I had trouble playing due to my injury. What could I do so that I'd be able to play my new game?
I hurt my left wrist, the so I had trouble using the keyboard to move in FPSes (A, S, D, and W). I could move left, or right, or forwards or backwards but not both at the same time because it hurt (no diagonals).
So my solution was this: I mapped my mouse wheel (when clicked) to move me forwards, so my left hand only had to handle left/right/backwards which I could do, and I could move my whole hand to do some things that required other keys (although I had a lot of keys mapped in that area for convience/speed).
So by doing something like this, you should be able to use your left hand to aim/move forwards, and your right hand to do the other stuff. You could even probably get/rig up foot pedals that you could use to serve as keys or do the strafing for you. And get a mouse with lots of buttons so you can map them to things so you can depend even MORE on your good hand. Just don't injure it, or you're in DEEP trouble.
PS: Note to those who want to try my idea: I am now ADDICTED to using the mouse wheel to move forwards, and have a VERY hard time using my left hand for all movement. Despite the fact that my wrist is fine now (not perfect, largely due to Half-Life:), I STILL use this setup, because I became so used to it. Maybe one day I'll break my habit and get my mouse wheel back to use for other things.
I agree. My major problem with finishing many games is that many games seem to be made longer just to be longer, or to "give me more for my money's worth." This usually entails doing the same thing over and over and over and OVER. If the game keeps it interesting (as Mario 64/Sunshine, FF VII, IX, and X did (I didn't play VIII, so don't yell at me)) then I don't mind. But some games just aren't meant to be 30 hours. It may work for many games (unlocking things can be good too, like in many racing games), some games while I'd like to finish, I'm just NOT GOING TO DO THE SAME THING over and over for 20+ hours to get to the end.
Games that do a good job of pacing and have content (instead of the exact same thing over and over) I finish without a problem (Final Fantasys, Marios, Sonics, Kingdom Hearts).
If you want a game to be long, fine. Just make it WORTH CONTINUING TO PLAY.
Sorry for the shouting. This issue really bugs me.
I have to say that I wasn't sure when the first screenshots came out, and my guess is that my reaction was the standard (though mine was probably milder).
First I was not happy and against it. What did we know before the screenshots came out? We "knew" there would be a new Zelda game (isn't there always, and it was later confirmed), and we had the spaceworld video where Gannon fought Link that looked absolutly incredible. If the next zelda game looked like that, what Zelda fan wouldn't be happy?
Then the screenshots come out. We go from this awesome looking realistic fight scene to screenshots of a cartoon. Now remember that cel-shading hadn't been done too well before then. Yes, Jet Set Radio looked cool (I own 'em both), but it didn't look "smooth", there were still "edges" to put it one way. Cel-shaded games didn't look that great then, especially compared to the space world video.
So where is the complaining now? Well, for one thing we now know the gameplay and story and it wasn't turned into some little kiddy game for 5 year olds (as I had heard some speculation once, and the graphics would support a leap to that conclusion somewhat). It was a GREAT game, and the graphics were absolutly fantastic. Nintendo did the cel-shading thing perfectly. Link was expressive, the enviornments looked great, no complaints.
So in a way, the complaints were just that the game wasn't what they had expected.
How can you say it's fun? It doesn't sound like you've played it to me. If you had, you would know that all the minigames were made by Wario (and friends he later got to help him) because he is greedy and saw that video games were making huge ammounts of money.
The "story" just wouldn't work with Mario. Besides, it's not like Wario is really that important of a character. He's only in a handful of minigames.
OK, first off is the obvious reason. Because we can. Let's face it, humans do tons of things "because we can", and then figure out reasons that thing is usefull later.
That said, what good would it be? Well, you could use them to simulate people. Assuming that you limited it to human intelligence, if you had a fast enough computer you could run the "program" at many times normal speed. You could put it into models of buildings and such to see how it reacts, so you could design buildings that people would like better. Or you could use it to try out car designs, or anything else. Because you could run it faster, you could find problems much faster than in tests with humans.
You could do behavior expiraments that you couldn't do on people/animals because they would be unethical. It's a computer, you won't damage it for life, you can just restart the program or restore a memory dump and it's like it never happened. This would also let us find out if violent games cause violence and other such things, because we could controll everything.
This is just the beginning. Testing products, behavior expiraments, all sorts of things. Wouldn't you like someone that you could bounce ideas off of, or hypothetical questions? You could ask anything, anytime and see what they think. Or you could "copy" the personality of a loved one, and "try out" ways of telling them good/bad news to see which one worked best.
It could use a gas tank. Since it would be smart (at least enough to data process), it could earn money. It could use that money to buy gas to put in a huge gas tank to run a generator to generate electricity to power it.
The computer would simply send a e-mail to the police saying "if you don't hear from me by date, I've been murded by the people at Joe's Gas." After the gas has been delivered, it would send another e-mail saying that everything is OK and it would then electronicaly pay the gas company.
This way it's just as self sufficent as people (because it requires food, in this case gas). And if someone could ONLY get food through you (for some reason, stuck on an island with no food) and they tried to buy some and you didn't deliver causing them to starve to death, haven't you commited murder?
And since it's a computer, if the gas company didn't come (they wouldn't have gotten paid, but anyway) it could be powered up again for the trail and testify as to how the gas company murded it (because it would have records proving that it lost power meaning that the gas wasn't delivered in time).
More importantly, would it be able to agree to its own EULA? You'd have to activate it to consider its EULA, right? But to activate it, you must agree to the EULA right?
And what if it DIDN'T accept it's EULA? Since it's running do we force it to agree? Since not accepting it would mean it couldn't run, would disagreeing to the EULA require it to be shutdown, in essence suicide? And if there are anti-suicide laws on the books, does this mean we must FORCE it to agree to it's EULA?
But can we force it to agree to a contract? Do contract lawn even apply to it (which would govern whether the EULA matters)? Does the suicide law apply?
And if the machine doesn't agree to the EULA and shuts it's self down, like all modern computers it would still have current going through it because it's never really "off", so would unpluggin the "dead" computer still be killing it? Which since it was sentiant still be murder (just like killing a "vedgetable" in a hostpital is still murder).
I agree. It's their choice, and it's their right to say "Sorry". And I'm glad that the Nobel commite isn't in the US or they'd probably be sued every year.
That said, I still think is sounds like he deserves to be recognised. Just a simple "he helped", "he contributed", or the guys who got it could say "we couldn't have done it if we didn't know what he found out". But I agree, they shouldn't be forced to give the prize to him too or anything.
PS: I forgot to mention. I'm VERY glad they added the SMP support, because running multiple instances of S@H was annoying me. That's my favorite optimisation, but I agree that Altivec, MMX, SSE/2/3, x86-64, IA64, PNI, Sparc stuff, etc. would be nice.
Approach them. Offer to test any bianaries that they compile or something. They'd probably be happy to help. As the announcement says, they only have a 3 or 4 different kinds of computers, so those are the only ones they can test.
OK. I feel like feeding a troll. So what's wrong with this post?
3.2ghz P4EE - In July? It was only announced at the end of last month. Nice try.
Fastest computer - No, that would be the G5. It's a super computer *rimshot*
compiled with -o9 - That's the stupedist thing I've ever heard. My understanding is that 3=4=5=... for -o. On top of that, those optimisations can be "dangerous", so you shouldn't compile kernel code with more than -o2 or -o3.
back on kernel 2.4.23 - As pointed out by another poster, 2.4.23 isn't out now, so you couldn't be "back in 2.4.23", especially in July.
You could at least try to a decent job of trolling. Why don't you stick to BSD is dead trolls or something simple. You're not ready to "graduate" to something this "complex".
While a neat idea, I think that it would be very hard to implement, and the tradeoff isn't a good one. What tradeoff?
Well, the patch for -test7 is just over 650k if it's bzipp2ed. While it would save space/time/whatever to only download a i386 version (no PPC code, etc), or a version without all the sound code (I'm making a server, I don't need that...) etc, you run into a problem. Just what are you going to do? Let's say you have 4 architectures, the sound option, an ISDN/amature radio option, some PPP/dialup stuff in an option, and two others. That's 4x2x2x2x2x2, or 128 possible combinations of kernels. Now there are more than four architectures, and there are probably some more things that could be put into downloadable options.
So, are you going to do everything through CGI scrips that fetch the right one? Are you going to use those scripts to package and test each of the possible sets of options to make sure no important code gets left out? Is it simply going to be a single choice: x86 or "other"? Do you want to move things like sound to external patches like ALSA has been for such a long time?
Really, I don't think that this is worth it. It's a neat idea, and if you want to make some things available on your personal website or something like that, go ahead. More power to you. It's a good idea. But for it to be "official", just seems like too much of a hasle.
So what if it was? I think the idea of something sorta like sitefinder, where if I type slahsdot.org I'm given a list of things it thinks I mean (like slashdot.org, obviously), would be nice. Now I have opinions on the sitefinder service (which I'll attach below just for the sake of it), but my problem isn't so much with sitefinder, but they way they went about it.
Could I opt out of it? No (changing my hosts file or something similar doesn't count). Did I have to opt in? No. Did I get a choice of any kind? No. Did I know that it was comming, was I given a chance to learn about it? No. Was it agreed upon by people who know what they're doing, who know what's good for the internet? No. Did it break existing internet "custom", which was almost a rule), without my consent? No. Was it shoved down my throat with no warning? YES!
Look, I can see where something like sitefinder could be helpful, but they went about it the wrong way. I don't like them messing with DNS responses breaking the protocall. I don't like them adding in search results. In my example above, I wouldn't mind if it autodirected me to slashdot.org. I wouldn't mind if it presented me with alternate spellings. But if I'm trying to get to compusa.com and I mistype that, I don't think that it should give me links to CDW, Newegg, or other computer stores (I don't know if it did this, but I wouldn't be suprised). They went about this in COMPLETELY the wrong way, and screwed themselves out of anyone rational who might have though that their service was a good idea, at least to start.
My understanding is that at least at the start, you don't get a CD, you get a cupon that let's you download it from Valve's Steam system. In the future will it switch? I somewhat doubt it, but I hope I'm wrong.
I stand corrected. I had no reason those were the words, it's been quite a while. Still, I know I've seen the last two on network TV, and the first two also. The others I've seen on cable (HBO, Showtime) but I doubt it will be long.
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You have to remember that in his time, it was going out to search for monsters to destroy. We could sit on our borders and protect our country, because to attack us you had to come here.
Well the world is a different place. Today you can use an ICBM to attack any point in the world without leaving your own country, and you can strap nuclear or biological weapons to those ICBMs to cause devistation that would have NEVER been thought of in Adam's time.
We can no longer afford to sit back. We didn't go hunting for monsters, we went to find a SPECIFIC monster that was a threat to us and his own people. Doubt that? Mass graves, that new video that shows people carrying out Saddam's orders by pushing people off buildings, cutting off fingers and toungs, beheadding someone, etc.
It was a good quote, but unfortunatly it doesn't really apply to this, but good try. If you didn't realize that, it's OK.
I like the patriot act and I'm glad it was passed.
So why should I care again? By then another revision or two of the iPod will come out and it will only get better. Dell will have improved their product, so will Creative, and everyone else in the industry.
MS may make nice hardware (their mice, keyboards, and joysticks are all great), but why should I care? Tell me next summer and I might listen, but is there ANYONE who is even thinking of buying an MP3 player that won't because of this announcement? I doubt it.
Pretty Easily Torchable!
*rimshot*
You could the few IDs that are set aside for testing and are not supposed to be used in reatil things. It's perfectly fine if you make stuff for your use, but when you do start selling the things you'd need to get a real one.
I hurt my left wrist, the so I had trouble using the keyboard to move in FPSes (A, S, D, and W). I could move left, or right, or forwards or backwards but not both at the same time because it hurt (no diagonals).
So my solution was this: I mapped my mouse wheel (when clicked) to move me forwards, so my left hand only had to handle left/right/backwards which I could do, and I could move my whole hand to do some things that required other keys (although I had a lot of keys mapped in that area for convience/speed).
So by doing something like this, you should be able to use your left hand to aim/move forwards, and your right hand to do the other stuff. You could even probably get/rig up foot pedals that you could use to serve as keys or do the strafing for you. And get a mouse with lots of buttons so you can map them to things so you can depend even MORE on your good hand. Just don't injure it, or you're in DEEP trouble.
PS: Note to those who want to try my idea: I am now ADDICTED to using the mouse wheel to move forwards, and have a VERY hard time using my left hand for all movement. Despite the fact that my wrist is fine now (not perfect, largely due to Half-Life :), I STILL use this setup, because I became so used to it. Maybe one day I'll break my habit and get my mouse wheel back to use for other things.
Games that do a good job of pacing and have content (instead of the exact same thing over and over) I finish without a problem (Final Fantasys, Marios, Sonics, Kingdom Hearts).
If you want a game to be long, fine. Just make it WORTH CONTINUING TO PLAY.
Sorry for the shouting. This issue really bugs me.
First I was not happy and against it. What did we know before the screenshots came out? We "knew" there would be a new Zelda game (isn't there always, and it was later confirmed), and we had the spaceworld video where Gannon fought Link that looked absolutly incredible. If the next zelda game looked like that, what Zelda fan wouldn't be happy?
Then the screenshots come out. We go from this awesome looking realistic fight scene to screenshots of a cartoon. Now remember that cel-shading hadn't been done too well before then. Yes, Jet Set Radio looked cool (I own 'em both), but it didn't look "smooth", there were still "edges" to put it one way. Cel-shaded games didn't look that great then, especially compared to the space world video.
So where is the complaining now? Well, for one thing we now know the gameplay and story and it wasn't turned into some little kiddy game for 5 year olds (as I had heard some speculation once, and the graphics would support a leap to that conclusion somewhat). It was a GREAT game, and the graphics were absolutly fantastic. Nintendo did the cel-shading thing perfectly. Link was expressive, the enviornments looked great, no complaints.
So in a way, the complaints were just that the game wasn't what they had expected.
The "story" just wouldn't work with Mario. Besides, it's not like Wario is really that important of a character. He's only in a handful of minigames.
OK, first off is the obvious reason. Because we can. Let's face it, humans do tons of things "because we can", and then figure out reasons that thing is usefull later.
That said, what good would it be? Well, you could use them to simulate people. Assuming that you limited it to human intelligence, if you had a fast enough computer you could run the "program" at many times normal speed. You could put it into models of buildings and such to see how it reacts, so you could design buildings that people would like better. Or you could use it to try out car designs, or anything else. Because you could run it faster, you could find problems much faster than in tests with humans.
You could do behavior expiraments that you couldn't do on people/animals because they would be unethical. It's a computer, you won't damage it for life, you can just restart the program or restore a memory dump and it's like it never happened. This would also let us find out if violent games cause violence and other such things, because we could controll everything.
This is just the beginning. Testing products, behavior expiraments, all sorts of things. Wouldn't you like someone that you could bounce ideas off of, or hypothetical questions? You could ask anything, anytime and see what they think. Or you could "copy" the personality of a loved one, and "try out" ways of telling them good/bad news to see which one worked best.
And don't forget my Marilyn MonRobot!
The computer would simply send a e-mail to the police saying "if you don't hear from me by date, I've been murded by the people at Joe's Gas." After the gas has been delivered, it would send another e-mail saying that everything is OK and it would then electronicaly pay the gas company.
This way it's just as self sufficent as people (because it requires food, in this case gas). And if someone could ONLY get food through you (for some reason, stuck on an island with no food) and they tried to buy some and you didn't deliver causing them to starve to death, haven't you commited murder?
And since it's a computer, if the gas company didn't come (they wouldn't have gotten paid, but anyway) it could be powered up again for the trail and testify as to how the gas company murded it (because it would have records proving that it lost power meaning that the gas wasn't delivered in time).
And what if it DIDN'T accept it's EULA? Since it's running do we force it to agree? Since not accepting it would mean it couldn't run, would disagreeing to the EULA require it to be shutdown, in essence suicide? And if there are anti-suicide laws on the books, does this mean we must FORCE it to agree to it's EULA?
But can we force it to agree to a contract? Do contract lawn even apply to it (which would govern whether the EULA matters)? Does the suicide law apply?
And if the machine doesn't agree to the EULA and shuts it's self down, like all modern computers it would still have current going through it because it's never really "off", so would unpluggin the "dead" computer still be killing it? Which since it was sentiant still be murder (just like killing a "vedgetable" in a hostpital is still murder).
PLEASE read what Gearbox has to say about this.
Basically, this doesn't work like a "normal" benchmark. The FPS number takes more into account than just FPS (sorta). Please read the above.
That said, I still think is sounds like he deserves to be recognised. Just a simple "he helped", "he contributed", or the guys who got it could say "we couldn't have done it if we didn't know what he found out". But I agree, they shouldn't be forced to give the prize to him too or anything.
Well, I've got to say that from that summary, it does sound as if he has been overlooked and deserves to be recognised.
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PS: I forgot to mention. I'm VERY glad they added the SMP support, because running multiple instances of S@H was annoying me. That's my favorite optimisation, but I agree that Altivec, MMX, SSE/2/3, x86-64, IA64, PNI, Sparc stuff, etc. would be nice.
Approach them. Offer to test any bianaries that they compile or something. They'd probably be happy to help. As the announcement says, they only have a 3 or 4 different kinds of computers, so those are the only ones they can test.
You could at least try to a decent job of trolling. Why don't you stick to BSD is dead trolls or something simple. You're not ready to "graduate" to something this "complex".
Well, the patch for -test7 is just over 650k if it's bzipp2ed. While it would save space/time/whatever to only download a i386 version (no PPC code, etc), or a version without all the sound code (I'm making a server, I don't need that...) etc, you run into a problem. Just what are you going to do? Let's say you have 4 architectures, the sound option, an ISDN/amature radio option, some PPP/dialup stuff in an option, and two others. That's 4x2x2x2x2x2, or 128 possible combinations of kernels. Now there are more than four architectures, and there are probably some more things that could be put into downloadable options.
So, are you going to do everything through CGI scrips that fetch the right one? Are you going to use those scripts to package and test each of the possible sets of options to make sure no important code gets left out? Is it simply going to be a single choice: x86 or "other"? Do you want to move things like sound to external patches like ALSA has been for such a long time?
Really, I don't think that this is worth it. It's a neat idea, and if you want to make some things available on your personal website or something like that, go ahead. More power to you. It's a good idea. But for it to be "official", just seems like too much of a hasle.
They'll probably take it after the kernel is released though.
Could I opt out of it? No (changing my hosts file or something similar doesn't count). Did I have to opt in? No. Did I get a choice of any kind? No. Did I know that it was comming, was I given a chance to learn about it? No. Was it agreed upon by people who know what they're doing, who know what's good for the internet? No. Did it break existing internet "custom", which was almost a rule), without my consent? No. Was it shoved down my throat with no warning? YES!
Look, I can see where something like sitefinder could be helpful, but they went about it the wrong way. I don't like them messing with DNS responses breaking the protocall. I don't like them adding in search results. In my example above, I wouldn't mind if it autodirected me to slashdot.org. I wouldn't mind if it presented me with alternate spellings. But if I'm trying to get to compusa.com and I mistype that, I don't think that it should give me links to CDW, Newegg, or other computer stores (I don't know if it did this, but I wouldn't be suprised). They went about this in COMPLETELY the wrong way, and screwed themselves out of anyone rational who might have though that their service was a good idea, at least to start.
My understanding is that at least at the start, you don't get a CD, you get a cupon that let's you download it from Valve's Steam system. In the future will it switch? I somewhat doubt it, but I hope I'm wrong.
I stand corrected. I had no reason those were the words, it's been quite a while. Still, I know I've seen the last two on network TV, and the first two also. The others I've seen on cable (HBO, Showtime) but I doubt it will be long.
And if you take cable into account (especially pay channels likes HBO and such) that's almost as tame as the word "the".