A similar situation occurs when PHBs think their site doesn't ``look'' quite as good as others. (Insert my usual rant about content vs. presentation here.) Whether via a hideous HTML-abusing web authoring program, or via all sorts of hacks that God never intended to appear in anything resembling SGML, the HTML landscape is changed there as well, and SearchEngineInc's product becomes less effective.
Oh, I wouldn't blame that solely on PHB types... Every time on slashdot that someone points out that HTML was meant for a logical or content-based tagging system, 3 people pipe up and say "But you can't get a good looking site that way!"
It's the other way around. If nobody had ever abused HTML, and Netscape and Microsoft extenstions of HTML, no PHB would ever have known that a web page could be a graphical monster.
What's funny about the school shooting mayhem, is the holes in the probing for causes.
People blame the guns, which we've had for decades, but not the decline in parenting in recent decades.
People blame the games, which we've had since kids played Cowboys and Indians (with toy guns, mind you), but not the increase in "anti-depressants", "anti-hyperactivity", "therapy", and all the popular new mental health fads.
While I do believe that human biochemistry can be understood, and imbalances can be fixed (witness the success in diabetes treatment many people receive), I think that blood sugar/insulin interactions, and such, are a whole lot simpler than brain activity.
No, I'm not blaming the drugs for the carnage. That people who kill are more likely to be drugged , doesn't prove that A caused B, or that B caused A. I'm just saying it should be considered.
Once we have a working, clear model of how the brain works (yeah, right).. then I'll begin to trust all the new psychoactive drugs more.
Boycotting chains is fine for those who have an option, but my town has only 3 bookstores:
a very small B. Daltons a tiny Waldenbooks a little used book store.
Now, I patronize that one when I can; but for many purposes, I have no choice but to order electronically. Until the purchasing circles, or whatever they're called, I preferred amazon.com over Barnes and Noble, but now I don't know whom to use.
What do you recommend for people like me? I'm curoius...
I think he assumes that anyone who would look up his books, would already know not to be shopping there in the first place.
It seems to me that the goal of that, would be to spread the word of a boycott beyond just the slashdot/linux/GNU/free software/anti-patents-type crowd
You bet AOL released some specs, but it's not so clear-cut.
AOL had two classes of clients. One class was the Windows and MacOS clients, which connected using some protocol called OSCAR. OSCAR was never published. Microsoft reverse engineered OSCAR, and that's the step that created the controversy.
However, AOL recognized that success for any messaging service requires signing on as many people as possible. So, they created a second class of clients, using a protocol called TOC, which they fully documented. TIC, the Java client, used TOC. But, that's not the interesting part.
This protocol was also used by a Tcl/Tk client, called TiK. TiK is GPL. An emacs client, called TNT, was also available.
Both were linked from www.aim.aol.com, but the pages themselves were removed once the Microsoft war started. And, recently, the links themselves have been removed.
As the author of a (almost ready for release) AIM client that uses TOC, I've been trying to keep up with all of this news, mostly because I don't want all my code to become worthless.
Use the appropriate freshmeat.net search, or google.com search, and you should find links or tarballs of TiK, TNT, or whatnot.
You assume much about Sun that isn't necessarily true..
You assume that Sun will make decisions for the best of the language, and for the best of those who use it.
However, Sun will make decisions based upon making Sun more popular with pointy-haired types, and investors, and making Sun's stock price go up.
The best thing for the Java language, to make it popular, would be to release a bunch of code with a real open source licence, not the SCSL. However, Sun has to keep control, in order to reserve the option of milking more money out of it.
That's why a standards body would be better. Sun wouldn't have that last-resort lever to pull; preserving their copyrights, trademarks, and other "intellectual property".
gcc decisions, and linux kernel decisions, are made with the only motive being a better compiler, or kernel.
java decisions, as made by Sun, will be made firstly to make Sun's stock more valuable, secondly to make Sun more profit, and thirdly to make it a better language/cross-platform environment.
Sun's "pragmatism" results in more money for them, at the expense of java developers. Linux's pragmatism results in a better kernel.
Would someone who's not had sight for his whole life, upon gaining sight, have any sexual response to sights?
How much of what we consider a "good looking member of the opposite sex" is actually based on sight, in other words?
I have no answer to suggest to this; I'm just throwing out a question that came up in my mind, after seeing this story mentioned on TV, and on another news site already tonight.
Trust isn't something that should be granted by default, only to be taken when something goes wrong.
Unless id Software, Real Networks, Novell, Netscape/AOL, or anyone else proves to me that they NEED a certain bit of information, in order to serve ME better, I'm not giving them the first initial of my first name.
They already get enough for system administration purposes: HTTP referrer, IP address, even browser type (although Konqueror allows you to change that).
Most of Cygnus's business was in embedded operating systems, and compilers.
Red Hat's business was in packaging, and support, of 3rd party software.
Most of Corel's business is in proprietary software sales.
However, given proper management, this kind of acquisition mania is good for the RHAT shareholders, as it protects them from a slowdown in any one field, because the other fields will help keep Red Hat in the black (or from further losses).
Whether this is good for consumers, or a good strategy given Red Hat's management, I personally can't say.
You'll never have to wait for images to load, scripts to be parsed, and java applets to start, if you turn off Java, Javascript, and automatic image loading.;-)
Why do you think the rest of the world makes a big deal about what the US does? It's because everyone has high hopes, and high expectations.
<ANALOGY type="NBA Baskteball"> When the US fails to pay heed to the UN, it's in a sense like Shaquille O'Neal's failure to make 75% of his free throws. </ANALOGY>
It doesn't matter how much you do, because when you're the best out there, all the people watching you will find something to fault you with.
The US's critics will always find it easy to neglect how much money the US does give to people and organisations worldwide (remember to look beyond government as well), how many US troops are stationed worldwide, and how many foreign students the US educates each year. All they'll do is whine about how "stupid" or "ignorant" or "arrogant" the Americans are.
Oh, and regarding open source supremacy.. keep in mind that
1) Red Hat is a US corporation 2) Linus Torvalds has made his home in the US 3) Richard Stallman has made his home in the US for some time.
But the Irulan narration, I thought, was an attempt to bring across the feel of the quotes at the beginning of each chapter. (as many of them were from histories Irulan wrote after the fact)
I stopped watching the movie, though, once Paul started training the Fremen to use those "weirding modules".
Well, I guess it might be possible to port KOffice to Gtk+, but...
1) The KDE class hierarchy derives off of the Qt hierarchy, and KOffice naturally uses the KDE libraries. So, porting KOffice means porting all of the KDE libraries first.
2) There's already much to do for finishing KOffice and KDE2, so I think it's not very likely that the KOffice or KDE developers are going to take the time to port to Gtk+.
However, there is a bright side. If you'd really be interested in it, I should think it would be possible to port it yourself, or put together a group of porters yourself, because all of the KDE code is GPL.
Oh, random thought before I go... I suppose it might be possible just to make a modified version of the widget classes, to make kdeui, khtml, and the rest of the libraries use the Gtk+ widgets, while still keeping the Qt programming interface.
If you mean copying from app to app, within one X session, that's already possible. (Most apps will copy to the clipboard by simply selecting text, and paste from the clipboard with the middle mouse button.)
Qt (and thus KDE) has a class which allows for the sending of text to the X clipboard.
My guess is that Motif, Gtk+, and all the other widget sets and toolkits give the developer convenient access to the X clipboard, as well. And, if not, one can always use the X library functions themselves!
If, however, you are referring to copying and pasting from one VC to another, that would probably require kernel-level support. This would be non-portable and, therefore, not popular for developers of portable systems like GNOME. (unless I'm off, and Solaris, *BSD, and the rest already have such a feature.)
Slashdot Mirror
Everyone knows humans would be better off if we obeyed the 3 laws of robotics.. or, at least, the first one
A similar situation occurs when PHBs think their site doesn't ``look'' quite as good as others. (Insert my usual rant about content vs. presentation here.) Whether via a hideous HTML-abusing web authoring program, or via all sorts of hacks that God never intended to appear in anything resembling SGML, the HTML landscape is changed there as well, and SearchEngineInc's product becomes less effective.
Oh, I wouldn't blame that solely on PHB types... Every time on slashdot that someone points out that HTML was meant for a logical or content-based tagging system, 3 people pipe up and say "But you can't get a good looking site that way!"
It's the other way around. If nobody had ever abused HTML, and Netscape and Microsoft extenstions of HTML, no PHB would ever have known that a web page could be a graphical monster.
What's funny about the school shooting mayhem, is the holes in the probing for causes.
People blame the guns, which we've had for decades, but not the decline in parenting in recent decades.
People blame the games, which we've had since kids played Cowboys and Indians (with toy guns, mind you), but not the increase in "anti-depressants", "anti-hyperactivity", "therapy", and all the popular new mental health fads.
While I do believe that human biochemistry can be understood, and imbalances can be fixed (witness the success in diabetes treatment many people receive), I think that blood sugar/insulin interactions, and such, are a whole lot simpler than brain activity.
No, I'm not blaming the drugs for the carnage. That people who kill are more likely to be drugged , doesn't prove that A caused B, or that B caused A. I'm just saying it should be considered.
Once we have a working, clear model of how the brain works (yeah, right).. then I'll begin to trust all the new psychoactive drugs more.
Boycotting chains is fine for those who have an option, but my town has only 3 bookstores:
a very small B. Daltons
a tiny Waldenbooks
a little used book store.
Now, I patronize that one when I can; but for many purposes, I have no choice but to order electronically. Until the purchasing circles, or whatever they're called, I preferred amazon.com over Barnes and Noble, but now I don't know whom to use.
What do you recommend for people like me? I'm curoius...
I think he assumes that anyone who would look up his books, would already know not to be shopping there in the first place.
It seems to me that the goal of that, would be to spread the word of a boycott beyond just the slashdot/linux/GNU/free software/anti-patents-type crowd
I thought the joke was good for a laugh...
Light-heartedness makes the world more fun,and safer.
You bet AOL released some specs, but it's not so clear-cut.
AOL had two classes of clients. One class was the Windows and MacOS clients, which connected using some protocol called OSCAR. OSCAR was never published. Microsoft reverse engineered OSCAR, and that's the step that created the controversy.
However, AOL recognized that success for any messaging service requires signing on as many people as possible. So, they created a second class of clients, using a protocol called TOC, which they fully documented. TIC, the Java client, used TOC. But, that's not the interesting part.
This protocol was also used by a Tcl/Tk client, called TiK. TiK is GPL. An emacs client, called TNT, was also available.
Both were linked from www.aim.aol.com, but the pages themselves were removed once the Microsoft war started. And, recently, the links themselves have been removed.
As the author of a (almost ready for release) AIM client that uses TOC, I've been trying to keep up with all of this news, mostly because I don't want all my code to become worthless.
Use the appropriate freshmeat.net search, or google.com search, and you should find links or tarballs of TiK, TNT, or whatnot.
You assume much about Sun that isn't necessarily true..
You assume that Sun will make decisions for the best of the language, and for the best of those who use it.
However, Sun will make decisions based upon making Sun more popular with pointy-haired types, and investors, and making Sun's stock price go up.
The best thing for the Java language, to make it popular, would be to release a bunch of code with a real open source licence, not the SCSL. However, Sun has to keep control, in order to reserve the option of milking more money out of it.
That's why a standards body would be better. Sun wouldn't have that last-resort lever to pull; preserving their copyrights, trademarks, and other "intellectual property".
gcc decisions, and linux kernel decisions, are made with the only motive being a better compiler, or kernel.
java decisions, as made by Sun, will be made firstly to make Sun's stock more valuable, secondly to make Sun more profit, and thirdly to make it a better language/cross-platform environment.
Sun's "pragmatism" results in more money for them, at the expense of java developers. Linux's pragmatism results in a better kernel.
http://www.openbsd.org
This is for those who can't wait until Red Hat and the rest bother to come up with something that is reasonably secure out of the box.
OpenBSD attempts to do just that.
Of course, nothing beats an informed administrator, but it can't hurt to start with a base that's designed to be securable.
My impression was that Navigator 5 was to be based on Mozilla...
I'm surprised so many posts here seem to imply otherwise.
The difference will be in branding, default homepage, ssl/java/whatever modules, and technical support.
After all, netscape does, in theory, have all that SSL, Java, and other stuff sitting around, that was stripped from the original source release.
Oh yeah, and they have to add the shop button!
Would someone who's not had sight for his whole life, upon gaining sight, have any sexual response to sights?
How much of what we consider a "good looking member of the opposite sex" is actually based on sight, in other words?
I have no answer to suggest to this; I'm just throwing out a question that came up in my mind, after seeing this story mentioned on TV, and on another news site already tonight.
Trust isn't something that should be granted by default, only to be taken when something goes wrong.
Unless id Software, Real Networks, Novell, Netscape/AOL, or anyone else proves to me that they NEED a certain bit of information, in order to serve ME better, I'm not giving them the first initial of my first name.
They already get enough for system administration purposes: HTTP referrer, IP address, even browser type (although Konqueror allows you to change that).
Not really... Malda makes periodic releases, whenever he gets the chance to stabilize the code, and clean it up.
It's not like slash is a well-planned, formal project with a CVS server, and a design committee.
Though, I would hope that the andover.net purchase of slashdot would give him more time to clean up the codebase, along with adding features.
Look on the left sidebar on basically any slashdot page:
directly under "faq", you'll see "code", which is a page about the "slash" engine, source code, and the licensing.
Apologies to the many people who already knew this; I'm just letting someone else in on the deal.
Note that the game has the social engineering settings right on the money...
If you use government to force a "free market", you get POLICE -5, and therefore rioting...
Most of Cygnus's business was in embedded operating systems, and compilers.
Red Hat's business was in packaging, and support, of 3rd party software.
Most of Corel's business is in proprietary software sales.
However, given proper management, this kind of acquisition mania is good for the RHAT shareholders, as it protects them from a slowdown in any one field, because the other fields will help keep Red Hat in the black (or from further losses).
Whether this is good for consumers, or a good strategy given Red Hat's management, I personally can't say.
You'll never have to wait for images to load, scripts to be parsed, and java applets to start, if you turn off Java, Javascript, and automatic image loading. ;-)
It saves much time.
Random thought: is not Super G also an olympic skiing event?
;-)
Might be hard to trademark anyway
Why do you think the rest of the world makes a big deal about what the US does? It's because everyone has high hopes, and high expectations.
<ANALOGY type="NBA Baskteball">
When the US fails to pay heed to the UN, it's in a sense like Shaquille O'Neal's failure to make 75% of his free throws.
</ANALOGY>
It doesn't matter how much you do, because when you're the best out there, all the people watching you will find something to fault you with.
The US's critics will always find it easy to neglect how much money the US does give to people and organisations worldwide (remember to look beyond government as well), how many US troops are stationed worldwide, and how many foreign students the US educates each year. All they'll do is whine about how "stupid" or "ignorant" or "arrogant" the Americans are.
Oh, and regarding open source supremacy.. keep in mind that
1) Red Hat is a US corporation
2) Linus Torvalds has made his home in the US
3) Richard Stallman has made his home in the US for some time.
Absolutely...
But the Irulan narration, I thought, was an attempt to bring across the feel of the quotes at the beginning of each chapter. (as many of them were from histories Irulan wrote after the fact)
I stopped watching the movie, though, once Paul started training the Fremen to use those "weirding modules".
You do know that it's possible to use Windowmaker with KDE, right?
Just substitute wmaker for kwm in your startkde script.
First, don't judge the whole project by its window manager.
Second, If you hate KWM, and its window placements, that much, do this to your startkde file:
- sleep 2 ; exec kwm
+ sleep 2 ; exec wmaker
And, whamo! No more KDE window manager. (Note: you obviously have to have Windowmaker installed for that to work.)
Well, I guess it might be possible to port KOffice to Gtk+, but ...
1) The KDE class hierarchy derives off of the Qt hierarchy, and KOffice naturally uses the KDE libraries. So, porting KOffice means porting all of the KDE libraries first.
2) There's already much to do for finishing KOffice and KDE2, so I think it's not very likely that the KOffice or KDE developers are going to take the time to port to Gtk+.
However, there is a bright side. If you'd really be interested in it, I should think it would be possible to port it yourself, or put together a group of porters yourself, because all of the KDE code is GPL.
Oh, random thought before I go... I suppose it might be possible just to make a modified version of the widget classes, to make kdeui, khtml, and the rest of the libraries use the Gtk+ widgets, while still keeping the Qt programming interface.
If you mean copying from app to app, within one X session, that's already possible. (Most apps will copy to the clipboard by simply selecting text, and paste from the clipboard with the middle mouse button.)
Qt (and thus KDE) has a class which allows for the sending of text to the X clipboard.
My guess is that Motif, Gtk+, and all the other widget sets and toolkits give the developer convenient access to the X clipboard, as well. And, if not, one can always use the X library functions themselves!
If, however, you are referring to copying and pasting from one VC to another, that would probably require kernel-level support. This would be non-portable and, therefore, not popular for developers of portable systems like GNOME. (unless I'm off, and Solaris, *BSD, and the rest already have such a feature.)