maybe, but nothing new can compare to good old american muscle car power. my '67 chevelle has 650HP and can smoke your precious imprezza. and i bet i paid less than you did, and i'll also bet that i can trump your import at any race or car show.
I'm pretty sure it would look rather sad racing this.
Be careful about challenging imports, as real racers (not the silly little Civics) will eat any muscle car and ask when the main course is.
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So now, somebody who can RTFM is considered a guru?
Go ahead and RTFM, and see how long it takes you just based on the manual to set up what I listed.
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Open source software _is_ good for the IT industry. Broken software that requires babysitting by elitist gurus is _exactly_ what IT workers want, so they can continue to justify their positions and their salaries.
Little addendum: With the select few open source applications, this is dead on. Apache and FreeBSD are IT services that don't require elitist gurus, but try to get PHP + mod_perl + Apache with mod_ssl going, and you need that guru.
Great post, was brilliantly timed. I'm glad you didn't post this top level because it would have likely been taken out of context.
Redistribution isn't 'circumvention'. The GPL specifically requires that it be allowed.
He said, "circumvention of the business model." Last I read, the GPL didn't cover business models, only copyrights on software.
Yay for the Slashdot community and their lack of understanding that circumvention was around before the DMCA!
Strange that people seem to be so religious about all the details of the GPL, except when it might hurt RedHat, in which case it's okay for them to sell it like proprietary software.
FortKnox of all people on here isn't religious about the details of the GPL. Hell, he codes in Java. There is proprietary software that gets bundled on the RedHat box sets, also. You apparently missed that one too.
Lets just group them all here, this is incredibly funny: Basic: Ruby and Python for Dummies Java: C++ For Dummies C++: C For Dummies C: Assembly For Dummies Assembly: Machine Code For Dummies
I have no idea what Perl should be... maybe: Perl: Corrupting all that is Good and Righteous in the World for Dummies
(I code in Perl, often, It's just fun to joke about)
I'd like to see you write an enterprise website in C++.
Be careful what you wish for. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Also remember, much of Yahoo is C/C++.
Why the hell would you want to do that with flash?
Why wouldn't you? It is more stable and robust than Java. It operates very quick, and has full XML support. Stop spewing FUD.
The problem I, and I suspect many others, have with Flash is that it excels most at doing things which just ought not to be done at all.
I'd say your problem lies more in your own misconceptions and others abuse at Flash to understand it's value. I personally don't do anything with it, my forte is network services, but it definitely does have a good use.
Or does anyone else think Flash should die a quick and painful death? I have never seen Flash used in an application that wouldn't be more effective using javascript or simple HTML.
At work we have a full word processor that has template support, as well as drag'n'drop object support, and CVS support written in Flash.
Lets see ya do that. I'm all for Flash when it's used intelligently.
I was initially surprised at the price -- 50,000 yen didn't used to be worth terribly much -- but given current exchange rates, this thing is going for about $420 USD.
Mod parent down, obviously no knowledge of Japanese currency charted over time.
A month ago the yen was at 117, and a year ago was at 130. 5 years ago it was about 100 and before that it was at 80.
It does entertain me that nearly every user who was introduced to linux after RedHat switched their default wm to be sawhorse/sawfish has never even heard of what is still arguably the best looking thing out there. (I've not touched KDE3.1 yet, but seeing as I have stylistic issues with most of the KDE 'way', my subjective opinion would probably remain the same even with such an experience.)
Ironic, I used to run E or IceWM, then switched to Sawfish. I recently switched to KDE, and am loving every minute of it. My main bitch is not having a hot key map to make a window sticky.
I'll test E17 out when they get something stable, but I'm not expecting it to be revolutionary. It would be revolutionary 2 years ago, but I think everybody has surpassed what E17 is going to offer.
I hope that Evas does do well, and is used as a common layer over X.
To all those "Americans" that have a problem with war protesters... It is a free country.
You are right.
It is a free country. I have a right to drive home from work without being stuck in a traffic jam because some assholes are blocking traffic because they believe their message is more important. I have a right to not worry about my car getting vandalized and spit on while I'm driving, because I happened to get stuck in your un-announced, infantile protests.
You do not have a right to stop me on my travels, no more than I have a right to hit you in the face for it.
If you want to protest, you do it right. You don't block traffic, you don't assault cops, you don't throw things at people and buildings.
You are abusing what is the right of assembly, because what is happening is not peaceful assembly.
How would you like it if everytime you got in your car a message played for something you don't agree with that you couldn't turn down or turn off. How is that right.
Read my journal for more ranting about this subject, until then Fuck the protestors.
You realized you shouldn't because you were given the chance to come to that decision like a human, not tethered to your parents 24/7.
Wrong, and don't make assumptions of how I realized something about life. Before hand, I was tethered to my parents, I had to check-in, tell them where I was going. I understood why, because they cared about me and what I was doing.
Trust works both ways. Parents who subject their children to this kind of treatment show that they are the ones who have problems with trust. If I had a younger child who was constantly going off where they shouldn't, I would use a system like this. Regardless of the trust issues, I want to make sure they listen. Discipline is important.
For one, I'd think that good parenting should be done the old fashioned way, ie getting your kid to develop such a sence of moral obligation that they will let you know where they are going (and hopefully enough sense of life, adventure and self to lie to you because they're going to a perfectly safe party you wouldn't let them go to).
I agree, but old fashioned parenting is being replaced by letting television raise children. So this leaves us with parents who are disconnected and ultimately disinterested in their childrens lives.
Second: "use it as a notifier if something went wrong"...huh? like the cellphone knows when stuff goes wrong and can act on it? That's a hell of a neural network you've stuffed in there. Not only that, but there's two other things which don't add up: the location tech is there anyway, thanks to the 911 legislation (no, not that one; if you call 911, 'they' have to be able to trace the call to a couple of meters), so you know where your kid is anyway. Putting a restricted track where your kids allowed to be makes you the childs big brother (1984 style): no more going off to the park/under the bridge whatever, because you've made that impossible (not only that, but wtf do you think it's gonna do to a kid psychologically when the kid knows his parents know where he is/at all times/ and can put out an 'allowable route' for him to follow like a labrat? How would you feel?
If I had an embedded tracer that alerted my parents if I left city limits, while I was growing up, I would be fine with it. We actually lived outside of city limits, but that doesn't matter...
It's not 1984. It's one more tool for parents to keep an eye on their children. As everyone is pointing out, this is obviously not technology for the teenagers who do go under the bridge. When they are old enough to keep an eye out for themselves. This is for younger children, who sometimes do get abducted or in trouble.
When I was in elementary school, unless I had special permission, I had to be able to see the light in front of our house at any time. My mother would turn the light off (at night) or on (during the day) and that meant we had to come home. If we weren't back within 15 minutes, something was wrong. This just gives the children more freedom, so I don't see why it's wrong.
And many kidnappers wouldn't know of the tracer, either. Most kidnappers are not exactly the high tech, up on the news variety. They're usually psychopaths, or have a personal stake at kidnapping the victim so they're will be added security or it's a moot point anyway.
I'm not seeing disadvantages. There is no privacy lost to the child that wasn't already there, and that the parent isn't already allowing them to do.
This shit about big brother is just retarded, too. It's not big brother, it's their fucking parents, who have a lot more obligation than big brother.
Shit guys, go out into the real world, grow up, have a kid or something. The real world is not 1984. In fact, the world hasn't changed much since 1984 was written.
Second, remember this is supposably targeted at a home users. How many households do you know of that really can get 5 people at once doing something on the computer? Now make that 5 big things, because most things that people do on a computer don't need a lot of CPU.
Well, considering I'm the only programmer and my girlfriend uses an 800Mhz PIII, that ceased to suit my needs, for her email, you do have a point. But this technology originally was implemented for workplace environments...
I have an idea using LCD detachable systems like tablet PCs in my house, linked over 802.11 that has the same type of system. I'm hoping that Sun really does do well with this because I would love to be able to use this. A lot of times I just want to listen to music, or do a quick websearch and that keeps me trapped in my home office. Yes, I do realize I'm spoiled:)
I'm on the computer day and night, albeit with programming rather than video games. I am at a desk with 4 monitors, one of which constantly has the tv going. Thanks to a fubar metabolism I eat as much (junk) food as is humanly possible without gaining a pound or having tooth decay.
It's not healthy for you to do that though. Regardless of what you think. When I was in my teenage years, I did the same. I also have a really skewed metabolism, and never have to worry about gaining weight. My parents always forced me into doing something that involved social interactions. You know what? It did me a world of good. At the time I thought they were idiots, and they didn't understand. Now, I understand they are just much more insightful than I was. When it came to intelligence, even at 12 I was long surpassed my parents. When it comes to wisdom, I don't think I'll ever be close.
I'm not judging you as a parent, or telling you what to do. Just so long as people realize there are two sides to the parent/child arrangement they shouldn't have any trouble.
I'm just saying that it's not your business to point out how people should or shouldn't raise children, and what technology they use to assist in that. The thing that people (especially most teenagers, no offense) fail to understand is that most of the time, their parents are much more smart than they realize. Or at least more wise and insightful.
But it is he who will be affected by this, not you. It will be him who will have restrictions placed on him uneccesarily, not you. And in general I think someone who is a lot closer to the age (or at least remembers how it was at that age) will be able to decide if something is unwanted and undisirable, a lot better than a parent who has the 'parental instinct' to deal with.
His opinion matters in regards to his parents now, and his future children. Him telling me it's a bad idea, or someone who worries about their young daughter is idiotic and a waste of breath.
This is like a harness in a stroller. It's a good idea to keep the child from falling out, but there are certain parents who strap them in so tightly that they can't move at all, and sometimes it even gives them trouble breathing. I've seen it, and the parents wonder why the child is crying...
There is a huge difference in saying, "That harness is too tight, you should loosen it." and "You should take the harness off, it's not good for them."
So just like in my example, you need to give children some movement space, and breathing room. This is up to the discretion of the parent. Yes, I agree that they should. I was given a lot of freedom when I was growing up out of circumstance. I never (well, rarely) abused that freedom because the thought of doing something never entered my mind because I needed to live. A lot of my friends at the time thought it was so incredibly cool that I could do anything. They never realized that the reason why I could do anything was because I realized I shouldn't.
It's a case by case basis, and labeling technology as bad that can help parents get a handle on children who are being destructive to themselves is blind and ignorant. Above all, they have no right to speak out on what other parents view as proper, because finding out if your child is not being honest or truthful to you is not harmful to the child. The relationship may need some work, and building trust is important. It still is their responsibility as a parent to decide how accountable and involved they want to be.
I'm not suggesting a legal remedy, nor am I saying that parenting should be restricted by the government. I am saying that placing such restrictions on children is a bad idea and is rarely in their best interest.
Neither is letting your child play video games constantly, or sitting to close to the TV, or letting them eat too much junk food. For that matter, any junk food. It's not your responsibility or right to tell anybody what is right or wrong when it comes to raising children.
I care because I read George Orwell's 1984, and I saw that as a possible future.
Then be a parent, raise children how you feel it's right. Until then, unless you can communicate, with proper respect, that ideas aren't bad just because you don't agree with them, your opinion matters about as much as a... kid talking about parental issues.
When you grow up (I hate myself for sounding like this... sigh) the world will change. Just remember, it's not the spoon that bends; it's you.
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Would you mind writing a book, "Kneejerk Reactions and Spreading FUD for Dummies!"?
I can hook you up with a really good publisher.
But call me when you can do the 1/4 in 8.77 @ 151.89 MPH.
If you are claiming that your Chevelle can do 8.77, you have to back that up. I'm calling massive bullshit.
I've seen some pretty tough muscle cars, and the lowest I've ever seen a muscle car do is in the 11s.
maybe, but nothing new can compare to good old american muscle car power. my '67 chevelle has 650HP and can smoke your precious imprezza. and i bet i paid less than you did, and i'll also bet that i can trump your import at any race or car show.
I'm pretty sure it would look rather sad racing this.
Be careful about challenging imports, as real racers (not the silly little Civics) will eat any muscle car and ask when the main course is.
So now, somebody who can RTFM is considered a guru?
Go ahead and RTFM, and see how long it takes you just based on the manual to set up what I listed.
Open source software _is_ good for the IT industry. Broken software that requires babysitting by elitist gurus is _exactly_ what IT workers want, so they can continue to justify their positions and their salaries.
Little addendum:
With the select few open source applications, this is dead on. Apache and FreeBSD are IT services that don't require elitist gurus, but try to get PHP + mod_perl + Apache with mod_ssl going, and you need that guru.
Great post, was brilliantly timed. I'm glad you didn't post this top level because it would have likely been taken out of context.
I'll show up in the Ape Suit if Fay Wray shows up in her, ah, Fay Wray Suit. ;)
She was born in 1907. I'm going to have nightmares about that now, thanks.
It's not really price-fixing proper, just basic economics.
This is Slashdot. Anything that involves economics turns into a conspiracy theory, DMCA violation, or PATRIOT act.
Redistribution isn't 'circumvention'. The GPL specifically requires that it be allowed.
He said, "circumvention of the business model." Last I read, the GPL didn't cover business models, only copyrights on software.
Yay for the Slashdot community and their lack of understanding that circumvention was around before the DMCA!
Strange that people seem to be so religious about all the details of the GPL, except when it might hurt RedHat, in which case it's okay for them to sell it like proprietary software.
FortKnox of all people on here isn't religious about the details of the GPL. Hell, he codes in Java. There is proprietary software that gets bundled on the RedHat box sets, also. You apparently missed that one too.
I have to manage my wife's money - she's to money what a heatsink is to heat. Now if she'd only stop overheating
Exact opposite with me. I can generate a lot of money, and dissipate it with amazing efficiency. I'm thinking at a nice 107% efficiency rate, or such.
I have to ask for approvals for anything over the cost of a cheap lunch.
Lets just group them all here, this is incredibly funny:
Basic: Ruby and Python for Dummies
Java: C++ For Dummies
C++: C For Dummies
C: Assembly For Dummies
Assembly: Machine Code For Dummies
I have no idea what Perl should be... maybe:
Perl: Corrupting all that is Good and Righteous in the World for Dummies
(I code in Perl, often, It's just fun to joke about)
I'd like to see you write an enterprise website in C++.
Be careful what you wish for. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Also remember, much of Yahoo is C/C++.
I have a few tips for you, they are all called "punctuation."
You see, I got a friend sitting right here. It's called a period. You use it to let people know when to breathe and when your statement is made.
Up next, you guessed it, our friend the comma.
If I may update your future reading list, I'd put a book on MLA formatting and even possibly, "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
I can only hope that you are either 8 years old, or have only been studying English for a year or two.
Why the hell would you want to do that with flash?
Why wouldn't you? It is more stable and robust than Java. It operates very quick, and has full XML support. Stop spewing FUD.
The problem I, and I suspect many others, have with Flash is that it excels most at doing things which just ought not to be done at all.
I'd say your problem lies more in your own misconceptions and others abuse at Flash to understand it's value. I personally don't do anything with it, my forte is network services, but it definitely does have a good use.
Or does anyone else think Flash should die a quick and painful death? I have never seen Flash used in an application that wouldn't be more effective using javascript or simple HTML.
At work we have a full word processor that has template support, as well as drag'n'drop object support, and CVS support written in Flash.
Lets see ya do that. I'm all for Flash when it's used intelligently.
I was initially surprised at the price -- 50,000 yen didn't used to be worth terribly much -- but given current exchange rates, this thing is going for about $420 USD.
Mod parent down, obviously no knowledge of Japanese currency charted over time.
A month ago the yen was at 117, and a year ago was at 130. 5 years ago it was about 100 and before that it was at 80.
Uhhh...did anyone in Japan check up on the conotations of having a "Wrist friend" at all?
I would assume they did not, and don't care much.
It does entertain me that nearly every user who was introduced to linux after RedHat switched their default wm to be sawhorse/sawfish has never even heard of what is still arguably the best looking thing out there. (I've not touched KDE3.1 yet, but seeing as I have stylistic issues with most of the KDE 'way', my subjective opinion would probably remain the same even with such an experience.)
Ironic, I used to run E or IceWM, then switched to Sawfish. I recently switched to KDE, and am loving every minute of it. My main bitch is not having a hot key map to make a window sticky.
I'll test E17 out when they get something stable, but I'm not expecting it to be revolutionary. It would be revolutionary 2 years ago, but I think everybody has surpassed what E17 is going to offer.
I hope that Evas does do well, and is used as a common layer over X.
Actually, you don't have those rights. None of them.
I don't have a right to freedom of movement?
Sure, whatever you say. Try to stop me, you hold me prisoner, and I will escape in whatever means necessary.
To all those "Americans" that have a problem with war protesters... It is a free country.
You are right.
It is a free country. I have a right to drive home from work without being stuck in a traffic jam because some assholes are blocking traffic because they believe their message is more important. I have a right to not worry about my car getting vandalized and spit on while I'm driving, because I happened to get stuck in your un-announced, infantile protests.
You do not have a right to stop me on my travels, no more than I have a right to hit you in the face for it.
If you want to protest, you do it right. You don't block traffic, you don't assault cops, you don't throw things at people and buildings.
You are abusing what is the right of assembly, because what is happening is not peaceful assembly.
How would you like it if everytime you got in your car a message played for something you don't agree with that you couldn't turn down or turn off. How is that right.
Read my journal for more ranting about this subject, until then Fuck the protestors.
You realized you shouldn't because you were given the chance to come to that decision like a human, not tethered to your parents 24/7.
Wrong, and don't make assumptions of how I realized something about life. Before hand, I was tethered to my parents, I had to check-in, tell them where I was going. I understood why, because they cared about me and what I was doing.
Trust works both ways. Parents who subject their children to this kind of treatment show that they are the ones who have problems with trust.
If I had a younger child who was constantly going off where they shouldn't, I would use a system like this. Regardless of the trust issues, I want to make sure they listen. Discipline is important.
For one, I'd think that good parenting should be done the old fashioned way, ie getting your kid to develop such a sence of moral obligation that they will let you know where they are going (and hopefully enough sense of life, adventure and self to lie to you because they're going to a perfectly safe party you wouldn't let them go to).
/at all times/ and can put out an 'allowable route' for him to follow like a labrat? How would you feel?
I agree, but old fashioned parenting is being replaced by letting television raise children. So this leaves us with parents who are disconnected and ultimately disinterested in their childrens lives.
Second: "use it as a notifier if something went wrong"...huh? like the cellphone knows when stuff goes wrong and can act on it? That's a hell of a neural network you've stuffed in there. Not only that, but there's two other things which don't add up: the location tech is there anyway, thanks to the 911 legislation (no, not that one; if you call 911, 'they' have to be able to trace the call to a couple of meters), so you know where your kid is anyway. Putting a restricted track where your kids allowed to be makes you the childs big brother (1984 style): no more going off to the park/under the bridge whatever, because you've made that impossible (not only that, but wtf do you think it's gonna do to a kid psychologically when the kid knows his parents know where he is
If I had an embedded tracer that alerted my parents if I left city limits, while I was growing up, I would be fine with it. We actually lived outside of city limits, but that doesn't matter...
It's not 1984. It's one more tool for parents to keep an eye on their children. As everyone is pointing out, this is obviously not technology for the teenagers who do go under the bridge. When they are old enough to keep an eye out for themselves. This is for younger children, who sometimes do get abducted or in trouble.
When I was in elementary school, unless I had special permission, I had to be able to see the light in front of our house at any time. My mother would turn the light off (at night) or on (during the day) and that meant we had to come home. If we weren't back within 15 minutes, something was wrong. This just gives the children more freedom, so I don't see why it's wrong.
And many kidnappers wouldn't know of the tracer, either. Most kidnappers are not exactly the high tech, up on the news variety. They're usually psychopaths, or have a personal stake at kidnapping the victim so they're will be added security or it's a moot point anyway.
I'm not seeing disadvantages. There is no privacy lost to the child that wasn't already there, and that the parent isn't already allowing them to do.
This shit about big brother is just retarded, too. It's not big brother, it's their fucking parents, who have a lot more obligation than big brother.
Shit guys, go out into the real world, grow up, have a kid or something. The real world is not 1984. In fact, the world hasn't changed much since 1984 was written.
Second, remember this is supposably targeted at a home users. How many households do you know of that really can get 5 people at once doing something on the computer? Now make that 5 big things, because most things that people do on a computer don't need a lot of CPU.
:)
Well, considering I'm the only programmer and my girlfriend uses an 800Mhz PIII, that ceased to suit my needs, for her email, you do have a point. But this technology originally was implemented for workplace environments...
I have an idea using LCD detachable systems like tablet PCs in my house, linked over 802.11 that has the same type of system. I'm hoping that Sun really does do well with this because I would love to be able to use this. A lot of times I just want to listen to music, or do a quick websearch and that keeps me trapped in my home office. Yes, I do realize I'm spoiled
I'm on the computer day and night, albeit with programming rather than video games. I am at a desk with 4 monitors, one of which constantly has the tv going. Thanks to a fubar metabolism I eat as much (junk) food as is humanly possible without gaining a pound or having tooth decay.
It's not healthy for you to do that though. Regardless of what you think. When I was in my teenage years, I did the same. I also have a really skewed metabolism, and never have to worry about gaining weight. My parents always forced me into doing something that involved social interactions. You know what? It did me a world of good. At the time I thought they were idiots, and they didn't understand. Now, I understand they are just much more insightful than I was. When it came to intelligence, even at 12 I was long surpassed my parents. When it comes to wisdom, I don't think I'll ever be close.
I'm not judging you as a parent, or telling you what to do. Just so long as people realize there are two sides to the parent/child arrangement they shouldn't have any trouble.
I'm just saying that it's not your business to point out how people should or shouldn't raise children, and what technology they use to assist in that. The thing that people (especially most teenagers, no offense) fail to understand is that most of the time, their parents are much more smart than they realize. Or at least more wise and insightful.
But it is he who will be affected by this, not you. It will be him who will have restrictions placed on him uneccesarily, not you. And in general I think someone who is a lot closer to the age (or at least remembers how it was at that age) will be able to decide if something is unwanted and undisirable, a lot better than a parent who has the 'parental instinct' to deal with.
His opinion matters in regards to his parents now, and his future children. Him telling me it's a bad idea, or someone who worries about their young daughter is idiotic and a waste of breath.
This is like a harness in a stroller. It's a good idea to keep the child from falling out, but there are certain parents who strap them in so tightly that they can't move at all, and sometimes it even gives them trouble breathing. I've seen it, and the parents wonder why the child is crying...
There is a huge difference in saying, "That harness is too tight, you should loosen it." and "You should take the harness off, it's not good for them."
So just like in my example, you need to give children some movement space, and breathing room.
This is up to the discretion of the parent. Yes, I agree that they should. I was given a lot of freedom when I was growing up out of circumstance. I never (well, rarely) abused that freedom because the thought of doing something never entered my mind because I needed to live. A lot of my friends at the time thought it was so incredibly cool that I could do anything. They never realized that the reason why I could do anything was because I realized I shouldn't.
It's a case by case basis, and labeling technology as bad that can help parents get a handle on children who are being destructive to themselves is blind and ignorant. Above all, they have no right to speak out on what other parents view as proper, because finding out if your child is not being honest or truthful to you is not harmful to the child. The relationship may need some work, and building trust is important. It still is their responsibility as a parent to decide how accountable and involved they want to be.
I'm not suggesting a legal remedy, nor am I saying that parenting should be restricted by the government. I am saying that placing such restrictions on children is a bad idea and is rarely in their best interest.
Neither is letting your child play video games constantly, or sitting to close to the TV, or letting them eat too much junk food. For that matter, any junk food. It's not your responsibility or right to tell anybody what is right or wrong when it comes to raising children.
I care because I read George Orwell's 1984, and I saw that as a possible future.
Then be a parent, raise children how you feel it's right. Until then, unless you can communicate, with proper respect, that ideas aren't bad just because you don't agree with them, your opinion matters about as much as a... kid talking about parental issues.
When you grow up (I hate myself for sounding like this... sigh) the world will change. Just remember, it's not the spoon that bends; it's you.
My parents trust me and they make up the vast minority of parents by doing so.
Then why do you care? This is not about childrens rights, it's about parent and child relationships.