Don't get me wrong, I still love research for research's sake, but I think that Japan could better spend $50 billion on more advanced urban architecture and transportation.
Why don't you go visit Japan? That way you will have a decent understanding of the way life is both in Tokyo and outside of Tokyo.
What I am saying is that all those reasons are silly and immature criterea to judge a candidate. When you do that you are indeed acting like a 14 year old.
Ok, I think you are misunderstanding my stance. I do not like public figures acting in ways that are stupid. I classify stupid as writing like a chimp. Therefor, this whole thing was a disappointment to me, because she wrote like a chimp.
Just because that doesn't jive with you, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It also doesn't mean that it's stupid. It means that I care about presentation. Presentation, in my opinion, is one of the most important things in life. It's how you get things done. I don't think a governor can do a good job if their presentation sucks.
So far, from everything I've seen, her presentation sucks. Feel free to correct me, but calling my stance "stupid" just enforces that her target audience buys that tripe.
You don't listen to idiots, I don't listen to pompous elitist twits whose ego is only dwarfed by their ignorance. I find it interesting that you dismiss her on the basis of petty grammatical insults, yet offer no intelligent disagreement with any of her positions. It seems that people only fall to this level of pettiness in a debate when they are incapable of forming a real argument.
If you would stop assuming, you would see that I only posted one disagreeance. There are several things in which I think she is absolutely wrong about. Had the discussions gone beyond her feelings of "corporate $$$" than I would be inclined to offer them there.
It's easy for you to think I'm ignorant and pompous, because you disagree with what I say. If you agreed, I would be a "free thinker" and a bunch of other things. Yes, you too are a hypocrite just like everybody else.
It seems that people only fall to this level of pettiness in a debate when they are incapable of forming a real argument.
Or perhaps it's people who are commenting on what was given as "answers" and people expressing their distaste for those answers. I expect to be treated like an adult, and she fell very short on that expectation. If you feel that makes me an elitist pompous twit, that's your issue.
Yes, I expect proper grammar and spelling from those running for public office.
Yes, I expect mature conversations from those running for public office.
No, I do not expect anyone that frequents Slashdot to satisfy either of those criterias.
Your dismissal of her entire campaign because she wrote $$$ is just as childish and stupid.
That was just the glaring feature in an all around absurd way to try to get the geek crowd. Writing like a 14 year old doesn't make you a good politician.
Really you are in no position to judge in this case.
As someone who is eligible to vote, I am. Sorry if you don't like that.
I expect any serious writer or lecturer to first consider their audience when writing or giving a speech. In this case, her ICQisms were absolutely appropriate... she wasn't writing for your English 101 professor!
Then I have to wonder why she is targeting 14 year old boys?
Speaking as someone with a BA and MA in English, you're being a little picky. Actually, you're being overly picky, but I'm trying to be tactful.
I expect public figures to act professionally. This includes their writing and delivery of their opinions. That isn't picky, it's my taste. People jumped all over Quayle for potatoe, what's the difference?
Oh, and Mr. Smarty Pants, you spelled acumen as accumen.
Did you have to look up what it means in a dictionary to realize my typo?
Why does the use of 'local' vernacular (eg. $$$ or:q!) label Georgy as an idiot. I mean, this is/.
No, I'm calling you an idiot for not knowing how to spell definitely and understanding that some jobs require a competent grasp of the English language. You know, like Politicians.
Why do you also assume that points made were stolen, misinformed, or parroting, the latter is much more accurate of your post btw.
If you are too blind to not grasp that she was feeding the Slashdot crowd exactly what they wanted to hear, than you are her target audience. Congratulations. I wouldn't trust a geek in a public office, that's just moronic. You know why? Public office should be a representation of the public majority (including diversity) and geeks aren't it.
Besides, the mentality behind most of the local vernacular is on par with 14 year old boys that masturbate to Natalie Portman. Someone who understands that mindset is not someone who should be in public office. This is why she won't get elected.
I fully support this methodology and reasoning. I wish more people did. Yes, a lot of Adware software is poorly written and bogs down your system. I agree with that, but it doesn't give anybody a right to bypass their methods for compensation. I honestly think if people didn't keep trying to break Adware software, it would be written at least a little bit better and cleaner.
Well, I realize I'm doing the exact same (tired and boring rant) as you by pointing this out, but don't you think that if people "butcher it all the time" that means that a word is in fact not "one of the simplest words to spell"
You missed a key word in my sentence: here. People here butcher it all the time.
and I'll not disagree that proper spelling and grammar are important aspects of communication, but the lack there of doesn't mean that a person's not making a good point.
When a person tries to make a good point, but when they communicate with the accumen of a donkey sipping yogurt out of farmers nipple, that point is lost because that person sounds like an idiot. I don't listen to idiots, because their points are either stolen, misinformed, or merely parroting what other people say.
Of course, that gets into the question of why people find other's private lives interesting. Soap operas maybe?
Vicarious living. People just want to know about others lives that are more exciting or "dangerous" so that they can get an outlet for a different existence without leaving the confines of their couch.
Because English prereqs have absolutely nothing to do with real life.
They do when that persons real life revolves primarily around usage of English and properly demonstrating the ideas that person has. Demonstrating those ideas in a childish and stupid (in my opinion) way detracts from the ideas. What added benefit do you get from writing $$$ over money? Appeal to the 14 year olds who say M$ and $CO?
She does, and she definitely sounds like she's trying to get in good with the geeks. Her usage of "$$$" instead of writing "money" is a major turn-off for me. I'm curious if she writes "Micro$oft" as well?
I expect politicians to represent themselves professionally, and that includes their writing. If you wrote $$$ in English 101 at your local community college, you'd get a shitty grade on the paper. Why is it ok when you are running for governor?
Ok, now I understand that all it's really changing the is scenery, but "fly a plane on Mars"? The atmosphere is WAY too thin for that, most planes would never get off the ground!:( That's why I stopped playing flight sims, the all had no respect for physics. The lift/thrust/drag ratios are the same at sea level and 50K feet which just isn't true. I want a game with a REAL physics engine (and a space flight sim that really knew physics would be even better
There are quite a few things to worry about while flying on Mars, the most notable is the speed of sound differences. You have to have a plane that can fly supersonic while travelling at ~180 knotts. That's fairly difficult to manage, but it is very possible.
That was absolutely beautiful. An exceptionally insightful perspective on the whole thing, and that explains why the attitude remains. Even through the generations where people never even saw mainframe systems.
The cart always comes before the horse with you. It has nothing to do whatever with "getting tracked" Vs "no healthcare". You can only see the cause/effect relationship. These things do not seem as separate to me. The consequence of this decision means that some people will not get health care that they currently get due to consequences beyond their control. That's getting fucked over.
This is the point of disagreement between us. There are no consequences beyond their control. Everything in life is a result of your actions. There is no such thing as "beyond your control."
You don't even think they should get this healthcare in the first place. You don't like the game where everyone gets a bit of food and some medicine from society. They MUST work. But that game just doesn't work for some people. So you want to remove any ability for them to live, i.e. kill them. See what a monstrous murder you are?!?!
You are right, I don't think they should. I think it's a bullshit construct of society. Why are they more entitled to things than me? Why do I have to pay for my food, and they get it for free? Why do I have to pay huge amounts for health care, when they can get it for free? Doesn't seem fair to me, doesn't seem right. If I got the same benefits they had, than I wouldn't mind . I don't, so I do mind. Yeah, I'm "rich". So fucking what? I worked my ass off to get where I'm at, so why do I have to support these people who are just too damned lazy to do what I did?
So you really don't seem like an individual to me, just another murderous asshole created by civilization and greed.
This is where you don't understand me. All I desire is equality and nothing more. Don't harass me, and I won't harass you. It's a simple rule: Treat others as you like to be treated.
I like to be independant and support myself, so I treat others in the same manner. If you think thats greed, than you need to go find a dictionary and look that term up again.
How can one such as you do anything good at all?
By giving people an opportunity who need it, which I have. I've tried to rebuild quite a few peoples lives. Most of the time they don't want to do the work, and go back to their previous life. Fine by me. How many lives have you helped directly?
We still do not even come close to understanding each other. I feel ok with that. You feel I "... need to step back and re-read some things."
I don't understand how you think anybody is getting "fucked over." How are they getting fucked over? Because someone can find them? If that's the definition of fucked over, I want to know what the hell it's called to go through some of the shit that I've been calling fucked over for my whole life. Well, at least since I was old enough to swear.
Lets put it this way. You fall into a coma due to an accident. You get put on life support. Now someone comes and makes a "no work/no health care" law. So they come and pull the plug from you, you lazy bastard. All the while, they chant "No free lunch! No free lunch!" Would you say that you got fucked over?
No, if I was on life support unplug my ass. Unless I'm going to make a full recovery, I don't want to be plugged in. I'd be pissed if I woke up 30 years later without use of my body and confused why my wife is now an old woman and my kids are married.
You cannot chose to work as an invalid any more than a homeless person who does not want to work can choose. The choice comes from the past, you attack them in the present.
I think that people who choose not to work and don't shouldn't be entitled to anything. Not a damn thing. Let them fuck themselves over. I'm tired of them picking fights with me on the metro because I dress nice and work for it, and they think they're entitled to the change in my pocket. I've taught a man to fish, and he begged for fire right after. I'm done with that game, you want my money I have work for you to do. There is a difference between unwilling and unable. Unwilling doesn't gets you jack and shit in my world, and jack just left town.
I HAVE talked to many homeless. Some want to work, many do not. Your primary interest lies in finding homeless people who want to fit in and "rehabilitate" them, by which you mean making them act like you and work for 40 hours per week and have a house. You think giving them all jobs will "help them out".
You nailed it: many do not. So fuck those people. Cut them up and feed them to other people who do want to work at the shelter. Soylent Green for all!
I don't expect anybody to act like me, and I don't want anybody to act like me. One of me is enough for any world. What I do want is not to be harassed by people unwilling to work, and expect a free lunch. If someone wants to make a living and get some money, I'll help them out if I can but not for free. I worked on a ranch when I was 12 and 13 to buy computer parts. That's physically harder work than 90% of the people in America can even imagine as adults.
What you fail to understand, what many fail to understand, can get summed up as follows. THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO LIVE! Just different ways of living.
Absolutely, but when the people who live in similar ways as me pay for those who don't we get a say as to how our money is spent. I don't give bums change when I walk, and I hate my tax dollars are spent at shelters for people who just don't want to work. I would gladly donate to a charity setup to build a home for the mentally ill homeless people. It wouldn't work, because a lot wouldn't go live there, but it'd get some of them cleaned up and at least happier.
I measure it all in everybodies happiness. You should also visit Portland, OR which seemingly has more homeless people than New York City (Bill O'Reilly just said that, as well.) If the minority is a little less happy, so the majority is a lot more happy, that is just fine by me.
The extent of my automobile knowledge is a rather basic understanding of major components as well as some very minor home maintenance like spark plugs, oil change, replace a tire, and replace brake pads.
You just listed 4 components (counting "oil" as a component) in a car. Which are all exceptionally minor. A computer has: chassis, CPU, motherboard, hard drive, RAM, video card, ethernet card, mouse, keyboard, and monitor. I'm not seeing consumer level complexity here.
Except in an extraordinarily academic sense, I have no idea how my computer actually does 99.999999% of the things it does. By comparison, I have a wonderfully crystal clear understanding of how my car works. A typical home computer is astronomically more complex than a car.
I can assure you that you do not have a crystal clear understanding of how your car works. You probably do have a more clear understanding of how your computer works, especially with a four year degree. Unless colleges went really downhill, you should be required to have courses in logic gates, and such. You may not know how to build a processor, but you should at least now how they work.
I am a car person. Theoretically (I don't like to get my hands that dirty) a car is easy. However, they are amazingly complex. From a racing point of view, you constantly battle fuel/air mixtures, oil pressure, tire pressure, shock sensitivity, gear ratios, down pressure, etc. As a programmer, I worry about.. uhm... emerge being up to date.
Because they are designed with an entirely different purpose and set of design criteria in mind? Because they are much much simpler? Because they have been around in public use for a century?
That they are, but they are used for the same general purpose: To work how the consumer wants them to work, within the bounds of their design.
A car does meet those expectations, and has since 1908. A computer has had decades to just fulfill those, and has failed. A computer rarely does what the user wants it to do, within the bounds of it's design.
A user doesn't want to receive spam, viruses, or install firewall software. They just want it to work, and it doesn't. This is a flaw in the architecture, and the last 10 years being touted as "innovation" when all they do is make CPUs run more code faster and cooler. There is no innovation there. There hasn't been innovation since 1973. I picked that date at random.
The truth is they are apples and oranges, it just doesn't make sense to compare them at this level.
We can compare any "Utility Item" as utility items by having a little checklist. Does it:
do what I expect?
do it reliably?
without difficulty?
without unwarranted failure?*
* All things break, given enough time. Things shouldn't break in an unreasonably short time frame. Computers tend to do that, however (especially hard drives).
If you compare any utility item (cars, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, Walkman/Discman, dishwasher, fridge) a computer comes in at the bottom by using the criteria above. That's my point, not the comparison and contrasting of cars and computers. Utility items should work, and computers just don't.
I think this is provably mathematically impossible. It's actually probably one of those famous theories I can't remember after spending too much time doing practical work.
Isn't that true... It may be mathematically impossible to do it reliably every time, but I find it hard to believe it can't work at least most of the time. I mean, Valgrind does amazing things in it's VM. Why can't there be hardware virtual machines that aren't running on binary? Why aren't we using trinary systems instead of binary? There are a hundred and one questions showing the lack of innovation in computers.
Here would be innovation: Scalable clustered VMs running microkernels that share devi
Here is a general letter for software Linux coders can offer to port:
Dear Steve,
My name is ______(your name, try not to use a gay sounding handle) and I am a Linux programmer. I can't afford an Apple, but I saw iChat at a local ____________(insert computer store name). I would like to port this software to Linux, on a free work-for-hire basis. If you could also send me a _______________ (expenses hardware, like: firewire webcam) for testing, I would appreciate it. I can't afford this hardware, which is necessary for proper compability. I will send it back in the same condition upon completion of the project. My only desire is to bring this great software to Linux, which I fondly refer to as "Apple for the poor hippies."
Sincerely, ____________ (Your name, try to keep it the same as above)
Seriously man, you need to take a step back and re-read some things.
You feel that 70% of the homeless who currently avail themselves to free care have "mental soundness" and thus engage the care by "willful and intelligent choice". I say that they already have made the "willful choice" of abandoning most of the benefits of civilization, which you would reintroduce by tracking them and "helping them." Some will accept, many will not. They already made the choice in the past, you just want to fuck them over for it now.
There is no fucking over. There is No Such Thing As a Free Lunch, remember that? They made the choice given the assumption of shelters and free lunch. It wasn't a right, guaranteed, or promised ot them at any time. It doesn't fuck them over by changing something they don't have a right to. This is what you are failing to understand, that nobody is getting fucked.
Also, a lot of homeless people do want to get back on their feet but are having a hard time.
The reason why you need to re-evaluate your stance is because you are talking like all of the homeless people don't want help. Go talk to some homeless people, and see what they want to do. Especially the ones who show up for day work.
And, if you ever need some manual labor go find homeless people looking for day work! It's a great way to help them out, and get good quality work done.
But I fail to see why someone not being successful on your terms gives you the right to torture them. (And if you feel that torture is too strong a term, then you haven't known a paranoid who was claustrophic, and exposed to the medical care system.)
Who is torturing anybody? I'm only talking about the people who are mentally sound. Go read my posts again.
You said, "If they choose not to accept free care on condition of tracking..." You don't even understand that they ALREADY MADE the choice! You simply fuck them over for that choice. You say "... rebuild their lives." You mean, "act like me or I'll starve you to death." You don't even understand a word you say! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! *laugh*
Medication, man. Take it and enjoy it. It isn't too late. Perhaps you just didn't understand what I wrote because you didn't read it all, so I'll break it out for you again. Basing off the figures I have (70% of homeless people are mentally sound) they choose to live life by receiving free care at the current moment in time. As a condition of that free care, they will be tracked so that people know where they are. If they choose not to be tracked, they can find another method for receiving care. Tell me, how is that fucking them?
Really, we can do nothing at all about the situation. Until we realize that as long as we posit a "sucessful person" we will split the world in two and kill everyone on the wrong side of the fence, we will live in misery.
Successful person is a person who is happy and able to take care of themselves. Nothing more, nothing less. If you view it as something else, that is your issue and no one elses.
I would seriously re-evaluate your stances on life, you seem to have much angst in this subject. I would recommend getting over it, because you aren't going to do any good acting like a complete moron about it.
I got a dozen, here in Portland. It seems like everyone and their goddamn kid brother has it.
I've only received 2 bounce messages from it, which is a first. I usually get several coming in. I have family who works in the internet based customer support business, they woke to 12,000 viruses waiting and several thousand bounces. I'm in Portland, too, and apparently it decided to pass me over for the most part.
In typical webizen fashion, I warned everyone about it via blog, and told them not to use Outlook for a while.
I gave up trying to get people to not use Outlook. When Mozilla popup blocker came out, a few people listened and said, "Hey... email.. woo" but most people just don't care. Unless the virus destroys their computer, they don't give a damn.
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Don't get me wrong, I still love research for research's sake, but I think that Japan could better spend $50 billion on more advanced urban architecture and transportation.
Why don't you go visit Japan? That way you will have a decent understanding of the way life is both in Tokyo and outside of Tokyo.
What I am saying is that all those reasons are silly and immature criterea to judge a candidate. When you do that you are indeed acting like a 14 year old.
Ok, I think you are misunderstanding my stance. I do not like public figures acting in ways that are stupid. I classify stupid as writing like a chimp. Therefor, this whole thing was a disappointment to me, because she wrote like a chimp.
Just because that doesn't jive with you, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It also doesn't mean that it's stupid. It means that I care about presentation. Presentation, in my opinion, is one of the most important things in life. It's how you get things done. I don't think a governor can do a good job if their presentation sucks.
So far, from everything I've seen, her presentation sucks. Feel free to correct me, but calling my stance "stupid" just enforces that her target audience buys that tripe.
You don't listen to idiots, I don't listen to pompous elitist twits whose ego is only dwarfed by their ignorance. I find it interesting that you dismiss her on the basis of petty grammatical insults, yet offer no intelligent disagreement with any of her positions. It seems that people only fall to this level of pettiness in a debate when they are incapable of forming a real argument.
If you would stop assuming, you would see that I only posted one disagreeance. There are several things in which I think she is absolutely wrong about. Had the discussions gone beyond her feelings of "corporate $$$" than I would be inclined to offer them there.
It's easy for you to think I'm ignorant and pompous, because you disagree with what I say. If you agreed, I would be a "free thinker" and a bunch of other things. Yes, you too are a hypocrite just like everybody else.
It seems that people only fall to this level of pettiness in a debate when they are incapable of forming a real argument.
Or perhaps it's people who are commenting on what was given as "answers" and people expressing their distaste for those answers. I expect to be treated like an adult, and she fell very short on that expectation. If you feel that makes me an elitist pompous twit, that's your issue.
Yes, I expect proper grammar and spelling from those running for public office.
Yes, I expect mature conversations from those running for public office.
No, I do not expect anyone that frequents Slashdot to satisfy either of those criterias.
Your dismissal of her entire campaign because she wrote $$$ is just as childish and stupid.
That was just the glaring feature in an all around absurd way to try to get the geek crowd. Writing like a 14 year old doesn't make you a good politician.
Really you are in no position to judge in this case.
As someone who is eligible to vote, I am. Sorry if you don't like that.
I expect any serious writer or lecturer to first consider their audience when writing or giving a speech. In this case, her ICQisms were absolutely appropriate... she wasn't writing for your English 101 professor!
Then I have to wonder why she is targeting 14 year old boys?
Speaking as someone with a BA and MA in English, you're being a little picky. Actually, you're being overly picky, but I'm trying to be tactful.
I expect public figures to act professionally. This includes their writing and delivery of their opinions. That isn't picky, it's my taste. People jumped all over Quayle for potatoe, what's the difference?
Oh, and Mr. Smarty Pants, you spelled acumen as accumen.
:q!) label Georgy as an idiot. I mean, this is /.
Did you have to look up what it means in a dictionary to realize my typo?
Why does the use of 'local' vernacular (eg. $$$ or
No, I'm calling you an idiot for not knowing how to spell definitely and understanding that some jobs require a competent grasp of the English language. You know, like Politicians.
Why do you also assume that points made were stolen, misinformed, or parroting, the latter is much more accurate of your post btw.
If you are too blind to not grasp that she was feeding the Slashdot crowd exactly what they wanted to hear, than you are her target audience. Congratulations. I wouldn't trust a geek in a public office, that's just moronic. You know why? Public office should be a representation of the public majority (including diversity) and geeks aren't it.
Besides, the mentality behind most of the local vernacular is on par with 14 year old boys that masturbate to Natalie Portman. Someone who understands that mindset is not someone who should be in public office. This is why she won't get elected.
I fully support this methodology and reasoning. I wish more people did. Yes, a lot of Adware software is poorly written and bogs down your system. I agree with that, but it doesn't give anybody a right to bypass their methods for compensation. I honestly think if people didn't keep trying to break Adware software, it would be written at least a little bit better and cleaner.
Well, I realize I'm doing the exact same (tired and boring rant) as you by pointing this out, but don't you think that if people "butcher it all the time" that means that a word is in fact not "one of the simplest words to spell"
You missed a key word in my sentence: here. People here butcher it all the time.
and I'll not disagree that proper spelling and grammar are important aspects of communication, but the lack there of doesn't mean that a person's not making a good point.
When a person tries to make a good point, but when they communicate with the accumen of a donkey sipping yogurt out of farmers nipple, that point is lost because that person sounds like an idiot. I don't listen to idiots, because their points are either stolen, misinformed, or merely parroting what other people say.
What's the difference? She obviously is well spoken and written.
Funny, I say the exact opposite.
If $$$ makes a more clearer point, adds intended emphasis, shortens the time taken to digest/read/transmit the information, why should you not use it?
It doesn't make a clearer point. It reads idiotic.
Her platform is refreshing, real, and definately thought out.
Here's some communication theory for you: Learn to spell definitely so you don't sound like an idiot.
It is one of the simplest words to spell, and people here butcher it all the time. Georgy is the perfect Slashdot candidate after all...
Of course, that gets into the question of why people find other's private lives interesting. Soap operas maybe?
Vicarious living. People just want to know about others lives that are more exciting or "dangerous" so that they can get an outlet for a different existence without leaving the confines of their couch.
Because English prereqs have absolutely nothing to do with real life.
They do when that persons real life revolves primarily around usage of English and properly demonstrating the ideas that person has. Demonstrating those ideas in a childish and stupid (in my opinion) way detracts from the ideas. What added benefit do you get from writing $$$ over money? Appeal to the 14 year olds who say M$ and $CO?
She does, and she definitely sounds like she's trying to get in good with the geeks. Her usage of "$$$" instead of writing "money" is a major turn-off for me. I'm curious if she writes "Micro$oft" as well?
I expect politicians to represent themselves professionally, and that includes their writing. If you wrote $$$ in English 101 at your local community college, you'd get a shitty grade on the paper. Why is it ok when you are running for governor?
Ok, now I understand that all it's really changing the is scenery, but "fly a plane on Mars"? The atmosphere is WAY too thin for that, most planes would never get off the ground! :( That's why I stopped playing flight sims, the all had no respect for physics. The lift/thrust/drag ratios are the same at sea level and 50K feet which just isn't true. I want a game with a REAL physics engine (and a space flight sim that really knew physics would be even better
You can fly a plane on mars. See here.
There are quite a few things to worry about while flying on Mars, the most notable is the speed of sound differences. You have to have a plane that can fly supersonic while travelling at ~180 knotts. That's fairly difficult to manage, but it is very possible.
That was absolutely beautiful. An exceptionally insightful perspective on the whole thing, and that explains why the attitude remains. Even through the generations where people never even saw mainframe systems.
Very nice, mate, cheers.
The cart always comes before the horse with you. It has nothing to do whatever with "getting tracked" Vs "no healthcare". You can only see the cause/effect relationship. These things do not seem as separate to me. The consequence of this decision means that some people will not get health care that they currently get due to consequences beyond their control. That's getting fucked over.
This is the point of disagreement between us. There are no consequences beyond their control. Everything in life is a result of your actions. There is no such thing as "beyond your control."
You don't even think they should get this healthcare in the first place. You don't like the game where everyone gets a bit of food and some medicine from society. They MUST work. But that game just doesn't work for some people. So you want to remove any ability for them to live, i.e. kill them. See what a monstrous murder you are?!?!
You are right, I don't think they should. I think it's a bullshit construct of society. Why are they more entitled to things than me? Why do I have to pay for my food, and they get it for free? Why do I have to pay huge amounts for health care, when they can get it for free? Doesn't seem fair to me, doesn't seem right. If I got the same benefits they had, than I wouldn't mind . I don't, so I do mind. Yeah, I'm "rich". So fucking what? I worked my ass off to get where I'm at, so why do I have to support these people who are just too damned lazy to do what I did?
So you really don't seem like an individual to me, just another murderous asshole created by civilization and greed.
This is where you don't understand me. All I desire is equality and nothing more. Don't harass me, and I won't harass you. It's a simple rule: Treat others as you like to be treated.
I like to be independant and support myself, so I treat others in the same manner. If you think thats greed, than you need to go find a dictionary and look that term up again.
How can one such as you do anything good at all?
By giving people an opportunity who need it, which I have. I've tried to rebuild quite a few peoples lives. Most of the time they don't want to do the work, and go back to their previous life. Fine by me. How many lives have you helped directly?
Oh shit, it was just a joke. Lighten up.
Congratulations!
You win the prize for being the first person to mention Go while being logged in in a chess story is this comment.
We still do not even come close to understanding each other. I feel ok with that. You feel I "... need to step back and re-read some things."
I don't understand how you think anybody is getting "fucked over." How are they getting fucked over? Because someone can find them? If that's the definition of fucked over, I want to know what the hell it's called to go through some of the shit that I've been calling fucked over for my whole life. Well, at least since I was old enough to swear.
Lets put it this way. You fall into a coma due to an accident. You get put on life support. Now someone comes and makes a "no work/no health care" law. So they come and pull the plug from you, you lazy bastard. All the while, they chant "No free lunch! No free lunch!" Would you say that you got fucked over?
No, if I was on life support unplug my ass. Unless I'm going to make a full recovery, I don't want to be plugged in. I'd be pissed if I woke up 30 years later without use of my body and confused why my wife is now an old woman and my kids are married.
You cannot chose to work as an invalid any more than a homeless person who does not want to work can choose. The choice comes from the past, you attack them in the present.
I think that people who choose not to work and don't shouldn't be entitled to anything. Not a damn thing. Let them fuck themselves over. I'm tired of them picking fights with me on the metro because I dress nice and work for it, and they think they're entitled to the change in my pocket. I've taught a man to fish, and he begged for fire right after. I'm done with that game, you want my money I have work for you to do. There is a difference between unwilling and unable. Unwilling doesn't gets you jack and shit in my world, and jack just left town.
I HAVE talked to many homeless. Some want to work, many do not. Your primary interest lies in finding homeless people who want to fit in and "rehabilitate" them, by which you mean making them act like you and work for 40 hours per week and have a house. You think giving them all jobs will "help them out".
You nailed it: many do not. So fuck those people. Cut them up and feed them to other people who do want to work at the shelter. Soylent Green for all!
I don't expect anybody to act like me, and I don't want anybody to act like me. One of me is enough for any world. What I do want is not to be harassed by people unwilling to work, and expect a free lunch. If someone wants to make a living and get some money, I'll help them out if I can but not for free. I worked on a ranch when I was 12 and 13 to buy computer parts. That's physically harder work than 90% of the people in America can even imagine as adults.
What you fail to understand, what many fail to understand, can get summed up as follows. THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO LIVE! Just different ways of living.
Absolutely, but when the people who live in similar ways as me pay for those who don't we get a say as to how our money is spent. I don't give bums change when I walk, and I hate my tax dollars are spent at shelters for people who just don't want to work. I would gladly donate to a charity setup to build a home for the mentally ill homeless people. It wouldn't work, because a lot wouldn't go live there, but it'd get some of them cleaned up and at least happier.
I measure it all in everybodies happiness. You should also visit Portland, OR which seemingly has more homeless people than New York City (Bill O'Reilly just said that, as well.) If the minority is a little less happy, so the majority is a lot more happy, that is just fine by me.
You just listed 4 components (counting "oil" as a component) in a car. Which are all exceptionally minor. A computer has: chassis, CPU, motherboard, hard drive, RAM, video card, ethernet card, mouse, keyboard, and monitor. I'm not seeing consumer level complexity here.
Except in an extraordinarily academic sense, I have no idea how my computer actually does 99.999999% of the things it does. By comparison, I have a wonderfully crystal clear understanding of how my car works. A typical home computer is astronomically more complex than a car.
I can assure you that you do not have a crystal clear understanding of how your car works. You probably do have a more clear understanding of how your computer works, especially with a four year degree. Unless colleges went really downhill, you should be required to have courses in logic gates, and such. You may not know how to build a processor, but you should at least now how they work.
I am a car person. Theoretically (I don't like to get my hands that dirty) a car is easy. However, they are amazingly complex. From a racing point of view, you constantly battle fuel/air mixtures, oil pressure, tire pressure, shock sensitivity, gear ratios, down pressure, etc. As a programmer, I worry about.. uhm... emerge being up to date.
Because they are designed with an entirely different purpose and set of design criteria in mind? Because they are much much simpler? Because they have been around in public use for a century?
That they are, but they are used for the same general purpose: To work how the consumer wants them to work, within the bounds of their design.
A car does meet those expectations, and has since 1908. A computer has had decades to just fulfill those, and has failed. A computer rarely does what the user wants it to do, within the bounds of it's design.
A user doesn't want to receive spam, viruses, or install firewall software. They just want it to work, and it doesn't. This is a flaw in the architecture, and the last 10 years being touted as "innovation" when all they do is make CPUs run more code faster and cooler. There is no innovation there. There hasn't been innovation since 1973. I picked that date at random.
The truth is they are apples and oranges, it just doesn't make sense to compare them at this level.
We can compare any "Utility Item" as utility items by having a little checklist.
Does it:
* All things break, given enough time. Things shouldn't break in an unreasonably short time frame. Computers tend to do that, however (especially hard drives).
If you compare any utility item (cars, televisions, VCRs, DVD players, Walkman/Discman, dishwasher, fridge) a computer comes in at the bottom by using the criteria above. That's my point, not the comparison and contrasting of cars and computers. Utility items should work, and computers just don't.
I think this is provably mathematically impossible. It's actually probably one of those famous theories I can't remember after spending too much time doing practical work.
Isn't that true... It may be mathematically impossible to do it reliably every time, but I find it hard to believe it can't work at least most of the time. I mean, Valgrind does amazing things in it's VM. Why can't there be hardware virtual machines that aren't running on binary? Why aren't we using trinary systems instead of binary? There are a hundred and one questions showing the lack of innovation in computers.
Here would be innovation: Scalable clustered VMs running microkernels that share devi
Seriously man, you need to take a step back and re-read some things.
You feel that 70% of the homeless who currently avail themselves to free care have "mental soundness" and thus engage the care by "willful and intelligent choice". I say that they already have made the "willful choice" of abandoning most of the benefits of civilization, which you would reintroduce by tracking them and "helping them." Some will accept, many will not. They already made the choice in the past, you just want to fuck them over for it now.
There is no fucking over. There is No Such Thing As a Free Lunch, remember that? They made the choice given the assumption of shelters and free lunch. It wasn't a right, guaranteed, or promised ot them at any time. It doesn't fuck them over by changing something they don't have a right to. This is what you are failing to understand, that nobody is getting fucked.
Also, a lot of homeless people do want to get back on their feet but are having a hard time.
The reason why you need to re-evaluate your stance is because you are talking like all of the homeless people don't want help. Go talk to some homeless people, and see what they want to do. Especially the ones who show up for day work.
And, if you ever need some manual labor go find homeless people looking for day work! It's a great way to help them out, and get good quality work done.
But I fail to see why someone not being successful on your terms gives you the right to torture them. (And if you feel that torture is too strong a term, then you haven't known a paranoid who was claustrophic, and exposed to the medical care system.)
Who is torturing anybody? I'm only talking about the people who are mentally sound. Go read my posts again.
You said, "If they choose not to accept free care on condition of tracking..." You don't even understand that they ALREADY MADE the choice! You simply fuck them over for that choice. You say "... rebuild their lives." You mean, "act like me or I'll starve you to death." You don't even understand a word you say! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! *laugh*
Medication, man. Take it and enjoy it. It isn't too late. Perhaps you just didn't understand what I wrote because you didn't read it all, so I'll break it out for you again. Basing off the figures I have (70% of homeless people are mentally sound) they choose to live life by receiving free care at the current moment in time. As a condition of that free care, they will be tracked so that people know where they are. If they choose not to be tracked, they can find another method for receiving care. Tell me, how is that fucking them?
Really, we can do nothing at all about the situation. Until we realize that as long as we posit a "sucessful person" we will split the world in two and kill everyone on the wrong side of the fence, we will live in misery.
Successful person is a person who is happy and able to take care of themselves. Nothing more, nothing less. If you view it as something else, that is your issue and no one elses.
I would seriously re-evaluate your stances on life, you seem to have much angst in this subject. I would recommend getting over it, because you aren't going to do any good acting like a complete moron about it.
I got a dozen, here in Portland. It seems like everyone and their goddamn kid brother has it.
I've only received 2 bounce messages from it, which is a first. I usually get several coming in. I have family who works in the internet based customer support business, they woke to 12,000 viruses waiting and several thousand bounces. I'm in Portland, too, and apparently it decided to pass me over for the most part.
In typical webizen fashion, I warned everyone about it via blog, and told them not to use Outlook for a while.
I gave up trying to get people to not use Outlook. When Mozilla popup blocker came out, a few people listened and said, "Hey... email.. woo" but most people just don't care. Unless the virus destroys their computer, they don't give a damn.