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Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) Is Available!

Not to load you up with Mandrake, but joestar writes "Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) is now officially available at a number of FTP mirrors. This version appears to be a key release for MandrakeSoft and includes many new features such as a new simplified installation procedure, ZeroConf network support, Wi-Fi support, NTFS partition resizing and a brand-new... MandrakeGalaxy theme. It's very beautiful and the whole thing has apparently very few bugs, which is a good news. A full presentation is available at Mandrake's website, download is available from their FTP page as usual. As I see it, it's certainly the most important Mandrake release since version 7.0..." Update: 03/25 21:44 GMT by T : And if you like the distro, you can do both yourself and Mandrake a favor by ordering box sets straight from them, or joining Mandrake's Club.

505 comments

  1. Why not just update the previous story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the people that care about Mandrake either will read it, or will already find out about this. Why use up a whole new story?

  2. Available? by Matey-O · · Score: 2, Funny

    'available' might be stretching things a bit.

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    1. Re:Available? by jdkincad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, the French server I'm downloading things from seems to be surrendering a lot.

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    2. Re:Available? by ViceClown · · Score: 1

      I got it. Good shot. Well done ;-)

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    3. Re:Available? by deno · · Score: 1

      It's a tradition, you know.. .-)

    4. Re:Available? by tkittel · · Score: 1

      Simply use a different mirror then.

      I used one, and got 60 MB/s out of it (yes, 60 mega bytes per second).

      And that was after it was posted on /.

      No, wont tell you what mirror (otherwise, poor mirror :=)

    5. Re:Available? by thanasakis · · Score: 1

      60 Megabytes per second? Err, I don't think your hard disk is capable of I/O of that magnitude. On the other hand , I have serious doubts whether a TCP flow can achieve transfer speeds like that. Even if your connection is 10Gigabit Ethernet, you still wouldn't be able to utilize but a small fraction of it.

    6. Re:Available? by IdleTime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yawwwwnnnnn....

      Mandrake is a great newbie distribution.
      I just read the review over at OSNews and one thing that bothers me a bit is that Mandrake seems to be just as bad as Windows wwhen it comes to loading all kinds of unecessary services. Eugenia said that the startup time was horrible due to all the services that gets started. I know it can be turned off, but how many people actually do that (except for you geeks, of course).

      Personally, I'll continue to enjoy my optimized Gentoo box, only running the services that I decide is necessary.

      Happy Linux'ing...

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    7. Re:Available? by tkittel · · Score: 1

      oops, i meant to write 6MB/s... doh, i even got it wrong in the parentheses... *blushes with shame*

    8. Re:Available? by thanasakis · · Score: 1

      But you gotta admit that it would be real nice to have a transport protocol that could download an entire CD whithin 10 seconds...:-)

    9. Re:Available? by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      Dont download from the US servers, they'll wreck your PC and then blame you for it.

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    10. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG! That was so funny I almost wet my pants.

      Luckily I got them (my pants) off in time, so I instead could urinate all over the memories of all the pathetic coalition "servicemen" who have died in "friendly fire incidents" the last couple off days.

      All I can say to them is, you were hoping for a killing, and you got it!

    11. Re:Available? by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

      I started the download just before it was posted here on my work system. It was going well at 70kbps+, but a fwe minutes later this was posted, and dropped to 4kbps. Luckily, I can just leave it downloading as long as it takes. That is my secondary work system. I love having a CD burner at work now. Yay me. hehehe

      Just thought I'd share that, even though none of you will care, and I'll most likely be modded down for off topic or overrated. =D

      ~Jon~

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    12. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's funny with stupid comments like this one is that France won more battles than american won wars! So for people always surrending, it is not so bad!
      And little americans, don't forget that without French people, you'd still be a british colony, you'd have a queen and Tony Blair as a prime minister!

    13. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cmon, we do not all hate the French. I actually like your food and hairy / smelly women!

    14. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eugenia is a fucking idiot. Are you the last person to realize this? OSNews is a joke, and a bad one at that.

    15. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not even close to as much as Dick Cheney's old company Haliburton is making.

    16. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, you are quite right.

      in fact we distinctly remember France winning a mighty battle against Greenpeace, culminating in the bombing and sinking of the Rainbow Warrior and the killing of some of its crew in New Zealand.

      a reference picked at random (unchecked)
      http://www.whoosh.org/issue18/allen2. html

      what's worse, the cowardly French agents, obviously terrorists and seen by the world as such, were hailed as heroes by their own people on their return to France.

      France knows a great deal about going against the wishes of the rest of the EC/world+dog, as nother of France's great victories in battle was against the people of Polynesia, when, contrary to the wishes of just about every government and human being on the planet, they went ahead with yet another of their little nuclear tests (cowardly carried out well out of the way of their own backyard, obviously)

      a reference picked at random (unchecked)
      http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/france_ nuclear/

      i think you see where i am going with this so i won't bother going any further, so yes, do surrender, we'll leave you to win these kinds of battles and go fight real wars ourselves.

    17. Re:Available? by Smid · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think the problem the US had this time is that they _didnt_ surrender...

    18. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mebbe you should try the Iraqi server instead.

      Har!

    19. Re:Available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      browse some of the mirrors in the older version downloads section on the mandrake download page. even though they are not listed as mirrors for 9.1 ISO's, i found the 9.1 ISO's on a bunch of them and downloaded all three ISO's in under two hours.

      here's the one that i got all three from:
      ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/iso/
      ( i guess it's somewhere in texas)

  3. 3:25pm EST not available by edgarde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Release Candidate 2 is being served from most of these servers.

    1. Re:3:25pm EST not available by Blimey85 · · Score: 1

      Check the date. If the date says 3/24 or 3/25, it's the final release. Mandrake always does this... mirrors get the final release but name it the same as the last rc version and then they just change the name. That's supposed to help it propagate to all of the mirrors much quicker.

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  4. As much as we all like freeloading by Neophytus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would encourage you all to buy the CD Set to support continuing development of this distrobution. Mandrake have been having problems recently, and every purchase counts :)

    1. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to. Although it would help if they actually sold it, which they don't.

    2. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is, by the time the CD actually ships, Mandrake will be testing 9.2!

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    3. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paid in full when they helped us fight the Brits to begin with. Ignorant parrot.

    4. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to do some reading, chief. Pot. Kettle. Black.

    5. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering the small number of people that actually voted for Bush when compared to total number of people in the country... I would consider it very stupid to blame *all* American citizens for the actions of the goof ball in office.

      Same goes for citizens of any other government. Last I checked... the French gov't didn't "take a vote" about the matter to see how the citizens felt... and, even if they did... It is unlikely everyone voted the same.

      So... stop being so stupid. You have absolutely no idea how Mandrake (the company) feels about the issue... and they (the company) don't represent the individual employees.

      My point being that very few people in this world have one bit of say what their "representatives" do or say in the large. You don't have a say, not if you are in the US... George has already said that he isn't taking a poll... he doesn't give a damn what you think or want.

      Any alignment between your wants and desires and his are pure fucking coincidence... and the sooner everyone realized that... the better.

      And while I'm on a roll...

      To all those "Americans" that have a problem with war protesters... It is a free country.

      Don't like it?

      Leave.

      Companies should be companies. Governments should be governments. And never the two should meet...

    6. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Llurien · · Score: 1

      We'll have to see how it turns out offcourse, but apparently they switched delivery services to FedEx (forgot what the name of the previous on was). As far as my experience goes, FedEx should be fairly reliable (if somewhat expensive). They had too many problems with their previous contract. Let's hope that things work better this time around.

    7. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      To all those "Americans" that have a problem with war protesters... It is a free country.

      Don't like it?

      Leave.


      The only protesters I have a problem with are the ones who are intentionally breaking the law, in order to clog up the streets, cause problems for the cops, and keep the police busy baby sitting their ass instead of doing their job.

      You don't have to agree with the prez, and you can protest, but to take away the police ability to protect (who take no sides) and cause more congestion in the city, well, that is NOT your right. It just shows you dont have enough arguement to convince others based upon the merits.

      You don't have the right to reduce the protection of the rest of us.

      Oh, and if you don't like that, YOU fucking leave. I already served my time protecting your rights. I didn't serve to protect people's right to break the law, because there is NO such right.

    8. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half of /. readers are below average? Not necesarrily. What if one person had a score of 1 and the rest had a score of 100?

    9. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another idiot unclear on the electoral process. You guys crack me up.

    10. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      would encourage you all to buy the CD Set [mandrakestore.com] to support continuing development of this distrobution.

      WTF is with you people? Didn't your shitty public school ever teach you how to spell?

      "Distrobution" must be the lastest adolescent dumbfuck misspelling on Slashdot and OSNews.

      Just because the nickname is "distro" that doesn't mean the spelling of "distribution" becomes "distrobution."

    11. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by bvwj · · Score: 1

      I paid for Mandrake 7.0. So I'll consider my debt paid in full.

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    12. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is there to be unclear about?

      Understanding the process... participating in the process... and liking the outcome of the process are all distinct.

      I've voted every single time since becoming eligible, yet... I've never voted *for* anyone... only *against* someone (or, their politics).

      I *almost* had a chance to vote for someone (McCain) until "the people that really run America" decided that they couldn't control him and killed his candidacy.

      You aren't going to insist that a system that gives us a choice between Gore and Bush isn't broken are you?

      C'mon... there are 280 MILLION people in this country!!

      You've *GOT* to be able to do better than that... you just have to...

      So, what is not being understood?

      P.S. Posting anonymously... because I fear that doing otherwise would cause harm to myself and/or my family.

      Think the gov't is going to protect my rights here? Not a chance... Obviously, it is my own fault for voicing an opinion that is "unfavorable".

    13. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by RighteousFunby · · Score: 1
      So... stop being so stupid. You have absolutely no idea how Mandrake (the company) feels about the issue... and they (the company) don't represent the individual employees.
      Just remembered that in Dr Strangelove, Mandrake was the calming influence upon a madman launching missiles every whichway and that. Hmmm...
    14. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by t0ny · · Score: 1
      I would encourage you all to buy the CD Set [mandrakestore.com] to support continuing development of this distrobution. Mandrake have been having problems recently, and every purchase counts :)

      I have four cd's with two different distros of Mandrake that I havent even looked at. So paying for free beer that Im never going to drink is probably not going to happen, in my case.

      Strangely enough, I feel compelled to leech even more bandwidth in case I ever get the hankerin' to play with linux. But since I have a Game Cube, I will probably opt to play with that first.

      Besides, I have a theory that companies based on open source cannot be successful. I can hardly be proven right if I help prop them up!

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    15. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by DarthZen · · Score: 1

      They only helped us fight the Brits once they were sure we would win. They wouldn't even listen to Franklin before that.

    16. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah so then by your logic the government should never have a surplus since it's not a business

      lol remember those words you typed next time you hear someone whine about the surplus being gone.

    17. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only protesters I have a problem with are the ones who are intentionally breaking the law, in order to clog up the streets, cause problems for the cops, and keep the police busy baby sitting their ass instead of doing their job.

      I agree totally.

      You don't have to agree with the prez, and you can protest, but to take away the police ability to protect (who take no sides) and cause more congestion in the city, well, that is NOT your right. It just shows you dont have enough arguement to convince others based upon the merits.

      I would be perfectly fine if the police went back to their speed traps... err... I mean, enforcing the law.

      I do see what you are saying, and mostly agree.

      But, you do start down a slippery slope when you say that protesters should be limited by the resources that gov't has decided to make available. (In this case the police.)

      As an aside... I often wonder if there might be less "trouble" if the people with the guns (and the cameras?) stayed away. Probably not... but I do wonder at times.

      You don't have the right to reduce the protection of the rest of us.

      Here is where we get into trouble, IMHO...

      You see, I think that the path taken was the one that reduced the protection of the rest of us.

      And I think it was done because George only has a hammer... and everything looks like a nail. That is the limit of his skill... being mean. (aka "compassionate")

      And that is not to imply that war wasn't/isn't needed. But, it could have been done in a better way... supported by the world instead of being denounced by the world.

      His dad managed it... and he wasn't that good of a president either. It just seems that he didn't care... didn't feel the *need* to, and that is part of my problem w/ him.

      Oh, and if you don't like that, YOU fucking leave.

      I do like it... it seems perfectly reasonable... except for the leaving part... which I threw in there for all the idiots that insisted that "you are with us or against us" and suggested I leave because they couldn't recognize a false dichotomy if you stuck it up their ass.

      I already served my time protecting your rights.

      Thank you.

      And I served my time protecting the constitution... Eight years, including a very small part of the last Bush re-election campaign... I mean... desert storm.

      Even in the military, not everyone does it for the same reason... but all make a sacrafice.

      Again... being against the president and/or his policies does not translate into not supporting the members of the armed service.

      I would gladly stand by and watch someone shoot George... and yet would protect fellow service-persons with my life.

      The two aren't even in the same league...

      (and for those who equate the president with the constitution... my dad asked me once if I was going to church, and I replied that I had found one where I really liked the preacher. He reminded me that it wasn't about the man... but about God.)

      I didn't serve to protect people's right to break the law, because there is NO such right.

      Believe me, the acts of treason our fore fathers committed in order to form this country were not legal.

      I believe the constitution (actually the Bill of Rights) has embeded into it the right of the "ultimate recourse". I'm sure most don't feel that way. The first ammendment doesn't rise to that level, and should never have to, IMHO.

      Whatever your reasons for serving... I appreciate it.

      BTW, I didn't serve to have people breaking the law either... and that includes George.

      Are there facts... no more than we have on Sadam. After all, if you don't let people investigate... it is hard to gather evidence.

      In retrospect, I think Clinton proved that a president is not unduly burdened by having a special prosecutor following him around... digging and scratching... and keeping an eye on things.

      I would feel much better if George had a shadow too.

    18. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Rated up as Informative?!

      Puh-leeze.

      The French were mighty late to the party during the American Revolution, but yes, we appreciated their help. But, for those keeping score at home, I think we've more than paid our debt if you consider our assistance in kicking Germany out of their country not once, but twice, in the last century.

      If you want to play the "Paid in Full" game, then let's play.

      Personally, I'm a little more interested in the "What have you done for me Lately" game.

      Ignorant parrot... Bah.

    19. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by WickedLittleSlaveBoy · · Score: 1

      they've also been historically antagonistic to the Brits, so they were working in their own self interests. they weren't helping the U.S., so much as they were hurting Britain... and history repeats itself?

    20. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon my stupidity... but... did you respond to the correct post?

      If so, I don't see the logic. Having already admitted my own stupidity... could you draw a few more lines please.

      thanks

      P.S. You are correct... I don't think the gov't should have a surplus. But I don't see how that follows from my post.

      I think that the gov't should supply the services needed... no more, no less.

      I also think it should pay its bills.

      It may be necessary to define a "window" for the budgeting that is larger than a year, but... within that window the budget should balance.

      No surplus. No deficit. No chance of happening.

      I'm more than willing to accept rounding due to the use of floating point numbers... if that helps. ;-)

    21. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let them Eat Cake!

      If they need the money, sell the product, better yet sell the company to someone who knows how capitalism works!

    22. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm using an American OS - Slackware!

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    23. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by fragged+one · · Score: 0

      jeez, did someone become the ass of a joke in english class? you sound like you're trying to get retribution. simply pathetic.....

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    24. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      based on stuff by that finnish traitor...

    25. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound like you're trying to get retribution.

      Don't you mean retrobution?

    26. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Xerithane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To all those "Americans" that have a problem with war protesters... It is a free country.

      You are right.

      It is a free country. I have a right to drive home from work without being stuck in a traffic jam because some assholes are blocking traffic because they believe their message is more important. I have a right to not worry about my car getting vandalized and spit on while I'm driving, because I happened to get stuck in your un-announced, infantile protests.

      You do not have a right to stop me on my travels, no more than I have a right to hit you in the face for it.

      If you want to protest, you do it right. You don't block traffic, you don't assault cops, you don't throw things at people and buildings.

      You are abusing what is the right of assembly, because what is happening is not peaceful assembly.

      How would you like it if everytime you got in your car a message played for something you don't agree with that you couldn't turn down or turn off. How is that right.

      Read my journal for more ranting about this subject, until then Fuck the protestors.

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    27. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by fragged+one · · Score: 0

      har har har

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    28. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      Excellent post. be sure to read this. I made you a slashdot friend.

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    29. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. Mod this up.

    30. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have a right to drive home from work without being stuck in a traffic jam because some assholes are blocking traffic because they believe their message is more important."

      You are guilty of the logical fallacy of making hasty generalizations. Not all anti-war protests are violent. You can't abandon our rights to assembly over one incident. If everyone was like you, we would still have slavery because everyone should arrest those damned black rights protesters... "Fuck them" according to you? A majority of them are excersising their legal rights to assembly.

      Think before you speak.

      BTW - Sorry for the Anonymous Coward posting, I am too lazy to log in, but my screen name is Enum if anyone feels the need to know.

    31. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by jhunsake · · Score: 1

      One important point that you forgot to make is that those are all violations of the law. The right to protest does not give you the right to break the law.

      I'm with you, Fuck the protestors!

    32. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 1

      I am intrigued. Where are these rights of which you speak enumerated?

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    33. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Tyreth · · Score: 1
      What is the point of buying it to support a company that can only survive by getting customers out of sympathy? If it's a support purchase now that will eventually lead them to standing on their own two feet, then maybe.

      But if it's the only way they'll ever be able to make a profit, then what's the point?

    34. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Actually, you don't have those rights. None of them.

      Learn what a right is.

      Other than that, I agree - fuck the protestors. The war's stupid, but the protestors are more stupid.

      "Uhh, gee, like, huhh... war's bad..er...no.. NO BLOOD FOR...what was it again? oh yeah, OIL. NO OIL FOR BLOOD!"

    35. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

      Boxed sets are an old-hat way of showing support.

      I join Mandrake Club and download ISOs.

      I get MDK9.1 the day it comes out. Mandrake get finances.

      Welcome to the 21st century!!!

    36. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no kidding.... i literally finally recieved the copy of the 9.0 powerpack (that i ordered in november) 4 days ago. until they get their fucking ordering system working as well as their distro, i'm going to be a freeloader. the people running this company are obviosly geeks and not business oriented at all. if they're too stupid to take care of customers paying for the boxed product, then they don't deserve the support that is being offered.

    37. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      It is human nature to work for your self-interest.

      Its *political* nature to have *others* work for your self-interest.

    38. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Smid · · Score: 1

      " I would encourage you all to buy the CD Set [mandrakestore.com] to support continuing development of this distrobution."

      Actually no. People complain that they have to buy a new MS OS every 2 years. With Mandrake, its every three months...

    39. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

      Yes I do. Tell me where it says I don't. Otherwise, I have the right to do anything which doesn't infringe on the rights of anyone else. Maybe you should learn what a right is. A right isn't given to you by government. Government is instituted to protect the rights which we inherently possess. To enable it to do so, we the people grant certain rights to government - but the rights are still ours.

    40. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by javilon · · Score: 1

      What about Mandrake Club?

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    41. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My views:

      Just because Bush is an idiot doesn't make Saddam Hussein a humanitarian.

      Just because Bush is an idiot doesn't make it a good idea for other world leaders to act like idiots, too.

      IMHO, Bush is probably doing the right thing, he just went about it entirely the wrong way. First, I'm not sure that containment wasn't working. Second, if one decides that continament wasn't going to work, here's my scenario for how to play it:

      The US goes to the UN and says, "Terrorism is born of people without hope. We feel that the people of Iraq, living in over a decade of sanctions, may be losing hope. Therefore we would like to see sanctions against Iraq lifted." Of course we don't really want that, *and neither do any of Iraq's neighbors.* So they *they* push back into arms inspection, and *they* push Saddam Hussein when he starts acting up to his old tricks. Because containment is in their best interests even more than ours, we let them assume the political burden. Of course if someone came up with the idea of "forceful weapons inspections" we'd be happy to assist. Personally, I like the idea of armed inspectors with armed surveillance of planned inspection sites.

    42. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Actually, you don't have those rights. None of them.

      I don't have a right to freedom of movement?

      Sure, whatever you say. Try to stop me, you hold me prisoner, and I will escape in whatever means necessary.

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    43. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by insecuritiez · · Score: 1

      Really? Red Hat is in the black.

    44. Re:As much as we all like freeloading by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and each of those people has the right to assemble, the right to travel, and the right to hold up signs.

      Your problem is you're too egocentric: you think you have rights, but nobody else does.

      If you think you have the right to a traffic free commute, you better start suing every other driver on the highway for infringing upon your god-given rights.

  5. Hooray for zeee Germans by EvilAlien · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've already sucked it down from the German mirror (no longer listed on Mandrake's site) and I'm burning the 3rd disk and starting a test install shortly... w00t!

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    1. Re:Hooray for zeee Germans by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

      How is this a troll? Talk about serious mod abuse.

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    2. Re:Hooray for zeee Germans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucked it down from the Germans, huh? You must be French.

    3. Re:Hooray for zeee Germans by hexstatik · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you're american.

  6. Re:DUPE by siteTHREE · · Score: 1

    The last one was talking about a review with "The release just around the corner". This one is announcing the actual release.

    2 different stories.

  7. You're not Miguel de Icaza by Frothy+Walrus · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and I know this because the real Miguel is two doors down from me, and I know his real Slashdot ID.

    --Nathaniel Friedman
    CEO, Ximian Inc.

    1. Re:You're not Miguel de Icaza by NightEyez · · Score: 0

      I'm Spartacus!

  8. mirrors beautiful mirrors by nocomment · · Score: 1

    Can I have some more?

    Some lucky people already got it. I am unfortuanelly victim to the dreaded "421 too many users" message. Anyone with a high speed connection that can mirror this?

    and by high speed I mean more than a t-1 cuz it's gonna get saturated.

    --
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    /* http://allyourbasearebelongto.us */
    1. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by joestar · · Score: 1

      Subscribe to the Mandrake Club, and you'll get access to an extended list of mirrors. It also offers other great features such as the instant download access to 50,000 Mandrake RPMS. There is also a feature in 9.1 that gives access to most 9.1 applications available at MandrakeClub (should be linked to the 50,000 packages stuff...!), just by entering login/password in a wizard... I tried to play with this feature today and it's a new way of experiencing an operating system, really. Need a new software? get it in the list, click to download and install, you get it...

    2. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by jd142 · · Score: 1

      Ditto on the subscribe to Mandrake Club advice. I'm sucking the iso's down at close to a megabyte a second right now, not bad with only a 10 megabit switch in the closet. (Stupid University, upgrade us to 100 megabit some time this decade or before 1 gigabit becomes obsolete.)

    3. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Rinikusu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the things I rarely see on KazAa or eMule are linux .iso's. If anything, here's a perfect example of a potential legitimate usage for P2P.

      --
      If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
    4. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Christ, for $60/yr minimum, I could get a RedHat subscription ...

    5. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better check the ed2k networks again. I see SuSE(even OpenExchange) releases, RedHat enterprise, Xandros(full w/Crossover office) and several releases of Lindows.

      among other things, I see Openstep, Solaris, eComstation, several official OS/2 releases, several Netware releases, several releases of Accelerated-X and some various full Crossover releases. maybe you're connecting to the wrong servers, or maybe global searches?

    6. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Llurien · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I'm downloading as we speak at the full 3Mb/s that my DSL line supports. I've been pretty satisfied with 9.0 so far, since it was the first distro that got my USB speedtouch modem working without too much hassle. There were a few minor bumps on the road, but hey, I learned a lot about Linux in fixing them. I have great expectations of the 9.1, let's just hope I'm not dissapointed.

    7. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Ponty · · Score: 1

      "Need a new software? get it in the list, click to download and install, you get it..."

      Or get Debian :-)

    8. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by deno · · Score: 1

      Guess what: that wouldn't do you much good with Mandrake distro.

      And that's where Club comes in.

    9. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go root yet? send me IP/login info when you get it, I have 40,000 advertisements to send and my scan for non-blacklisted open relays is coming up with nada...

    10. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by ripewithdecay · · Score: 1

      I normally shoot right to FileMirrors.com for Linux ISOs. But they don't have anything yet.

    11. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by jejones · · Score: 1

      I just subscribed to the Mandrake Club, and I'm finding maybe a couple of mirrors listed with transfer rates running about 1.2K/sec. I don't think that's a good rate for transferring three CD images...

      I hasten to add that I'm glad I subscribed, and urge others interested in Mandrake to do so as well...but oy, it's frustrating to find, after staying up way too late getting 9.1 rc2, that I shouldn't have bothered and probably won't be able to bother for a while yet.

    12. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or fbsd

    13. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by jd142 · · Score: 1

      Keep hitting refresh in your browser. The list of mirrors at Mandrake Club is constantly changing as servers get saturated. If you wait 5 minutes, you should see some more servers appear and one of them should be faster. A lot of club members are downloading too, so it is not surprising that the load gets a little heavy.

      The Club listings aren't meant to be a guarantee of availability or dl speed, but they are a different set of mirrors than get published on the regular website.

    14. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by jejones · · Score: 1

      Ah. Turns out I didn't look in the right place. I'm now downloading the pertinent .iso files at a reasonable clip, though that took some rummaging around even among the "members only" mirrors.

      (Sigh...I'd just grabbed the release candidate version last night after reading a nice Mandrake Audio Workstation HOWTO. Mutter, mumble.)

    15. Re:mirrors beautiful mirrors by opkool · · Score: 1

      Get a Mandrake Club membership and:

      - you get an email when the distro is ready
      - click on the URL in the email to the ftp links for MDK-Club members
      - Download your ISOs at ~3000 KBit/s (yes, 1 iso = 30 minutes)
      - Access to campus.mandrakeclub.com
      - get discounts for Mandrake products and others (Win4Lin, Opera...)

      I say it pays :)

  9. Great News! by stevezero · · Score: 1

    I've always appreciated Mandrake Linux (I'm using it now.)

    Having used both rc1, and rc2, let me be the first to say that I am impressed with this release, and it is well worth the money to support them.

    Despite the fact that Mandrake is in financial trouble, it is reassuring to know that they still are producing.

    I would suggest that everyone who wants to see Linux take over the desktop market seriously consider supporting these as well as other distributions, whether by opening your minds or your wallets.

    1. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Having used both rc1, and rc2, let me be the first to say that I am impressed with this release, and it is well worth the money to support them.

      I take it from the above statement that RC3 is the proper one to be downloading?

    2. Re:Great News! by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      yeah. snag rc3, it's final. rc2 has some dhcp bugs that i've noticed, taht are fixed (zeroconf rulezors baby) in final (rc3)

      --


      Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
  10. my hopes and dreams by SethJohnson · · Score: 1


    My biggest hope here is that they have provided a REAL upgrade path from earlier versions. If anyone knows whether this is the case, please let me know. I'll gladly renew my club membership and then upgrade both my production servers from 8.2 to 9.1.
    1. Re:my hopes and dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problems for me, three machines from 8.2 to 9.0 to 9.1. Dunno why everyone complains/worries about this, just put /home in its own partition.

      Good luck

    2. Re:my hopes and dreams by fcrozat · · Score: 1

      Upgrade IS working since 9.0..

      You can either use DrakX (the installer) to do the upgrade or do it yourself using urpmi --auto-select.

    3. Re:my hopes and dreams by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      My notebook was sucessfully upgraded from 8.2 to 9.0. My desktop had some wierd problems so I did a clean install of 9.0. I have since sucessfully upgraded 9.0 to now 9.1rc2. When I finally have the final iso's I will be upgradeing both.

      --
      Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
    4. Re:my hopes and dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      upgrade path:
      format /
      don't format /home
      you did use LVM so you can grow/shrink them and gave them separate logical volumes right?

  11. NTFS partition resizing? by Lxy · · Score: 1

    Is this a GPL'd feature? Last I checked, the linux-NTFS project was unable to resize an NTFS partition.

    --

    There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
    :wq
    1. Re:NTFS partition resizing? by Lxy · · Score: 1

      nevermind, it's listed as stable on linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net

      --

      There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
      :wq
    2. Re:NTFS partition resizing? by fcrozat · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is.. Thanks to ntfsresize .

    3. Re:NTFS partition resizing? by Cheesy+Fool · · Score: 2, Insightful
      --

      Hail to the king, baby!
  12. 2.4.21 isn't out yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Amazing! It is based off of a future kernel!

  13. I don't know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like a -great- distribution, but there's not much "security" in using it..the company might not even be there tomorrow. I'd really like to have Mandrake installed on all the CS lab machines here to be honest, but when I bring it up to them their first question is, "Where will we get updates if they go bankrupt?" It's a shame, because it's probably the best distribution I've used :/

    1. Re:I don't know.. by TCaptain · · Score: 1

      Its linux...how about just getting your updates elsewhere like plf or sourceforge or the author of whatever software you want to update?

      Since when are you locked into your vendor?

      --
      "I'm not a procrastinator, I'm temporally challenged"
    2. Re:I don't know.. by iChild · · Score: 1

      Mandrake is a 100% GPL'd distro, not unlike Debian, so it will still be there if they fold. Also, The userbase is very large and they have a !very! active community. I suspect that even if the company folds "Mandrake the distro" will continue to thrive. I can see it becoming a sort of user-friendly Debian.

    3. Re:I don't know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Debian leaves you an upgrade path. If Mandrake used Debian's package management, it would be almost perfect. And no, URPMI is not close to apt-get...

  14. I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    if this distro will be popular in Singapore.

    1. Re:I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if it will be popular with Pandas

    2. Re:I wonder ... by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Yes, it seems to be. Hot off from a Singaporean linux mailing list:-

      Hello people, wondering if you like to eat bamboo shoots? If so, you might be keen to try Mandrake-Linux 9.1 codenamed Bamboo.

      Oh wait; William, is that you? :-)

  15. Another interesting link about Mandrake 9.1... by joestar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Duval was interviewed today at Tweakhound.com about this new release and other MandrakeSoft projects:
    http://www.tweakhound.com/mdk9/articles/mdk9_1inte rview.htm


    What do you see as Mandrake's advantage over other Linux distributions?

    Firstly Mandrake is certainly one of the most innovative Linux distribution. It also offers unique features such as supermount or the dynamic-device desktop. The hardware support is also one of the best available on the Linux distribution market so far. Internationalization is also a key-point because only 40% of our users speak English.

    Worth a read!

  16. Big friggin' whoop.... by Howard+Beale · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's not like it's a new release of Debian. Now THAT'S something to get excited about!

    1. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen.

    2. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, brother!

    3. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      No, that's something to look indifferent about, if you're a real Debian user, you're already updated anyway.

    4. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 1
      it's not like it's a new release of Debian. Now THAT'S something to get excited about!

      Yeah. Once a decade.

    5. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it's not like it's a new release of Debian. Now THAT'S something to get excited about!

      I've heard the've decided to stop doing releases in step with Halley's Comet, so maybe we'll get another stable in our lifetime..

    6. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Nameles · · Score: 1

      Like getting a woody?

    7. Re:Big friggin' whoop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like I give a shit about Debian.
      It's a big deal to Mandrake fans, mmkay???

  17. ISO images by DavidLeblond · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't get to the servers. Does anyone know if they're still using the 700 mb ISOs? My ghetto CD burner chokes after about 670mb.

    1. Re:ISO images by bobibleyboo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope 9.1 is back to 650 mb cd images for this verry reason

    2. Re:ISO images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I checked their servers a little earlier, and I recall the ISO's floating around the 650mb mark.

      Hope this helps.

    3. Re:ISO images by Malc · · Score: 1

      What about a net installer? Have they implemented this yet, or are they still needing lessons from Debian? I'm on Mandrake 8.1 and see little need to upgrade at the moment.

    4. Re:ISO images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isos shut be 650 now

    5. Re:ISO images by Strog · · Score: 1

      I've been able to do network installs of mandrake since version 6.0. I setup a local mirror and do all my installs this way. Much faster and easier and urpmi knows were to pull release packages from automatically if you do it this way.

  18. Re:DUPE by frankthechicken · · Score: 1

    The last one was talking about a review with "The release just around the corner". This one is announcing the actual release.

    I believe the initial "dupe" claim, was for the dupe that is "just around the corner".

  19. Few bugs... who could possibly say? by foolip · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...the whole thing has apparently very few bugs, which is a good news.

    This is a really strange statement. How can you know that there are few bugs when it has just been released? Of course the people who made it wouldn't have released it if they knew there were a lot of bugs, but making the connection to few bugs is... well unfounded. For a system like Debian woody with a 2.2 kernel you can probably safely talk about very few bugs, since it's been out and about and tested for very long.

    1. Re:Few bugs... who could possibly say? by slux · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eh, 2.4 has been out a long time too but the kernel isn't the only piece of software that can be buggy in a distribution. Saying that there are few bugs is based on trying the release candidates and staying up to date with cooker before the release. In 9.1 most things really work and they do it well. That cannot be said for all Mandrake releases in the past. 9.0 had some issues for example, the worst of them being that supermount was broken. Having used all the release candidates and the final from cooker I can say that 9.1 has less bugs than 9.0 or 8.1 for example. I'd say it seems to be of the same high quality that 8.2 was. Definitely the best Mandrake release I've used.

    2. Re:Few bugs... who could possibly say? by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I just looked in BugZilla and doing a query on all the UNCONFIRMED, NEW, NEEDINFO, ASSIGNED, and REOPENED (ignoring the RESOLVED, VERIFIED and CLOSED bugs), there are 1459 bugs.

      Now, I haven't followed this closely so I don't know if that's a little or a lot. I do remember that one version of Windows (2000? XP?) had over 64K bugs when it was released, so compared to that it's an order of magnitude and a half better. But I don't know how bad each bug is in either case, either, so this isn't much of a comparison.

      (Btw, the total of the three I ignored is 1848, so about half the reported bugs have been fixed. Again, no data on the severity of the fixed vs. open bugs...)

      --
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    3. Re:Few bugs... who could possibly say? by bogie · · Score: 1

      "How can you know that there are few bugs when it has just been released?"

      Because its running a pre-release kernel of course!

      Personally I'm very happy to see they are still around. We need more easy to install and use distros, not less.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    4. Re:Few bugs... who could possibly say? by javahacker · · Score: 1

      The reason most of the bugs in that 1459 are in UNCONFIRMED, NEEDINFO, and REOPENED is because of people who are participating in the testing process who don't stay up to date. Since all BugZilla reports are forwarded to the Mandrake cooker mailing list now, they get looked at by many people.

      If the bug is UNCONFIRMED, then it was probably seen by only 1 tester, and may not be a bug at all, or may be dependent on an odd hardware setup.

      If the bug is NEEDINFO, then the bug reporter never submitted enough information for anyone to duplicate it, so it was impossible to fix, or to confirm the presence of.

      If the bug is REOPENED, it probably represents a disagreement between the reporter and Mandrakesoft. Mandrakesoft closed it, either because it duplicated another bug report, or because they felt it was operating as intended.

      Having used the current version of cooker from 9.0 thru the 9.1 release, I can tell you that most users won't find any serious problems, and that 1459 bug count is not a useful number to talk about. I think this release was pounded on by a very large number of people, and Mandrakesoft did a great job in clearing out the bugs. My personal view is that there are very few bugs that your average user will see. As always, if you have unusual hardware, you may find something no one else has, but that will always be the case.

      In case you were wondering, I am not an employee of Mandrakesoft, but I am a Mandrake Club Silver level member. You could probably even say I was a fan, since I've been consistently selecting their product for several years over the other distributions.

    5. Re:Few bugs... who could possibly say? by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      I reported a dhcp bug the other day. there were like 15 copies of taht bug - unfortunately no one reads bug reports before they post...so there are a lot of dupe's.

      btw, it's fixed in 9.1. so take out 15 bugs from your total... :D

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  20. LOL you wouldn't be trolling a troll would you by Miguel+de+Icaza · · Score: 1

    why are you reading about Mandrake then? its a KDE-bias distro... nothing for you to see here :^)

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    1. Re:LOL you wouldn't be trolling a troll would you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      maybe he's drooling over a desktop environment that's more than just a dock???

    2. Re:LOL you wouldn't be trolling a troll would you by The+J+Kid · · Score: 1

      *ouch*

      That gotta hurt.... =)

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    3. Re:LOL you wouldn't be trolling a troll would you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, that huge bias that would require someone to click a mouse and get the gnome desktop.
      There default menu is niether KDE or gnome biased. sheesh.

      And if it was, would GNOME developers have resposibility to find out what they can to ensure GNOME will run on mandrake?

      OTOH, I've always considered you to have your head up your arse.

  21. No, fuck them! by Try+to+think+about+i · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's their choice to either make it available for download, or only offer the CDs. But all this "you can download, but please buy the CDs anyway" whining just makes me sick.

    1. Re:No, fuck them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ignore it. And don't comment on it.

      Thank you.

    2. Re:No, fuck them! by rutledjw · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's not whining, you jerk. It's supporting something that has value. _IF_ you value the work they are doing, buy the CDs! Because if you don't support them, Mandrake will go from a Chapter-11 type status to GONE.

      Then where will you be? Whining that RedHat doesn't offer free downloads. Sheeesh...

      I use Slackware and I support em! They don't even sell CDs, but I think they do good work and I want them to stay around, so... Otherwise, I'll end up whining that RedHat (Or SuSE, or whomever) doesn't offer free downloads any longer.

      It's not expensive and it's worthwhile.

      --

      Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
    3. Re:No, fuck them! by ebbomega · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're right. Drake doesn't offer anything to paying people at all.

      Except for, well... professional support that's not all condescending if you don't copy-paste lsmod and lspci in all your questions... and non-slashdotted servers with which you can download the files so it doesn't grind to a halt like the one I'm downloading off of (I think I broke 4 kB/s... Woohoo!)

      Nope. Nothing useful at all.

      Or, heh... you know... maybe people could choose to support a company because they're not all proprietary and demand that you pay for their product, thus making people that want to use it for free criminals... But no, that would be stupid and naieve. I mean, think of all the pr0n sites you could visit with that whole $40/year.

      People like you are why I feel ashamed of the world today.

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    4. Re:No, fuck them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not whining, you jerk. It's supporting something that has value. _IF_ you value the work they are doing, buy the CDs! Because if you don't support them, Mandrake will go from a Chapter-11 type status to GONE.

      Oh BOO HOO!

      Then where will you be? Whining that RedHat doesn't offer free downloads. Sheeesh...

      Downloading and using Debian which is FREE. I'd rather donate to Debian than to Mandrake.

      Of course, with Debian you don't have the huge amount of whiny users that we seem to notice creep out with every M4ndr4k3 article that's released here.

      Mandrake could stop making their Linux and it wouldn't bother me a bit, nor would it bother thousands of other Linux users. I tell you who it would REALLY bother, the loyal brown nosed M4ndr4k3 zealots who cling to their precious color status (gold, silver, whatever) who are then out of luck! What distro would they flock to next? Probably another one that closely resembles W1nd0wZ so they wouldn't have to really learn the OS or command line.

      GUI-tards.

    5. Re:No, fuck them! by fragged+one · · Score: 0

      although i agree that it's asinine and ludicrous to bitch at people for not paying for the cd's, even though they offer a FREE download, i think that it's a good suggestions. mandrake makes a superior gui linux os, and i want it to keep making good products.

      so, support if you want to, but mandrake gives it away. there's nothing wrong with not paying for it----and that's according to mandrake themselves.

      --
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    6. Re:No, fuck them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like SuSE. I've downloaded it to various degrees a zillion times. I've also purchased three full retail box sets three times because f--- it, I don't want to sit there at my computer for a week downloading 7 gigs for every major release. I also don't want to go through piecemeal every distribution of software that makes up an installation to get a full and clean install.

      I like it, I pay for it and I hardly fault the people at SuSE for charging me a tiny fraction of what it would cost me in time to copy their product. Big, fat, hairy deal.

      Considering most programmers, analysts and network techs charge more for an hour of work than Mandrake is merely suggesting you maybe think about paying, this mudslinging is just ridiculous.

    7. Re:No, fuck them! by shellbeach · · Score: 1
      Drake doesn't offer anything to paying people at all. Except for, well... [Mandrake Club, etc]

      Yes, that's all well and good - in fact that's Mandrake's business model. But that's not what the parent poster said. Admitedly he didn't phrase it in the nicest language, but I think he may have a point.

      After all, what is the point of OpenSource software if not to be freely available to everyone? And once you make people feel that they have a moral obligation to pay anyway for something which is free, aren't you taking away that freedom? By all means donate money if you feel like it, but if someone choses not to, that shouldn't automatically make them "stupid and naieve", should it?

      And the whole "pay for Mandrake even though it's a free download" concept worries me even more when you consider that Mandrake is not GNU or the FSF but rather a company that is out to make a profit. If they can make a profit through providing support and related services, then good luck to them - that's how RedHat's succeeding, after all! But I'm not sure whether they should become a pseudo-charity if this business model of theirs doesn't work ...

      Don't get me wrong, I'm really not too sure where I stand on this one; I only think that the situation isn't quite as black-and-white as you make out ...

    8. Re:No, fuck them! by madpuppy · · Score: 1

      you don't have much of a life, do you?

    9. Re:No, fuck them! by ebbomega · · Score: 1

      Well, good discussion (dear Lord... Intelligence on Slashdot?) but the main point of disagreeance is here:

      After all, what is the point of OpenSource software if not to be freely available to everyone?

      This is probably one of the biggest misconceptions in the software world, and it's the same as all the FUD that Microsoft tries to put forth.

      There's a difference between Free as in accessibility and Free as in Beer. Free as in Beer is saying "You don't need to pay for anything that we provide. It's all free of charge." FSF and the GNU GPL say nothing to this point. Linux happens to be publically available simply because Linus decided to make it so, and as such Linux is Free as in beer.

      Free as in accessibility is based on a simple enough concept: Once you have a piece of software, it's _YOURS_. EULAs these days seem to be based around "Well, its yours but you're not allowed to reverse-engineer it or do anything you want to with it outside of what we say." This isn't so much a business model (which is why FSF and GNU aren't businesses) as it is just a principle of distribution. So the GPL merely says distribute source code and allow people to tinker with it all they want once they become the proprietors of the product. The only stipulation is that anybody who wants to redistribute any part of the code must release said modifications under the GPL.

      Again, often Linux is not the best business example of GPL use because Linux is not a business. But any software can be released under the GPL and still be made to pay for (See: Lindows).

      Mandrake is based on the Honour System more than anything. Try out their latest product for as long as you want. Beta Test, give us bug reports, if you really like what we do, consider sending us money. Sure, you're perfectly available not to (I haven't yet... although as soon as I get gainful employment I assure you I'll be signing up for MandrakeClub) but the idea is: Mandrake is currently on the brink of Bankruptcy. I _really_ like their product, and I would hate to see them go down. As a result, I'm going to do what I can to prevent that happening: Give them money. It's the same deal as Public Television... Pledge your money, the product remains, you get a perk or two (Limited Edition Red Dwarf T-shirt, Citizen Kane DVD, Subscription to magazine, etc.).

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    10. Re:No, fuck them! by shellbeach · · Score: 1
      I see your point, although I'm not sure about the whole pay-for-GPL'd software idea. I understand that you can charge for GPL'd software, although considering the fact that anyone who has a copy can distribute it as they wish I can't see such a business model working for long (this presumably applies to lindows as well, although in lindows case there may not be any copying since I don't think anyone actually uses it! or, for that matter, wants to ...)

      As someone who is currently writing some bioinformatics software which I imagine will be quite useful (the only equivalent programs are expensive, less accurate and - needless to say - closed source) and which I'm intending to release under the GPL, I can say from personal feeling that I do not want to be "rewarded" for writing it and giving it away for free. I've written it partly because I needed to, but mainly for enjoyment. I don't want money for it!!

      I currently use Mandrake 9.0, but while I can see the virtues of the distro as far as others are concerned I'm unlikely to ever upgrade or pay for it. In fact, if I was to change distro I'd probably be a lot more inclined to switch to something like Crux (which is completely open and free, and makes my ancient P120 laptop fly: I admire it for its lack of bloat and for the fact that it's teaching me how to set up a linux system). As it stands, most of the software I use on my current Mandrake system has been compiled by me (from X toolkits upwards - the exceptions are the kernel (because I'm lazy), the GNU tools (no real advantage to compiling yourself AFAICS) and X (takes too long and uses up too much disk space)) so I can't say I'd really miss Mandrake if it suddenly collapsed.

      For that matter, since all the Mandrake tools are GPL'd anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Mandrake didn't continue to live on in some shape or form even if the company went bankrupt. The only thing I would expect to change would be that support would no longer be provided in the form of the Mandrake Club.

  22. Special bonus included with the CD! by Artifex · · Score: 1

    This song!

    (just kidding)

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  23. Upgrade path concerns by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    I have mandrake 9 on my laptop and am very happy with it...however, being not a linux guru at all (which, in itself is testimony to how good mandrake is), upgrading versions very much concerns me. Can anyone comment on what kind of issues I can expect to experience during an upgrade from 9 to 9.1 (just general issues like is it a full reinstall, will it blow away data etc)

    1. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, this is exactly one of the main question that "prevents" me from switching to linux (aside from games, obviously - though there's a lot of emulators, so I'm only talking big releases here, like World of Warcraft).

      Can you "install" 9.1 on top of 9.0 without losing anything? (and if you lose something, what is it exactly? Do you lose, say, JPEGs and MP3s (all hard disk content) or only desktop settings and stuff like that?

      Yes, this is a newb question - but not everyone wants to use linux because they're "leet" or even programmers.

      Learn to help the newbs, they'll only help the linux user base to grow bigger and bigger!

    2. Re:Upgrade path concerns by AnotherSteve · · Score: 1

      I originally started using Mandrake a few years back because on my first laptop it would see the network card and Red Hat wouldn't. (I'm no guru - I needed it to work as installed.) I've been very happy with the upgrades from them. I'm running 9.0 on the new laptop, and as soon as the download frenzy dies down, I'll do the 9.1 upgrade. Not worried at all about the new packages sliding into place. You have a choice during the install about whether you want a full new install or an upgrade. Just make sure to choose upgrade and you'll be fine.

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    3. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I usually do is put my /home directory on a seperate partition and then I can re-install different operating systems as much as I want without losing any of my personal data.

      Mandrake's installation is particularly friendly towards this approach. Others may not be as friendly - I recently tried to install arklinux and it pretty much insisted on setting up all its own partitions.

    4. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Dstrct0 · · Score: 1

      IANAMU (I Am Not A Mandrake User), but every time I've upgraded my RedHat boxes, it has been pretty simple. Almost like a windows upgrade. Insert CD, reboot, select "Upgrade" option once the installer is running, and voila.

      Last time I upgraded (like 3 days ago), when I logged back into my computer it asked if I wanted to keep my old desktop settings, or replace them with the new ones. I opted to keep my old ones, and had no trouble with it.

      All my files were left intact, and I even migrated them to a nicer filesystem when I upgraded.

      As far as gaming goes, the situation there is getting better all the time. Besides, Quake III and Half-Life run on it, what else do you really need? :)

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    5. Re:Upgrade path concerns by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If you stay within one distribution, and have home (and for me /usr/local, and a few special ones) on a separate disk partition, you shouldn't have any trouble... as long as you don't tell it to reformat that partition when it comes time to install a new system.

      For some silly reason, the distributions seem to have trouble about agreeing on partition table formats, however, so if you switch between distributions be prepared to loose everything. Between Mandrake and Red Hat the partition tables "almost agree", and offer you the choice to "continue despite errors" (paraphrase). I've always played that one safe.. and depended on backups.

      That said, I should admit that this only applies to switching between Red Hat and Mandrake ... which was once transparently easy. I have no idea how the Debian based distributions fit into this, whether they are compatible between themselves, or whether they can just re-partition /boot & /, and install naturally. But last I checked they didn't use a /boot partition, so it's bound to be different.

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    6. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      upgrade is indeed an option in the new one, but i didn't try it. It auto-detected my currently installed version (rc2) automagically though, which was neato.

      btw, your sig made me laugh.

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    7. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "will it blow away data"

      It won't blow away *my* data ;-) Some stuff you may want to backup: /etc
      most configuration info /var
      databases, mail spools ... /home
      at least be certain not to reformat it, and
      to make a copy of your dotfiles. I always backup .kde and .gnome before upgrading them. /boot
      kernel and bootstrap stuff /usr/local
      Make sure you don't let it get reformatted. /var/lib/modules*
      Your device drivers. If a problem crops up in the new version, it's handy to see what you had before.

    8. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      (Doh! forgot to preview. This looks better.)

      "will it blow away data"

      It won't blow away *my* data ;-) Some stuff you may want to backup:

      /etc
      most configuration info

      /var
      databases, mail spools ...

      /home
      at least be certain not to reformat it, and
      to make a copy of your dotfiles. I always backup .kde and .gnome before upgrading them.

      /boot
      kernel and bootstrap stuff

      /usr/local
      Make sure you don't let it get reformatted.

      /var/lib/modules*
      Your device drivers. If a problem crops up in the new version, it's handy to see what you had before.

    9. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just updated from 9.0 (which itself was updated from 8.x) six months or so ago. And I am impressed. I tried 7.0 and 6.0 as updates and then just did a clean install.

      This time no major problems. A few minor inconveniences but since settings are stored in home and data is in home and I chose update packages I had no major problems.

      Nice config tools. Nice packages. (Though my own build of lyx with the qt frontend got nuked. But that's no worry.

    10. Re:Upgrade path concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figure the 30-60 min to back data up to another partition/drive is worth it.. nice clean install ;)

  24. -1 Troll is moderator abuse by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is not a troll. Please try not to mod comments down due to jealousy or being asleep at the wheel.

    Mandrake put up a release notice on their site over 2.5 hours ago, and the mirrors list has been dynamically updated as access and load changed. The German mirror (ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de) is no longer listed and accepting connections, however I was able to pull the three disks down at about 360 kB/s average. ftp://linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/iso/ was also fairly rapid, but was overloaded before the Esslingen server was.

    There are currently no North American servers listed for the i586 ISOs, many still carry the RC images however.

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    1. Re:-1 Troll is moderator abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Please try not to mod comments down due to jealousy or being asleep at the wheel."

      Then don't come across as "I got mine already, from a site you can't even get to anymore, haha". It likely got -1 Troll because there is no -1 Twit. None of the stuff you mention in your second msg is in the first.

    2. Re:-1 Troll is moderator abuse by EvilAlien · · Score: 1
      AC, I will be sure to be sensitive to the possibility of petty jealousy from /. mods in the future. Believe it or not, I hadn't occured to me that someone would get childish and upset about it.

      After seeing the mod down I figured that some detailed information on the two unavailable mirrors would be of interest, despite the information being ABSOLUTELY USELESS since the mirrors had stopped accepting connections.

      BTW, when I started the Czech mirror seemed to be a bit faster for my connection from N. America than the other early mirrors, so it might be a decent option for those who can't wait. There is one up now from the United States:
      ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/iso/ (Hawaii)

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  25. I'm running it now by lpret · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I downloaded it all night, and now it's installed and very happy. This is perhaps the easiest version (much less distro) of Mandrake I've used. Some key things that jumped out at me:
    • Better auto-configuration at installation. It was able to detect everything perfectly -- down to model number. This is a definite change from 9.0 in which I had to configure my printer, scanner, and sound card.

    • !--Note, I read the earlier review at OSnews and our good friend Eugenia was discussing an issue in which it didn't detect the right sound card (it found the Audigy instead of emu10k), well, I have the same card as her, and it found it fine and it sounds great. --!
    • It's a much cleaner look. Blame it on the widgets, but it is a much better look and something that will definitely help it as it matures.
    • Better support for my GeForce4. I was unable to get any decent gameplay under 9.0, but in 9.1 it runs great, divx plays smooth, and I'm once again happy.
    • Easy installation. This is a non-issue for most of us, but I am now able to recommend my grandmother to install this on her own. It really is that simple.
    These are the first things I can think of, I've had it running for a total of 12 minutes (and I'm already back on slashdot!) so there may be some other issues I've yet to come across.
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    1. Re:I'm running it now by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Better support for my GeForce4. I was unable to get any decent gameplay under 9.0, but in 9.1 it runs great, divx plays smooth, and I'm once again happy.


      funny, I had no problems with that. www.nvidia.com download the tar.gz's of the GLX and driver, follow the instructions nad it magically worked.

      I wonder what was wrong with yout 9.0 install as I never had trouble with Nvidia drives on anything but a 2.4.20/21 kernel (and the patches for that are out already.)

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    2. Re:I'm running it now by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 2, Funny

      maybe you should read your post. Sounds like you made quite a bit more of an effort than the parent. That's a lot of trouble to go through for a mandrake user.

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    3. Re:I'm running it now by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      quoth the parent:
      That's a lot of trouble to go through for a mandrake user.

      Oh! I see how it is...Mandrake lusers are all retarded, eh? : )

      you know, i've got no problems installing slack or whatever...but MDK has this neat thing in that most of the time, _it_just_works_. Which I like. We're not all retarded, you know... :P

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    4. Re:I'm running it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those instructions are anything but "Magical". "Magical" is double clicking "Setup.exe" like on windows and having it just work. Installing HW accellerated X and OGL drivers on Linux is comparitivley insanely difficult.

    5. Re:I'm running it now by msimm · · Score: 1

      These anecdotal reviews sound great (I'm using 9.0). My biggest grip with 9.0 was *less* multimedia support. I haven't read many comments about that here. How is it? Does 9.1 include Mplayer? I know they where working on Mozilla support (mailcap, plugger?) for it too, is that working? I know all these packages can be had through various sources (PLF, Cooker) but it always seemed like a glaring oversight not to include them as part of the desktop (this has got to be a fairly big turn-off for new users??).

      Anyhow, just curious. If not maybe I'll just wait for PLF to make them available.

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    6. Re:I'm running it now by Lumpy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What? linux is linux... a mandrake user ca just as easily type tar-xzvf blablabla; make; make install; vi /etc/XF86Config

      if a linux user cant do something as basic as this, they need to buy a mac.

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    7. Re:I'm running it now by dildatron · · Score: 1

      nice bias you have there. As someone who has run gentoo, debian on pa-risc, redhat, mandrake, and slack, I think you should be more careful.

      I like different distros for different reasons, but at home I run mandrake. It works and is good for everyone.

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    8. Re:I'm running it now by joestar · · Score: 1

      Yes it includes mplayer:
      http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.1/features/15.ph p3

      (list of packages)

    9. Re:I'm running it now by msimm · · Score: 1

      Thanks (nice to get a straight answer to a simple question).

      Mplayer is an awesome tool and a big step up towards the desktop.

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    10. Re:I'm running it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, if a linux user can't do that, then they are doing something the rest of us call "learning." If it takes a very simple distro like Mandrake to get Linux on somebody else's PC, then so be it. Let them use the instalation as is. When they want to do something else, they will either call a friend for help, or learn to do it themselves. Eventually they will watch the friend do it, and decide they want that new game at 3:am and figure "Hey, I've watched him do it a few times, I'm going to try it myself before I call him." And there you go.

      If a Slashdot reader can't comprehend something as basic as this, they need to go read CNN.

    11. Re:I'm running it now by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      plf has mplayer.

      a good mplayer has packages that aren't always legal to distribute everywhere.

      xine is crappy.

      Conclusion: get 9.1, install mplayer. be happy.

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    12. Re:I'm running it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because your hardware is different than his, dickhead.

    13. Re:I'm running it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus buddy, I get smooth Divx playback on a P2-366 with a 4 mag ATI Mach64 card. In a notebook. Full screen, full colour.

    14. Re:I'm running it now by deno · · Score: 1

      In fact, I tend to agree with McGibby.

      This IS indeed a lot of trouble to go through for a Mandrake user.

      No, I don't claim that they (ie. we) can't do it, but I must admitt that I haven't compiled anything myself in the last two years, simply because I didn't have to.

      You know how it is: at first you have no money and plenty of time, so you opt for doing it all by yourself and saving a few bucks.

      As the time goes on you have more money (ok, at least theoretically) and less time (this one is for sure), and then you really start appreciating the DVDs you don't have to burn yourself, and ready-to-use Nvidia RPMs from MandrakeClub...

    15. Re:I'm running it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! you mean My Geforce 4 isnt the same as his Geforce 4!

      Wow dickhead, I better call the dickheads at Nvidia and tell them that some dickhead on slashdot that called me a dickhead says that my Geforce 4 is not the same as his Geforce 4 and uses different geforce 4 drivers.

      Clueless moron who's IQ is less than that of a small salad bar.

      I challenge you to a battle of wits, but I dont fight unarmed people.

      Bunghole sucker.

    16. Re:I'm running it now by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 1

      Thank you. This of course, was my point, contrary to what other folks who replied to my post seem to have gotten out of it.

      I thought much of the goal of Mandrake was "slick-easy". If I want to rewrite my startup scripts, pour over READMEs to make configure put things where it's supposed to, and recompile my kernel for shits and giggles, then I'll run slack. If I buy Mandrake, then I expect a certain level easiness.

      I consider myself a fairly knowledgable linux user, but I switched from debian to Suse because while I *could* do all kinds of things myself, I don't particularly enjoy wasting my time. I would much rather spend my time *using* software than *getting it to work*. Who knows, maybe I'll switch to Mandrake, but it doesn't sound like it's as foolproof as I was lead to believe.

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  26. It's days like this... by MarvinMouse · · Score: 3, Funny

    That I am very glad I get that 20 minutes warning with my subscription.

    I got most of the download done before the slashdot crowd reduced by speed considerably.

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  27. YOU ARE A DOUCHE!!!1 by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Miguel de Icaza, you are the biggest douche in the universe.

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    1. Re:YOU ARE A DOUCHE!!!1 by Miguel+de+Icaza · · Score: 0, Troll

      sorry, i run linux so i can't play quicktime (without mplayer and i can't install that without taking my debian machine miles & miles & miles out of stable)

      i'll watch it tonight when i get home - i run windows XP Pro on my own box :^)

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  28. Fukt Gnome menus by Arethan · · Score: 1

    As per usual, Mandrake has completely ignored the Gnome specs for menu layout, and have a completely non-standard menu system. All I can say is Ick, I'll wait 5 more days for RH 9 thanks. :(

    1. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by fcrozat · · Score: 3, Informative

      We are not IGNORING GNOME menu layout..

      It simply doesn't fit our needs (and we have the same objections for KDE menu layout)..

      And if you don't like Mandrake menu layout, run menudrake and choose "Original menu style" in Menu Style dialog.. You'll have to create a new foot menu on your panel, due to limitation in gnome-panel..

    2. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by matthewn · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you run MenuDrake, you can tell the system to use the standard Gnome menus. The change takes effect on next login.

    3. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by n0dez · · Score: 1

      I'll wait to see what's new on Red Hat Linux 9 :)
      I have already seen the new stuff of Slack 9 and I really like it -in fact I'm using it right now-

      n0dez

    4. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually you are ignoring gnomes menu layout because it doesn't fit your needs.

      which is fine,but the posters statement was correct. The way he said made it look like a troll. I mean if that was all they wanted, they probably could of just asked how to get it back.

      tell me, can I just 'drag and drop' file for cd buring nativly, or do I have to do extra vodoo to get it to work?

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    5. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by Telex4 · · Score: 1

      A disturbing thought:

      If MenuDrake mamages your menus, DiskDrake mamages your disks, and so on, what does ManDrake manage?

    6. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RedHat 9.0 review at OS News:

      http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3119

    7. Re:Fukt Gnome menus by fcrozat · · Score: 1

      You can drag'n'drop for cd burning :

      install nautilus-cd-burner package (from cooker) and drag'n'drop files in 'burn:' in nautilus..

      Then go to Applications/Archiving/CD Burning/Nautilus CD Burning to burn the stuff..

  29. no they switched to 650mb ISOs by theBunkinator · · Score: 1

    9.0 release already if I remember correctly.
    Had a lot of user requests, and listened.

  30. Need for a new fork? by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1

    Let's face it, all the distros currently aimed at desktop users are K-centric. Red Hat still plays down the importance of the desktop market and, umm, their tax monies may end up supporting America's rather peculiar foreign excursions that could be characterized as less than constructive. Would there be social demand for a new distro that concentrates on the G-experience in Mandrake style but with compatibility with the popular "plain Red Hat rpms"?

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    1. Re:Need for a new fork? by fcrozat · · Score: 1

      We are not K-centric.. We are desktop agnostic.. But we always need to do a choice for newbies and currently, it is KDE..

      But nothing prevent you to use GNOME instead (BTW, I'm GNOME packager at MandrakeSoft..). We always make sure all Mandrake features are available in both GNOME and KDE.

    2. Re:Need for a new fork? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      their tax monies may end up supporting America's rather peculiar foreign excursions that could be characterized as less than constructive

      Of course, if you buy Mandrake, the tax monies may end up supporting France's rather peculiar foreign excursions that could be characterized as less than constructive.

      Don't get all righteous on us now, France has plenty of skeletons in it's closet, as do most governments.

      Maybe we should support an Icelandic distro... Icelanders haven't invaded anyone recently...

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    3. Re:Need for a new fork? by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1
      We are not K-centric.. We are desktop agnostic.. But we always need to do a choice for newbies and currently, it is KDE..

      Hehe. OK, not "K-centric" then, but "KDE-centric"... :-)

      It's nice that Mandrake has a GNOME packager. Are there any others working on GNOME besides you?

      Also, could you explain why new KDE environment releases are always quickly packaged for the last couple of the most recent Mandrake versions while new GNOME releases aren't even packaged for the very latest version of Mandrake? Or am I mistaken and GNOME v2.x and v2.2.x are available for Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0 respectively?

      BTW, I still recommend Mandrake currently for newbies but would be interested in a distro with stronger GNOME commitment.

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      Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?

    4. Re:Need for a new fork? by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1
      Of course, if you buy Mandrake, the tax monies may end up supporting France's rather peculiar foreign excursions that could be characterized as less than constructive.

      Don't get all righteous on us now, France has plenty of skeletons in it's closet, as do most governments.

      Sure they do. In fact the last protest march I took part in was actually targeted at the French nuclear tests near my corner of the world in the Pacific in mid-nineties and I boycotted French products for quite some time after that but I still have good French friends and now french wines and gauloises are back in vogue. And I guess Mandrake too (I've bought from them, and "sold" some to others too). ;-)

      Also, I know Tux is a different, globally shared animal, but since I can only vote in a place that is already benevolent (yet still partially invaded by militaristic neighbour!) my only other vote consists of a choice to transfer my purchasing power from an aggressive producing nation to a more deserving producer.

      Like recycling, preferring GPL for an OS or investing through ethical funds, some can call it "righteous" and others "ethical" behaviour.

      Maybe we should support an Icelandic distro... Icelanders haven't invaded anyone recently...

      Hell why not. But seriously, ideally some money paid for products and services would trickle down to all local economies, from Albania to Zimbabwe. Would a franchise-based localized sales and support system work to that end?

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    5. Re:Need for a new fork? by fcrozat · · Score: 1

      No, I'm alone working on GNOME (with some help from Cooker people. And KDE folks at MandrakeSoft are the same number as me : 1 person..

      We have NEVER provided binary packages for released distro for GNOME because this is not the way GNOME is distributing its stuff (there is no central repository, unlike KDE), Ximian is already doing some packaging and now, with GARNOME, you do get GNOME as soon as it is released..

      There is only 24h in a day and I prefer to spend this time fixing bugs and improving cooker (aka next distro) than rebuilding packages for older distros.. Many Club members are already doing this through MandrakeClub.

    6. Re:Need for a new fork? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep your idiotic political opinions to yourself.
      This discussion is about Mandrake 9.1, not your
      skewed view of the world, nor your moronic tacit
      support for brutal dictators who dip their
      political opponents in acid or throw them into
      an industrial plastic shredder for fun. Grow up!

    7. Re:Need for a new fork? by iainl · · Score: 1

      "Maybe we should support an Icelandic distro... Icelanders haven't invaded anyone recently..."

      Cod War, by friend, Cod War.

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  31. YOUR NOT Nathaniel Friedman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are explain this post

    How long before MS changes .NET in order to break Mono?

    Stop harassing the probably real miguel

  32. Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by davebarz · · Score: 3, Informative


    Actually, the Mandrake website says the new version supports "Re-sizing of Windows FAT partitions" but that NTFS support is strictly read-only, which sucks. You got my hopes up there for a while.

    1. Re:Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by nacs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not true. For file access within Mandrake, NTFS support has always been read only as writing is currently experimental and dangerous.

      However, NTFS resizing is supported by Mandrake as the sourceforge NTFS team found a way to resize NTFS partitions safely.

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    2. Re:Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It indeed resizes NTFS with the open source tool, ntfsresize, part of the Linux-NTFS project. It's a user space tool what Mandrake integrated with their also open source partitioning tool, DiskDrake. You can read more informations on http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.htm l

    3. Re:Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: 9.1 RESIZES NTFS partitions during installation, but can't actually write data to them.

    4. Re:Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by fobbman · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you would have followed the story link you would have seen it say, specifically, "NTFS partition resizing" under Technical Improvements.

    5. Re:Not resizing NTFS, only FAT by davebarz · · Score: 1


      OK, oops. I made a mistake. They haven't updated their Features page, so it still says only FAT re-partitioning is available.

  33. Code Names by afabbro · · Score: 1

    Is there really a reason for the code names like Bamboo? I mean, you can refer to it as "Mandrake 9.1"? If you're working on the next version...you can refer to it as Mandrake 9.2!

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    1. Re:Code Names by nacs · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons why codenames are used is because the companies often aren't sure what version number/name they will release their software as.

      Take a look at the so-called Redhat 8.1 release for example. They recently decided to change it to 9.0. It's codename Phoebe however still applies.

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  34. U.S.A. MIRRORS???!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone with the ISO's and a fat pipe want to share?

  35. Huh? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought they were going to limit the release to Mandrake Club subscribers to start with, and only make FTP access available much later. What happened to that idea?

    1. Re:Huh? by Moonshadow · · Score: 1

      That's Redhat 9, not Mandrake, I believe.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a bad idea, so it went down the drain.

    3. Re:Huh? by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Mandrake Club subscribers have access to a set of mirrors that aren't open the general public. I don't think there'd be a whole lot of point in releasing to us first.

  36. /. Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I know why my download went from 220K to 68K and will take over 3 hours for just the 1st .iso...

  37. I2 Mirror by pirodude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone on I2 can get them from here:
    http://mandrake.dsi.internet2.edu/

    I'm currently grabbing all 3 ISO's at 350k/sec.

    1. Re:I2 Mirror by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      Mod: -1 Really Jealous

      Although your sig couldn't fit the post any better if you tried.

    2. Re:I2 Mirror by Devil's+Avocado · · Score: 1

      Um. I only see 9.1 rc3, not 9.1 final. Is there a difference?

      -DA

    3. Re:I2 Mirror by liverbugg · · Score: 1

      There the same files, I checked the md5sums. Mandrake did that for the 9.0 release too, disto the images to the mirros as the next rc and then have them rename them when the release time comes. Probably so that someone doesnt accidently find the final isos before the release and post to ./ or something.

    4. Re:I2 Mirror by pirodude · · Score: 1

      They're the same. MDK likes to post it as "rc3" but then rename it at the last minute so the mirrors have time to get it out there.

      [me@gatekeeper Mandrake9.1]$ mv MandrakeLinux-9.1-rc3-CD1.i586.iso Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso
      [me@gatekeeper Mandrake9.1]$ mv MandrakeLinux-9.1-rc3-CD2.i586.iso Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso
      [me@gatekeeper Mandrake9.1]$ mv MandrakeLinux-9.1-rc3-CD3.i586.iso Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso
      [me@gatekeeper Mandrake9.1]$ md5sum --check md5sums.91
      Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso: OK
      Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso: OK
      Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso: OK

    5. Re:I2 Mirror by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      [sigh], when will people learn? First finish your download, THEN tell everyone about the faster server!! ;-)

    6. Re:I2 Mirror by DanCo · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Getting it at 2.71 MB/sec (MegaBytes...), so it would appear that it can take the load!

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      It's not my fault - greatness was thrust upon me.
  38. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    meme! Suse's German. Boycott them as well! Plz rename Redhat to Red, White, and Blue Hat!

  39. Request to share on P2P networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey All. Any chance we can take some load off the mirrors (and save them a few bucks in bandwidth) by putting the ISO(s) up on the P2P networks? (Preferably e-mule/e-donkey)

  40. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In that order? I'd stab the American first for sure, but the rest are a toss-up

  41. Hey, asshole, shut up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And stop impersonating hackers who are too busy doing real work to post stupidity on /.

    Love, Ken.

  42. Ohhh pretty ZeroConf by ihatewinXP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Im glad to see a linux distributor hyping the zeroconf protocol. It has always seemed to be a perfect match for me. here is an underlying protocol that when coupled with a _good_ gui install makes a very compelling product from an ease of use standpoint (let alone cost). Having Apple as a cheerleader will help as well, and already compaines like HP and TIVO are including zeroconf support. Imagine it, TIVO could work easier on a linux box than a comprable PC....Just a possibility. Another possibility that I hardly dare mention was a rumor that people (Apple) were working on local ZeroConf networks that offloaded intensive tasks to idle processors - Rendezvous/ZeroConf may a long (paradigm breaking) life ahead of it, its up to the imagination of the developers.

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  43. Bugger by tinrib · · Score: 1

    I literally just downloaded, burned and installed an RC of this yesterday.

    1. Re:Bugger by bconway · · Score: 1

      If it was labeled as RC3, then you already have the final. It was uploaded misnamed, and then moved. If you installed RC2, then you're out of luck.

      --
      Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
    2. Re:Bugger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks dude! I checked out the file sizes and RC3 is indeed the proper release version.

      Now I have a super fast download :D

  44. Better Yet by jdkincad · · Score: 1

    Join Mandrake Club. You'll be able to download things faster, too.

    --
    The great advantage of having a reputation for being stupid: People are less suspicious of you.
    1. Re:Better Yet by Ponty · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does it take advantage of Intel Pentium III technology for that?

  45. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if that was meant to be serious, then i don't where you live, where you've been to school, (have you ever?) what friends you have(have any?)..... do you realize, there is a difference between "country" and "company that works in a certain country" ?? no i guess you don't, you haven't been to school, i forgot. i think it's pretty childish not to "buy" a product which comes from a country that ONCE disagreed with your country. if you have any valuable reasons not supporting mandrake because its FRENCH, then please write them down NOW

  46. Zeroconf support? by JHromadka · · Score: 1

    I have a PC at home that I don't use. If I installed Mandrake 9.1 and attached a printer to it, would my PowerBook see it using Rendezvous and be able to print to it? How would I set this up on the Mandrake side?

    --
    "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved." -- John Ashcroft
    1. Re:Zeroconf support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a word, yes. You can configure it either as a Unix or Samba printer.

    2. Re:Zeroconf support? by Stealth+Dave · · Score: 1

      Better than that, when I connected by iBook to my network three months ago, it automatically detected the Epson 875DCS hooked up to my Mandrake 9.0 box, and I was able to start printing immediately! Much easier than the hoops I had to jump through to try and connect to the office SMB printer.

      - Stealth Dave

      --
      Evil is as eval("does");
    3. Re:Zeroconf support? by TallGeek · · Score: 1

      But that was probably CUPS doing that for you...

  47. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  48. Boo hoo hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awww the widdle foreigner with the well earned inferiority complex is having another hissy fit.

    Isn't that special?

  49. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by dolson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And to not purchase it, you are stabbing one of the major Linux distro makers in the back. Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government, just as I have no control over my government. I voted for the Alliance party, but they didn't get in because of the other people in my country... Mandrake has nothing to do with politics, and to draw that relationship is very immature and stupid.

  50. urpmi.addmedia by BlokkieX · · Score: 1

    Don't forget nanardon's site. For you who want additional media's added to urpmi , not supported ,
    java , plf , contrib , ....

    urpmiweb

    --
    -beer
    1. Re:urpmi.addmedia by yosch · · Score: 1
      Yep, learn to use the urpmi tools.
      (yes that's you rpm-get-like thingy...)
      forget about dependancies, it just rocks!

      Read the Urpmi howto
      and check out the huge MandrakeClub rpms repository

      --
      Everything we do echoes in eternity...
  51. Hooray... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now that we've got them distracted with the shiny MDK, I can finally get Slackware 9!

  52. Fonts? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    Can someone please tell me they've improved upon the fonts? I can't tell from the screenshots and I won't have time to install it for a few days, but the default fonts for 9.0 are terrible. The default fonts on Red Hat are wonderful. Is RedHat using proprietary fonts? I'd like to know why Mandrake is behind in an area that is *very* important to the desktop user.

    1. Re:Fonts? by javahacker · · Score: 1

      Mandrake is using the latest fontconfig, xft2, and XFree86. It looks better than Windows XP does on the same machine, at least to my eyes. I don't think they are "behind" anyone when it comes to fonts currently.

    2. Re:Fonts? by FunkyChild · · Score: 1

      It looks to me like they're using the lovely Vera Sans that Bitstream very graciously provided as open source. These fonts alone have a huge impact on the visual quality, not just the freetype issues.

    3. Re:Fonts? by ReinoutS · · Score: 1

      No, they're not, since Vera hasn't been finished yet (only a non-GPL beta release IIRC).

  53. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd stab the American first for sure

    Then why don't you try, terrorist wannabe?

    At least the Muslims have the guts to carry out their terrorist schemes.

  54. Really? by fuzzykitty · · Score: 1

    Inovative my foot! That's like our friends in Redmond claiming they inovate and after working there they I found they couldn't inovate their way out of a paper bag!

    That said what Mandrake offers that others do not is user support. Mandrakeuser.org and Mandrake Forum, now Mandrake Club, as well as free software updates leave SUSE and Redhat behind. That's what sets them appart, their user community is tightly coupled to the company. I feel like I'm dealing with MS with the other two.

    1. Re:Really? by rutledjw · · Score: 1
      BLASPHEMY! Thou shalt not mention The Beast in this forum!

      Although actually I agree, there is a community aspect to Mandrake. I use Slack personally and RH at work. RedHat prices and product in general kinda makes me think "Linux for Windows" every time I'm on it...

      --

      Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
  55. Compiling NVidia drivers? by oingoboingo · · Score: 1

    I messed around with Mandrake 9.1 RC1 a few days ago, but it wasn't able to compile the NVidia drivers with the rpm --rebuild command. Something about the compiler version being used to build the kernel being different from that shipped with RC1? Has anyone had any success rebuiling the NVidia driver RPM on the actual release version of Mandrake 9.1?

    1. Re:Compiling NVidia drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just finished building my box with 9.1. The NVidia drivers rebuilt without any problems.

  56. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 2, Funny

    No no no, isn't that "Freedom company?" Like "Fredom Fries" and "Freedom Toast?"

    I'll tell ya, we sure have some stupid congressmen in our country.

  57. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In that case, let me download it again!

    Sometimes that is the only legal option left...

    Thanks for the suggestion.

  58. Five minutes on slashdot... by loucura! · · Score: 1

    and the mirrors are all slashdotted to hell.

    --
    Black and grey are both shades of white.
    1. Re:Five minutes on slashdot... by Yenya · · Score: 1
      Yes, they have failed to update the mirror list they provide to users. Try for example this one.

      Disclaimer: I am the system administrator of the mentioned mirror site.

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      -Yenya
      --
      While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it has to be. --Linus
  59. boycotting national Linux versions... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Okay, we know SuSE is German (boo!) and Mandrake is French. Isn't Xandros Canadian? Corel sure is/was. And if you want to get technical about it, our Canadian neighbors/cousins aren't helping us out any. Whereas the cousin nations of Britain, the United States, and Australia are all helping to take Saddam out to the woodshop, where are our northern cousins up in that fake country of theirs? That fake country that our tax dollars help to defend, it should be noted... What will it take before you surrender your sovereignty to become part of the U.S. of North America? 1. Quebec independence? (good riddance) 2. The cancellation of all Alliance-Atlantis krap television productions? 3. The tanking of that *Monopoly* currency of yours? 4. U.S. adoption of le Metric system? 5. The U.S. normalizing relations with Castro? 6. The U.S. paying off its obligations in the Treaty of Paris to all the descendents of the disenfranchised Loyalists (then again, we should charge you'all for the Restoration on the White House since your forces torched it in the War of 1812)? 7. Americans beginning every sentence with "eh"? (much like the British start off everything with "right"). 8. Americans actually bothering to find Canada on a map (why should we?)? 9. The U.S. dropping the prohibition on accepting titles from the British Monarchy (I'd cheer that actually)? 9. Americans no longer mocking that "sport" you call curdling (isn't that what cheese does?)? 10. Martin Short for President? C'mon, what's your wishlist anyways? Don't you feel pretty lame that you have no forces in Iraq, yet Poland has commandos fighting? :)

    --
    "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    1. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by testerus · · Score: 3, Informative

      according to Jean-Michel Dault:

      • Some facts you might want to know:
        • The Mandrake Linux boxes sold in the stores in the USA are not a French product, but an american-made product, since the boxes, CDs and manuals are manufactured by Pearson/Macmillan right in the US.
        • MandrakeSoft has developers all around the globe. The security updates are made by a Canadian, the I18N leader is in Belgium, the Documentation team has people in Quebec and Argentina, our kernel guy is in Spain, our LSB and DrakXterm guy is in Ohio... and I am Quebecois ;-)
    2. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this thread supposed to be about linux, eh?

    3. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Machine9 · · Score: 1

      mommy, mommy, funny man makes me laugh!

    4. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by siteTHREE · · Score: 1

      Against my better judgement here replying to this but oh well...I bit. Shame on me.(I'm a Canuck living in Britian)

      1. Quebec independence? (good riddance)
      I fail to see why this would have any bearing so I will skip it.
      2. The cancellation of all Alliance-Atlantis krap television productions?
      See 1(this one just confused me :|)
      3. The tanking of that *Monopoly* currency of yours?
      Canada Euro.
      Incase you are unable to read the charts....thats the US dollar going down.
      4. U.S. adoption of le Metric system?
      Maybe 2 decades later once everyone there has gotten use to it.
      5. The U.S. normalizing relations with Castro?
      No way, think of the job losses on the Canadian side of Niagra Falls if americans could legally buy Cubian cigars!
      6. The U.S. paying off its obligations in the Treaty of Paris to all the descendents of the disenfranchised Loyalists (then again, we should charge you'all for the Restoration on the White House since your forces torched it in the War of 1812)?
      Twas nothing but a mear touchup a bit of paint here and there.
      7. Americans beginning every sentence with "eh"? (much like the British start off everything with "right").
      Canadians FINISH every sentence with "eh", and the British only start every 2nd and 5th statements with "right"(assuming a loop of 8 statements)
      8. Americans actually bothering to find Canada on a map (why should we?)?
      Well if you can't find Canada on a map you have bigger things to worry about then when we will surrender to you. It is quite large after all.
      9. The U.S. dropping the prohibition on accepting titles from the British Monarchy (I'd cheer that actually)?
      We have somewhat the same problem to the north.
      9. Americans no longer mocking that "sport" you call curdling (isn't that what cheese does?)?
      If it was called curdling you would be right, thats what cheese does, however it's called curling. It's about as much a sport as Nascar racing.
      10. Martin Short for President?
      You really don't get out much do you? :)

    5. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by uradu · · Score: 1

      > our Canadian neighbors/cousins aren't helping us out any.

      Well, they might not be helping YOU and all the other attachments of W's derriere, but they're certainly helping the rest of those Americans that stay as far as possible from said derriere.

    6. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee no Indians there? No Brits? No Americans?

      Sounds like the Axis of Wimpos

    7. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      pardon *moi* on Number 7... the boss walked by and I typed that with much haste... Regarding your reply on Number 5, Canada is known to sell Dominican cigars mistakenly labeled with a Cuban origin. See certain Seinfeld episode on the subject... As for Number 9, when has there ever been a prohibition on Canadians from receiving a title such as "Sir" or "Lord" from the Queen? Your country is a Commonwealth member, afterall... I see that I misnumbered some, again, due to boss implications... I concede the Nascar reference, although it should be noted that Nascar is the official *sport* of the sometimes unruly wholly owned yet autonomous subsidiary of the United States also known as "The South"...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    8. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      Ah, knee-jerk *liberalism* at its best... I s'pose you believe this war is for oil too (instead of a proxi-war fought on behalf of the State of Israel)... Oh yes, its an *illegal war* because the UN Security Council didn't mandate it...because we all know the UN is made up of such noble champions of human rights and freedom like the People's *Republic* of China and Russia... Just because you have the freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to have a monopoly on stupidity...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    9. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by thechink · · Score: 1

      As for Number 9, when has there ever been a prohibition on Canadians from receiving a title such as "Sir" or "Lord" from the Queen? Your country is a Commonwealth member

      A knighthood is a British title not a Canadian one. The Queen maybe Canada's monarch but she cannot confer a British title on a Canadian without the express permission of the Canadian government and that permission is rarely given.

      It should also be noted that the Canadian monarchy is separate from the British one (or Australian, or New Zealand etc). The same person sits on the various thrones but they are all different and unique.

      Also the Commonwealth is made up of countries that both acknowledge the Queen as their head of state and of those that don't.

    10. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by uradu · · Score: 1

      > Ah, knee-jerk *liberalism* at its best

      It always kills me when people use "liberal" as a dirty word. It's derived from the word "free" and freedom is something your kind likes to blare about stridently given any occasion. By contrast, conservative means to "keep the same" and implies a fear of change. Personally, I like the sound of the former much more than the latter.

      > Just because you have the freedom of speech doesn't give
      > you the right to have a monopoly on stupidity...

      As you're so amply proving. Touche.

    11. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jeez, talking about illiterate americans ... maybe ohio is on a different planet then?

    12. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are right...

      I will be boycotting all products from the US from now on.

      Never really thought about that before...

    13. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      I'm not using the definition of *liberal* which is still preferred in Europe; I'm using the modern American definition of the word. The definition favored by Europeans is known as *classical liberalalism* here in America, the favoring of democratic institutions, progressivism, and free market economics. The modern American version of *liberal,* used as a derogatory term, implies a person that is anti-military no matter what the justification, distrusts market economics, believes social government programs to be successful, and believes the Western world oppresses the good people of 3rd World Countries such as Iraq. People who state that "regime change" in countries such as Iraq are up to the Iraqi people themselves. These people also believe the propaganda from such great leaders as Robert Mugabe, that his country is being oppressed by the British because of latent racism and neocolonialist chic, or that the North Koreans are run by a peace-loving regime. That's what I mean when I write "knee jerk liberalism"... Stepping off my soapbox now...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    14. Re:boycotting national Linux versions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, as opposed to conservative idiots such as yourself that believe in "Dog Eat Dog/Survival of the Fittest" or that there should be no regulations in place for corporations at all so they are so free to gobble up everybody until there is just one conglomerate owning everything, and it will be impossible for anyone to start their own business safely.

  60. From The Mysterious Future! by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 1

    Wow, Mandrake 9.1 seems to be from The Mysterious Future since according to their website they included a 2.4.21 kernel and according to kernel.org, the latest version is 2.4.20. Quite impressive, definately a distribution that's on the bleeding edge.

    1. Re:From The Mysterious Future! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      They must have borrowed Gentoo's time machine! I remember them advertising a 2.4.19 kernel when the current one was 2.4.18.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  61. kernel 2.4.21??? by nite_warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I dunno if anybody else noticed that on the presnetation it states:

    Kernel 2.4.21

    but kernel.org has the latest stable version 2.4.20

    Is this just a typo or they have released a "stable" release using an untested kernel???

    1. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2, Interesting

      AFAICR they're supporting _their_ patched version of 2.4.21, and will probably just provide the final 2.4.21 binary kernel rpms later on.

      Frankly, I don't mind at all, though only in the case of desktops. I run a 2.4.21pre5ac3 kernel on my 'production' workstation at work, in order to support adequately my NForce1 microatx asus board, and it's quite decent.

    2. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by nite_warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

      from the Kernel prepatch doc.

      Prepatches may be poorly tested, and may in fact not work at all.

      I don't think i could be a very good idea to realease something to the market based on something like this. If u r a particular user, with a particular need, and take the risk to try it out and get it to work is perfect, but think of how many people who get MDK to try out linux could get this one and run into problem, probably they will not like that at all and just stick to their old OS.

      Guess that's why I like deb :)

    3. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by javahacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't a straight download of the 2.4.21 preX. Mandrake has tested it extensively. No commercial distribution ever ships with a stock kernel, so they all do their own testing.

      I would probably mark you down as a troll if I had moderation points today. Someone help me out.

    4. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by nite_warrior · · Score: 1

      I know that they have made their own testing, my point here is that using the 2.4.21 (even patched and tested by them) is like using a 2.5.x version, it haven't became a official stable, but is a development one, same with prepatched versions. I don't think that the newest is necesarily the best option all the time, take a look at RH 8, IMHO it sucks, they try to get all the latest version for everything and in the end I never found it as roboust as a RH 7.3.

    5. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mandrake stated they are using the 2.4.21 kernel. That kernel does not exist yet. Are you disputing the fact that 2.4.21 is not out yet? I don't see how a sane person can do that.

    6. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by alexandre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a big difference for me between feature-bleeding-edge-patch and stability-bleeding-edge-patch ... As someone said they have tested it and probably tweaked it too!

    7. Re:kernel 2.4.21??? by javahacker · · Score: 1

      The question though is when is a kernel ready to be used? The answer has to be when it is tested thoroughly. As long as that happens, so what if it's not the "official" kernel?

      I know for a fact that Mandrake used this version because it supported hardware they needed to support, and it fixed some issues that were present in the 2.4.20 stable kernel. Either they had to maintain their own patches to deal with those issues, or they had to use the kernel version that fixed them. They can't say it works on their machine, they need to make it work on the greatest number of machines possible. Since they have to deal with customers who have problems with their product, their kernel is probably much better tested than the official one, because it costs them money if it is broken.

  62. no more hell... it's the greatest thing by illegalien · · Score: 4, Informative

    The greatest thing about Mandrake 9.X is that it completely eliminates dependency issues... rpms are easy to install for those that don't wish to compile from source.

    I've been running a cooker version of 9.X for many months and even that is surprisingly stable.

    This is the kind of OS package worth paying for!

    1. Re:no more hell... it's the greatest thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the kind of OS package worth paying for!

      That's the kind of cheap ad I hate reading.

      You go ahead and voluntary pay for it, I'll download free from the free locations they freely provide.

    2. Re:no more hell... it's the greatest thing by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      "The greatest thing about Mandrake 9.X is that it completely eliminates dependency issues"

      BULLSHIT... Are you new to Linux??
      That is unless you never tried to install anything before.
      If you think rpms save you from dependancy problems you must be a total newbie.

    3. Re:no more hell... it's the greatest thing by deno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me see...

      Yes, *I* do think that RPMs save you from dependency problems. On the last count I wasn't exactly a total newbie. :-)

      Funny thing is that (in my experience) it is exactly the newbies who complain about dependency problems with RPMs. this is how the story (usually) goes:

      A: This damn thing doesn't work!!!!
      B: Which damn thing?
      A: urpmi! It's all broken!
      B: Could you please elaborate this a bit?
      A: It wan't install packages!!!
      B: Eer... Which packages, if I may ask?

      SCENARIO 1:

      A: grmkn-0.01-alpha.tyr.gz
      B: We are sorry, but urpmi is made for installing .rpm packages, not tarballs. Also, please note that alpha releases aren't exactly the stuff that newbies shoudl use...
      A: HOW DEAR YOU !!! I have used windows for 10 years, and know all shartcuts by heart, and now you tell me I'm a newbie! Take your broken software and stuff it... (etc.)

      SCENARIO 2:

      A: grmkn-0.01-alpha.i386.rpm
      B: This does not look like a mandrake rpm package. This does not mean that it wil not work on Mandrake system, but the source from which you are getting it probably doesn't have the info needed for urpmi/rpmdrake to work properly. That is, you have to download it, and define a local rpm source.You'll also need to download all the files it depends on, too. In the worst case (i.e. if it requires some libraries, and the lib-rpms are badly built) this will not work at all.
      A: AARGH!!! This rpm stuff is all broken, I knew it! Take your broken software and stuff it... (etc.)

      SCENARIO 3:

      A: grmkn-0.01-alpha.i586.mdk.rpm
      B: This is a cooker RPM.
      A: I know, but I really want to install it.
      B: What is exactly the problem?
      A: Well, when I try to install it with urpmi/rpmdrake, it tells me that it will download 50 other packages. I don't want all this!!
      B: I am sorry, but the package you asked for requires the latest KDE to work properly, and KDE is rather big...
      A: AARGH!!! This rpm stuff is all broken, I knew it! Take your broken software and stuff it... (etc.)

  63. You're not Nate Friedman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I am. And my lawyer is two doors away from you, too.

  64. Slackware sells cd's and subscriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See Here

    (Shameless plug, I know)

  65. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could call it "Freedom Linux"! Wahhhh.................

  66. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by mattrix2k · · Score: 1

    "the Muslims"? I just hope that was badly worded sentence and not a reflection of your real views. Believe it or not, not all Muslims are terrorists.

  67. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please note that the poster does not speak for Americans or anybody else with an IQ over 80. Freedom my ass.

  68. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by crank_06 · · Score: 1

    true

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  69. p2p by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    i'm sharing this one right now on edonkey. At least i think i am...they're sitting in my mldonkey/incoming ...

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    1. Re:p2p by testerus · · Score: 1

      If you are using not using mldonkey 2.03 or 2.04rc new files are only shared each startup and "Reshare Files" only checks for deleted files.

    2. Re:p2p by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      I restarted. I'm running 2.02 though. what's the command to check shared files???

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    3. Re:p2p by testerus · · Score: 1

      Shared files are listed in shared_files.ini

  70. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess peace loving people should boycott RedHat then.

  71. Releasing ISO's early by InodoroPereyra · · Score: 1
    I am writting this from ML 9.1 (great, great release). Everything is a piece of cake, including upgrading my 3 machines, what I did almost flawlessly and with no effort (clicking "next" at each default option).

    One of the things that look promising is that Mandrake is now really using bugzilla (qa.mandrakesoft.com), you can get an account and help and they can track QA issues much more easily.

    My only concern with Mandrake is how they can make a profit. I was hoping they would release the ISOs a few days after making them available in Mandrake Club (kind of what Redhat is doing with the next release). This would give people one more reason to be in the club. Also, the ISOs should be made public right after they are available to be purchased from MandrakeStore IMHO. Oh, and it would probably be a good idea to enforce trademark, so that cheap CD sites can't sell "Mandrake 9.1" (I think RedHat does this). In fact, if Mandrake made the "download version" (just the CD's) available cheap and early, I guess many people would guy the CDs on the mail instead of going through the hassle of downloading and burning.

    In general, and I really don't mean to be mean, Mandrake should probably borrow a few ideas from Red Hat in the business camp. Otherwise they are doing great and improving :-)

  72. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by HiThere · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You left out the Turks ... who, of course, are primarily in this it ensure that the Kurds don't get their own country. Might make it more difficult to (ahem) assist them.

    Who was it that was in favor of freedom? For who?
    Well, perhaps that's why you ignored the Turks. But they're in that mess too.

    --

    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  73. Ahem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MandrakeSoft (MAKE.PA): ? n/a (~$0)

  74. So, tell my how to buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Okay, I use Mandrake 9.0 and I want to get Mandrake 9.1. I'm on dialup so I want to buy cd's.

    If I "pre-order" from the Mandrake store, when do they ship? There's no listing for when it will ship. I don't want to get burned and have to wait a couple of months like with 9.0's release.

    The dvd+cdrom version is US$69, which I don't have a problem with, but is there any benefit to joining the mandrakeclub first? If I join the club will they ship cd's now? Will I get a better price on the purchase?

    I wish they'd put this on their web pages, because I don't want to buy and then find out I could have gotten it faster/better deal.

  75. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey... Hey... You are forgetting about all the stupid people on the streets and on Slashdot. I actually heard someone ask for "freedom fries" at a local restaurant. I was absolutely dumbfounded by the stupidity displayed.

  76. galaxy flame by tabby · · Score: 1

    So are the gnome or kde people going to start jumping up and down about the common Galaxy theme? ;-)

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    1. Re:galaxy flame by javahacker · · Score: 1

      Since it is just a theme, and not an alteration of either KDE or GNOME, no flame war should be anticipated. If Red Hat had done this they wouldn't have been flamed either.

    2. Re:galaxy flame by FelixCat · · Score: 1, Funny
      Did you look at the Sreen Shots?

      Did anyone else notice that the name of the user in the name of the user selected for the second screenshot is "Testi".

      I bet they had a ball choosing that one :)

    3. Re:galaxy flame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they have some finnish testers.
      Testi mean test in finnish.

  77. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Ponty · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can we use it if we call it Freedom Linux?

    Now where did I put my French Coke? I'd like to finish enjoying my French hamburger.

  78. When you download ISOs, remember the cost... by repoleved · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember that one of my friends once offered the services of his ISP to provide free downloads. The next month he received a very large bill. Remember when you download these "free" ISOs that there is a cost for the ftp sites that provide the ISOs for free to everyone. It can actually get to be very very expensive to provide free ISOs ($7-10 per download). Also, remember that there were costs in testing and developing the distribution, and that whenever you download an ISO for free you are taking advantage of the resources that were put towards the quality distribution that you will experience.

    Mandrake is a fine company that really really needs our support right now. Whether you can help by lending them some of your time to fix bugs, or by providing software to make their distribution better, or (like most non-developers) by purchasing their distribution, I strongly encourage everyone who uses Mandrake to do their part.

    (I use Slackware, but bought a copy of Mandrake for my brother a while ago because he uses Mandrake.)

    An easy and cheap way that you can reduce your impact on ftp sites and also help to share the costs of distribution is to download the ISO from a P2P network (just check the md5sum against the official one from the ftp site when you're done), and/or set yourself up as a P2P mirror so that a few people can download the ISO from you. This is the best use of P2P that I can think of (much better than providing illegal copies of copyrighted music or movies). Another way you can help is to burn some CDs for your windows-using friends so they can try it out! :)

    1. Re:When you download ISOs, remember the cost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $7-10? I call bullshit.

    2. Re:When you download ISOs, remember the cost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why don't they use FTP for paying members and bittorrent for the freeloaders?

    3. Re:When you download ISOs, remember the cost... by repoleved · · Score: 1

      Here's someone else who says that bandwidth can be expensive. Only he says $100 / gig.

      http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58608&ci d= 5602113

      Is that bullshit too?

  79. because it's cool by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    If you were working on a project, for 6 months, you wouldn't want to call it $Company+$SnazzyProjName+$CurrVersion every time. Call it something short and sweet.

    Besides...if iwas a programmer, i'd like to use cool names. like bamboo and bluebird. it's not like intel doesn't do it, or microsoft. makes it personal...I'd put personal care into a project called "dolphin," but maybe not so much into "8.2" .

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  80. Donkey links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you can't find a mirror that hasn't been slashdotted, try these links -

    ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso|682164 22 4|7422d9374a1bd9187254de638f47c7d3|
    ed2k://|file| Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso|681279488 |9bc5687f06ecf26e1f767623dc8f6421|
    ed2k://|file|M andrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso|68157440 0|82530029d63b3624020fcc40aa9ad625|

    and unlike ftp links, the more people that use these, the better.

  81. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm last time I checked it was America made itself morals police of the world. It was America who expected the French to just abondon their principals at the last minute. It was America that decided it doesn't need an UN mandate for a pre-empitive strike. Do you know what arrogant means?

  82. RC3 == release? by LinuxGeek · · Score: 1

    The RC3 images are dated 3-24-2003, are these identical to the release like with some older mandrake versions? Can you post the md5sums for the release images so we can see if the RC3 images are the same?

    Thanks

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    1. Re:RC3 == release? by descentr · · Score: 1

      I downloaded RC3, the md5sums are the same. Plus there's this wonderful message on the Cooker mailing list: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m= 104861019216735&w=2

    2. Re:RC3 == release? by EvilAlien · · Score: 1

      The release md5sums are posted on the Mandrake download page for the 9.1 ISOs, and the release images conform with what is on the site. When I downloaded them there was no md5sums91 file available on the mirror, so I checked them against the site for confirmation.

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  83. RedHat watching Mandrake? by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 1

    I guess that Mandrake releasing a "nine" version is possibly the reason why RedHat is releasing a "nine" version too... to catch up in the eyes of the users. Or maybe a marketing ploy to get more subscriptions because users always want the latest version (more urgently if it is an X.0 release).

    It's similar to what happened with Netscape 6... it was released as MS Internet Explorer 6 was released, although there was never a Netscape 5. (Although the UserAgents show otherwise).

    Personally, I like the simplicity/consistency that RedHatt brings, but the complexity is there if I need it. It's a shame CHAP doesn't work for me on RedHat 8.0, even when CHAP secrets is setup properly.

    Are the days of RedHat point releases gone? I had it embedded in my mind that the X.0 release was a little buggy, but by the time it reached X.2 or X.3 it was nice and stable.

  84. I would download it, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does noy support my AIW Radeon 7500, and there are no drivers supporting it in Linux, just in windows.

  85. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You made that sound mutually exclusive. Maybe it is...

  86. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mandrake is a French product. To purchase it means to stand up for the international diplomacy, national sovereignty, and the rule of law.

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  87. Financial support. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if you like the distro, you can do both yourself and Mandrake a favor by ordering box sets straight from them, or joining Mandrake's Club.

    I'm sorry, but if ANYONE is going to be flushing MY money down a toilet, it's going to be ME. Thank you.

  88. it doesn't include mplayer because of mplayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Mplayer people say not to include mplayer in distro's so Mandrake complies bad, bad mandrake

    i just add plf sources to my urpmi database and then
    su
    urpmi mplayer
    get asked if i want to install dependencys i type y
    thats it mplayer installed after downloading it automagically.

    So hard i know, glad i have a university degree or i don't know how i would manage. :P

  89. If you're going to respond with a quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    at least make an effort to get the quote correct. Sheesh...

    "I am Spartacus!" (with appropriate pauses between each word)

  90. Why not use it, AND screw them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In fairness, you can download and use Mandrake without sending these Frenchies a dime.

    I like the distribution as a desktop OS. May as well get the new one while you can. Just don't pay for it. It'd suck if they went out of business, but some things are more important than Easy-to-use Linux.

  91. I support Linux by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I only wish it wouls support me. I've purchased ~10 distros, dating back to SuSE 6.1, RedHat 6.3, Mandrake 7.1, 8.0, 8.2, just to name a few.

    Everytime I run into trouble I get the same response: "RTFM"

    Well I *did* RTFM and the FM didn't help, this is why I was posting to your Linux forum!

    I have yet to see an install of the aforementioned distros install successfully (and by that I mean see all my hardware) on any machine I care to throw at it. BeOS however (and MS, but that goes without saying) sees the hardware just fine.

    I want to like Linux, I really do, but all I ever see from them is copying/playing catchup to MS.

    Maybe this distro will be a different experience for me, but I kind of doubt it.

    --
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    1. Re:I support Linux by RestiffBard · · Score: 1

      dude, I desperately want to come to your house and help you install a distro. Seriously, if you lived anywhere near by I would be glad to give you a hand. I hate to see anyone having that hard a time with what it is to my mind one of the best things going in the tech world.

      all i can tell you otherwise is to keep plugging away at it. You'll get the "it all makes sense now" epiphany at some point. There was a time when even Linus had no idea what he was doing.

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    2. Re:I support Linux by mrkurt · · Score: 1

      Get yourself to your closest Linux user group: a list can be found with this link. You'll find folks there who have probably been through the problems you are experiencing, and who will be helpful. Unlike Mandrake, RedHat, and SuSE, it's the business of LUG's to share what they know... and it's always free.

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    3. Re:I support Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, I peruse the Gentoo forums and related newsgroup constantly and never see that reply. My recommendation is to try Gentoo, you'll learn more and the natives are friendlier.
      Unless you're lying of course, in which case: Piss off and RTFM.

    4. Re:I support Linux by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1
      Nice Troll, I'll bite
      I only wish it wouls support me. I've purchased ~10 distros, dating back to SuSE 6.1, RedHat 6.3, Mandrake 7.1, 8.0, 8.2, just to name a few.

      Hmm linux sucks, eh? Thats why you keep on buying Distros, though they are available for free, I seriously doubt buddy

      Well I *did* RTFM and the FM didn't help, this is why I was posting to your Linux forum!

      This is not a linux forun, this is a news site. Perhaps you posted to mandrake forum. If the FM didn't help you wouldn't ne told to do it. Maybe you went to Advanced developers forum, there are lot of Linux newbie forums too.

      I have yet to see an install of the aforementioned distros install successfully (and by that I mean see all my hardware) on any machine I care to throw at it. BeOS however (and MS, but that goes without saying) sees the hardware just fine.

      Hmm, most if not all hardware is supported with a few exceptions. However if BeOs detects it fine, I doubt linux wont detect it.

      I want to like Linux, I really do, but all I ever see from them is copying/playing catchup to MS

      Linux is a unix... Trying to catch up MS.... thats a new one!
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    5. Re:I support Linux by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      Thank you kindly. I *do* get it, but when Linux (SuSE 8.0) can't even see my Novell2000 standard PCMCIA NIC, that Win95 (even!), BeOS and OS/2 see right out of the box, it takes the fun out of things.

      In addition, the "fixes" I have run across for this don't appear to work, or the MAN info was so out of date (for kernel 2.0) that it also was of no use.

      Nonetheless, I will keep trying, and maybe one day it will work.

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    6. Re:I support Linux by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      I knew someone would see this as a troll...

      =Hmm linux sucks, eh? Thats why you keep on buying Distros, though they are available for free, I seriously doubt buddy=

      Nowhere in my post did I say Linux sucks, I only said it was trying to play catchup to MS.

      =This is not a linux forun, this is a news site. Perhaps you posted to mandrake forum. If the FM didn't help you wouldn't ne told to do it. Maybe you went to Advanced developers forum, there are lot of Linux newbie [google.com] forums too.=

      I know it's not a forum, I was making a comment on my experiences. And you have no idea the drivel I get from "Linux experts" about RTFM and "well that worked for me, try a different distro!"

      =Hmm, most if not all hardware is supported with a few exceptions. However if BeOs detects it fine, I doubt linux wont detect it.=

      Shall I give you a list? I have the list of the things BeOS sees fine that Linux can't/doesn't/or won't.

      =Linux is a unix... Trying to catch up MS.... thats a new one!=

      Lindows, for starters.

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    7. Re:I support Linux by FooBarWidget · · Score: 1

      If you truly purchased Linux distros then why don't you just call your distributor's tech support?

    8. Re:I support Linux by stickyc · · Score: 1
      I have yet to see an install of the aforementioned distros install successfully (and by that I mean see all my hardware) on any machine I care to throw at it. BeOS however (and MS, but that goes without saying)

      Actually, that goes with saying. I'm suprised you've been that lucky with Windows that you've never had to install any device drivers on any of your machines.

      As a counterpoint, I've got 6 different home-kludged PC's currently and have installed Windows and various linux flavors on all of them in the past year. Only one has worked completely (sound, X11 at the correct resolution, network, storage, mouse) with the "out of the box" OS install, and that OS happened to be Mandrake 9. That particular piece of hardware was actually one of the worst for Windows, I had to manually install network, video, and sound drivers to get it up and running properly.

      That being said, 2 of the machines I gave up on completely with linux, having never figured out how to get sound or X11 properly working. I'd never had to give up on a Windows install (although getting drivers onto the machines was sometimes pretty painful).

  92. Here we go with the FREELOADING again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look here, you obviously didn't read my post last time you stuck up idiot.

    If Mandrake provides free downloads, it is not freeloading. Your elitist view of those who download and use Mandrake for free sickens me and provides just another reason not to join the smug gold, silver, piss yellow, or whatever color scheme system Mandrake uses for those who contribute financially.

    When I download Mandrake's newest version, I'll laugh and not pay a cent, and think of you as I "freeload" what Mandrake provides for free.

    Idiot.

  93. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>international diplomacy

    By absolutely refusing to budge on your position and to say "I will not even read their proposal?" That is your idea of diplomacy?

    >>the rule of law

    By selling outlawed weapons to an evil dictator?

    >>national sovereignty

    By interceding in the Ivory Coast when no one asked them to? I don't recall UN approval of that action. Where is the diplomacy there?

  94. fixed by buchanmilne · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd like to know why Mandrake is behind in an area that is *very* important to the desktop user.

    Make that "was" instead of "is". And it was only Redhat that was ahead (really), the proprietary distros (Lindows etc) apparently just licensed the Apple patent, which shouldn't bother you if you are not in the US, since you could just get a better freetype from the PLF.

    But that is no longer the case, fonts on 9.1 rock, although it might have been nice to be able to include freetype2.1.4 ...

  95. Are there any BitTorrent Mirrors? by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Has anybody who's succeeded in downloading this thing set it up for BitTorrent, the P2P thing that's designed for applications like this? (Also, did anybody do this for the recent Knoppix? I saw one for version N-2 or whatever.) It's really the right choice for flash-crowd release slashdottings (and Mandrake and RedHat etc. ought to go hire Bram to help them :-)

    If you're not familiar with BitTorrent, it takes a large file (typically CD-size) chunks it up into ~1MB pieces, and client/peers who want the file either get chunks from the server or get pointed to other clients who already have them, and after receiving chunks correctly, make them available for other client/peers to download. The server keeps track of who's got what, manages its outgoing rates to something it can handle, and does some optimization to make sure all the chunks are getting handed out widely and efficiently, and either the client or server (I don't remember which, probably the server) does some anti-leech scheduling so that clients basically end up receiving at about the rate they're letting other people download from them if there's demand.

    One big difference between BitTorrent and the eDonkey/Kazaa/etc. P2P systems is that it's designed on a per-file basis - anybody who wants to export a given file can be a server for that file, and the client/peer process only exports files that it's actively connected to (either still downloading or being friendly and letting other people download after it's done), rather than exporting everything in your file-sharing directory.

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  96. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell them to stick their distro up their Chirac.

  97. At least they're helping restrain the yank empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And helping us in the Project For The New Eurpopean Millenium.

    Europa Endlos

  98. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    At least the Americans had the guts to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building.


    It is not implied that all Americans are terrorists, but I'm sure you get the point. Oh, wait, maybe you can't.

  99. And was it worth it? by xant · · Score: 1

    I know a Slashdot subscription isn't a lot of money, but what are you really getting? You need something to fill your life up with if you download a new distro release the second it's posted on here, and pay for that privilege.

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  100. Let Them Eat Cake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandrake club?
    I veto that every time I boot REDHAT
    I'm tired of supporting a bunch of effite socialists who think they are a Super Power until they get their tit in a wringer, then they come begging the rest of the world to save their worthless hides.

    I stopped using Mandrake as soon as they started begging. Let them fail!

  101. You're right. by carlmenezes · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's so much a case of liking free-loading as not liking having to shell out lots of cash for software that is poorly written (you know what I'm talking about). Mandrake 9.1 however, is a well done distro - I've been using it since RC1. I can safely say really wouldn't mind paying for it and have just joined the Mandrake Club, since I think these guys have EARNED my support.

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  102. Mandrake....Let the french support them!!! by slappy_guru · · Score: 0, Troll

    Give to Debian or even Redhat..Don't support Distro's like Mandrake or SUSE that are based in weasel countries while our troops are dying for us.

    Down with French and German "Weasels"!!!

    Rant from USN vet.

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    1. Re:Mandrake....Let the french support them!!! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah, stick to American distros - like Slackware.

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  103. club by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    right now, probably all the non-club guys are getting screwed on the mirrors. Club members are downloading from their nicely reserved mirrors (should be fast...but i'm not in the club, i got it yesterday morning as RC3). Who would you rather be a part of?

    Me...i just like being good.

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  104. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by be-fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    By absolutely refusing to budge on your position and to say "I will not even read their proposal?" That is your idea of diplomacy?
    >>>>>>>>>
    No, by respecting the UN and allowing the process to work.

    By selling outlawed weapons to an evil dictator?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    What country do you think propped up dictators (included Saddam) all through the Cold War? Hint: it wasn't France. Who do you think trained the people who would eventually become the Taliban? Again, not France. It was the US.

    By interceding(sic) in the Ivory Coast when no one asked them to? I don't recall UN approval of that action. Where is the diplomacy there?
    >>>>>>>
    France sent peacekeeping troops to the Ivory coast because there are a whole bunch of French citizens living there.

    Look, the point isn't whether France is great (it isn't, every country pretty much sucks donkey balls) or whether you even agree with what France's stance on the war is. The point is whether you can relate to their decision in a mature way without doing stupid stuff like renaming fast food.

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  105. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandrake is cool support it.

    On another note:

    Last time I checked, America liberated France from the Germans.

    Last time I checked, it was America that helped to reunite east and west Germany.

    Last time I checked, it was America that won the cold war causing the U.S.S.R. to split and giving a whole lot of countries a chance for autonomy again.

    Last time I checked, it was America that funds a huge amount of the United Nations. The U.N. would be irrelevent without the support of the United States.

    Last time I checked, The United States gave ample opportunity for Iraq to comply with the U.N. mandates. 12+ years!

    Last time I checked, the government of Iraq had slaughtered more muslims that you or I could count.

    Last time I checked, the government of Iraq had killed at least 800,000 of its people because they didn't kow tow to Saddam.

    Yeah, let's remember history. Mmmm...crunchy history.

  106. Do you think this is relevant ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, to tell ya, but you are comparing people dying to war with a linux distro.
    This is like if i compare my XP rebooting to the 9.11 !

    In mankind i trust.

    -SLK

    1. Re:Do you think this is relevant ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The poster was comparing cowards who won't even take the risk of letting someone else go to war with a server (not distro!) breaking connections because of overload. Learn to read.

  107. look and feel by paradesign · · Score: 1

    its nice to see that the linucies are taking the look and feel thing seriously. This release looks great, no Aqua, but better than XP. And its not just KDE 3.whatever or Gnome 2, cause there are some hideous looking themes for both. its nice to see that the default environment, the one that most users never change, looks good. its also nice to know that at any time i can do whatever i feel like with it, which i cant do (easily) in OSX.

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  108. RAID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does any one know if you are running Red Hat 8.0 with software raid 5, can you upgrade to this and maintain your raid volumes.

  109. NNoo bbuuggss!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    II''mm ppoossttiinngg tthhiiss ffrroomm mmyy ffrreesshh iinnssttaall ooff MMaannddrraakkee 99..11 aanndd II ccaann tteell yyoouu tthhaatt iitt wwoorrkkss ggrreeaatt!! TThheerree aarree nnoo bbuuggss aatt aall!!!!!!

  110. You must be new to *NIX by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 1

    It manages your man pages, duh

    heh

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  111. Actually ... by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    Magical is having it work out-the-box, which all the boxed sets have done since about 8.1.

    First boot you will see the NVidia logo as X starts.

    Even easier than having to actually *download* a driver, like in windows ...

    Guess I shuold also get around to updating http://ranger.dnsalias.com/nvidia_me for 9.1 ...

  112. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to not purchase it, you are stabbing one of the major Linux distro makers in the back.

    The way I see it, if a butcher offers his beef on two seperate shelves, one with a free tag on it and the other with a price tag, he shouldn't be surprised if people continue to take from the free shelf and overlook the shelf with the price tag attached. If the butcher blamed the people who entered his shop and only took from the free section, for his loss of money he is stupid. Likewise, so are you with your words. Your post sickens me as does your false logic.

    Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government, just as I have no control over my government. I voted for the Alliance party, but they didn't get in because of the other people in my country... Mandrake has nothing to do with politics, and to draw that relationship is very immature and stupid.

    I just read about tons of people in Germany and other countries who are refusing to buy anything that comes from America. If they can do it, so can we Americans.

    "Suck it down." Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem 3D

  113. Gnome2 for Mandrake8.2 by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    Gnome2 was rebuilt from cooker/9.0 for 8.2 a while back. It was available in the MandrakeClub at the time, but may be available in the MandrakeClub directory under unsupported on the Mandrake-devel mirrors.

    There would be more complications with Gnome2.2 for 9.0, since AFAIK 2.2. requires fontconfig, which can (via Xft1/Xft2 etc) break fonts in some ways in OpenOffice.org ... as the people running Tex's freetype2 on 9.0 found out ...

  114. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exactly, france didnt sell to Iraq until after the cold war

  115. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just hope that was badly worded sentence and not a reflection of your real views. Believe it or not, not all Muslims are terrorists.

    Maybe not. However, the Koran could very well be considered a terrorist's handbook by some. Look inside for the talk of hate, killing, and to not befriend Jews or Christians. People want to blame Christianity for all of the Crusades, yet they themselves haven't really studied the Crusades to see how violent the Muslims were.

    Islam does not mean peace. Islam = IslamE

    Muhammed and his Koran is very similar to J.Smith of Mormonism. Both claimed revelation(s) from angels and both had a book come out of their fanatical views. Both are false prophets. If you know anything about religion at all, you'll know this: Islam takes bits and pieces from Judaism and Christianity and rejects certain parts, cementing it all together with Muhammed's heretical views and instructions.

    How many Muslims have you heard REALLY condemn Bin Laden for what he did? All they want to babble about is America's foreign policy. They will say, "oh we don't condone the killing of innocents" yet the demon Bin Laden himself said that those who were working in the WTC were part of the system. This, along with the Koran's teachings, would tell me that 9/11 was a jihad against America, with sentiments deeply rooted in Islamic teaching.

    The sooner we realise that Islam is the enemy and must be removed from America peacefully, the better off we'll be. But we have the freedom of religion, which is looking more like freedom FROM religion with the serpent tongued atheists trying to remove religious symbols, phrases, and eventually churches from our beloved country. The demon Bin Laden was a sadistic salesman of Islam. What did you see following 9/11? The sick teachings of Islam being thrust upon our public school systems and Universities. It's interesting to note one of these professors was actually a radical Islamic himself. So now I see Muslims handing out their fake religion's propoganda and anti-Israel flyers all over the place. They enjoy freedom with their fake religion in the U.S. while Christians and Jews are tortured and killed by Muslims in Islamic countries. What hypocracy. Yet many Americans don't know about these crimes being committed against humanity in the Islamic countries. Where would they receive this news? How much religious news do you see on TV news? The reporters are as clueless about religion as they are about anything involving computers. So the way I see it, the fake muslim religion will try and bank on the ignorance of a good majority of the people and try to convert them to IslamE.

    What happens to Christians in Islamic countries? They face torture and death. Any Muslim who converts to Christianity can face death unless they renounce Christ. Is this a peaceful religion? No. Look at the freedom Muslims enjoy in the U.S. They can worship as they please. Does a devout Christian or Jew visiting an Islamic nation enjoy such freedom? No.

    The evil torture of Christians and Jews by Muslims continues around the world. It makes internet news, but it doesn't make national news very often. Why is this overlooked?

    Islam is evil and this is being proven more and more. Sadly, unless you study history and the origin of religions, you won't know this.

    I reject the false religion that is Islam and spit upon the Koran. I do have hope for the Muslims though, that they may find their way out of their false religion and abandon the teachings of the unholy Koran. I hate the false religion that is Islam, and hope for the people, that they may learn about all religions and compare them to theirs, and understand the truth, leaving their false religion and the lie that is the Koran, behind.

    Flame away in ignorance.

  116. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by dolson · · Score: 1

    For one thing, Germany is not France, and two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't about politics, it's about a fucking Linux distro.

    For another thing, Mandrake can do what they want with their product. It's pretty sad that you want to be a freeloading bastard with no respect to the people who worked to produce the software that YOU use. Your post raised only the point that people are cheap, pathetic, and ungrateful. Congratulations.

  117. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exactly, france didnt sell to Iraq until after the cold war

    So you're saying that it somehow matters WHEN the selling occurred? Take a look at the US govt... their hands are just as dirty.

    What about the $43 Million that the US gave the taliban in May of 2001 - four months before 9/11?

    "...This is the same Taliban that the Bush administration rewarded with $43 million at a time it knew of shocking human rights violations."

    To say that the administration was unaware of the taliban/al-qaeda connection would be purely and obscenely laughable.

  118. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and it was the americans that had the guts to snipe at one another, killing innocents for no reason...

    And it was the american's children who took a bunch of guns to a highschool and slaughtered other children...

    And it was the americans who.... oh nevermind... if you haven't gotten the point by now, you never will.

  119. Madness!!! by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait a minute... Things aren't right here. I thought the formula was fail miserably, give up, pout, and sue someone. Not(gasp)suck it up, improve your product so that even Her Pickiness, Eugenia likes it and keep giving back to the community. This makes no sense at all. Good job Mandrake.

  120. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, a few people are doing that. Big deal, it's not serious. It's the same mentality that's causing 'freedom fries', but in reverse. I would suspect that this mentality is MUCH more prolific in the US than it is anywhere in Europe or Canada.

    But really, the us/france/germany/canada are still going to be trading partners, whether you like it or not. There's nothing you can do about it. The US's strength is built on revenue generated by trade, wars cost money, and the US would be loathe to cut off a couple of its major trading partners (and hence revenue streams) especially when bush is requesting billions upon billions in cash for the war effort.

    However, I find the french effort to send pretzels to bush HIGHLY amusing.

  121. Boycott Mandrake??? by bobcat7677 · · Score: 1

    I have used Mandrake for some time and like it. But shouldn't us patriotic Americans be boycotting Mandrake...and maybe SUSE too for that matter? Maybe I'll go try Redhat again....

    1. Re:Boycott Mandrake??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you should ditch the Linux kernel too, as well as KDE and MySQL. Fucking anti-war Eurotrash! We'll show them by not buying their faggot pro-Saddam software. Oh hang on...it's free, AND YOU'RE A FUCKING STUPID CUNT!

      Yes I know I've just been trolled, but it's always good for the soul to call someone a cunt.

    2. Re:Boycott Mandrake??? by FlyerFanNC · · Score: 1

      I'm a patriotic American, I'm in favor of the war, and I fully support our President, but I think all this "freedom fries" and France- and Germany-bashing is childish. They are standing up for what they believe is right, even if I happen to disagree with them.

      I'll be signing up for the Mandrake Club this week.

    3. Re:Boycott Mandrake??? by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 1

      Well, shouldn't the rest of us boycott American stuff then. Please keep politics out of this.

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  122. Can people who got the free version share/post it? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1
    Some people already got the .iso's and I feel like I shouldn't beat up Mandrake's servers, since I don't have any money to give them this year. But I would love to download this through the eDonkey network, or even better, get it from a newsgroup.

    I think we should try to use these very useful technologies for legal things as much as possible. I promise to share it through mldonkey once I get it.

  123. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Flame away in ignorance. man, you suck. People like you give the rest of Christianity a bad name. Well, that and the fact that you believe in fairy tales. Oooo, there's some powerful being I can't see or touch who will give me a wonderful afterlife if I follow 3 or 4 of the 100,000 rules in this book translated 6 times from its original language. When your children ask you why does the world hate America....look in the mirror. Religion is a tool by which the wealthy control the poor. Nothing more, nothing less. Please forgive me, the devil made me do it.

  124. BitTorrent Mirror by Sits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have briefly set up the following with lots of help from the folks on #bittorrent (thanks!):

    Mandrake 9.1 Bittorrent link. If you are behind a NAT or a stateful firewall then the link will not work until a few people whose machines accept incomming connections start downloading from it. Clicking the link will not automatically work but it can easily be fed to the Bittorrent command line tools.

    1. Re:BitTorrent Mirror by mxs · · Score: 1

      The same .torrent (though this time not garbled :) is avaiable here and here ... Guess something went wrong on the server side ;)

    2. Re:BitTorrent Mirror by Harker · · Score: 1

      Just to add one note to this, in case anybody reads it...

      Even if you've finished downloading the files, keeping the download window open, allows other's to get the file from you, and anyone else who has it.

      The more people with full files doing this, the faster the downloads for everybody else.

      If you haven't done so, download the "mandrake9.1.torrent" file directly from the link and save it locally. When you want to start it up again (if finished or not) simply double click on the .torrent file, and it'll start up again and pick up where it left off. If it's done, it'll start serving bit's out to everybody else.

      Thanks to those who put this up. I've got 30 hours left to go... :P

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    3. Re:BitTorrent Mirror by miracle69 · · Score: 1

      I showed 30 hours as well.

      Not exactly impressive. It's much easier to find a fast ftp server that can push 2 MB/min than this bit torrent stuff. But I'll leave my connection open...

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  125. Try Bittorrent by Sits · · Score: 1

    If all else fails, try getting it via Bittorrent (see this other Bittorrent post for more details).

  126. BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by Jamuraa · · Score: 3, Informative

    BitTorrent Link of Mandrake 9.1 <-- You need BitTorrent to click here.

    Download BitTorrent Here or `apt-get install bittorrent` on debian, and I think there is a port for it for you FreeBSD people.

    Anyone who wants to get this file, should try using BitTorrent to get it. It is a file swarming application that helps everyone get the file by uploading pieces of the file you have already downloaded. It should transfer faster, and the best part is, everyone gets the file faster than the Mandrake FTP site, which I am sure has limited bandwidth.

    Props to the other people mentioning BitTorrent.

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    1. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by MicAttAck · · Score: 1

      Hey cool!
      It took me about 15min to set wxpython and all the stuff up.
      Then It took me another 10min to get my firewall iptables rules straight (basically plug port 6881 thru and allow outgoing connections to 6969).
      It's now downloading at 34KB/s and uploading at about 37KB/s.
      Not bad.

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    2. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by gr0k · · Score: 1

      Someone should really moderate that post up higher. I'm currently downloading at 90k. Thank you very much Jamuraa!

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    3. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by wtmcgee · · Score: 1

      the more people using this, the better. i'm *only* gettting around 28k/s, but it's better than hammering FTP sites all morning.

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    4. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by kauff · · Score: 1

      I hate to be the luser here, but...

      What is that 2GBs file supposed to be...?

      The isos of the 3 CDs compressed in some kind of format?

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    5. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by Jamuraa · · Score: 1

      There is no 2GB file. In BitTorrent, you can create a torrent of a directory.
      When you start the torrent, BitTorrent creates a directory called 'mandrake9.1/' (IIRC), and creates the 3 ISO files inside it.

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    6. Re:BitTorrent -- everyone helps everyone! by MicAttAck · · Score: 1

      Finally a post from my iffy-spiffy new Mandrake.
      It took me about 14 hours to download. Since the machin ran thru the night my UL to DL ratio is probably somewhere around 1,4:1 (so I am a contributer).
      I like. Much better than the RedHat 8 I had beforehand.
      I am still having problems with my CD-Burner, DVD setup, but those are glitches I can cope with.
      FWIW I even got my integrated Soundcard on this Dell Dimension 4550 running and played an AVI-File 3 Minutes after installation finished.
      Take that Windows XX

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  127. News flash by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    Eugenia, if you hadn't figured it out yet, does some crazy stuff.

    on my system, it booted quite speedily, and that's a 300mhz k6-2. Boot time was nice and fast...system was pretty responsive running kde. definately usable.

    sure there are some services, but nothing ridiculous. And mdk's services manager let's you pick and choose, stop and start, easily.

    I'm sorry us poor mandrake users aren't as l33t as the gentoo folks...

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  128. ain't no doubt about it by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    yes. optimized for mmx technologies. and chicken.

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    1. Re:ain't no doubt about it by Ponty · · Score: 1

      I like chicken. I almost got rid of my Macs because they don't have native support for chicken. There are rumors that it's coming in 10.3.

  129. I won't buy it until the UN sanctions it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck the stinking unwashed French, all of them. They steal fungus from the mouths of starving pigs. They're a cowardly lot of leftist leeches.

    1. Re:I won't buy it until the UN sanctions it, by jhunsake · · Score: 1

      Mandrake is French? Fuck them then. Debian here I come...!

  130. Some order please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK new rule, 24 hour waiting period before posting that a distro has been released, the load on the mirrors is insane.

  131. oh. by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    oh. in that case, i'm retarded. :D

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  132. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by repoleved · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    To purchase it is to stab all those American, British, Australian, Shiite, and Kurdish people who are battling for freedom in the back.

    Sounds like a good reason to purchase it, to me. :)

  133. sharing by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    i'm sharing the files...no one has downloaded them. perhaps because they are labelled as rc3 and not final?

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  134. finally... by phatvibez · · Score: 1

    so right before Microsoft plans to ditch NTFS for WinFS (there database like filesystem) we get NTFS resize features...

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    1. Re:finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you know what they say - "Better late than never"

    2. Re:finally... by citog · · Score: 1

      Yeah ... shame on those ba*ds for only providing access to a closed source technology now ...

    3. Re:finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > so right before Microsoft plans to ditch NTFS for WinFS (there database like filesystem)
      > we get NTFS resize features...

      So why didn't you work on it before, instead of waiting for others?

      But "_very_" seriously, it's irrelevant: when WinFS will be released as a techology, everybody already migrated to Linux :) Anyway, Longhorn default fs is still NTFS. WinFS have been promised by Microsoft for 10 years!

  135. YAY MANDRAKE by hswerdfe · · Score: 1

    YAY Linux for morons....

    err....I mean LINUX for me....

    1. See Mandrake post on slashdot
    2. leave work early to download
    3. ????
    4. Profit....no wait get Fired yah thats what would happen, oh well fuck it I can't wait YAY Mandrake!

    p.s. I like mandrake So I became a member!...I just hope I didn't waist my money and give it to the liquidators

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  136. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please try English next time, Johnny Foreigner.

  137. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by MarvinMouse · · Score: 1

    Exactly, considering

    (Percentage of trading (from CIA World Factbook 2002, US Page))

    Canada 22.4% Export, 19% Import
    German 4.1% Export, 5.2% Import
    France 4.1% Export, Import not marked. (5%)

    Thus, cutting off just these 3 partners, they would lose over a quarter of their exports, which I think considering the war losses would be absolutely absurd for them to do.

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  138. Final == RC3 by leukos · · Score: 1

    Not all mirrors have the Final version, but one can get the RC3 from mirrors (ex: metalab, listed under 'MandrakeSecurity MNF for i586 and more.'). The MD5 are the same!

  139. want to know by djupedal · · Score: 1

    Did you have an opportunity to find out how 9.1 handles existing configurations of things such as XAWTV/Streamer/PHP/SAMBA/USB/QuickTime, etc.?

    If you had something relative to the above, did the existing configurations carry forward with or without effort?

  140. Pssst.. by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1


    Hey, what do you get when you cross Mandrake 9 (Bamboo) and Red Hat 8 (Limbo)?

    Answer: Windows (Bimbo)

    1. Re:Pssst.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Redhat 8 was Psyche, so your formulae gives us Windows (Bike). Ha?

  141. Please use this! by Patik · · Score: 1
    I am getting around 116KB/s and uploading at 150KB/s, and I'm even firewalled. I've got 10Mbps (edu) to go around, so jump in! Unlike a server, the more people that are downloading, the faster it goes.

    And remember to leave the window open for a while after you finish downloading so others can get it too.

  142. lack of mirrors.. by wtmcgee · · Score: 1

    i'm suprised by the lack of mirrors at this point. i'm not in a HUGE rush to upgrade to 9.1, but i was hoping i could get into a mirror and D/L the 3 CD's overnight.

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  143. Does it matter which? by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

    I guess what' I'm trying to ask is will speed vary according to which link I use? And is my upload more effective (shared with more people with one link than another? Or do they all somehow go into the same bandwidth pool?

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    1. Re:Does it matter which? by raph · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't matter which. The torrent file is identical from both sources, and connects you to the same tracker. As it turns out, server load for the tracker is pretty minimal, but each download of the .torrent file chews up 150k or so.

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    2. Re:Does it matter which? by mxs · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter which, no. Both files are the same and point to the same tracker. I just included two links in case one of them goes down :)

  144. update by jhealton · · Score: 1

    is there and update to go from 9.0 to 9.1 without having to download the whole iso?

  145. Linux on the desktop by AvengerXP · · Score: 1

    I always thought that if an OS could replace Windows on the desktop of 90% of users, Mandrake would be the one. It's by far the easiest to use for newbies. I'm not a fan of *nix, I even consider myself a microsoft fanboy. But I know what I like, and I like this one a lot. Too bad my first Linux experience was Initial GUI Setup, reboot, then kernel panic. If you thought blue screens weren't very descriptive, you should see a Linux dump. I'm willing to try again tough!

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  146. ASUS A7N-266-VM!!!! by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    Yep, you had the same bug I did...pre-2.4.20 kernels have an allergy to NForce USB and it caused Linux to lock up tight as a drum. When the problem is the kernel you can safely say that Linux indeed locked up.

    The 2.4.20 Linus kernel did the trick for my A7N-266-VM, I now have a really kickin' gaming box...and it doesn't run Windows. MDK9 plus the new kernel plus the nvdriver makes for a potent combo, especially when you have a GeForce Ti4200 in the AGP slot.

    Gotta love ASUS...the Toyota of motherboard manufacturers. Well crafted and will last almost forever if you care for it right.

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    1. Re:ASUS A7N-266-VM!!!! by valmont · · Score: 1

      hey hey geekette, i just read your journal entry. if, by any chance, u do see this message and have time to waste, please try to read my last journal entry on war in iraq ... i'll preface all this that i understand the pain you feel for our troops and for the people of iraq, it's truly horrible and sad to have been placed in this situation. i'm merely attempting to show that containment would only starve iraqis longer, and that i'd like peace activists to try to stop and think about the complex situations invovled, stop going to demonstrations simply to repeat shallow slogans such as "war is not the answer", and focus their efforts on keeping this administration on its toes to follow-through in the proper reconstruction of Iraq, to build a better future for the iraqis, and start a process of stability in the middle-east. take care ....

    2. Re:ASUS A7N-266-VM!!!! by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      hehe, I hadn't even gotten to the USB issues, I was choking hard on the lack of IDE drivers in 2.4.19.. After all the NV stuff on top of the 2.4.21pre5ac3 stuff (with NV ide fixes), everything works well except dvd playback (which freezes the system and pegs the IDE indicator light, I think it's contention among the ide scsi cd drivers or something).

      My new work baby.. And yes, thanks to xev and lineakd, all those multimedia keys are remapped to useful things like new browser, new mail msg, new terminal, new google browser, etc..

    3. Re:ASUS A7N-266-VM!!!! by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      Dude! Very cool bitty box! I am a big fan of little computers that do big things. Very soon I will have a co-located VIA EPIA box. Those rock as fileservers/web servers.

      The USB issues were causing the computer to lock because we were using an USB mouse during the install. In retrospect I'm glad that this bug was provoked...it meant that we were able to get a better kernel in. I am still having DVD playback issues myself...stuttery playback in MPlayer. We thought it was buffer issues, but it could be IDE driver problems, come to think of it.

      What distro are you using? Just curious. I am going to stuff MDK9.1 in as soon as I can. This hacked MDK9 is ok and all but there were lots of compromises made and lots of raggedy edges that needed to be fixed. Maybe the new Mandrake with their version of 2.4.21 might be just the ticket.

      You have a very cool domain name and a very cool site. I just hope you aren't running a stock PHPNuke install because there's tons of security issues with it. I know...if it was a tighter piece of software MsGeek.Org would still be up and running. [sigh]

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  147. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

    Interesting comment from an ANONYMOUS COWARD. At least the French are standing up for their beliefs...

  148. debian mandrake by sewagemaster · · Score: 1


    i'm still using debian unstable for my linux partitions. been thinking about doing a switch-over... can anyone tell me why i would want to do a switch over. btw, is mandrake having easier font setup out of the box?

  149. Re:Attention, all French people: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the american revolutionary war. If it wasn't for those french pussies, you'd still be the UK's bitch.
    In the britain-france war at the time, they had armies bigger than your entire population. The UK could have crushed you like bugs. Were it not for the fact that by that time the UK was willing to let you go, and that france helped you, you'd still be a nation of whiny thrown-over-the-bed-by-britain wannabe independent dumbasses.
    Suck it back. You as a nation owe everything to the french.

    PS: you're calling the french ugly? Aren't 70% of americans grossly obese? So if I were to call you a lardass, statistically, I'd probably be correct.

  150. Is it much different from RC2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello. I installed the 9.1 RC2. I was not lucky with it. I like Mandrake over Redhat because the menus are arranged more unstandably, ICS and server settings look to be good.

    However, there is a serious problem. I can't connect to the net. I have two network card. One is D-Link 530-FD? and RTL 8029 NIC. Although it can ping with IP address but can't ping to www.yahoo.com, for example. I couldn't figure out how to see the retrieved DNS server information and others. There is no half/full duplex mode changer.

    When I have upgraded Linux for myself for 10 years, however current Linuxes don't look to be good for changing setting, etc.

    Anyway, is ther any problem with the 9.1 Final?

    1. Re:Is it much different from RC2? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      there are problems with the version you have.
      Dump it and go get the final release.

  151. BOYCOTT FRANCE by labiator · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Sorry...but even though I love Mandrake and think is it the finest distro out there, when their gov't puts my brothers in arms lives in jeopardy, I have to say "No Thanks" Looks like I will be waiting for RedHat

    --
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    1. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, you idiot.

    2. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same goes for SUSE and all their Nazi colleagues who have sole chemcial weapons to Iraq and stabbed us in the back repeatedly in the last 6 months.

    3. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otro pendejo !!!

    4. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by 10Ghz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean because France doesn't do everything US wants them to do, they should be boycotted? And how exactly is France putting US soldiers at risk?

      This may come as a shock to you, but the World is not US's playground where everyone must do whatever US wants them to do.

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    5. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Is it technically possible to have a Rush Limbaugh Dittohead filter on Slashdot?

      Please?

    6. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apart from the quite obvious misunderstanding of the French role in this whole story (French government did not send US soldiers in the golf, US government did it), there is another question:

      What exactly do you think Mandrake can do about this?

      What i mean is: Small companies do not mess with daily politics. If they do, they are gone.

    7. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by iainl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I know, offtopic...

      I'd really just love to know how

      (a) the _French_ Government put US soldiers lives in danger, when all they have done is attempt to stop the _US_ Government sticking them in a position where they are getting shot at, and

      (b) why this means you should boycott Mandrake; its not a Government owned distro is it?

      After all, if anyone is going to whinge about people's lives being put in danger it would be me (as a Brit) boycotting the US as its your President who has got British troops in the firing line (and done a rather better job of killing them than the Iraqis, while we mention it). I'm not doing so, however, as I fail to see how it would be Redhat's fault.

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    8. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by iapetus · · Score: 1

      Heh. Offtopic *and* flamebait.

      Current score for killing British citizens is:

      Iraq: 2
      Britain: 8
      US: 12
      France: 0

      I'll be downloading 9.1 tonight and buying the CDs when my pay comes through.

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      Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
    9. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by D+iz+a+n+k+Meister · · Score: 1

      A-fucking-men to that!!!

      --

      He painted a unicorn in outer space. I'm askin' ya, what's it breathin'?
    10. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you one of the retards that is decided to rename french fries as freedom fries?

      any way boo-fucking-hoo that the french government has different policies then the good ol' USA. they're their own country and can follow a course of action that they feel necessary.

      also, how does this relate to a software company in any way shape or form? do you know what their political viewpoints are? or is it just that your wonderfully narrow view of things makes anything french = bad? i'm in awe of how retarded you are.

    11. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by madpuppy · · Score: 1

      Your about as stupid as the French protesters that are throwing rocks and storming McDonalds to try to hurt an american company, did you stop eating broccoli years back when Georg Bush senior said he didn't like it?

      The world of buisness is not so black and white, for example if you buy a Mazda you are making Ford money (they have controling shares in Mazda stock) mitsubisi-Chrysler my beloved Toyota-GM,

      Things are not so cut n' dry in the real world.

    12. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one said you did, dumbfuck. But for every action, there are consequences.

    13. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      France's interests are economic in Iraq. They are selling jet engines and such to them. Just who exactly is France allied with these days? As we dig into this war, it is becoming quite clear what the real reasons are for not supporting the U.S. We need to re-evaluate who America's friends really are.

    14. Re:BOYCOTT FRANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at the rate they're going, the US will not have any friends left in another decade or so. hopefully the US economy will continue to crash so that the playing field returns to an approximation of evenness. at least then the US gov might pull their heads our of their asses and start listening instead of continually dictating.

  152. Anything revolutionary? by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    We've seen major Linux distros increase their version numbers rapidly over the past year, but have there been any serious innovations? It seems to me that the average Joe User still cannot do an installation entirely by himself. While the UIs have seen a lot of improvement... even distributions like Mandrake are still at a high technical level. Of course, it's not like most people can do a Windows installation by themselves. MacOS X certainly pulls this one off. ;-)

    1. Re:Anything revolutionary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mac os x can only be installed on a very limited range of hardware

      this makes the install much easier

  153. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  154. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by eegad · · Score: 1

    > Mandrake has absolutely NO control over the actions of the government

    I agree. Just start referring to it as Freedom Linux and keep consuming. Why pour out your bottles of wine and fdisk your OS away when they're still perfectly good? Mmmm.. must have freedom fries....

  155. Instead of a new theme by cebarro · · Score: 1

    How about a more intuitive way to set up servers, DNS, Shares, etc. Themes are nice, and I will appreciate the Wireless support on my laprop, but it would be nice not to have to jump through my own ass to get interchange, etc. to do what I want. Yes, I know....RTFM. sorry

  156. You can get them on giFT by Kludge · · Score: 1

    Redhat 8, Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0 are available on giFT. I know, because I put them there.

    1. Re:You can get them on giFT by Kludge · · Score: 1

      You can also get Knoppix, Debian, and Slackware too. I just searched.

  157. Uh... Prosuite? by shut_up_man · · Score: 1

    It may be my dirty mind, but did anyone else read "Prostitute" when they saw Mandrake's "Prosuite" pack?

  158. A day late and a Franc short by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0, Troll

    Well, too bad for 9.1
    No, this is not a troll or flame bait. I LOVE Linux, I'm just frustrated
    with Mandrake, and with good cause.

    I've had enough trouble that I just purchased Suse 8.1

    Flakey fonts, flakey video, flakey lilo, flakey sound, flakey you name it.
    It was fun though, it was my training wheels, Mandrake got me going.
    I've fought and fought with with it and just can't handle it any more.
    When I discovered that they took some shortcuts on the kernel source and
    header files to make it easier for THEM that was the straw that broke the
    camels back. I've lost an entire month trying to get my VIVO card working
    so I edit and begin producing some DIY home repair video tapes.

    I've tried for weeks to get my VIVO card working and it will not work unless
    I build a custom kernel. Nope, not gonna do it.

    I loaded Suse up just as a trail run and it was beautiful, the fonts were
    excellent, it was very crisp, very clean. I really liked the look and
    feel. And the first thing it did was detect my Nvidia card and inform me
    that they could not distribute drivers for legal reasons. It then asked me
    if I wanted to connect to the Nvidia server to download and install the
    drivers. I clicked yes and a few seconds later it informed that I needed
    to restart X to begin using my newly installed drivers. I did and it was
    great! I had total HELL getting them installed with Mandrake, I spent
    weeks trying and printed a REEM of help files, forums, and readme's..

    I had HELL with the on board AC97 sound card and stuck in a PCI sound card.
    It still makes farting noises when I scroll graphics or try to scan with my
    SCSI HP 4P scanner. I can't scan anything bigger than a postage stamp
    without a kernel panic. Mandrake handles the interrupts on my brand new
    mobo like shit.

    Every other time I boot the fonts go from big to little. Web pages are so
    damn tiny you can't read them. I have set the fonts, carefully too, and as
    I said, sometimes they look great, sometimes they SUCK.

    Mandrake Lilo sucks. It just SUCKS. 9 out of 10 times it will not boot.
    I thought my hard drive was bad until I discovered that with Suse it would
    boot 100% of the time using GRUB. So I dumped Mandrake lilo and and now it
    boots everytime with grub.

    Supermount superSUCKS. What total shit. I disabled it and just manually
    mount the CD and floppy when I need it. Never could find UNMOUNT though.
    I just eject /mnt/cdrom instead. I can't use Konqueror to copy files from
    the CDR to HDD, I have to use MC.

    All in all, all the problems FORCED me to dig in and learn. I'll always
    remember Mandrake, and I'll still recomend it for beginners. It's an OK
    system for people that never tinker with things. I have several friends
    that use it and are very happy, they just click and drool. I set them up
    to browse, download MP3's, burn music CD's, download pictures from usenet,
    and email friends. It works fine for them and they are just hunkey dorey
    happy. But they don't know any different, and they have NO desire to screw
    around with it.

    I HAVE to be on the bleeding edge because I have to have a hi-pref PC for
    video production and I have to be several steps ahead of the people I
    support so that I can answer their questions and fix their problems.

    Mandrake is a good system for beginners if your needs are lightweight but if
    you have to have a workhorse you better be prepared to do battle with it to
    get it there and to keep it there. If you just want something other than
    winblows for simple Internet use and as a first Linux box, Mandrake it OK.

    It was fun but I must move up to a more serious distro.
    No time for fiddling around, I have to go to work now.
    Well Mandrake, all I can say is Auf Wiedersehen!!

  159. Unofficial Mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just crusing around the Mirrors on Mandrakes page I found this ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/iso Not listed but the ISO's are there none the less. Is Mandrake gonna hate me for spilling the news? :) Prolly shouldnt tell you since it will ruin my download times. Oh well. Enjoy...

    1. Re:Unofficial Mirror? by Rastor · · Score: 1

      Sweet thanks; I'm maxing out my T1 line downloading off that site.

      I wish I had mod status right now; i'd bump your post up.

  160. BitTorrent Download by cemysce · · Score: 1

    For anyone who uses BitTorrent, here is a torrent file with which to download the ISO.

  161. i dont know... by skaeight · · Score: 1

    I don't know Lloyd...the French are assholes

  162. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE - even more OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but I'm french so I don't understand all subtilities of english language. Is freedom is synonymous for oil in us english ?

  163. Interesting stuff by ciryon · · Score: 1
    OS X and Mandrake are both using CUPS. That means the printer will show up in your printer list even without Rendezvous as CUPS broadcasts the info itself. I have such a setup right now and it works flawlessly. I would be interesting to see what Mandrake have cooked up with ZeroConf support. As far as I know there's only two ways to advertise services using ZeroConf on a Linux box; with a Java program or mdnsd. I wonder if MandrakeSoft have written their own software? More info can be found here.

    Ciryon

  164. the point is by deno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are only two choices:

    1) A company that sticks to the values of Open Source/Free Software movement, and then has to remind the users from time to time that development costs.
    2) A company that does not stick to these values, and try to turn Linux into proprietary system by putting its proprietary licenses on key parts of the system, and such.

    The point is that companies of the second groop inherently have less interest in keeping the prices low and quality high than those of the first group... You just got rid of Microsoft BECAUSE they were the company of the second type, and now you are begging for a Linux-clone thereof? Does not make sense to me.

    Mandrake is in the first group, and that's a Good Thing For You (TM), because it assures that you really OWN your software, and that the company can never become a big bad monopolist that does not care about your (customers) needs.

    As for the MandrakeClub, it happens to be a very nice service that's worth the money you pay for it. IMHO, the 'Club' model is the future of free software financing, at least as far as SoHO and home users are concerned. All the other models I've seen so far are either:

    Service offers targeting big companies

    or:

    Based on the idea that free software must be wrapped in proprietary license in order to sell it the classical way.

    1. Re:the point is by Tyreth · · Score: 1

      I'm not even close to convinced, really.

      Selling a distribution seems an old fashioned method. Services, hardware, etc, this is where money lies. If Mandrake wants to offer a good quality distribution in the spirit of opensource, then let them do that. We believe in open source because we believe it is superior - that quality software can come out of people with little finances. Now if we need to carry a company on our back because they are asking for sympathy purchases, then we are demonstrating that open source software, or at least this model, does not work. It can only succeed when people artificially induce success, and therefore seems more like a burden than a success.

      I just think selling software boxes is a dying paradigm. I don't see why the community should burden itself carrying a dying dinosaur on longer. I like mandrake, it was my favorite of rpm based distribution, but can only last too long. The time will come when people will not purchase it out of sympathy. It will then have to survive on it's own two feet or die.

      At least, that's the way I see it. I'm happy to acknowledge I could be wrong.

    2. Re:the point is by deno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me see:

      "Service": MandrakeClub is a service. I fully agree with you that this is the future.
      "Boxes": This is indeed a dying model. Sure, tehre will always be a place for a few boxes, but this is not where one can expect the big growth.
      "Hardware": This is for "big guys". Forget it for now.

      So far so good. And now to more interesting part:

      "We don't need the company on our back": Yes. I am quite sure that you are perfectly ready to do all the work on distro development on your own and without asking anythign in return. Get a life - building a distro costs, and SOMEONE has to pay for it. (Yes, even Debian has a funding, even though it's not centralised but shared between the companies that have a vested interest in it. That's why Debian is such a good server, and bad desktop - the folks who pay for the development want to have good server distro...)

      "Artificially induced success": now, that's a nice neologism! Every success is "artificial", because in order to be succesfull you need to persuade the people to buy your product, or get the money elsewhere.

    3. Re:the point is by Tyreth · · Score: 1

      By artifical success, I mean one that would fail as soon as charity purchases ceased. Microsoft would still survive, along with thousands of other companies.

      As for distributions, i'd be more than happy to contribute to make sure Gentoo was able to work by offerring services for free, as many others do. Mandrake is not asking for donations, it's asking for people to purchase it's product so they can make a profit. Lokigames said I think that they didn't want people to buy games they didn't like just to support the company. That's what I'm talking about.

      And your first point, it has services good. If it can't make money off those either they are taking the wrong approach or need to fix up their business model. Either way, the crux of my point still hasn't been destroyed in my eyes - that there is no point supporting a company-for-profit through charitable sympathy purchases unless those purchases are merely to hold it through a tough time. If I saw that Mandrake was just going through a tough patch, but an upturn was around the corner, then I wouldn't be saying what I am. If that's true, then good.

    4. Re:the point is by madpuppy · · Score: 1

      The only people who call MDK "beggars" are people who don't use MDK (and professional trolls), it bothers them that MDK has desktop marketshare rather than thier beloved distro. we know why MDK always wins popularity polls.

      I have been using mandrake since 5.3 and I have paid for allmost every version I have used.

      Keep up the good work Mandrake.

    5. Re:the point is by Alrocket · · Score: 1

      It always strikes me as rather strange when people use the "MDK" to describe Mandrake... it reminds me of Kurt gliding around and taking sniping head shots :) Al.

  165. MandrakeSoft's financial health by Submarine · · Score: 1

    I'm a bit curious on the following issue: I've been told by people who used to work for MandrakeSoft that the company was having serious financial problem.

    In a nutshell, they have not-enormous, but significant, expenses, mostly personnel (programmers etc...) and they don't make that much money - there are not that many people that buy the CDs (as opposed to downloading ISOs or copying the CDs).

    Can anyone confirm?

    1. Re:MandrakeSoft's financial health by acarey · · Score: 1

      Sounds like every for-profit Linux distributor on the planet, with the possible exception of RedHat...

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  166. Contrib problems by Wolf+nipple+chips · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have to point out that I ran into several problems with the RPMS2 (aka Contrib) dir on all the mirrors I tried : libgcrypt*.rpm have wrong md5 sums and the synthesis file contain incorrect version info on the dillo package (0.7.1.2-1 instead of 0.7.0-1) which prevents urpmi from working properly.

    --
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
  167. Think for yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and perhaps you might come to the conclusion that helping Donald Rumsfeld take revenge on the man who betrayed him after he betrayed Saddam Hussein (with military support for Iran after a promise to support Iraq in the fight against the Ayatohlla) does not constitue 'patriotism'.

    This is just one of the many possible explanations.

    After years of support and many, many billions in arms something has convinced your government to 'invest' 85.000.0000.000 dollar in the removal of a former ally. Why?

    And perhaps we shouldn'd mix Open Source and politics?

  168. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by skillet-thief · · Score: 1
    By interceding in the Ivory Coast when no one asked them to? I don't recall UN approval of that action. Where is the diplomacy there?

    Yes, there was UN approval. The entire Security Council, including the US, voted in favor of French action in the Ivory Coast. France was widely praised by the Security Council for its intervention, possibly preventing Rwanda style massacres.

    --

    Congratulations! Now we are the Evil Empire

  169. Fast mirror by Yenya · · Score: 1
    Hello, I have a fast mirror, also available on IPv6. Mandrake has broken mirror-checking scripts, their list of mirrors is > 1 day old, even though they claim they update it every 10 minutes. So don't bother to contact any of the four mirrors which are currently listed at their site.

    And, of course, consider joining Mandrake club after downloading the distro.

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    -Yenya
    --
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  170. Re:Buy here real cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Cheapbytes has excellent prices on distributions.

    You can get the disks shipped to you overnight for under $30 if you want them that fast and want to spend the extra money for express shipping. Or under $15 if you get it shipped 2 day express.

    If you are really insistent on spending $70, you can order Red Hat, Mandrake, and a third, fourth, and fifth distro of your choice, and have everything shipped overnight, and probably have some coin left over.

  171. RedHat playing version catch-up? by ites · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    By scheduling a 9.x release skipping their 8.1 and 8.2 updates?
    Does anyone else find this interesting/amusing, seeing as Mandrake is largely a tuned repackaging of RedHat.

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  172. E-Donkey links! by Tord · · Score: 1
    Just reposting the edonkey-links of the above comment since that had a score of 0, making a lot of people miss the links, and I currently don't have any moderation points to mod it up with :(

    /Tord

    ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso|68216422 4|7422d9374a1bd9187254de638f47c7d3|
    ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso|681279488 |9bc5687f06ecf26e1f767623dc8f6421|
    ed2k://|file|Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso|68157440 0|82530029d63b3624020fcc40aa9ad625|

    and unlike ftp links, the more people that use these, the better.

  173. Re:A little history on Mandrake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only arrogant country today is the US.
    Fighting a war in Iraq without being mandated through the UN is arrogant. No tolerance about different opinions in other countries is arrogant. Saying Saddam has weapons of mass destruction without ANY evidence is arrrogant. (Saddam is the bad boy, no doubt, but what about North Korea?)

    That's was pisses most Europeans off.
    Yes, boycott France, boycott Germany, boycott every country that will not follow your braindead "free the world" actions. US are only interested in US, why should we support that?

  174. Re:We're thinking more than you can imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    After years of support and many, many billions in arms something has convinced your government to 'invest' 85.000.0000.000 dollar in the removal of a former ally. Why?


    We're bored. When Americans party, we do it big. Real big. Just look at the glorious events of today. Wave after wave after wave of the special armed forces of Saddam attacking American troops, and being mowed down by the glorious M-16 without a single American casualty in that battle.

    And let's not forget the bonus modifiers. Up north, we get to watch the Kurds rip Saddam supporters to pieces with their bare hands. And in Basra, We get to watch the Shiites chop up the Saddam supporters while we blockade the town (ok, ok, the Brits are happily helping us out, we can't take all the credit).

    We get to have our cake, and eat it too. First we get the Afghanis and even Saddam to run interference with the Soviets. Once that's done, we string along Saddam for the oil while we horde our own oil, and he runs interference for us by keeping the territory from breaking apart, with the Kurds taking the North, the shiites taking part of the south, and the Sunnis taking the rest.

    All in all, a symbiotic relationship.

    Go Remmy!

  175. Mandrake 9.1 in VMWare Workstation 4.0??? by x-guru · · Score: 1

    Not quite....but I did to get Mandrake 9.1 RC2 to install and run
    inside VMWare Workstation 4.0 Beta (this is a few days b4 the 9.1 final release).
    Check out the screenshots.

    There is something seemingly dangerous about running beta software inside beta VMs...

  176. Re:No, f@@@ them! by madpuppy · · Score: 1

    Your not very smart, are you?

    gutless AC wonder

  177. Re:Buy here real cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From their web page:

    Mandrake 9.1 BETA RC2 Available to order

    Be the first on your block to check out 9.1! Shipping $6.99

    Yeah, that's great. Any I bet none of that money goes to Mandrake itself.

  178. Anyone know about TI chipset support? by Ora*DBA · · Score: 0

    I checked their site but found nothing about this... anyone know if they are supporting the TI WiFi chipsets? D-Link makes some nice cards...

  179. Re:DUPE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Score:-1, Redundant)

    sucker.

  180. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE - even more OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it is called Bush-talk.

    America: Welcome to 1984, who are you at war with this month?

  181. I'm using this release right now... by nuttervm · · Score: 1

    And MAN am i impressed. the install went flawlessly and the look and feel is beautiful. I highly reccommend everyone take a look at this for their desktop OS at the very least!

  182. eh?! by AdamWill · · Score: 1

    Mandrake was a tuned version of Red Hat...at version 6.x.

    Version 9.x is completely different. Try it before making uninformed comments.

  183. Relax - take the backroads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of you folks need to get laid more often! Relax! Get some perspective...oh, sorry...I forgot...this is slashdot!

  184. US Friends? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America hasn't got any friends as such, only pissed off trading "partners" and a lot of orphaned kids who can't wait to grow up and enter their revenge phase. Cause and Effect - basic international policy the US just doesn't get.

  185. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 1

    moron

  186. Re:PLEASE BOYCOTT MANDRAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why not Microsoft ?

    I'm thinking is a better idea, no ?

    Un anonyme français

  187. rights by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    Feh. Did you even read what I wrote? You have the same rights I do. You may exercise your rights to the degree that they do not interfere with my exercise of mine, and vice versa. Hold your sign, travel around, assemble where you want, etc. Just know that obstructing traffic and throwing things at buildings and passersby are not looked at kindly, and for good reason, because you've begun to infringe on others' rights.

    As far as the traffic argument, don't be a troll. I understand the concept of sharing limited resources, like freeway throughput. Do you?

  188. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 0

    We don't claim Interactive EasyFlow is good for anything -- if you
    think it is, great, but it's up to you to decide. If Interactive EasyFlow
    doesn't work: tough. If you lose a million because Interactive EasyFlow
    messes up, it's you that's out the million, not us. If you don't like this
    disclaimer: tough. We reserve the right to do the absolute minimum provided
    by law, up to and including nothing.
    This is basically the same disclaimer that comes with all software
    packages, but ours is in plain English and theirs is in legalese.
    We didn't really want to include any disclaimer at all, but our
    lawyers insisted. We tried to ignore them but they threatened us with the
    attack shark at which point we relented.
    -- Haven Tree Software Limited, "Interactive EasyFlow"

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