Exactly, and you chose to argue these non-existent points.
You only asked me if if a bizarre contrived situation would be stealing.
No, not really. I asked, "What did I steal?" and you just completely missed it.
I replied that not only would it not be stealing, but wherever you were going with the straw-man argument was totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.
This is exactly what I was talking about. There was a point to it, but you couldn't see it. Nor do you see it now. You just want to argue that it's irrelevant without actually understanding the point.
The problem is you are presenting a premise without your argument and complaining when I reject the premise without waiting for the argument!
Uh, so then you acknowledge that I wasn't actually trying to make a point at the time. But you were arguing (and not even answering a simple question, really) about the point to be made without knowing what it was that I was actually going to say.
Damn, life must be rough for you.. being telepathic and all.
Cripes man, I went as far as I could. A math formula can't be owned, thus can't be stolen. But OK, good day to you as well.
Here's the thing, you wouldn't listen to any points that I made because you are so busy arging points that I haven't even made (nor was going to make.)
In other words, you aren't listen to anything I'm saying.
Thus, arguing or debating anything is comporable to presenting points directly to an inanimate object. Like a basketball.
I'm not very good at basketball, so I choose not to play.
And the state is bound by the Federal Constitution, so what rights the Con doesn't grant to the Fed, or the individual states, cannot be taken from the final recipiant - the People. That's us, of course. Basically, except where it explicitly says so, all rights end up being derived from the classic quote 'Your right to swing your fist ends at my face'. Or even 'Do as thou wilt but harm none' (though that's a bit strong because of the implied emotional aspect...)
There is a right to travel unrestricted. There is no such thing as a right to drive on public roads. Those roads are created by the people, and unfortunately, most of the people who drive are horribly stupid behind a wheel and tend to think that's just the way it goes.
I do not believe in any right that states a person can travel in a 6,000lbs steel cage at 65mph by themselves. That is a privledge granted by the municipal group known as the DMV. It just so happens that a chimpanzee with cerebral palsy can be granted that privledge.
I'm 6 foot 5, and mostly torso. I have 1/3 inch of clearance to the roof of my Ram (I know this because I can't wear a baseball cap, and the button plus material is 1/3 inch (or close enough for me, anyway, it's not like I took verniers to it). My primary viewing area passes through the edge of the tint band on the top of the windshield.
Ouch, that has to suck. I feel for you. I'm that way with a lot of the smaller economy cars. If I have to drive one I just do the gansta lean with the seat back laying down:)
It's not a phobia of technology, it's independance from technology. The majority of Amish agree that technology has benefits, but for their daily life and work it is better to not use it unless they can build it/understand it themselves.
2 weekends ago I built a Athlon XP 1800+ with 256MB RAM, 20GB hard drive, shitty onboard video (but add $75 for comporable graphics) with the case and it ran an even $257.
You can even buy a Shuttle barebones system for not much more. My XBox that I got last month ran $179.
So why did I get an XBox instead of just building a gaming computer? Because I want to play on my TV, with a nice controller, and have it work without upgrading software on my computer. I'm not a windows person. Windows pisses me off. Linux games suck (AA gets 1/2 the framerate on Linux as it does under Windows, for example.)
And I argue that the variance makes C++ as a whole (not "C++ implementations") crappy.
Name any language that doesn't have variances in it's compilers in some way and you can win this argument. Otherwise you sound like an idiot
That was the same bugfix on multiple platforms (variously C and C++), plus a Win32 asm implementation of memcpy to fix a related multiply defined symbol problem, plus Perl/Python build script fixes on all platforms. If you think that isn't possible in one day, then that says more about your abilities and experience than mine.
So, you don't have any sort of revision control so that you don't have to hop between platforms fixing the same thing? That's odd, my multiplatform code runs from the same codebase and if I fix a bug on one it gets fixed every where.
You may now have the last word, and again explain why you know more than me while apparently being capabable of achieving so much less.
As someone who spends there day chasing the same bugs on multiple platforms, I'll take it as a compliment that you think you achieve more.
As it is, 1/4 or so of the lights require me to twist and hunch down to get a view.
How tall are you? I'm 6'1 and I don't have a problem. I'm in a Lexus SC, nice and low.
Actually, driving is a right. As is everything not explicitly taken away from the people in the constitution. Basic Constitutional law. (sorry, but I've been in an arguementitive mood all day...)
If driving was a right, you wouldn't need to take a test and get a license to do it.
Of course, considering Portland unemployment is like 9.6%, simply working downtown (legit, not selling the dope) means you're a sharp tack.
It just provides plenty of people to protest Vera Katz.
Oh, and you get to fight bridge traffic.
205 is never very bad, and I hop off on Sandy and take that downtown. Takes me 20 minutes, which was less than what I was driving while living in Tigard.
I still drive, of course, because I'm a lazy American, but the point is that I could walk if I wanted to.
As long as you realize:) I park a mile away from the building, because it's free parking and walk in when I don't get a ride.
The average minivan weighs about as much as a Grand Cherokee (~4000lbs). So I can't take my wife and four kids to work and school, just so fatality statistics are on your side?
They're around 4,000 - close enough (Honda Oddysey comes in at ~4300, Grand Cherokee is ~4200). I'm mostly talking about cars that are obscenely too large. Excursion, Expidition, Suburban, H2, etc.
So I can't take my wife and four kids to work and school, just so fatality statistics are on your side?
I would also support a year long, very expensive driving school (several times a week, running $500/mo) to be able to drive. Driving is not a right. People treat it as it is. Driving in the US is like running with scissors throw a crowded theater yelling fire.
Way to go, Oregon! Penalize good gas mileage and reward bad -- that's really in the public interest!
This is a great example of my whole opinion on Oregon. I live in Portland, and a lot of people assume Oregonians are in touch with the environment and tree hugging hippies, and what not.
That is like 15% of the population here, except they act like they are 95% fo the population. I think in reality, the majority of Oregonians shit on the environment more than Californians do.
6,000 pounds? That's light for an SUV. Ford Excursion 4x4 weighs in at 7,000lbs.
I personally wish they banned any vehicle over 4,000lbs from travelling on freeways between 6am-9am, and 3pm-6pm. SUVs aren't commuter vehicles. I would prefer to not get hit by another one, if it's all the same.
You have obviously never been in an accident in a mid or full sized Japanese sedan. I don't trust American (or German) cares, purely for that reason. This is first hand experience, too.
There are plenty of full-size Japanese sedans. They just go by the name of "Lexus", "Infiniti" and "Acura" instead of the (respective) "Toyota", "Nissan", "Honda" names that are in Japan.
My Japanese car is wider, and longer than most. So take that penis extensions!
as for Chrysler, I don't trust them on anything above the cloud cars (Stratus and Sebring).
Find out how many of their chassis are built on German designs:)
The exclusive license to authorize copies lies with the copyright holder.
You are stealing the exclusivity of the license to distribute. As in, you are removing (permanently) the ability to moderate distribution of copyrighted material from the copyright holder.
Hypothetical situation: You write a blisteringly genius hypothesis on a math formula that consists of 25 characters. I watch over your shoulder, and hire a girl to come over to distract you so I can take the math formula.
I take the math formula -- did I steal anything?
(There is an actual reason for this, so please humor me if you actually want to fully understand my stance. If not, lets just agree to disagree that stealing the exclusive license to distribute can in fact happen.)
You clearly do not understand this at all, so I will stop wasting my time on trying to educate ignorant individuals such as yourself, who continue to spew out their misguided drivel.
Sorry, I'm spewing things called "facts" -- and if you think someone who is working very intricately with exim and courier on a regular basis is ignorant, I would suggest you grab a dictionary.
I tried to explain to you that filtering is simply not an option to many, because they have to be absolutely sure that no mail is trashed without being verified as spam. Your inability to understand this simple issue shows me that you are not ready for a continued debate about spam.
So you picked one of the three options I presented, and harped on that because you couldn't argue with the other two.
You do remember the other two, right? Whitelists and blacklists. They work really well, especially whitelists. And you can do challenge-response whitelists which is even simpler.
I guess it's easier to pretend that you are winning the argument than to actually listen to the other person.
Come back when you have educated yourself.
Translation: I don't know shit about actually setting up a real SMTP server, but I know I hear people complaining about false-positives doing filtering.
BTW -- you can do bayesian filtering that has less than one percent false-positive rates after downloading spampacks and having it train. I'm sure you knew that though, because you are so educated and informed.
Namely that you're defending the original accusation - about the crappiness of C++ implementations needing moc to fix them - by explaining why moc can fix them. Well, duh.
I'm not complaning about the crappiness of C++ implementations -- I'm talking about the variances of C++ implementations. And yes, some of them are crappy. This is why you are illiterate.
Sure, because there's no technology out there that's already being used by Sony, Panasonic, NTT DoCoMo, and Samsung, plus a bunch of unannounced others. No sirree, you've caught me out all right. Heh, you're cute.
I'm saying that if you used all of those by the time you posted here, you haven't spent enough time to actually do anything productive. Opening a window with code doesn't count as "working with it"
Next time don't say, "So far today I've worked..." unless it's actually reasonable. Besides, if you are working with Symbian why are you dealing with assembly? And unless you are working with firmware, you are bullshitting about assembly. Since you are working with Symbian, I seriously doubt that you are working with firmware. Or visa versa.
All I'm saying is that while you may work on those platforms on a regular or irregular basis, saying "so far today I've worked on..." is just bullshit, or you don't understand what "work" actually is.
BTW, an "artifact" is just something created that exists-- it doesn't imply great value, if that's what you're thinking. Priceless ancient atrifacts are priceless because they're ancient. The term has become somewhat skewed in many people's minds, it seems.
I was being facetious.
One cannot possess a story, a song, or other such intangible creation. One can, however possess the copyright to said works. It is copyright law that allows such intangibles to enter the market as if they were property, by giving the creator exclusive license to grant license to copy them. It is, in fact, the license which has the status of property, not the work itself.
Distributing copyrighted material is stealing the license to do so. So, in a meta sense, you are stealing.
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And I hate it when people compare Linux with XFree.
And I hate it when people compare a particular X11 server with the X11 protocol.
You didn't make any point, dude.
Exactly, and you chose to argue these non-existent points.
You only asked me if if a bizarre contrived situation would be stealing.
No, not really. I asked, "What did I steal?" and you just completely missed it.
I replied that not only would it not be stealing, but wherever you were going with the straw-man argument was totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.
This is exactly what I was talking about. There was a point to it, but you couldn't see it. Nor do you see it now. You just want to argue that it's irrelevant without actually understanding the point.
The problem is you are presenting a premise without your argument and complaining when I reject the premise without waiting for the argument!
Uh, so then you acknowledge that I wasn't actually trying to make a point at the time. But you were arguing (and not even answering a simple question, really) about the point to be made without knowing what it was that I was actually going to say.
Damn, life must be rough for you.. being telepathic and all.
Cripes man, I went as far as I could. A math formula can't be owned, thus can't be stolen. But OK, good day to you as well.
Here's the thing, you wouldn't listen to any points that I made because you are so busy arging points that I haven't even made (nor was going to make.)
In other words, you aren't listen to anything I'm saying.
Thus, arguing or debating anything is comporable to presenting points directly to an inanimate object. Like a basketball.
I'm not very good at basketball, so I choose not to play.
And the state is bound by the Federal Constitution, so what rights the Con doesn't grant to the Fed, or the individual states, cannot be taken from the final recipiant - the People. That's us, of course. Basically, except where it explicitly says so, all rights end up being derived from the classic quote 'Your right to swing your fist ends at my face'. Or even 'Do as thou wilt but harm none' (though that's a bit strong because of the implied emotional aspect...)
:)
There is a right to travel unrestricted. There is no such thing as a right to drive on public roads. Those roads are created by the people, and unfortunately, most of the people who drive are horribly stupid behind a wheel and tend to think that's just the way it goes.
I do not believe in any right that states a person can travel in a 6,000lbs steel cage at 65mph by themselves. That is a privledge granted by the municipal group known as the DMV. It just so happens that a chimpanzee with cerebral palsy can be granted that privledge.
I'm 6 foot 5, and mostly torso. I have 1/3 inch of clearance to the roof of my Ram (I know this because I can't wear a baseball cap, and the button plus material is 1/3 inch (or close enough for me, anyway, it's not like I took verniers to it). My primary viewing area passes through the edge of the tint band on the top of the windshield.
Ouch, that has to suck. I feel for you. I'm that way with a lot of the smaller economy cars. If I have to drive one I just do the gansta lean with the seat back laying down
It's not a phobia of technology, it's independance from technology. The majority of Amish agree that technology has benefits, but for their daily life and work it is better to not use it unless they can build it/understand it themselves.
Your hypothetical situation is ridiculous and totally inapplicable.
Simply because you were too quick to even bother to spend a few minutes going down that logical path.
Good day to you and your closed mind.
long live the ybox
I think the XX-Box is a lot more fun to play with.
(sorry)
2 weekends ago I built a Athlon XP 1800+ with 256MB RAM, 20GB hard drive, shitty onboard video (but add $75 for comporable graphics) with the case and it ran an even $257.
You can even buy a Shuttle barebones system for not much more. My XBox that I got last month ran $179.
So why did I get an XBox instead of just building a gaming computer? Because I want to play on my TV, with a nice controller, and have it work without upgrading software on my computer. I'm not a windows person. Windows pisses me off. Linux games suck (AA gets 1/2 the framerate on Linux as it does under Windows, for example.)
And I argue that the variance makes C++ as a whole (not "C++ implementations") crappy.
Name any language that doesn't have variances in it's compilers in some way and you can win this argument. Otherwise you sound like an idiot
That was the same bugfix on multiple platforms (variously C and C++), plus a Win32 asm implementation of memcpy to fix a related multiply defined symbol problem, plus Perl/Python build script fixes on all platforms. If you think that isn't possible in one day, then that says more about your abilities and experience than mine.
So, you don't have any sort of revision control so that you don't have to hop between platforms fixing the same thing? That's odd, my multiplatform code runs from the same codebase and if I fix a bug on one it gets fixed every where.
You may now have the last word, and again explain why you know more than me while apparently being capabable of achieving so much less.
As someone who spends there day chasing the same bugs on multiple platforms, I'll take it as a compliment that you think you achieve more.
As it is, 1/4 or so of the lights require me to twist and hunch down to get a view.
How tall are you? I'm 6'1 and I don't have a problem. I'm in a Lexus SC, nice and low.
Actually, driving is a right. As is everything not explicitly taken away from the people in the constitution. Basic Constitutional law. (sorry, but I've been in an arguementitive mood all day...)
If driving was a right, you wouldn't need to take a test and get a license to do it.
Of course, considering Portland unemployment is like 9.6%, simply working downtown (legit, not selling the dope) means you're a sharp tack.
:) I park a mile away from the building, because it's free parking and walk in when I don't get a ride.
It just provides plenty of people to protest Vera Katz.
Oh, and you get to fight bridge traffic.
205 is never very bad, and I hop off on Sandy and take that downtown. Takes me 20 minutes, which was less than what I was driving while living in Tigard.
I still drive, of course, because I'm a lazy American, but the point is that I could walk if I wanted to.
As long as you realize
or hug trees (at least here in Vancouver).
I just moved to Vancouver, actually. Still work in downtown though.
Some good history.
The average minivan weighs about as much as a Grand Cherokee (~4000lbs). So I can't take my wife and four kids to work and school, just so fatality statistics are on your side?
They're around 4,000 - close enough (Honda Oddysey comes in at ~4300, Grand Cherokee is ~4200). I'm mostly talking about cars that are obscenely too large. Excursion, Expidition, Suburban, H2, etc.
So I can't take my wife and four kids to work and school, just so fatality statistics are on your side?
I would also support a year long, very expensive driving school (several times a week, running $500/mo) to be able to drive. Driving is not a right. People treat it as it is. Driving in the US is like running with scissors throw a crowded theater yelling fire.
Where am I supposed to shit? If I can't shit on my environment (well, more properly, IN my environment), what am I supposed to do with my poop?
Washington.
No taxicabs, cops or car services then. Or didja forget that many midsize (and up) cars tip the scales at 2 tons or more?
Crown Victoria is shy of 4,000, which is the biggest of the police line.
Somehow I don't think you know how much most cars weigh...
Of course, one reason I like it is because of the SOLID STEEL FRAME. It's not an SUV, but it won't crumple like a new car...
You realize that crumple zones are a whole lot safer than a solid steel frame? I trust my new Japanese cars more than any old car around.
Way to go, Oregon! Penalize good gas mileage and reward bad -- that's really in the public interest!
This is a great example of my whole opinion on Oregon. I live in Portland, and a lot of people assume Oregonians are in touch with the environment and tree hugging hippies, and what not.
That is like 15% of the population here, except they act like they are 95% fo the population. I think in reality, the majority of Oregonians shit on the environment more than Californians do.
6,000 pounds? That's light for an SUV. Ford Excursion 4x4 weighs in at 7,000lbs.
I personally wish they banned any vehicle over 4,000lbs from travelling on freeways between 6am-9am, and 3pm-6pm. SUVs aren't commuter vehicles. I would prefer to not get hit by another one, if it's all the same.
You have obviously never been in an accident in a mid or full sized Japanese sedan. I don't trust American (or German) cares, purely for that reason. This is first hand experience, too.
:)
There are plenty of full-size Japanese sedans. They just go by the name of "Lexus", "Infiniti" and "Acura" instead of the (respective) "Toyota", "Nissan", "Honda" names that are in Japan.
My Japanese car is wider, and longer than most. So take that penis extensions!
as for Chrysler, I don't trust them on anything above the cloud cars (Stratus and Sebring).
Find out how many of their chassis are built on German designs
All people see in 2D, at least the ones I know. Most that I've met even think in 2D.
You seriously need to stop looking at the computer screen so much.
The exclusive license to authorize copies lies with the copyright holder.
You are stealing the exclusivity of the license to distribute. As in, you are removing (permanently) the ability to moderate distribution of copyrighted material from the copyright holder.
Hypothetical situation: You write a blisteringly genius hypothesis on a math formula that consists of 25 characters. I watch over your shoulder, and hire a girl to come over to distract you so I can take the math formula.
I take the math formula -- did I steal anything?
(There is an actual reason for this, so please humor me if you actually want to fully understand my stance. If not, lets just agree to disagree that stealing the exclusive license to distribute can in fact happen.)
You clearly do not understand this at all, so I will stop wasting my time on trying to educate ignorant individuals such as yourself, who continue to spew out their misguided drivel.
Sorry, I'm spewing things called "facts" -- and if you think someone who is working very intricately with exim and courier on a regular basis is ignorant, I would suggest you grab a dictionary.
I tried to explain to you that filtering is simply not an option to many, because they have to be absolutely sure that no mail is trashed without being verified as spam. Your inability to understand this simple issue shows me that you are not ready for a continued debate about spam.
So you picked one of the three options I presented, and harped on that because you couldn't argue with the other two.
You do remember the other two, right? Whitelists and blacklists. They work really well, especially whitelists. And you can do challenge-response whitelists which is even simpler.
I guess it's easier to pretend that you are winning the argument than to actually listen to the other person.
Come back when you have educated yourself.
Translation: I don't know shit about actually setting up a real SMTP server, but I know I hear people complaining about false-positives doing filtering.
BTW -- you can do bayesian filtering that has less than one percent false-positive rates after downloading spampacks and having it train. I'm sure you knew that though, because you are so educated and informed.
Namely that you're defending the original accusation - about the crappiness of C++ implementations needing moc to fix them - by explaining why moc can fix them. Well, duh.
I'm not complaning about the crappiness of C++ implementations -- I'm talking about the variances of C++ implementations. And yes, some of them are crappy. This is why you are illiterate.
Sure, because there's no technology out there that's already being used by Sony, Panasonic, NTT DoCoMo, and Samsung, plus a bunch of unannounced others. No sirree, you've caught me out all right. Heh, you're cute.
I'm saying that if you used all of those by the time you posted here, you haven't spent enough time to actually do anything productive. Opening a window with code doesn't count as "working with it"
Next time don't say, "So far today I've worked..." unless it's actually reasonable. Besides, if you are working with Symbian why are you dealing with assembly? And unless you are working with firmware, you are bullshitting about assembly. Since you are working with Symbian, I seriously doubt that you are working with firmware. Or visa versa.
All I'm saying is that while you may work on those platforms on a regular or irregular basis, saying "so far today I've worked on..." is just bullshit, or you don't understand what "work" actually is.
BTW, an "artifact" is just something created that exists-- it doesn't imply great value, if that's what you're thinking. Priceless ancient atrifacts are priceless because they're ancient. The term has become somewhat skewed in many people's minds, it seems.
I was being facetious.
One cannot possess a story, a song, or other such intangible creation. One can, however possess the copyright to said works. It is copyright law that allows such intangibles to enter the market as if they were property, by giving the creator exclusive license to grant license to copy them. It is, in fact, the license which has the status of property, not the work itself.
Distributing copyrighted material is stealing the license to do so. So, in a meta sense, you are stealing.
Oh, that's it: metatheft!