No they aren't, not even close, not remotely. For example, a single human being is rarely capable of thoroughly understanding the implementation of a single non-trivial application. There is just no comparison. Even if you talk about modern cars, many of which have embedded systems, these are often specialized systems running very particular narrowly defined programs.
Spoken by a person who doesn't understand cars. If you honestly think a computer is more complex than a car, you need to go pick up some books. If you compare a consumer based car and a computer, you will quickly see which is more complex.
Here's an exercise: Take all of the base components out of a computer and learn what each one is. That should take you about an hour, maybe two.
Take each of the base components out of a car, and learn what each one is. That should take you a couple of weeks. Especially to put it back together.
That's not really the point, but the point is that cars do work. That is why there are lemon laws. 3 drive-train problems entitles you to a refund of your money. Three system crashes entitles you to getting fucked by customer service with a computer. It doesn't matter how much data you lose, it's you who loses.
Cars have more components, just as finely tuned electronic equipment, and are more stable than any computer system. You know why? They aren't trying to do ground-breaking research every year. They don't buy into the Murphy Law bullshit.
Lets have predictive processors that detect when bad code is coming in and counter for it. That's innovation. Increasing your clock cycles, and eye candy in an operating system just makes it harder to see what true innovation is.
I tend to agree with you, and am largely surprised that you don't have a dozen flames already for what you wrote. I'm not sure why people are entitled to free meals and shelter, and don't have to give anything up for it. It seems a reasonable trade-off.
I think it's somewhere around 30%, but maybe more, of all homeless people are mentally ill. That's 70% who are pissed off, and fallen out of society. If they choose to not accept free care on the condition of tracking, that is their compotent choice.
If they don't like it, they're welcome to rebuild their lives. And yes, it is possible to go from homeless to successful.
I don't know about you but I have seen many cars that needed rebooting. Ever seen someone pushstart a car because it just died on them.
Cars don't "just die" -- there is always a sound reason for why it died. Windows (and sometimes Linux, and any other computers) just die. Period. No reason, they just crash.
What about the car that needs the timing readjusted so that it doesn't choke itself and turn off, they need restarting, too.
Comparing timing belt adjustments isn't really valid. If you don't know how to adjust a timing belt yourself, buy a new car or hire a mechanic because everything needs maintenance. Automating maintenance is the key, though.
I'll grant you the part about the groceries, though, that is something that I have never seen.
Cars do a lot less than computers, you can do just about anything with a computer while a car has a single specific use.
Really? For whom? Not for the average individual. Saying that a car has a single purpose is much like saying a computer has a single purpose. If a computer can do anything, than why do we need so many other things except for a computer? Computers for the masses are for checking email, surfing the internet, and working in office. Cars are much more important, and do much more for them. Cars are much more complex, both mechanically and technologically speaking. Cars still just work. You don't have to reboot a car, and it doesn't delete your groceries when it crashes either.
Eventually computers will get to a point where 99% of things 'just work' but computers have had a lot less time to mature than cars have.
Computers have been around since 1945. Cars started in the late 1800's (1886, iirc). So that is a 60 year deficit. A 1940s car was still much more stable and easy to operate than your consumer based car.
That's perfectly fine, infact it's a good business for a lot of people. But the problem is that the people who aren't interested only call for help when something's broken, in the case of this worm a lot of people don't even know they have a problem. Paying someone periodically for general maintenance isn't something people want to do.
This is why a self-patching computer is a good thing! Lets look at the outcomes of a self-patching computer vs. a non-patching computer: Virus/Worm released: Kills non-patched computer. Patched computer works fine. Bad Patch released: Maybe kills patched computer, but will probably be able to be fixed easily soon. Non-patched computer sits there waiting to be exploited.
Why is there an issue with self-patching computers? For home users, this is a great idea.
If the file format contained Digital Restrictions Management, and the open source converters removed it, then it would be illegal. MS knows this, so the next version of Word will have DRM in its file format.
Resistance from arrogant fucks like you has been holding this back, and Microsoft is finally making a bold move in the right direction.
Thank you for pointing this out. People don't want to know how the computer works, they just want it to work. I want to write an email, push the email button on my keyboard and click send. That's how a car works. 2% of the American population could actually fix anything that goes wrong with their car, why expect it to be different?
It's because of the computer elitist group (Hi Slashdot!) that computers "scare" people. They aren't interested, and would rather just have someone who is interested fix their problems. There is nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't make them stupid.
(On a side note, there are a lot of stupid people, like those who use white-out on the screen, etc.)
One person hurting another isn't funny no matter the person, setting, gender, age or ethnic group.
That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
What it comes down to is that we are all human, and that none deserves to be senselessly hurt.
Really? What page is that on in the Book of Life?
Life isn't fair. Life is funny. You can joke about anything, it's just the delivery that matters. The joke that started this whole thing was funny, unless it's you.
In case you hadn't noticed church and state ARE separated in the US and quite explicitly. Care to provide any examples where this is not the case in the US?
Yes, and in the end, there is a good chance this will be an option for Enlightenment. Raster has been hard at work on an image layout/animation engine for theming borders and backgrounds, and I would be willing to bet once the OpenGL evas backend is in place, there will be an option to use it for animated backgrounds. Borders will most likely be software only until a hardware solution is found that provides increased performance for small drawing areas.
What I was thinking (and the reason for the question) is having a GL area in the background that draws the borders overlaid. It breaks when you have overlapping windows, but I was trying to think of ways around that. For non-stackable views that would definitely be a cool way to render the scene.
One solution to that is capturing the output of a window to a buffer, and then just texturing it until it gets focus, which would only work if you raised the window to the foreground on focus. Limiting, but it's just some bizarre ideas I'm kicking around.
Things you guys have probably already thrown out:)
You seem to be in the know, so I'll ask my offtopic question to you, hope you don't mind. Is it possible to run an OpenGL screen in the background (root window) and then have X windows on top of it? I mean, "Run smoothly on decent (not modern) hardware?"
Sure, you can spend either $350k on employees to work your system or tech support.
Capitalized versus personnel expenses are completely different. The thing is not just 2x the employees salary, it also requires space and management. If you have support, you have guaranteed support that you don't have from employees. There are a lot of differences between contracting out support and providing it internally.
Somewhere, someone is getting paid to answer your questions.
And it makes money because it's not just your questions answered. It's yours and several other companies.
This is what annoys me. All this BS and blame game crap in the time of a crisis.
You never blame someone else? Especially if you think it's their problem?
Blame the media, not the people at hand. Both sides probably have ample reason to believe the other is at fault. In reality, it was probably a joint fault.
I am sick of the NYC bias we see in the media. Self-importance is so passe. Please make this story go away, I give CNN and Fox News a big "OFFTOPIC" (To their credit, Fox is now reporting the story that some terrorist mastermind yadda yadda yadda has been capture).
Sorry, this is national news. The Nevada power outtage was national news. And CNN has been reporting the Al Qaeda capture for several hours.
The country is us, its the people. Not the land, not the technology, the people.
You are right, sort of. It is "the people" but figure out what that means. That means your grandparents, your grandchildren (hoping you never have any, anyway.)
So I dont understand what exactly you are trying to say, its not registering.
Why does that not surprise me?
The country is made up of people, and the people arent telling me to go to hell, you are.
Do you actually read all the responses to your comments telling you that you are being an idiot? You just conveniently ignore the fact that you are well-known as one of the biggest idiots that posts on here, don't you?
You dont like it? Stop reading my posts, you dont have to like me.
I just enjoy watching you make yourself seem more and more stupid for others to watch. Keep it up!
The Government exists to protect US, this is their primary focus, when something goes wrong its their job to fix it, and tell us what went wrong.
Wow. I think I found the root of all your problems. Whoever told you this lied to you. The government is not there to protect you, me, us, or anybody. The government is there to protect the country, and the longevity of the country. You are merely a byproduct of that goal.
I have every right to ask questions, its my country.
And the country and government both have every right to tell you to go to hell.
We pay the governments salary, how can you say the people arent important?
Power companies are government regulated corporations. Remember Enron? Are you 12? Do you have any concept on how regulated utility commissions work?
Besides, you don't matter. You could disappear of the face of the earth, and nobody will miss your tax dollars. So don't play the "I pay government salaries." I'll mail you back your fucking quarter.
This isnt a murder case, I'm not asking for forensics, I'm asking to know what happened.
So... everybody is telling you what happened but that isn't good enough? You do know the definition of insanity, right?
And no, I'm trying to get quicker results because the news isnt saying shit. I'm hoping the local engineer on slashdot can explain.
Yes, I'm so sure that someone who actually is involved with the power plant process has the time to post to Slashdot right now. My best guess is they are just a touch too busy to worry about your dumbass curiosity.
Unless you are forensics, you never see the evidence. Demanding to see the evidence doesn't matter, because you are not important.
Anyone can come and say "Well we have the evidence but you cannot see it"
Anyone can say, "Here's some evidence." It doesn't mean that it's factually true unless you investigate it yourself. Have I lost you yet?
If you think this is a serious issue you want to know what happened and why.
I do know what happened. A blackout occured due to power-grid overload. The power-grid overloaded due to too much strain or hardware failure, which will be determined after the investigation finishe. At that point, you will be informed via news outlets.
Why is that so hard to understand? Do you really get better results by jumping on a soap box and sounding like an under-ecudated loon?
I'd like to see it. I dont want to hear government people telling me stuff, show me the evidence, tell us wtf just happened. Then people wont ask if its a terrorist attack.
Sure, just go down there. Hopefully you'll get shot and then we don't have to read your idiotic posts anymore.
In case you missed it, sparky, they did say. "Natural system overload." You know... like too many people using too much power. It's overloads the system.
Well, the NYSE has tons of backup generators. A friend of mine just sent an email from the floor, and she reports that at least the AC and computers are working.
We know you are lying. Slashdotters don't know any girls.
I want the justification that I or any other person should pay for YOUR wheel chair, let alone one of these damn over expensive machines destined only to be viable businesswise at the expense of tax payers.
Her'es your justification: If anything happens to you, you get money to. Social Security, that's what it's there for.
Put yourself in a similar situation, wouldn't you like to have aid because you can't pay for it? Do you have any idea what actually goes into making a motorized wheelchair? Go down to an electronics store, and just start pricing out the controllers and motors, then stabilization, and design. Then try to make something that is comfortable enough to sit in for say, your entire fucking life.
The innovation is a great thing, its just that the "entitlement" process is so over blown in this country that I know I will be paying for many of these things, even though I have no use for one, and there is little or no justification for others to have one; especially when good old fashioned chairs work fine.
Hey sparky, unless you are making a six figure salary, your taxes barely cover your living expenses. Thank the rich folks for his wheel chair, otherwise you are just taking credit for what other people do. Ironically, that's what you are blaming him for.
Your a great example, oh your burden is so hard, having to go through that long drawn out process to take my money. So much easier than saving the money and paying for it yourself.
I'll tell you what. Let me break your break so that you have similar mobility to him, and then I'll see if you can make $15K on your own in 5 years. If you can, I'll give you $15K. Sound like a deal?
I'm a bit of a comedian too, It was a handy tool to poke fun of your disability during highschool, thus disarming any one who would think they where the first in teasing you about it.
It's good you can do that. I had a friend I used to work with that was hit by a car and broke his back. He then got hit 2 years later, in his wheel chair, and broke his back again. After the second reconstruction surgery, he actually had increased mobility. He could walk around for limited times, albeit very slowly.
He came over to my apartment, and was using his walker, so when he got up stairs I immediately offered him a seat. His response, "No thanks, I've been sitting all day."
Keep the humor up (I'm guessing from the thread you are in your early twenties) and keep running with it.
Why is it that when it comes to OS, everyone is bitching and screaming how bad monoculture created by Microsoft Windows is, but otherwise feeling warm and fuzzy and swear to god Google is and always be the only search engine they use?
Simple. Google works, and works reliably. Even works great in several languages (English, Spanish, Japanese, that's all I've tested.)
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No they aren't, not even close, not remotely. For example, a single human being is rarely capable of thoroughly understanding the implementation of a single non-trivial application. There is just no comparison. Even if you talk about modern cars, many of which have embedded systems, these are often specialized systems running very particular narrowly defined programs.
Spoken by a person who doesn't understand cars. If you honestly think a computer is more complex than a car, you need to go pick up some books. If you compare a consumer based car and a computer, you will quickly see which is more complex.
Here's an exercise: Take all of the base components out of a computer and learn what each one is. That should take you about an hour, maybe two.
Take each of the base components out of a car, and learn what each one is. That should take you a couple of weeks. Especially to put it back together.
That's not really the point, but the point is that cars do work. That is why there are lemon laws. 3 drive-train problems entitles you to a refund of your money. Three system crashes entitles you to getting fucked by customer service with a computer. It doesn't matter how much data you lose, it's you who loses.
Cars have more components, just as finely tuned electronic equipment, and are more stable than any computer system. You know why? They aren't trying to do ground-breaking research every year. They don't buy into the Murphy Law bullshit.
Lets have predictive processors that detect when bad code is coming in and counter for it. That's innovation. Increasing your clock cycles, and eye candy in an operating system just makes it harder to see what true innovation is.
I tend to agree with you, and am largely surprised that you don't have a dozen flames already for what you wrote. I'm not sure why people are entitled to free meals and shelter, and don't have to give anything up for it. It seems a reasonable trade-off.
I think it's somewhere around 30%, but maybe more, of all homeless people are mentally ill. That's 70% who are pissed off, and fallen out of society. If they choose to not accept free care on the condition of tracking, that is their compotent choice.
If they don't like it, they're welcome to rebuild their lives. And yes, it is possible to go from homeless to successful.
I don't know about you but I have seen many cars that needed rebooting. Ever seen someone pushstart a car because it just died on them.
:)
Cars don't "just die" -- there is always a sound reason for why it died. Windows (and sometimes Linux, and any other computers) just die. Period. No reason, they just crash.
What about the car that needs the timing readjusted so that it doesn't choke itself and turn off, they need restarting, too.
Comparing timing belt adjustments isn't really valid. If you don't know how to adjust a timing belt yourself, buy a new car or hire a mechanic because everything needs maintenance. Automating maintenance is the key, though.
I'll grant you the part about the groceries, though, that is something that I have never seen.
Which doesn't mean it can't happen
Cars do a lot less than computers, you can do just about anything with a computer while a car has a single specific use.
Really? For whom? Not for the average individual. Saying that a car has a single purpose is much like saying a computer has a single purpose. If a computer can do anything, than why do we need so many other things except for a computer? Computers for the masses are for checking email, surfing the internet, and working in office. Cars are much more important, and do much more for them. Cars are much more complex, both mechanically and technologically speaking. Cars still just work. You don't have to reboot a car, and it doesn't delete your groceries when it crashes either.
Eventually computers will get to a point where 99% of things 'just work' but computers have had a lot less time to mature than cars have.
Computers have been around since 1945. Cars started in the late 1800's (1886, iirc). So that is a 60 year deficit. A 1940s car was still much more stable and easy to operate than your consumer based car.
That's perfectly fine, infact it's a good business for a lot of people. But the problem is that the people who aren't interested only call for help when something's broken, in the case of this worm a lot of people don't even know they have a problem. Paying someone periodically for general maintenance isn't something people want to do.
This is why a self-patching computer is a good thing! Lets look at the outcomes of a self-patching computer vs. a non-patching computer:
Virus/Worm released: Kills non-patched computer. Patched computer works fine.
Bad Patch released: Maybe kills patched computer, but will probably be able to be fixed easily soon. Non-patched computer sits there waiting to be exploited.
Why is there an issue with self-patching computers? For home users, this is a great idea.
If the file format contained Digital Restrictions Management, and the open source converters removed it, then it would be illegal. MS knows this, so the next version of Word will have DRM in its file format.
Please see interoperability. Thank you.
Resistance from arrogant fucks like you has been holding this back, and Microsoft is finally making a bold move in the right direction.
Thank you for pointing this out. People don't want to know how the computer works, they just want it to work. I want to write an email, push the email button on my keyboard and click send. That's how a car works. 2% of the American population could actually fix anything that goes wrong with their car, why expect it to be different?
It's because of the computer elitist group (Hi Slashdot!) that computers "scare" people. They aren't interested, and would rather just have someone who is interested fix their problems. There is nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't make them stupid.
(On a side note, there are a lot of stupid people, like those who use white-out on the screen, etc.)
One person hurting another isn't funny no matter the person, setting, gender, age or ethnic group.
That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
What it comes down to is that we are all human, and that none deserves to be senselessly hurt.
Really? What page is that on in the Book of Life?
Life isn't fair. Life is funny. You can joke about anything, it's just the delivery that matters. The joke that started this whole thing was funny, unless it's you.
Joking about prison rape is the same as joking about some woman being raped on the street. Period. That is all.
No, it's not the same. It's joking about a man raping another man. In prison. Not a man raping a woman on a street. See how that's different?
And it is funny. You just need to listen to George Carlin more.
So, in essence, you are saying that you, for one, welcome your new anti-virus worm overlords, then?
In case you hadn't noticed church and state ARE separated in the US and quite explicitly. Care to provide any examples where this is not the case in the US?
Sure thing.
Yes, and in the end, there is a good chance this will be an option for Enlightenment. Raster has been hard at work on an image layout/animation engine for theming borders and backgrounds, and I would be willing to bet once the OpenGL evas backend is in place, there will be an option to use it for animated backgrounds. Borders will most likely be software only until a hardware solution is found that provides increased performance for small drawing areas.
:)
What I was thinking (and the reason for the question) is having a GL area in the background that draws the borders overlaid. It breaks when you have overlapping windows, but I was trying to think of ways around that. For non-stackable views that would definitely be a cool way to render the scene.
One solution to that is capturing the output of a window to a buffer, and then just texturing it until it gets focus, which would only work if you raised the window to the foreground on focus. Limiting, but it's just some bizarre ideas I'm kicking around.
Things you guys have probably already thrown out
Dumbass, he was quoting Rasterman in a previous Slashdot story. He wasn't saying that.
You seem to be in the know, so I'll ask my offtopic question to you, hope you don't mind. Is it possible to run an OpenGL screen in the background (root window) and then have X windows on top of it? I mean, "Run smoothly on decent (not modern) hardware?"
Sure, you can spend either $350k on employees to work your system or tech support.
Capitalized versus personnel expenses are completely different. The thing is not just 2x the employees salary, it also requires space and management. If you have support, you have guaranteed support that you don't have from employees. There are a lot of differences between contracting out support and providing it internally.
Somewhere, someone is getting paid to answer your questions.
And it makes money because it's not just your questions answered. It's yours and several other companies.
This is what annoys me.
All this BS and blame game crap in the time of a crisis.
You never blame someone else? Especially if you think it's their problem?
Blame the media, not the people at hand. Both sides probably have ample reason to believe the other is at fault. In reality, it was probably a joint fault.
I guarantee you that if a power outage happened anywhere OTHER than New York City, the mass media outlets would barely be covering this event at ALL.
Like the Nevada power outage?
I am sick of the NYC bias we see in the media. Self-importance is so passe. Please make this story go away, I give CNN and Fox News a big "OFFTOPIC" (To their credit, Fox is now reporting the story that some terrorist mastermind yadda yadda yadda has been capture).
Sorry, this is national news. The Nevada power outtage was national news. And CNN has been reporting the Al Qaeda capture for several hours.
The country is us, its the people. Not the land, not the technology, the people.
You are right, sort of. It is "the people" but figure out what that means. That means your grandparents, your grandchildren (hoping you never have any, anyway.)
So I dont understand what exactly you are trying to say, its not registering.
Why does that not surprise me?
The country is made up of people, and the people arent telling me to go to hell, you are.
Do you actually read all the responses to your comments telling you that you are being an idiot? You just conveniently ignore the fact that you are well-known as one of the biggest idiots that posts on here, don't you?
You dont like it? Stop reading my posts, you dont have to like me.
I just enjoy watching you make yourself seem more and more stupid for others to watch. Keep it up!
The Government exists to protect US, this is their primary focus, when something goes wrong its their job to fix it, and tell us what went wrong.
Wow. I think I found the root of all your problems. Whoever told you this lied to you. The government is not there to protect you, me, us, or anybody. The government is there to protect the country, and the longevity of the country. You are merely a byproduct of that goal.
I have every right to ask questions, its my country.
And the country and government both have every right to tell you to go to hell.
We pay the governments salary, how can you say the people arent important?
Power companies are government regulated corporations. Remember Enron? Are you 12? Do you have any concept on how regulated utility commissions work?
Besides, you don't matter. You could disappear of the face of the earth, and nobody will miss your tax dollars. So don't play the "I pay government salaries." I'll mail you back your fucking quarter.
This isnt a murder case, I'm not asking for forensics, I'm asking to know what happened.
So... everybody is telling you what happened but that isn't good enough? You do know the definition of insanity, right?
And no, I'm trying to get quicker results because the news isnt saying shit. I'm hoping the local engineer on slashdot can explain.
Yes, I'm so sure that someone who actually is involved with the power plant process has the time to post to Slashdot right now. My best guess is they are just a touch too busy to worry about your dumbass curiosity.
How is it idiotic to want to SEE the evidence?
Unless you are forensics, you never see the evidence. Demanding to see the evidence doesn't matter, because you are not important.
Anyone can come and say "Well we have the evidence but you cannot see it"
Anyone can say, "Here's some evidence." It doesn't mean that it's factually true unless you investigate it yourself. Have I lost you yet?
If you think this is a serious issue you want to know what happened and why.
I do know what happened. A blackout occured due to power-grid overload. The power-grid overloaded due to too much strain or hardware failure, which will be determined after the investigation finishe. At that point, you will be informed via news outlets.
Why is that so hard to understand? Do you really get better results by jumping on a soap box and sounding like an under-ecudated loon?
I'd like to see it. I dont want to hear government people telling me stuff, show me the evidence, tell us wtf just happened. Then people wont ask if its a terrorist attack.
Sure, just go down there. Hopefully you'll get shot and then we don't have to read your idiotic posts anymore.
In case you missed it, sparky, they did say. "Natural system overload." You know... like too many people using too much power. It's overloads the system.
Well, the NYSE has tons of backup generators. A friend of mine just sent an email from the floor, and she reports that at least the AC and computers are working.
We know you are lying. Slashdotters don't know any girls.
I want the justification that I or any other person should pay for YOUR wheel chair, let alone one of these damn over expensive machines destined only to be viable businesswise at the expense of tax payers.
Her'es your justification: If anything happens to you, you get money to. Social Security, that's what it's there for.
Put yourself in a similar situation, wouldn't you like to have aid because you can't pay for it? Do you have any idea what actually goes into making a motorized wheelchair? Go down to an electronics store, and just start pricing out the controllers and motors, then stabilization, and design. Then try to make something that is comfortable enough to sit in for say, your entire fucking life.
The innovation is a great thing, its just that the "entitlement" process is so over blown in this country that I know I will be paying for many of these things, even though I have no use for one, and there is little or no justification for others to have one; especially when good old fashioned chairs work fine.
Hey sparky, unless you are making a six figure salary, your taxes barely cover your living expenses. Thank the rich folks for his wheel chair, otherwise you are just taking credit for what other people do. Ironically, that's what you are blaming him for.
Your a great example, oh your burden is so hard, having to go through that long drawn out process to take my money. So much easier than saving the money and paying for it yourself.
I'll tell you what. Let me break your break so that you have similar mobility to him, and then I'll see if you can make $15K on your own in 5 years. If you can, I'll give you $15K. Sound like a deal?
I'm a bit of a comedian too, It was a handy tool to poke fun of your disability during highschool, thus disarming any one who would think they where the first in teasing you about it.
It's good you can do that. I had a friend I used to work with that was hit by a car and broke his back. He then got hit 2 years later, in his wheel chair, and broke his back again. After the second reconstruction surgery, he actually had increased mobility. He could walk around for limited times, albeit very slowly.
He came over to my apartment, and was using his walker, so when he got up stairs I immediately offered him a seat. His response, "No thanks, I've been sitting all day."
Keep the humor up (I'm guessing from the thread you are in your early twenties) and keep running with it.
Why is it that when it comes to OS, everyone is bitching and screaming how bad monoculture created by Microsoft Windows is, but otherwise feeling warm and fuzzy and swear to god Google is and always be the only search engine they use?
Simple. Google works, and works reliably. Even works great in several languages (English, Spanish, Japanese, that's all I've tested.)