In fact, sometimes I just pick a point and argue it to see what people will say, it's a subtle form of trolling sometimes, whereas other times, I just want to see what conversation will come of it. Almost a social experiment if you will. Heh. Still, I do love your product.
No prob man. Like I said, I love your product. I just haven't used much more than the base install in a while since I haven't really loaded it for anything other than to say "Look, that's RedHat, nice OS, back to work." You know? It's all a question of taste, and mine is pretty random, so my opinions are about as valuable as bottled water at a water purification plant. You know?
I just got sarchastic at some asshole who dissed on me, it's not like I really said, "Everybody, come read this gem I wrote, it's better than fucking Moby Dick and all the works of Shakespeare rolled into one."
Wow, you have shown me how little I can care about a direct personal insult. It's almost like the sound of one hand clapping. Some people meditate on it for hours, and yet strangely, I don't give a fuck. Interesting, huh?
Ok, to clear my flustered head. It was a bit more of, who are they trying most to cater to. I, quite frankly, am greatful that you are bringing more people over from the dark side. I just like distros that look and feel a certain way, and are run in a certain way. I like to contribute code, build CVS, and feel like that's what the other users are doing to. That's the main thing about the feel of it for me. The other stuff is there too, but that's just me. I really like your company and the educating, the awareness, the contributions. I just don't like the feel of a Linux that feels more in the hands of the few, you know? I like to download slightly buggy debian packages and write to an author and say, "hey, this is a little bit messed up." You know? I like to have a hand in the final distro. That's what I'm looking for in a dist. I also like a minimalist base install. Give me the OS, and I'll decide what I want in it. What use is JunkBuster to me if I don't know it's there, and didn't put it there, and don't care that it's there? It's just taking up space (Debian is guilty of this too of course). Why do distros feel the need to come with a shitload of software? I realize that you want to say "look, we do all of the shit that windows does," but with windows, it all comes in different boxes. I'm not saying to do that, but you could have it not all dumped in on the user at the start. I am not any more for charging $30 bucks a piece for 20 boxes than then next guy. I like having a lot of neat quirky pieces of software. I don't really need to have the moon phase indicator installed in the base setup of X though, even though I do run it.
Don't get me wrong. I really like RedHat, I just think that development has moved more towards the common user rather than the advanced user. I still like the distro, it just didn't have the general look and feel to it that I generally like. I really like what you did with your base install of X. I don't really like that it boots to X as default. The implementation of enlightenment is great. I don't remember what they were, but I had a couple of compile problems, and a few problems finding things in the directories that I expected them to be in, which made it difficult for me to do a few things. I am really more BSD oriented, so that setup feels a bit more native to me. I still really love the company and the product, it's just not the product for ME. I think that it's not so much the actual product as to where it sets in my mind. I haven't looked at the more recent releases, so maybe I'll burn me an ISO of the new one. I didn't mean to be insulting of course. RedHat has given a lot to the community, and it was my first distro.
Slack and Debian are my 2 main ones. Of course, I am a total newbie since I have used Linux for several years now, as the main OS of my computer rather than NetBSD, and SunOS (on their respective pieces of equipment of course). I can program in several languages and I'm eventually going to have a PhD. I also am finishing college in a CS program in only 3 years, and I could have done it in 2 except that I started out as a dual major and lost interest in taking both. But then, I'm a total newbie, so I must just be talking out my ass.
I mean from the base install. When you start shifting things around a lot, you're getting more and more into the Linux of it and less and less the distribution itself. That said, I still love RedHat, it just isn't MY distribution, and I stated why. I do like RedHat, so chill out man. Personally, I like Slack, and yeah, there was already a flame post calling me a newbie, yadda yadda. I run Debian too, and I'm considering working on the package manager project for slack. It's just not MY dist, that's all man, calm down, put down the gun.
The ultimate question being is RedHat going to stay true to the look and feel of Unix and the power and useability of it or not? Each coming version seems to cater more and more to the uninitiated (good) and less and less to those who seek to immerse themselves in the goodness of a unix environment (bad). I am heartily support RedHat, and am begginning to view it as a portole into the real world for windows (l)users (and I used to run it), than your regular linux distribution. This is ok, there are many linux distros these days that are like that. I still have stock in RedHat (believe it or not). Congrats to the RedHat team, even though I don't run ya (though I set up roommate up with your OS), I still love ya.
I use mozilla quite a bit, though I must say that the newer versions, well, yes, some of the features are less functional and more eye candy. Also, some of the features feel like something to attract windows users who are willing to sacrifice actual functionality for cool looks. I prefer to focus on functionality, but Mozilla pretty much, for me, "does enough." The project could take a look in several other directions.
As for dead...
Waning in popularity. Remember last year? It was HOT. EVERYBODY was grabbing a copy of Mozilla. What happened? Mozilla was pretty much Netscape, and everybody was like, I already have Netscape, look, it's just a different Netscape, who cares, I'm keeping Netscape. Also, people went on to diffent projects. I'd say that the real hardcore computer science population are the ones who, for the most part, don't give a shit about the "World Wide Waste of time/bandwidth," and would prefer to use different, more useful programs over the internet. After all, who wants to use a java chatroom when you can use IRC and have more actual usefulness and more actual conversation, who wants to "surf?" People don't read well written novels, you want to randomly browse through shoddy webpages? The thing about the Mozilla project is that out of the actual "geek" population, the actual slice that is REALLY REALLY REALLY concerned with a feature laden webrowser, enough to spend serious time on that rather than other projects, is slightly fewer than that of other projects in relation to the number of people that the project was really looking for.
That said.
The Mozilla project is significant in many ways, especially the scale and type of project that it tried to be, as well as the product that it outputs (a good browser is a good thing, I DO use SOME webpages). Also, it's not necessarily dead. A lot of people don't want to see it die. A lot of people would contribute if they think that it needs help and if they think that they can actually shape it in some way. In short, people love Mozilla, and they will at least try to save it.
I started using Linux and BSD because I like unix and unix-like operating systems. They are also more powerful and they just do what I want. I suppose that OW would be of interest to certain people, and I know that/. is very much full of open source advocates, but open sourcing windows wouldn't make it a terribly desireable platform for me. This project is nice, it would be nice to see it take on the strenghts of a unix-like architecture and operate windows applications, unfortunately, I think that to REALLY do this, you would have to sacrifice the ability to operate many windows apps. Oh well.
Yeah, it was fun loading my folks M68K. Will be much more fun when it's splitting up my internet connection between some friends and myself in a couple months:-)
I like both. I run both. Heck, my main OS is Slack. I just really like BSD as well, and wish that more people would get into it. That's all. And yes, I suppose that your argument that the purity of code is about equal stands. I mean, you also have that most linux distros are made to emulate SysV, whereas BSD has taken its own path. Then, to counter that argument, you could mention that most SysV servers these days run a BSD compat package. It's really a circular argument, don't you think?
You know, I really really really don't get into the new style of troll posting. I still have a hearty laugh at the ones that are mearly meant to be misleading. Every now and again, I see a troll post that makes me laugh, but when you said but you get a lot of people wondering what you could do with a Beowulf cluster of Natalie Portmans with hot grits on their penis birds I busted out laughing in the middle of work.
I love how people always say, "BSD did nice" in benchmarks and such. BSD has a long, strong tradition. I'm not knocking on Linux, but if you want REAL UNIX, this comes from the original source. This IS UNIX, the kernel is where it's at. It's stable, strong, and a GREAT operating system. Also, it can run Linux binaries and the binaries for SEVERAL OS's. If you haven't checked BSD out, this is a good place to start. I suggest that EVERYONE out there grabs an ISO. Those of you who use slack will be familiar with BSD fairly quickly, as Slack strives to be as true to BSD unix as possible. It's very minimalistic in nature as well. The idea is to add the software you want, not just take away from software that you already installed. Have an operating system, and know what you are installing on it. BSD is a great system, you should all check it out.
The NSA really deals more with cryptographic issues. They do do monitoring, but it is different in nature than the sorts of cases that the FBI deals with. I understand where the confusion may lie, but really, the nature of the agencies is still different enough that they still have the same purpose.
Who will do the porting depends on who is doing the developing. Commercial developers seek users for their software, they will be more likely to be the ones porting their product to the OSX platform, in order to increase market share, gain users, so forth. Open Source Software, however, is the development of software in order to fill a need, it is open sourced to share with the world. People who want OSS on their system typically do the ports themselves. The developers of the software generally aren't looking for more users, it is users looking for the software, and hence they usually do the porting. There are of course, projects such as NetBSD, who really want to run on every platform in existence from supercomputers to gameboys. Overwhelmingly, who ports the software will depend on who owns it, why it is being ported, and who wants it.
It is good to see them fessing up to strong arming their way through business. This is something that some companies never admit to who are even worse about it. I like their chips, but they should achieve their gains through hard work and being better than the other guy (and those of us who have had the pleasure to look at their graphics know that they can do this).
Still, it is good that they have fessed up to this, but someone had to call them on it. Nobody admits that they have done this sort of thing when they have done it, so you can't blame them for not fessing up, hardly anyone on this board can claim that they would have fessed up after the fact, I don't fault them for that at all. What I fault them for is for bullying their way around in the first place. I think that people should concentrate less on the fact that they wouldn't have fessed up and more on the fact that they did this in the first place. Also, it is VERY big of them to admit this, this is really bad press, and fessing up isn't really going to help it (yes, arguably it can, but really, admitting to something that you don't have to doesn't really help people's opinion of you. You altruists should know that their cup is half empty in doing this, not half full).
Anyways, good for them for fessing up, it takes guts. Bad for them for doing it in the first place, and nobody can blame them for not fessing up sooner.
Yes, yes it is. I believe that UNIX is the OS that the IRS uses for their database, which is many many many terrabytes in size. My friend's father works for them, and we discussed this in my file and data structures class.
No offense, but a CE interface for a palm isn't a terribly good idea. Even the people that I know who use CE think that the interface is poor. Menus like that just aren't terribly suited to being the main driving thing in a DPA. Look at palm OS, very easy to use on a small display. The interfaces classic to X are good for palms. Picture enlightenment shrunk onto a PDA screen. That sort of interface would be much more useful than CE's (and I don't care if it's familiar, it IS intuitive). Pager displays and iconboxes, menus that drag out of where you place the cursor (or at least shift properly). I would hope that the YOPY would do these more like it's linux/unix/BSD brethren.
Couples wanting to have children could buy one and uhh, make conception more interesting (though many find it "stimulating" already, people answering surveys often state that they think about other things/people during sex, especially married couples).
Also, you could perform your own genetic enhancements at home. I can see teenaged girls doing it now.
"I hear that blonde hair is in this year. I could bleach it, or I could become a natural blonde"
I can see cyringes replacing makeup kits already.
Yeah, I'm being funny, but similar enhancements are mentioned in many sci-fi novels. One only has to read Neuromancer to read about punks who become lizard men and plug chips into their ears (or for that matter, look at the real lizard man, I'm sure that he'd love genetic enhancements to become more realistic).
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Who was it that had a shit eating fetish. It was some big rock star... I can't remember though. Nasty eh?
Yeah. Well, I do think that RPM is a very convenient package manager. I will give the new release a whirl and see how I like it.
In fact, sometimes I just pick a point and argue it to see what people will say, it's a subtle form of trolling sometimes, whereas other times, I just want to see what conversation will come of it. Almost a social experiment if you will. Heh. Still, I do love your product.
No prob man. Like I said, I love your product. I just haven't used much more than the base install in a while since I haven't really loaded it for anything other than to say "Look, that's RedHat, nice OS, back to work." You know? It's all a question of taste, and mine is pretty random, so my opinions are about as valuable as bottled water at a water purification plant. You know?
I just got sarchastic at some asshole who dissed on me, it's not like I really said, "Everybody, come read this gem I wrote, it's better than fucking Moby Dick and all the works of Shakespeare rolled into one."
Wow, you have shown me how little I can care about a direct personal insult. It's almost like the sound of one hand clapping. Some people meditate on it for hours, and yet strangely, I don't give a fuck. Interesting, huh?
Ok, to clear my flustered head. It was a bit more of, who are they trying most to cater to. I, quite frankly, am greatful that you are bringing more people over from the dark side. I just like distros that look and feel a certain way, and are run in a certain way. I like to contribute code, build CVS, and feel like that's what the other users are doing to. That's the main thing about the feel of it for me. The other stuff is there too, but that's just me. I really like your company and the educating, the awareness, the contributions. I just don't like the feel of a Linux that feels more in the hands of the few, you know? I like to download slightly buggy debian packages and write to an author and say, "hey, this is a little bit messed up." You know? I like to have a hand in the final distro. That's what I'm looking for in a dist. I also like a minimalist base install. Give me the OS, and I'll decide what I want in it. What use is JunkBuster to me if I don't know it's there, and didn't put it there, and don't care that it's there? It's just taking up space (Debian is guilty of this too of course). Why do distros feel the need to come with a shitload of software? I realize that you want to say "look, we do all of the shit that windows does," but with windows, it all comes in different boxes. I'm not saying to do that, but you could have it not all dumped in on the user at the start. I am not any more for charging $30 bucks a piece for 20 boxes than then next guy. I like having a lot of neat quirky pieces of software. I don't really need to have the moon phase indicator installed in the base setup of X though, even though I do run it.
Just a few ideas.
Don't get me wrong. I really like RedHat, I just think that development has moved more towards the common user rather than the advanced user. I still like the distro, it just didn't have the general look and feel to it that I generally like. I really like what you did with your base install of X. I don't really like that it boots to X as default. The implementation of enlightenment is great. I don't remember what they were, but I had a couple of compile problems, and a few problems finding things in the directories that I expected them to be in, which made it difficult for me to do a few things. I am really more BSD oriented, so that setup feels a bit more native to me. I still really love the company and the product, it's just not the product for ME. I think that it's not so much the actual product as to where it sets in my mind. I haven't looked at the more recent releases, so maybe I'll burn me an ISO of the new one. I didn't mean to be insulting of course. RedHat has given a lot to the community, and it was my first distro.
Slack and Debian are my 2 main ones. Of course, I am a total newbie since I have used Linux for several years now, as the main OS of my computer rather than NetBSD, and SunOS (on their respective pieces of equipment of course). I can program in several languages and I'm eventually going to have a PhD. I also am finishing college in a CS program in only 3 years, and I could have done it in 2 except that I started out as a dual major and lost interest in taking both. But then, I'm a total newbie, so I must just be talking out my ass.
I mean from the base install. When you start shifting things around a lot, you're getting more and more into the Linux of it and less and less the distribution itself. That said, I still love RedHat, it just isn't MY distribution, and I stated why. I do like RedHat, so chill out man. Personally, I like Slack, and yeah, there was already a flame post calling me a newbie, yadda yadda. I run Debian too, and I'm considering working on the package manager project for slack. It's just not MY dist, that's all man, calm down, put down the gun.
The ultimate question being is RedHat going to stay true to the look and feel of Unix and the power and useability of it or not? Each coming version seems to cater more and more to the uninitiated (good) and less and less to those who seek to immerse themselves in the goodness of a unix environment (bad). I am heartily support RedHat, and am begginning to view it as a portole into the real world for windows (l)users (and I used to run it), than your regular linux distribution. This is ok, there are many linux distros these days that are like that. I still have stock in RedHat (believe it or not). Congrats to the RedHat team, even though I don't run ya (though I set up roommate up with your OS), I still love ya.
I use mozilla quite a bit, though I must say that the newer versions, well, yes, some of the features are less functional and more eye candy. Also, some of the features feel like something to attract windows users who are willing to sacrifice actual functionality for cool looks. I prefer to focus on functionality, but Mozilla pretty much, for me, "does enough." The project could take a look in several other directions.
As for dead...
Waning in popularity. Remember last year? It was HOT. EVERYBODY was grabbing a copy of Mozilla. What happened? Mozilla was pretty much Netscape, and everybody was like, I already have Netscape, look, it's just a different Netscape, who cares, I'm keeping Netscape. Also, people went on to diffent projects. I'd say that the real hardcore computer science population are the ones who, for the most part, don't give a shit about the "World Wide Waste of time/bandwidth," and would prefer to use different, more useful programs over the internet. After all, who wants to use a java chatroom when you can use IRC and have more actual usefulness and more actual conversation, who wants to "surf?" People don't read well written novels, you want to randomly browse through shoddy webpages? The thing about the Mozilla project is that out of the actual "geek" population, the actual slice that is REALLY REALLY REALLY concerned with a feature laden webrowser, enough to spend serious time on that rather than other projects, is slightly fewer than that of other projects in relation to the number of people that the project was really looking for.
That said.
The Mozilla project is significant in many ways, especially the scale and type of project that it tried to be, as well as the product that it outputs (a good browser is a good thing, I DO use SOME webpages). Also, it's not necessarily dead. A lot of people don't want to see it die. A lot of people would contribute if they think that it needs help and if they think that they can actually shape it in some way. In short, people love Mozilla, and they will at least try to save it.
I started using Linux and BSD because I like unix and unix-like operating systems. They are also more powerful and they just do what I want. I suppose that OW would be of interest to certain people, and I know that /. is very much full of open source advocates, but open sourcing windows wouldn't make it a terribly desireable platform for me. This project is nice, it would be nice to see it take on the strenghts of a unix-like architecture and operate windows applications, unfortunately, I think that to REALLY do this, you would have to sacrifice the ability to operate many windows apps. Oh well.
Yeah, it was fun loading my folks M68K. Will be much more fun when it's splitting up my internet connection between some friends and myself in a couple months :-)
I like both. I run both. Heck, my main OS is Slack. I just really like BSD as well, and wish that more people would get into it. That's all. And yes, I suppose that your argument that the purity of code is about equal stands. I mean, you also have that most linux distros are made to emulate SysV, whereas BSD has taken its own path. Then, to counter that argument, you could mention that most SysV servers these days run a BSD compat package. It's really a circular argument, don't you think?
You know, I really really really don't get into the new style of troll posting. I still have a hearty laugh at the ones that are mearly meant to be misleading. Every now and again, I see a troll post that makes me laugh, but when you said but you get a lot of people wondering what you could do with a Beowulf cluster of Natalie Portmans with hot grits on their penis birds I busted out laughing in the middle of work.
I run Slack 7 as well thank you.
I love how people always say, "BSD did nice" in benchmarks and such. BSD has a long, strong tradition. I'm not knocking on Linux, but if you want REAL UNIX, this comes from the original source. This IS UNIX, the kernel is where it's at. It's stable, strong, and a GREAT operating system. Also, it can run Linux binaries and the binaries for SEVERAL OS's. If you haven't checked BSD out, this is a good place to start. I suggest that EVERYONE out there grabs an ISO. Those of you who use slack will be familiar with BSD fairly quickly, as Slack strives to be as true to BSD unix as possible. It's very minimalistic in nature as well. The idea is to add the software you want, not just take away from software that you already installed. Have an operating system, and know what you are installing on it. BSD is a great system, you should all check it out.
The NSA really deals more with cryptographic issues. They do do monitoring, but it is different in nature than the sorts of cases that the FBI deals with. I understand where the confusion may lie, but really, the nature of the agencies is still different enough that they still have the same purpose.
Who will do the porting depends on who is doing the developing. Commercial developers seek users for their software, they will be more likely to be the ones porting their product to the OSX platform, in order to increase market share, gain users, so forth. Open Source Software, however, is the development of software in order to fill a need, it is open sourced to share with the world. People who want OSS on their system typically do the ports themselves. The developers of the software generally aren't looking for more users, it is users looking for the software, and hence they usually do the porting. There are of course, projects such as NetBSD, who really want to run on every platform in existence from supercomputers to gameboys. Overwhelmingly, who ports the software will depend on who owns it, why it is being ported, and who wants it.
It is good to see them fessing up to strong arming their way through business. This is something that some companies never admit to who are even worse about it. I like their chips, but they should achieve their gains through hard work and being better than the other guy (and those of us who have had the pleasure to look at their graphics know that they can do this).
Still, it is good that they have fessed up to this, but someone had to call them on it. Nobody admits that they have done this sort of thing when they have done it, so you can't blame them for not fessing up, hardly anyone on this board can claim that they would have fessed up after the fact, I don't fault them for that at all. What I fault them for is for bullying their way around in the first place. I think that people should concentrate less on the fact that they wouldn't have fessed up and more on the fact that they did this in the first place. Also, it is VERY big of them to admit this, this is really bad press, and fessing up isn't really going to help it (yes, arguably it can, but really, admitting to something that you don't have to doesn't really help people's opinion of you. You altruists should know that their cup is half empty in doing this, not half full).
Anyways, good for them for fessing up, it takes guts. Bad for them for doing it in the first place, and nobody can blame them for not fessing up sooner.
Yes, yes it is. I believe that UNIX is the OS that the IRS uses for their database, which is many many many terrabytes in size. My friend's father works for them, and we discussed this in my file and data structures class.
Well, if I get the $$$ together for a PDA, maybe I will :-)
We're all different.
No offense, but a CE interface for a palm isn't a terribly good idea. Even the people that I know who use CE think that the interface is poor. Menus like that just aren't terribly suited to being the main driving thing in a DPA. Look at palm OS, very easy to use on a small display. The interfaces classic to X are good for palms. Picture enlightenment shrunk onto a PDA screen. That sort of interface would be much more useful than CE's (and I don't care if it's familiar, it IS intuitive). Pager displays and iconboxes, menus that drag out of where you place the cursor (or at least shift properly). I would hope that the YOPY would do these more like it's linux/unix/BSD brethren.
We're all different.
Couples wanting to have children could buy one and uhh, make conception more interesting (though many find it "stimulating" already, people answering surveys often state that they think about other things/people during sex, especially married couples).
Also, you could perform your own genetic enhancements at home. I can see teenaged girls doing it now.
"I hear that blonde hair is in this year. I could bleach it, or I could become a natural blonde"
I can see cyringes replacing makeup kits already.
Yeah, I'm being funny, but similar enhancements are mentioned in many sci-fi novels. One only has to read Neuromancer to read about punks who become lizard men and plug chips into their ears (or for that matter, look at the real lizard man, I'm sure that he'd love genetic enhancements to become more realistic).
It's coming. Cool, eh?
We're all different.