I think however you are mistaken with the average/majority rules. For instance, certain people have certain tastes - and because of that you can never have an ideal moderation where you rely on the objective evaluation of people.
That is the reason with my current project, nerdfarm [currently down, blame network solutions], I decided to throw out moderation on the message boards. Instead of moderation and a rating system - I approach it as, what do most people find interesting/not interesting/annoying, etc. And then try to profile. It's really not that difficult, there are a few categories of rating and then you can just do some simple math off of those.
This gets rid of trolls because troll posts wont ever be seen unless a certain person pays attention to them.. granted, 5 people may have to look at them before they start being sifted down.
Also, Karma Whores aren't around -- because the only way for you to score the rough equivalent of karma points is to post what people find interesting and provokes discussion and interaction (the system tracks what users interact with each post)
Well, in a nut shell that's what I think the perfect moderation system is. However it's just my opinion. If anyone is interested I'll post more details..
I thought the whole thing was pretty damn funny.
And besides, who are you to judge what obviously 3 (at min, 5-3=2(sig's default post)) other people deemed worthy and funny.
You must be God!
Please dont smite me oh Lord! I was wrong to question your powerful judgement.
Maybe you should realize that other people have different senses of humor, and you are not the judge. So, if you are going to request him to not get modded, I'll request for you never to post on slashdot again. In fact, please, never use a computer again. Better yet, the only form of communication you can do is smoke signals. Not even talking.
I think that's reasonable?
not the editors
WTF is an editors job then?
Hm, editor; one who edits. Hence, they should edit whatever post is going to be posted. Of course, anyone who confuses Adobe with a little house of mud probably isn't too apt at clicking either. It is getting horrendous. Slashdot tries to push itself as a journalism site, yet all they really do is publish other peoples gibberish with links.
Bring Slashdot back to what made it popular, a link site with a message board attached to it. It was a portal, and that was what it was good at. It should not be a news site. It should not be for journalism. The only time I admired the journalism on slashdot was when Jon Katz posted a feature. While I seldom agree with Jon Katz anti-witchhunt and extremist point of view -- it was/is journalism.
The "journalistic" content of slashdot now consists of interviews with their friends and collegues, and occasionally someone with higher visibility that has input from the message board instead of Slashdot "journalists".
I'm finding myself looking at other sites like linuxtoday.com for real nerd-news. They just link, and that's what Slashdot did to make it popular.
I suppose I can't blame them, the old philosphy of do it till your popular then do what you want seems in effect. Unfortunately a lot of the people who made slashdot what it is today are getting fed up with the constant idiocy spewing forth from the posters.
The only person that I think doesn't make routine mistakes and blanket idiotic statements is CmdrTaco because it seems he still holds the ideal of slashdot there, post links with summary and if you have something to add, add it -- otherwise just let the link be.
My interaction with speakeasy has been horrendous!
After a long painstaking phone call, explaining how I needed a subnet, just a small network of 24 or 32 IP's and I wanted them to route the line they assured me it would be simple and easy.
Well, I get the order confirmation almost 2 weeks later [keep in mind, this is a speakeasy internal thing, hasn't gone to Covad yet] telling me that they processed my order and it's ok on their end and I have been approved for a 384KBps line with 1 IP.
Hmm..
I call them and tell them they have my order wrong, to which they say, "We have nothing on record for this". Obviously.
So I corrected my order, they said, Ok, no problem. ... wait another 2 weeks...
Get an email back, with my new order (this time correct) but a price tag of over $300!!
I can get a leased T1 for $500/month?? WTF??
I politely told them I would no longer need their service, and if they would terminate any contact with me.
That was a little over 2 months ago, I still don't have DSL because it turns out the CO is full for my district, and I still receive speakeasy spam.
Damn them.
Damn all of them
Aside from stupid enforcement, this could actually be a really good thing
A while back at a certain gov't job, we had an attacker break in. We did trace him, found out for the most part who he was and everything.
He was from a EU country, and we couldn't do *anything* about it. It was really frustrating, because what he did went far beyond just the curiosity approach that I advocate to a point.
His intent was damage, and instead of someone being punished for their crime myself and another coworker had to stay late for days digging through logs of other machines to find out how deep the damage went. That's not fair.
However this could be the worst thing that we could come up against. Depending upon how far they want to take the 'device used for hacking'.
I mean.. hell, look back to the young isreali Edin Tenebaum, aka Analyzer. That guy was funny, and aided those kids (by aiding more or less told them information they needed) to break into the pentagon.
Edin in my opinion is completely innocent. Telling someone how to shoot a gun doesn't make them an accessory to murder. nerdfarm.org
You can read right?
FuckedCo!
IdeaLab!
Hmm.. it makes me sad that my tax dollars go to a public school that educates people who can't distinguish between the two words. nerdfarm.org
What we do is having each server here (here being where I work not nerdfarm which I lose money to operate*G*) completely ignore for the most part what's going on.
We've hacked out a packet sniffer that runs on the network picking up good data (ie, where is the hit coming from) and then between that and our dns load balancing software we get a really good monitoring package to find out exactly how busy our servers are.
And BTW, our servers serve approximately 2000-6000 hits a second. yes, a second. Yeah.. it is a lot. And it all runs apache. nerdfarm.org
Hmm.. black holes are theory.
If all science is waiting to be disproven, then it will never advance.
For instance, drive a car for exactly one hour at 60 miles per hour without acceleration (or deceleration). Prove you went 60 miles in that hour.
That's a theory too, sometimes you just have to say this is the way it is and accept it.
Black holes are real
Black holes are more or less the foundation for the universe (the order and such)
If you don't believe me, go ask one. Make sure you get real close so it can hear you. And that event horizon thing, psh.. just a figment of an imagination.
This isn't mean to be a flame at all, my intention is to provide you with a different perspective. nerdfarm.org
What you are talking about is the Big Bang/Big Crunch theories
If the universe expands like a rubber band type thing, to a point then slowly starts contracting again or
if it will expand infinitely.
It's all relational to the amount of matter and graviational pull to the expansion and what not, unfortunately we don't have enough knowledge of dark matter to definitely say whether we're gonna get crunched or stretched. nerdfarm.org
We didn't find there to be a black hole in the center.. we knew that already
If you read the article you would note that we pinpointed it's location in the milky way
Read the article, then post.
nerdfarm.org
For all Frank Miller fans (you seem to be one) Get the Frank Miller leatherbound Batman book. It is probably 250 pages or more, of full page drawing with little one page poems and prose.
The most powerful tale of the dark knight I have ever seen.
Here's an entry for what I'm talking about:
Miller, Frank. The Complete Frank Miller Batman. 1st ed. Stamford: Longmeadow Press, 1989.
After reading this book, I'm sure that the effects and cinemtography of Pi will compliment and complete any movie bound version of a Frank Miller story. Of course.. Robin was.. nevermind, wont spoil it for you if you want to read it:).
I was reading since more or less the beginning (2 months after it was/.) and I don't think I created a login for myself until at least 8 months later, probably a year but I don't really remember. Either way, that was years ago and I still don't really think my/. username is absolutely necessary. yeah, I configure it to be My Slashdot, but hell, that's what My Yahoo is for.
But I do agree, low user IDs are not cool:)
Why in the hell your post was modded to +4 I'll never know.
The same reason that First Boobs was modded up as being funny.
Moderators are people.
people can be, and tend to act, stupid.
Stupidity likes stupidity
Back in the good old days of college years, I served as an intern for NASA. Part of my experience there was monitoring security processes for our group. There really weren't any. We were handling classified information including some military inventions and devices for our project and some of our trusted boxes (there was RSH used with.rhosts) were out of the box redhat 4.2 with no additional security precautions. I changed that as soon as possible, but the night before the last machine was to be worked on it was broken into.. how's that for irony.
However, my experience with commercial networks have been a lot worse. One company had two seperate networks, connected by a machine with two NIC's and it was expected to filter traffic between the two. Rather amusing approach to segregating between a private and public network. Their only problem is the gateway between private and public had an ancient version of sendmail serving mail as well. Ahh.. I love the smell of poor management in the morning.
I'm not sure where you look at, but when I post for a new contract I get on average 20-30 recruiters a day calling me all offering my rate and usually higher. Course it's the silicon valley, and reality is warped beyond all form of recognition here.
First off, I don't intend this to be a flame by any means.
Please.. learn about computer security and the history before you beg to not fight it anymore. If that's the case, you can give up, change your root password to 'a' (assuming you run *nix)
As for myself, I enjoy securing my box and watching people try to break in. All my data is backed up and because I do open source work they have nothing to steal.
Don't volunteer to quit something you obviously are not a part of.
What are you talking about a recent innovative way to do bad things over IRC? I remember a long time ago having fun with trojan IRC scripts and other faults in clients that allowed you to cause people to disconnect and things along those lines. None of this is new. All of these exploits are based off of old faults. They are getting fixed (however slowly) and soon we will have out-of-the-box security, no it wont stop everyone. But it will stop the script kiddies that can only run other peoples programs to attack other peoples computer. But, no, instead we throw money at a vain battle to keep our computers safe.
A few words, shut the hell up. When you become a competent security consultant then say that money is being thrown to no avail. Security is an option, but it does take two things, competency and patience. You have to have patience to find and fix new problems, and the competency to do it.
It's not a war, at least not against the script kiddies. It's called evolution, and survival of the fitest. When your computer get broken into next, I hope you don't turn it back on and donate it to someone who takes better care of it.
Best advice is to contract. If you can find a good accountant then go 1099 - you will save a ton on taxes.
I've been contracting for a while, not only do I learn new and very cool stuff but I always get a better job.
And there is just a ton more money in it, since contracting I've never had a contract that was lower than $100K/year (avg, since it's hourly by contract)
$50K in the silicon valley is the poverty line.
Average rent in San Jose for a 2 bedroom is $2000 a month.
$2000*12 = $24000 a year. Now, take taxes out of $50K/year (About $1500 a month net)
$3000*12 = $36000 a year.
That only leaves $12000 a year to survive on.
A thousand dollars a month, extra. Now I know my bills are well over a thousand dollars a month, and I am single (soon to be married - love ya sweety) and have a car payment, and a motorcycle payment, and a cell phone and my bills amount to about $1500.
$50K a year is a bullshit job for a family of 4 in San Jose.
The creation of new galaxies is often very radio-intensive. Much more information can be 'seen' by radio telescopes than light telescopes. Especially because of the atmosphere, etc. Even hubble has to deal with high atmospheric effects botching up the picture.
Also, the further out you look the older you are looking into time. It goes into relativity theory. For instance, if you had a really high powered telescope and a mirror that was one light year away from you and you did a little dance and came back two years later with your telescope and looked at the mirror you would see yourself doing the dance. It takes all electromagnetic radiation (speed of light) the same amount of time to travel through space (discounting superstring theory and all the new physics research to make the example simple) so if you have a galaxy being born 72 billion light years away, you are in effect looking at something that is 72 billion years old.
Physics rocks:)
(paraphrased) "2600 is metaphorically driving people to houses so they can rob people"
Hm. My local metropolitan transporation authority (read: public bus) gave some crazy guy a ride to the bus stop in front of my apartment and he broke into my house, so I'm going to sue the transporation authority so they can't actually bring people anywhere, just tell them where to go.
Damn, sometimes I just think that America litigation is there just to provide laughs. Then I realize that it affects me and I wish that we could just some how abolish entities like the MPAA after providing such a stupid and flawed statement and enforcing it in court.
a) learn about interhack, find out if they give out email addresses.
b) there are other documents and also I have witnessed conversations with emmett present where clyde has stated his affiliations with interhack.
Slashdot Mirror
I think however you are mistaken with the average/majority rules. For instance, certain people have certain tastes - and because of that you can never have an ideal moderation where you rely on the objective evaluation of people.
That is the reason with my current project, nerdfarm [currently down, blame network solutions], I decided to throw out moderation on the message boards. Instead of moderation and a rating system - I approach it as, what do most people find interesting/not interesting/annoying, etc. And then try to profile. It's really not that difficult, there are a few categories of rating and then you can just do some simple math off of those.
This gets rid of trolls because troll posts wont ever be seen unless a certain person pays attention to them.. granted, 5 people may have to look at them before they start being sifted down.
Also, Karma Whores aren't around -- because the only way for you to score the rough equivalent of karma points is to post what people find interesting and provokes discussion and interaction (the system tracks what users interact with each post)
Well, in a nut shell that's what I think the perfect moderation system is. However it's just my opinion. If anyone is interested I'll post more details..
I thought the whole thing was pretty damn funny.
And besides, who are you to judge what obviously 3 (at min, 5-3=2(sig's default post)) other people deemed worthy and funny.
You must be God!
Please dont smite me oh Lord! I was wrong to question your powerful judgement.
Maybe you should realize that other people have different senses of humor, and you are not the judge. So, if you are going to request him to not get modded, I'll request for you never to post on slashdot again. In fact, please, never use a computer again. Better yet, the only form of communication you can do is smoke signals. Not even talking.
I think that's reasonable?
not the editors
WTF is an editors job then?
Hm, editor; one who edits. Hence, they should edit whatever post is going to be posted. Of course, anyone who confuses Adobe with a little house of mud probably isn't too apt at clicking either. It is getting horrendous. Slashdot tries to push itself as a journalism site, yet all they really do is publish other peoples gibberish with links.
Bring Slashdot back to what made it popular, a link site with a message board attached to it. It was a portal, and that was what it was good at. It should not be a news site. It should not be for journalism. The only time I admired the journalism on slashdot was when Jon Katz posted a feature. While I seldom agree with Jon Katz anti-witchhunt and extremist point of view -- it was/is journalism.
The "journalistic" content of slashdot now consists of interviews with their friends and collegues, and occasionally someone with higher visibility that has input from the message board instead of Slashdot "journalists".
I'm finding myself looking at other sites like linuxtoday.com for real nerd-news. They just link, and that's what Slashdot did to make it popular.
I suppose I can't blame them, the old philosphy of do it till your popular then do what you want seems in effect. Unfortunately a lot of the people who made slashdot what it is today are getting fed up with the constant idiocy spewing forth from the posters.
The only person that I think doesn't make routine mistakes and blanket idiotic statements is CmdrTaco because it seems he still holds the ideal of slashdot there, post links with summary and if you have something to add, add it -- otherwise just let the link be.
nerdfarm.org
My interaction with speakeasy has been horrendous!
... wait another 2 weeks ...
After a long painstaking phone call, explaining how I needed a subnet, just a small network of 24 or 32 IP's and I wanted them to route the line they assured me it would be simple and easy.
Well, I get the order confirmation almost 2 weeks later [keep in mind, this is a speakeasy internal thing, hasn't gone to Covad yet] telling me that they processed my order and it's ok on their end and I have been approved for a 384KBps line with 1 IP.
Hmm..
I call them and tell them they have my order wrong, to which they say, "We have nothing on record for this". Obviously.
So I corrected my order, they said, Ok, no problem.
Get an email back, with my new order (this time correct) but a price tag of over $300!!
I can get a leased T1 for $500/month?? WTF??
I politely told them I would no longer need their service, and if they would terminate any contact with me.
That was a little over 2 months ago, I still don't have DSL because it turns out the CO is full for my district, and I still receive speakeasy spam.
Damn them.
Damn all of them
nerdfarm.org
Aside from stupid enforcement, this could actually be a really good thing
A while back at a certain gov't job, we had an attacker break in. We did trace him, found out for the most part who he was and everything.
He was from a EU country, and we couldn't do *anything* about it. It was really frustrating, because what he did went far beyond just the curiosity approach that I advocate to a point.
His intent was damage, and instead of someone being punished for their crime myself and another coworker had to stay late for days digging through logs of other machines to find out how deep the damage went. That's not fair.
However this could be the worst thing that we could come up against. Depending upon how far they want to take the 'device used for hacking'.
I mean.. hell, look back to the young isreali Edin Tenebaum, aka Analyzer. That guy was funny, and aided those kids (by aiding more or less told them information they needed) to break into the pentagon.
Edin in my opinion is completely innocent. Telling someone how to shoot a gun doesn't make them an accessory to murder.
nerdfarm.org
You can read right?
FuckedCo!
IdeaLab!
Hmm.. it makes me sad that my tax dollars go to a public school that educates people who can't distinguish between the two words.
nerdfarm.org
Are they planning on removing the RPC crap?
That (aside from the pallette) is the most annoying thing about CDE.
nerdfarm.org
What we do is having each server here (here being where I work not nerdfarm which I lose money to operate*G*) completely ignore for the most part what's going on.
We've hacked out a packet sniffer that runs on the network picking up good data (ie, where is the hit coming from) and then between that and our dns load balancing software we get a really good monitoring package to find out exactly how busy our servers are. And BTW, our servers serve approximately 2000-6000 hits a second. yes, a second. Yeah.. it is a lot. And it all runs apache.
nerdfarm.org
Hmm.. black holes are theory.
If all science is waiting to be disproven, then it will never advance.
For instance, drive a car for exactly one hour at 60 miles per hour without acceleration (or deceleration). Prove you went 60 miles in that hour.
That's a theory too, sometimes you just have to say this is the way it is and accept it.
Black holes are real
Black holes are more or less the foundation for the universe (the order and such)
If you don't believe me, go ask one. Make sure you get real close so it can hear you. And that event horizon thing, psh.. just a figment of an imagination.
This isn't mean to be a flame at all, my intention is to provide you with a different perspective.
nerdfarm.org
What you are talking about is the Big Bang/Big Crunch theories
If the universe expands like a rubber band type thing, to a point then slowly starts contracting again
or if it will expand infinitely.
It's all relational to the amount of matter and graviational pull to the expansion and what not, unfortunately we don't have enough knowledge of dark matter to definitely say whether we're gonna get crunched or stretched.
nerdfarm.org
We didn't find there to be a black hole in the center.. we knew that already
If you read the article you would note that we pinpointed it's location in the milky way
Read the article, then post.
nerdfarm.org
For all Frank Miller fans (you seem to be one) .. Robin was.. nevermind, wont spoil it for you if you want to read it :).
Get the Frank Miller leatherbound Batman book. It is probably 250 pages or more, of full page drawing with little one page poems and prose.
The most powerful tale of the dark knight I have ever seen.
Here's an entry for what I'm talking about:
Miller, Frank. The Complete Frank Miller Batman. 1st ed. Stamford: Longmeadow Press, 1989.
After reading this book, I'm sure that the effects and cinemtography of Pi will compliment and complete any movie bound version of a Frank Miller story. Of course
nerdfarm.org
I was reading since more or less the beginning (2 months after it was /.) and I don't think I created a login for myself until at least 8 months later, probably a year but I don't really remember. Either way, that was years ago and I still don't really think my /. username is absolutely necessary. yeah, I configure it to be My Slashdot, but hell, that's what My Yahoo is for. :)
But I do agree, low user IDs are not cool
nerdfarm.org
dude.. airplanes rock yeh, it only costs $5 a min too. i carded so its free cool free pr0n too.
nerdfarm.org
The same reason that First Boobs was modded up as being funny.
Moderators are people.
people can be, and tend to act, stupid.
Stupidity likes stupidity
nerdfarm.org
Back in the good old days of college years, I served as an intern for NASA. Part of my experience there was monitoring security processes for our group. There really weren't any. We were handling classified information including some military inventions and devices for our project and some of our trusted boxes (there was RSH used with .rhosts) were out of the box redhat 4.2 with no additional security precautions. I changed that as soon as possible, but the night before the last machine was to be worked on it was broken into.. how's that for irony.
However, my experience with commercial networks have been a lot worse. One company had two seperate networks, connected by a machine with two NIC's and it was expected to filter traffic between the two. Rather amusing approach to segregating between a private and public network. Their only problem is the gateway between private and public had an ancient version of sendmail serving mail as well.
Ahh.. I love the smell of poor management in the morning.
nerdfarm.org
I'm not sure where you look at, but when I post for a new contract I get on average 20-30 recruiters a day calling me all offering my rate and usually higher. Course it's the silicon valley, and reality is warped beyond all form of recognition here.
nerdfarm.org
Unfortunately no, another payment cause she wants her own bike :)
nerdfarm.org
First off, I don't intend this to be a flame by any means.
Please.. learn about computer security and the history before you beg to not fight it anymore. If that's the case, you can give up, change your root password to 'a' (assuming you run *nix)
As for myself, I enjoy securing my box and watching people try to break in. All my data is backed up and because I do open source work they have nothing to steal.
Don't volunteer to quit something you obviously are not a part of.
What are you talking about a recent innovative way to do bad things over IRC? I remember a long time ago having fun with trojan IRC scripts and other faults in clients that allowed you to cause people to disconnect and things along those lines. None of this is new. All of these exploits are based off of old faults. They are getting fixed (however slowly) and soon we will have out-of-the-box security, no it wont stop everyone. But it will stop the script kiddies that can only run other peoples programs to attack other peoples computer.
But, no, instead we throw money at a vain battle to keep our computers safe. A few words, shut the hell up. When you become a competent security consultant then say that money is being thrown to no avail. Security is an option, but it does take two things, competency and patience. You have to have patience to find and fix new problems, and the competency to do it.
It's not a war, at least not against the script kiddies. It's called evolution, and survival of the fitest. When your computer get broken into next, I hope you don't turn it back on and donate it to someone who takes better care of it.
nerdfarm.org
Best advice is to contract. If you can find a good accountant then go 1099 - you will save a ton on taxes.
I've been contracting for a while, not only do I learn new and very cool stuff but I always get a better job.
And there is just a ton more money in it, since contracting I've never had a contract that was lower than $100K/year (avg, since it's hourly by contract)
nerdfarm.org
$50K in the silicon valley is the poverty line. Average rent in San Jose for a 2 bedroom is $2000 a month.
$2000*12 = $24000 a year.
Now, take taxes out of $50K/year (About $1500 a month net)
$3000*12 = $36000 a year.
That only leaves $12000 a year to survive on. A thousand dollars a month, extra. Now I know my bills are well over a thousand dollars a month, and I am single (soon to be married - love ya sweety) and have a car payment, and a motorcycle payment, and a cell phone and my bills amount to about $1500.
$50K a year is a bullshit job for a family of 4 in San Jose.
nerdfarm.org
The creation of new galaxies is often very radio-intensive. Much more information can be 'seen' by radio telescopes than light telescopes. Especially because of the atmosphere, etc. Even hubble has to deal with high atmospheric effects botching up the picture. :)
Also, the further out you look the older you are looking into time. It goes into relativity theory. For instance, if you had a really high powered telescope and a mirror that was one light year away from you and you did a little dance and came back two years later with your telescope and looked at the mirror you would see yourself doing the dance. It takes all electromagnetic radiation (speed of light) the same amount of time to travel through space (discounting superstring theory and all the new physics research to make the example simple) so if you have a galaxy being born 72 billion light years away, you are in effect looking at something that is 72 billion years old.
Physics rocks
nerdfarm.org
(paraphrased) "2600 is metaphorically driving people to houses so they can rob people"
Hm. My local metropolitan transporation authority (read: public bus) gave some crazy guy a ride to the bus stop in front of my apartment and he broke into my house, so I'm going to sue the transporation authority so they can't actually bring people anywhere, just tell them where to go.
Damn, sometimes I just think that America litigation is there just to provide laughs. Then I realize that it affects me and I wish that we could just some how abolish entities like the MPAA after providing such a stupid and flawed statement and enforcing it in court.
nerdfarm.org
Casual Passerby: "Do you know what time it is?"
Person wearing Linux Watch: "Absolutely not, but I run linux on it."
nerdfarm.org
a) learn about interhack, find out if they give out email addresses.
b) there are other documents and also I have witnessed conversations with emmett present where clyde has stated his affiliations with interhack.
nerdfarm.org