Umm, if you re-read the *original* comment, this choice (installing off of window's defaults) would be one of many other's, none of which require installing Windows first. I.e., if you already had Windows installed, choosing that option would help keep things simple. If not, choose one of the others (including the interesting "I'm installing a devel environ and I want to have another install on this disk" option).
That is exactly the problem that mac-heads and wintel weenies run into: the mac people quote a price, the intel people counter with a home built, the mac heads complain "that's not a prebuilt", failing to realize THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!!! You can't *get* a home built Mac, at least not easily, and that is why Mac hardware will *always* be higher priced than Intel's.
Now, the flip side: you Intel weenies, THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!!! Using standardized hardware from one manufacturer allows Macs to have a *much* better interface when it comes to installing/configuring hardware, and maintaining consistency. That's why Intel hardware will *always* be flakier/more difficult/bass-ackwards when compared to the equivalent Apple stuff.
Now that I have offended everyone, I'll retire for the evening:-)
Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone in this:-) For those of you who are interested (i.e., none of you) my son's first joke was when we were reading about ducks in a book. I was telling him that ducks make a quaking noise, he agreed, said "Ducks. Quack." Then, he got a sly look on his face and said "Daddy, quack!" and just started busting a gut. Even after being tickle-tortured he refused to admit that Daddy is not a duck, just repeating "Daddy, quack!" until he peed his pants.
Well, that ends this episode of Off-Topic Friday!
/me watches my preciously accumlated karma dwindle to nothing....
Are you a parent? While I won't discount it, I highly doubt it. If you ever become one, and raise a few children, please come back and tell me again how "[nobody] is born with a personality". I have two, and from the first month, they have exhibited almost completely opposite behavior, from how long they are willing to wait to be fed when they get hungry, to how determined they are to get something they want (reaching for toys before they can crawl, bottles, food, whatever). My first told his first joke when he was 1 1/2 years old, my second rarely cracks a smile. *I* find it hard to believe that a different environment for the first month after birth can completely form a character that lasts most of your life. To end: your misuse of pseudo-science to attack common sense comes off as arrogant:-)
Yet Another Horror Story About Visual C++. In my 2nd semester C++ class, after having taken 3 other programming-oriented classes previously, I am using vi + gcc. Not because it makes me "l33t", but because it makes me understand what is going on. My classmates, who all use VC++ 5 or 6, and who have all taken the same classes (this is a tech school, like elementary, the people stay in one class and the teachers change), are struggling to understand why class::class(int foo) is needed, and they can't just type class(int foo) and expect it to work. This is *not*, repeat *not* because I am previously experienced, smarter, or inherently gifted. It *is* because they can type:
class a;
a.
and get a list of class member functions, without having to think about where they are coming from. In fact, last night, we were going over how to overload the insertion operator to allow you to use cout with class names, and a common complain was "when I type class& <<(, it doesn't turn blue!" Again, I use vim+syntax highlighting, but to check my syntax, not hold my hand. Anyways, just thought I'd rant a bit a those people saying that using an IDE helps people learn better/faster. No, it doesn't. It *does* help you *write* code faster, and *possibly* better, but if you don't have the foundations, it's a crutch, not a tool.
A lot of people here are repeatably saying "Watch subbed not dubbed!!!". As a Jackie Chan fanatic, I've seen my fair share of poorly dubbed movies, and I'm here to tell you, it's still better than watching something "subbed". How people can concentrate on the plot/action/whatever while listening to (my american ears) goobleygook is beyond me. Constantly having to watch the bottom of the screen while trying to pay attention to what's going on is beyond me, and having to put up with some annoying cut-rate voice "talent" is well worth the trouble to avoid that. Sorry to unload, but this sub vs. dub thing comes up every single time an anime story is posted.
As a *long*-time e-devel list lurker, I can tell you that raster and mandrake are working *very* hard on enlightenment, not in the least because it is now both of their's full time job, at VA Linux. In the last few months, they have built a desktop "shell"/filemanager (efm), a ultra-cool, ultra-fast canvas (evas), and updated imlib2 to the point that using it + evas, they are getting 80+ fps on a demo at 1280x1024. That is including alpha-blending, transparency, and other drool-inducing eye candy. They are taking their time and doing everything Right (r) so that they won't have to go back and rip out/recode everything again. efm is already capable of being used daily, and doesn't look to be slowing down/getting worse any time soon.
Heh. As a college educated man, I agree. I should be able to get stuff like that right. However, in defense of screwing up the "Job's" thing, the original sentence read "obsessed with Job's personal life" in which case the possesive apostrophe would be correct. However, thank you (GrammerNazi posting as AC?) for keeping me in line.
Being a fanatical user of BeOS and Linux, I think I might be able to answer your question. Most BeOS user's are Jean-Louise fan's the way mac-fanatics are Job's obsessed (love and hate are only two sides of the same coin). They truly dig having one company determining the direction and features of the operating system, becuase it truly *does* improve the end user experience when everything is based on one driving force. Whether it actually makes a "better" operating system that way is a pov thing that I won't get into. Suffice it to say that I use *nix for all my server needs, and BeOS for my workstations:-)
However, with preview, I can tell at a glance which is which. And just so you know, I didn't make those filenames up. Someone on our network dropped them on the shared drive.
Anyways, just a couple examples of why previewing files is sometimes more efficent (or userfriendly) then long_descriptive_filesnames.txt
What? If the 40 movies I have (36 in asf format) are any indication, the file format has very little to do with the quality of the picture, unless we are talking about origina mpeg, which sucks. This isn't in favor or against asf, I just like whatever format gets the file smallest while retaining acceptable quality. I also have divx movies, and I can only play either one at work, because there's no player for BeOS or openbsd. That sucks, and it doesn't make *any* operating system *l33t* by not being compatible. It just makes me save up for another system so that I can run *Windows*. Here's your sign.
I cannot be the only here that remembers the Encyclopedia Brown series with fondness. I still remember most of the cases (what's a word with three double-letters in a row? Bookkeeper of course! Car's hoods get hot after driving for several hours. Blind men don't read newspapers. Boiled eggs are cleaned up with brooms, not mops. Need I go on?) I think, for me at least, the best part was lying there groaning afterwards at how stupid you were for not seeing that in the first place. Wow, and the modernhumorist gets the tone of those down exactly right, too. Well, the tone is right, some of the content is slightly different (fine ho's!! hehe). I was laughing out loud.
Your comment offends me. Deep down, I'm offended by idiots. So, I hereby request Slashdot a.k.a. Andover a.k.a. V.A. Linux to remove your post or I will sue them for emotional damages. And, when I'm done, I'll sue you for perpetrating it. And then, I'll sue your parents for ever marrying. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this, so I'll stop. Sheeesh.
I'm happy for you (really!) as any word of God is undoubtably a blessing. However, I have one nitpick, in your post you say "I am not LDS, just a true Christian". Are you implying that LDS members are not true Christians? Or was that a grammatical error, ie, it should have read: "By the way, I am not LDS. I am a true Christian rocking for the Lord,..." Just wondering if I should be offended or not;-)
Heh. Please see Point 2: This isn't Jon's book. From repeated posts under the original article, Jon said that he was proud of what *CmdrTaco* had done, because *JON* *HAD* *NOTHING* *TO* *DO* *WITH* *THE* *BOOK* *OTHER* *THAN* *WRITING* *THE* *ORIGINAL* *ARTICLES*. Wow, that's a lot of shouting. My fingers are hoarse. Anyway, as I said in the original post, a lot of the backlash was against "Katz's" book, when in fact, it wasn't his at all. If it had been a book compilation of articles done by that long-winded circular reference guy that did a few "articles" before quiting (something about a beach? maybe? it's been a year or so) I don't think the reaction would have been the same at all. I'm not saying there would have been no outcry, it just wouldn't have been quite so vehement. Wow. Please see original points 5 & 6;-)
I saw this same crap when that story broke, and I'm getting sick and tired of it.
Point 1: Ripped off how?/. isn't profitting from that book, and neither is Andover (now va)
Point 2: Jon Katz's book. I think the vast majority of the flammage comes from that phrase, which isn't even true! Jon posted several times under that story that he had little or nothing to do with the book, other than being the original author of the articles.
Point 3: Fair use. Get a textbook and read the definition over and over until you actually understand what it means.
Point 4: As you can see from all the post on this thread, there are basically two groups of people on/., those that agree with point 3 and those that don't. The editors (and me) fall into the first group. You and a couple other (highly-vocal) people don't. But when you go back and look at that story, it was basically 4-5 people who kept posting the same thing over and over again, and not listening to any of the responses. Frankly, I don't remember if you were one of them or not, and I'm too lazy to go check. But I think it's interesting that when you compare all the people who read/. to those who actually cared enough to post, there is a distinct feeling that there wasn't nearly as big a problem as those few people would have you believe.
What a wonderful attempt at a fair question. Now, if only you asked two questions instead of just one, like you would assume by seeing the word "or" in the paragraph. However, look at it again: "Are people stupid and greedy, or just greedy, when they criticize you?" That isn't nearly the "balanced", "quality" question I would hope gets passed on to the lawyers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hband members. Maybe: "Do you believe that those who criticize you are genuinely concerned about IP laws and media control by a central body, or just greedy and stupid people?" Ahh, much better:-)
You guys really take the cake. Here's an entire distribution full of modified GPL software, and you take a "let's be friendly" approach. Be accidentally includes some GPL'd debugging code, which wasn't even usable by applications, and the whole OSS community freaks out.
As is obvious from your contact info, you are pretty into BeOS. Great, so am I. Well, with the "Be GPL Fiasco", I noticed something./. posted a story with _no_ inflammatory language in the blurb, a link to a story that basically said: "Be screwed up, I already called them on it. Be did The Right Thing (r), but I just thought I would take this opportunity to remind everyone to keep a look out for those companies that aren't as fast to respond and willing to go the extra mile. I came away from reading Peren's note impressed both with how he handled it and how Be handled it. It seemed fairly professional on both ends. Then I go back to/. to look at the comments./. had some rabid stallmanites who saw "GPL violation" and went off the deep end, but by and large they were replied to by people who actually read the page by Perens and straightened out. Then I went to BeNews. What was the story over there? Slashdot posts story condemming BE!!!! Kill all slashdotters!!!/. sUx0r3!!!!! wtf? Anyways, I just thought I would point out that both times, the/. editors did nothing but suggest the "let's be friendly" approach, and I am willing to bet that you will see the same response to this story that you did the other one: 1/2 rabid "kill kill kill" posts, and 1/2 "hey, let's at least talk to them first." posts, the first moderated (mostly) troll, and the second moderated (mostly) insightful. But to blame the editors for any of this just shows a lack of understanding of how/. works. Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now:-)
Heh, look at his tag line. You just replied to someone who is running JFK's campaign for President, this year. You might want to wander around propaganda for a while, come back, and then see if his post makes more sense:-)
I like r.e.m. In fact, I'm on my way to having every one of their songs/albums. Now, due to their recent actions, I refuse to support the RIAA with my money. So, how do I aquire the rest of r.e.m.'s music? If you can figure out a way that does _not_ include either mp3s or buying a CD, I would love to hear it. To make an analoge (sp?) to the first poster, I want to drink tea but I don't want to have to pay outrageous taxes. So, what are my options?
Linux currently meets your needs. That's wonderful. DOS met my needs in the 80's. The good ole commie 64 met my needs before that. However, they don't meet my needs now. In reference to another/. article on Bluetooth, if Linux doesn't "keep up", in regards to hardware drivers and support for things like Bluetooth, when I win the lottery and replace all my appliances and PDA's with bt enabled gadgets, if my OS can't speak to them, it no longer meets my needs. And the computer industry changes to often and too quickly for this not to be a valid concern. That is what people are afraid of happening.
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Buahahahha!!!! slsahdot.org just got /.'ed!!!! That is the coolest thing I have seen all day.
Umm, if you re-read the *original* comment, this choice (installing off of window's defaults) would be one of many other's, none of which require installing Windows first. I.e., if you already had Windows installed, choosing that option would help keep things simple. If not, choose one of the others (including the interesting "I'm installing a devel environ and I want to have another install on this disk" option).
hth,
That is exactly the problem that mac-heads and wintel weenies run into: the mac people quote a price, the intel people counter with a home built, the mac heads complain "that's not a prebuilt", failing to realize THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!!! You can't *get* a home built Mac, at least not easily, and that is why Mac hardware will *always* be higher priced than Intel's.
:-)
Now, the flip side: you Intel weenies, THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!!! Using standardized hardware from one manufacturer allows Macs to have a *much* better interface when it comes to installing/configuring hardware, and maintaining consistency. That's why Intel hardware will *always* be flakier/more difficult/bass-ackwards when compared to the equivalent Apple stuff.
Now that I have offended everyone, I'll retire for the evening
Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone in this :-) For those of you who are interested (i.e., none of you) my son's first joke was when we were reading about ducks in a book. I was telling him that ducks make a quaking noise, he agreed, said "Ducks. Quack." Then, he got a sly look on his face and said "Daddy, quack!" and just started busting a gut. Even after being tickle-tortured he refused to admit that Daddy is not a duck, just repeating "Daddy, quack!" until he peed his pants.
Well, that ends this episode of Off-Topic Friday!
/me watches my preciously accumlated karma dwindle to nothing....
Are you a parent? While I won't discount it, I highly doubt it. If you ever become one, and raise a few children, please come back and tell me again how "[nobody] is born with a personality". I have two, and from the first month, they have exhibited almost completely opposite behavior, from how long they are willing to wait to be fed when they get hungry, to how determined they are to get something they want (reaching for toys before they can crawl, bottles, food, whatever). My first told his first joke when he was 1 1/2 years old, my second rarely cracks a smile. *I* find it hard to believe that a different environment for the first month after birth can completely form a character that lasts most of your life. To end: your misuse of pseudo-science to attack common sense comes off as arrogant :-)
Yet Another Horror Story About Visual C++. In my 2nd semester C++ class, after having taken 3 other programming-oriented classes previously, I am using vi + gcc. Not because it makes me "l33t", but because it makes me understand what is going on. My classmates, who all use VC++ 5 or 6, and who have all taken the same classes (this is a tech school, like elementary, the people stay in one class and the teachers change), are struggling to understand why class::class(int foo) is needed, and they can't just type class(int foo) and expect it to work. This is *not*, repeat *not* because I am previously experienced, smarter, or inherently gifted. It *is* because they can type:
class a;
a.
and get a list of class member functions, without having to think about where they are coming from. In fact, last night, we were going over how to overload the insertion operator to allow you to use cout with class names, and a common complain was "when I type class& <<(, it doesn't turn blue!" Again, I use vim+syntax highlighting, but to check my syntax, not hold my hand. Anyways, just thought I'd rant a bit a those people saying that using an IDE helps people learn better/faster. No, it doesn't. It *does* help you *write* code faster, and *possibly* better, but if you don't have the foundations, it's a crutch, not a tool.
A lot of people here are repeatably saying "Watch subbed not dubbed!!!". As a Jackie Chan fanatic, I've seen my fair share of poorly dubbed movies, and I'm here to tell you, it's still better than watching something "subbed". How people can concentrate on the plot/action/whatever while listening to (my american ears) goobleygook is beyond me. Constantly having to watch the bottom of the screen while trying to pay attention to what's going on is beyond me, and having to put up with some annoying cut-rate voice "talent" is well worth the trouble to avoid that. Sorry to unload, but this sub vs. dub thing comes up every single time an anime story is posted.
I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up. I guess I shouldn't be suprised it was you :-)
As a *long*-time e-devel list lurker, I can tell you that raster and mandrake are working *very* hard on enlightenment, not in the least because it is now both of their's full time job, at VA Linux. In the last few months, they have built a desktop "shell"/filemanager (efm), a ultra-cool, ultra-fast canvas (evas), and updated imlib2 to the point that using it + evas, they are getting 80+ fps on a demo at 1280x1024. That is including alpha-blending, transparency, and other drool-inducing eye candy. They are taking their time and doing everything Right (r) so that they won't have to go back and rip out/recode everything again. efm is already capable of being used daily, and doesn't look to be slowing down/getting worse any time soon.
Heh. As a college educated man, I agree. I should be able to get stuff like that right. However, in defense of screwing up the "Job's" thing, the original sentence read "obsessed with Job's personal life" in which case the possesive apostrophe would be correct. However, thank you (GrammerNazi posting as AC?) for keeping me in line.
Being a fanatical user of BeOS and Linux, I think I might be able to answer your question. Most BeOS user's are Jean-Louise fan's the way mac-fanatics are Job's obsessed (love and hate are only two sides of the same coin). They truly dig having one company determining the direction and features of the operating system, becuase it truly *does* improve the end user experience when everything is based on one driving force. Whether it actually makes a "better" operating system that way is a pov thing that I won't get into. Suffice it to say that I use *nix for all my server needs, and BeOS for my workstations :-)
So, what you're saying is, the RIAA likes kiddie porn? Wow, and I thought they were bad *before*.
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However, with preview, I can tell at a glance which is which. And just so you know, I didn't make those filenames up. Someone on our network dropped them on the shared drive.
Anyways, just a couple examples of why previewing files is sometimes more efficent (or userfriendly) then long_descriptive_filesnames.txt
What? If the 40 movies I have (36 in asf format) are any indication, the file format has very little to do with the quality of the picture, unless we are talking about origina mpeg, which sucks. This isn't in favor or against asf, I just like whatever format gets the file smallest while retaining acceptable quality. I also have divx movies, and I can only play either one at work, because there's no player for BeOS or openbsd. That sucks, and it doesn't make *any* operating system *l33t* by not being compatible. It just makes me save up for another system so that I can run *Windows*. Here's your sign.
I cannot be the only here that remembers the Encyclopedia Brown series with fondness. I still remember most of the cases (what's a word with three double-letters in a row? Bookkeeper of course! Car's hoods get hot after driving for several hours. Blind men don't read newspapers. Boiled eggs are cleaned up with brooms, not mops. Need I go on?) I think, for me at least, the best part was lying there groaning afterwards at how stupid you were for not seeing that in the first place. Wow, and the modernhumorist gets the tone of those down exactly right, too. Well, the tone is right, some of the content is slightly different (fine ho's!! hehe). I was laughing out loud.
Your comment offends me. Deep down, I'm offended by idiots. So, I hereby request Slashdot a.k.a. Andover a.k.a. V.A. Linux to remove your post or I will sue them for emotional damages. And, when I'm done, I'll sue you for perpetrating it. And then, I'll sue your parents for ever marrying. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this, so I'll stop. Sheeesh.
I'm happy for you (really!) as any word of God is undoubtably a blessing. However, I have one nitpick, in your post you say "I am not LDS, just a true Christian". Are you implying that LDS members are not true Christians? Or was that a grammatical error, ie, it should have read: "By the way, I am not LDS. I am a true Christian rocking for the Lord,..." Just wondering if I should be offended or not ;-)
Thanks for the clarification.
Heh. Please see Point 2: This isn't Jon's book. From repeated posts under the original article, Jon said that he was proud of what *CmdrTaco* had done, because *JON* *HAD* *NOTHING* *TO* *DO* *WITH* *THE* *BOOK* *OTHER* *THAN* *WRITING* *THE* *ORIGINAL* *ARTICLES*. Wow, that's a lot of shouting. My fingers are hoarse. Anyway, as I said in the original post, a lot of the backlash was against "Katz's" book, when in fact, it wasn't his at all. If it had been a book compilation of articles done by that long-winded circular reference guy that did a few "articles" before quiting (something about a beach? maybe? it's been a year or so) I don't think the reaction would have been the same at all. I'm not saying there would have been no outcry, it just wouldn't have been quite so vehement. Wow. Please see original points 5 & 6 ;-)
I saw this same crap when that story broke, and I'm getting sick and tired of it.
/. isn't profitting from that book, and neither is Andover (now va)
/., those that agree with point 3 and those that don't. The editors (and me) fall into the first group. You and a couple other (highly-vocal) people don't. But when you go back and look at that story, it was basically 4-5 people who kept posting the same thing over and over again, and not listening to any of the responses. Frankly, I don't remember if you were one of them or not, and I'm too lazy to go check. But I think it's interesting that when you compare all the people who read /. to those who actually cared enough to post, there is a distinct feeling that there wasn't nearly as big a problem as those few people would have you believe.
Point 1: Ripped off how?
Point 2: Jon Katz's book. I think the vast majority of the flammage comes from that phrase, which isn't even true! Jon posted several times under that story that he had little or nothing to do with the book, other than being the original author of the articles.
Point 3: Fair use. Get a textbook and read the definition over and over until you actually understand what it means.
Point 4: As you can see from all the post on this thread, there are basically two groups of people on
Point 5: I tend to ramble.
Point 6: See point 5.
What a wonderful attempt at a fair question. Now, if only you asked two questions instead of just one, like you would assume by seeing the word "or" in the paragraph. However, look at it again: "Are people stupid and greedy, or just greedy, when they criticize you?" That isn't nearly the "balanced", "quality" question I would hope gets passed on to the lawyers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hband members. Maybe: "Do you believe that those who criticize you are genuinely concerned about IP laws and media control by a central body, or just greedy and stupid people?" Ahh, much better :-)
Please note that he said "May", as in, it may be Redhat, or Mandrake, or SuSe, or another distrobution, but ....
:-)
Anyways, nitpickers rule!
You guys really take the cake. Here's an entire distribution full of modified GPL software, and you take a "let's be friendly" approach. Be accidentally includes some GPL'd debugging code, which wasn't even usable by applications, and the whole OSS community freaks out.
/. posted a story with _no_ inflammatory language in the blurb, a link to a story that basically said: "Be screwed up, I already called them on it. Be did The Right Thing (r), but I just thought I would take this opportunity to remind everyone to keep a look out for those companies that aren't as fast to respond and willing to go the extra mile. I came away from reading Peren's note impressed both with how he handled it and how Be handled it. It seemed fairly professional on both ends. Then I go back to /. to look at the comments. /. had some rabid stallmanites who saw "GPL violation" and went off the deep end, but by and large they were replied to by people who actually read the page by Perens and straightened out. Then I went to BeNews. What was the story over there? Slashdot posts story condemming BE!!!! Kill all slashdotters!!! /. sUx0r3!!!!! wtf? /. editors did nothing but suggest the "let's be friendly" approach, and I am willing to bet that you will see the same response to this story that you did the other one: 1/2 rabid "kill kill kill" posts, and 1/2 "hey, let's at least talk to them first." posts, the first moderated (mostly) troll, and the second moderated (mostly) insightful. But to blame the editors for any of this just shows a lack of understanding of how /. works. Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now :-)
As is obvious from your contact info, you are pretty into BeOS. Great, so am I. Well, with the "Be GPL Fiasco", I noticed something.
Anyways, I just thought I would point out that both times, the
Heh, look at his tag line. You just replied to someone who is running JFK's campaign for President, this year. You might want to wander around propaganda for a while, come back, and then see if his post makes more sense :-)
As in, he was (hopefully!) just kidding...
I like r.e.m. In fact, I'm on my way to having every one of their songs/albums. Now, due to their recent actions, I refuse to support the RIAA with my money. So, how do I aquire the rest of r.e.m.'s music? If you can figure out a way that does _not_ include either mp3s or buying a CD, I would love to hear it. To make an analoge (sp?) to the first poster, I want to drink tea but I don't want to have to pay outrageous taxes. So, what are my options?
Linux currently meets your needs. That's wonderful. DOS met my needs in the 80's. The good ole commie 64 met my needs before that. However, they don't meet my needs now. In reference to another /. article on Bluetooth, if Linux doesn't "keep up", in regards to hardware drivers and support for things like Bluetooth, when I win the lottery and replace all my appliances and PDA's with bt enabled gadgets, if my OS can't speak to them, it no longer meets my needs. And the computer industry changes to often and too quickly for this not to be a valid concern. That is what people are afraid of happening.