I agree with all that - except running "alsaconfig" is not too bad.
I just installed 6.3 for the first time on two machines, one laptop, one desktop, both microns.
Things that went wrong:
1)the pcmcia start script hangs the laptop, even devoiding a reboot. After the first part of the install (both installers) I had to drop to single user mode and comment the script out.
2)the dhclient init script did not work right from a symbolic link. Had to hack it.
3)What? "default" installation includes no lp? (print spooler)
4)choosing too many checkboxes in yast2 can be harzardous to your health. Just get the box booting first before you load it up.
5)Consider 1GB of disk space a bare mininum. What's eating it all up? Auto-partitioning makes too big of a swap space.
This latest observation, though as limited as it is, makes some sense that it is a balancing compromise between two seperate observations/beliefs. I can't say which is true, or which is false, just that it fits with everything else that has been said.
Sounds like my garage door. Just put some WD44 on it.
'Is this really so horrible that it's "the last straw?"'
Think about the phrase "the last straw." By its very meaning, it is not necessarily something of overwhelming importance, just the latest in a pile. Just as with its origin phrase ("straw that broke the camel's back"), it is referring to a limit being breached that was nearly there already.
Yeah, I implied the "this" was this EULA clause when I should of meant that "this" was Corel's additude over open source.
From Bruce's original message, it appeared that they were one in the same.
This really brings up an interesting problem - one which actually open source works against itself - Sometimes we move TOO FAST and without thinking.
Measured cool responses to threats needs to become our standard practice or otherwise we will end up scaring everyone levelheaded away. As bad as Microsoft is, they don't sanction an anti-slashdot/anti-linux site, do they?
Or, take this for example:
*** Press Release from Microsoft Linux SUX! Opensource SUX! You reversed engineered our filesystems and SMB code so we are going to sue your ass off! - B.G. *** END Press Release
This "over 18 stuff" has already been discussed - it just the same "minors can'y enter into legal agreements stuff." Is this really so horrible that it's "the last straw?"
You have to rememeber that businesses can't move as fast as individuals. Remember the Comdex thing? Give them a little room to think, and I think this will be fixed.
That's very inciteful - except the unlike the biblical Golaith, I don't see them toppling too easily. Money buys lots of power. Just look at the Cigarate companys, or Microsoft.
From my experience with MP3.com, I'm quickly reaching the point where I will buy $5 CD's from them. The whole entertainment medium is being force to speed up and to cut costs.
However I do agree that it's only a matter of time before BtoB distribution cuts out the middle man.
the MSDN sample code. They must use these rules as their "White Paper."
I got a few more: - Routinely switch using null and non-null terminated strings. Bonus points for encoding in EBSDIC. - Routinely change your array bases from 0 to 1 and back. - One Word: LISP. - Routinely use double-indirected pointers to undefined structures.
I suppose you'll include Slashdot's installation war in your list of things to not do in the future? I mean, if we're talking about childish stuff, you may as well include Slashdot. (And don't even get me started on those silly boomerang things they gave out.)
The trinkets are fun, and a standard marketing ploy. Skydiving is not. Shouting matches are not.
Slashdot is what you make it. Just like Open Source. For some reason, XBill and Tex seem to come to mind as examples...
Better start at the beginning, then. What is Cyberterrorism? Has it even been properly defined? Signal 11 humorly points out that even a "Bad hair day" could be guised as Cyberterrorism.
I have a another question... How many institutions have separate internal and external (internet accessable) networks? I don't know of many bank ATMs that run Netscape. You want security? Don't plug it in. You want Internet? Buy yourself a WebTV. Just because we CAN make ourselves "dependant" on the Internet, it does not mean we should... Slashdot excepting, of course.
Every submitter formats the text differently, and the inline ("botton of page") footnotes are a real annoyance.
However, I would like to say that via GB, I've read every Charles Dickens and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle novel they have e-published, to much satifaction. I started on other authors, but then a friend introducted me to the Dune and Hyperion series.:)
I think it's safe to say now that webifing the text would be a wonderful idea. If you were to index them in the web search engines, you would then definately get more hits. I'd love to be able to type in a search engine "to be, or not to be" and get sent to the correct page in the GB e-text.
Once you do that, launch a ad banner campaign with suggestive quotes. ie. "The staircase was darken with gloom...(click here to read more...)"
It's amazing that anything get done there. Isn't COMDEX supposed to be cool toys and cool deals, but not to degrade to being a high school gym?
I'm not so sure that some of the vendors like TurboLinux, Caldera and Corel are putting out a positive image of Linux by being so over the top. Personally I'd be so thrilled to be there (I've never had the chance) that I'd suspect I'd be on my best behavior. Perhaps I'd party away from the floor, though.
Why is Linux in it's own pavilion? It's because we don't play well with others? Linus spoke in his keynote about "we do it because it's fun and challanging" but I don't think we would ever catch him mooning Bill G. though.
It has been quite a few years since I've been to orlando, but I don't know if I agree with the "Crawling on the motherboard" thing. You should visit the computer museum in Boston, MA for something like that.
Disney is about Fantasy, not reality - Going to disney world to seek out technology is like seeking out a piece of coal in a diamond mine. You are not supposed to see the fantasy, not the hidden gears of technology that drives it. The reason you see it at all is because you are activity looking for - trying to avoid the builtup facade of reality around you. The geek in us asks "How?" instead of "Why?"
The reason Disney is not the bleeding-edge technological paradise you are looking for is because it is not required. What Disney lacks, it makes up for in imagination.
Ahhh... I too want to be an effects animator. The primary Special Effects house that was called into service for The Matrix was Manex, formerly MVFX. The special effects team was headed by the mighty master John Gaeta.
"...Enter the Gaeta Zone..."
I likes how is talked about on the DVD about Bullet time as "being as revolutary as when cameras left cranes and went on steady cams."
Has BT it been used in any other films yet?
I loved video toaster/Lightwave 3d on the Amiga...(Oops, I said the "A" word!)
So, a nice mulilingual GUI is not the problem. What is much more difficult to fix is all the old, basic infrastructure, eg, grep, sed, gtroff, etc. It is an incredible amount of work to rewrite the text processing in all these tools.
I rememeber reading in "open sources" Larry Wall's awesome piece about Unicode and Perl. I would imagine some utilities (like cat and more) would require no modifications at all. Others could be a big problem.
I've been trying to read the Unicode spec, and in many departments things remain rather vague. artistic issues like "Hanji unification" still need to be worked out.
The second problem is that languages like Japanese require complicated input systems (kanji henkan server) for which (a) we don't have really good free implementations yet and (b) we need better support from X (there is XIM and it mostly sucks for Japanese).
I'm still looking for a kana or a hanji keyboard in the states - I hate typing in romaji.
I am a currently student of Japanese, and I work with double-byte systems daily. I have a question:
There is talk about different distributions being customized for different languages - rather, I for one would love to work on a distribution that supports all languages simultaneously, perhaps it should have all the resources stored in unicode. As it stands, I cannot at present even find a single free unicode font that implements most of the major character sets of the world.
Would such a "Unicode Linux" distribution be technically possible now? Would it have too heavy of a footprint to be of any use? Is there an IME and text editor out there that could support this properly?
BTW: I listen to CRI and RTI almost every night, and Zhongwen is the next language on my list to learn, so I'm a bit biased.
Just to make things interesting, let's put another foot or hand in the moving machinery:
If the information is question is copyrighted by one legal means or another, ie. "fixed form" into a book or an visual or auditorial exact copy, then could the mind be considered another means of accomplishing this fact? This seems to be the questionable issue with the student's "notes" here.
Say I take a Engineering class, in which I would normally take notes, mostly as a memmnoic device. If my notes are restricted by the licensing terms of the information that is presented to me, does that also me that my brain also now contains licensed information, and should be govered by the same rules? If I want to use/reproduce that information later, do I then need to apply for permission to use it just like a another physical device?
Perhaps in the future it will be possible to enforce copyrighted data in people brains by creating the ability to remove it, by force if need be. The world is become much too dependant on a information regulation as it is without taking the idea of IP to it's theoretical extreme.
Now if you will excuse me, my school wants back what I learned in the last few years in college. *** Bzzzzt! ***
I use alot of DHTML so I'm aware of the differences between the IE/Netscape implementations of DHTML.
It appears that at present Mozilla does not support as many of the property tags as IE does, for example, in IE I can put an ID on a SPAN tag and modify the SPAN's properties at runtime using CSS, unlike NS. Will Mozilla at some point completely support Microsoft's DOM model, or will we be going backwards in functionality?
Listen to this guy. He's right. We already know how messed up the NT security model is: Ether you are god or you aren't. If your current login in is administrator equalivalant, and process (clanstinely or not) running on your "security station/interactive session" can do whatever it can get it's hands on. With COM, everything is connected to everything else, and the "security context" interfaces are the only thing that stand in the way. I forsee a future were the payload of a macro virus could be something like: MMC = CreateObject(MMC.workspace) session = MMC.newsession(IUSR_IMPERSONATE) dm = session.OpenSnapin("dskmanager.1",vbnull) dm.partition(1).Format("NO_LABEL,"FAT32",NO_PROMPT ) Of course this is all garbage, but real COM developers can see where I'm going.
Aroung the time you changed Anti-online's "focus", I wrote an article about my personal experience with crackers. I submitted my piece along with my disapproval to your feedback forum and to osOpinion.com
I never receive any kind of response from you or anyone else in the hacker community. You all seem to be so obsessed with flaming yourselves and others that you fail to recognize the impact of your actions have on the rest of us.
You claim that now you are are on "the good side" but to the community at large you are regarded with extreme hostility, and your actions appear from many sources to appear to be nothing but imflamitory. I honestly ask you what good do you think you do when you have managed to ailinated most of the major forces involved in the security establishment?
I have to say, this thing rocks. Here's the super-abridged version:
Guns are dangerous. Microsoft has a big gun in it's hand. The gun is smoking. There are many empty shells on the floor. There are many bloody bodies around (netscape,sun,ibm) Many companies have been terrorize by Microsoft, when they point the gun at them. Most give in. Some don't, and pay dearly for their actions. In then end, Consumers end up both paying for the ammo, and picking up the pieces. This is wrong, and something should be done about it.
*sniff* It's almost enough to make me believe that perhaps that sometimes our legal system can work right. This almost makes up for all the times it has personally let me down - well, almost.
Judge Jackson should get a medal for just being able to comprend the complexity of the allegations. My head started to swim when I got knee deep in the OEM/ISP/Browser War testimony.
This case is over - once MS's lawyers look closely at the wording and the coesiveness of this FoF, they will see that there is no way they are going to prevail. I predict a settlement within a month.
Slashdot Mirror
I agree with all that - except running "alsaconfig" is not too bad.
I just installed 6.3 for the first time on two machines, one laptop, one desktop, both microns.
Things that went wrong:
1)the pcmcia start script hangs the laptop, even devoiding a reboot. After the first part of the install (both installers) I had to drop to single user mode and comment the script out.
2)the dhclient init script did not work right from a symbolic link. Had to hack it.
3)What? "default" installation includes no lp? (print spooler)
4)choosing too many checkboxes in yast2 can be harzardous to your health. Just get the box booting first before you load it up.
5)Consider 1GB of disk space a bare mininum. What's eating it all up? Auto-partitioning makes too big of a swap space.
On the plus side:
1)God, I love staroffice!
2)sax rocks!
3)It beats redhat anyday.
Pardon me while I go format my NT box now...
This latest observation, though as limited as it is, makes some sense that it is a balancing compromise between two seperate observations/beliefs.
I can't say which is true, or which is false, just that it fits with everything else that has been said.
Sounds like my garage door. Just put some WD44 on it.
'Is this really so horrible that it's "the last straw?"'
Think about the phrase "the last straw." By its very meaning, it is not necessarily something of overwhelming importance, just the latest in a pile. Just as with its origin phrase ("straw that broke the camel's back"), it is referring to a limit being breached that was nearly there already.
Yeah, I implied the "this" was this EULA clause when I should of meant that "this" was Corel's additude over open source.
From Bruce's original message, it appeared that they were one in the same.
This really brings up an interesting problem - one which actually open source works against itself - Sometimes we move TOO FAST and without thinking.
Measured cool responses to threats needs to become our standard practice or otherwise we will end up scaring everyone levelheaded away. As bad as Microsoft is, they don't sanction an anti-slashdot/anti-linux site, do they?
Or, take this for example:
*** Press Release from Microsoft
Linux SUX! Opensource SUX! You reversed engineered our filesystems and SMB code
so we are going to sue your ass off!
- B.G.
*** END Press Release
Are we any better?
What "other stuff"? Help them "several times"?
This "over 18 stuff" has already been discussed - it just the same "minors can'y enter into legal agreements stuff." Is this really so horrible that it's "the last straw?"
You have to rememeber that businesses can't move as fast as individuals. Remember the Comdex thing? Give them a little room to think, and I think this will be fixed.
Donald Knuth to comment on this.
That's very inciteful - except the unlike the biblical Golaith, I don't see them toppling too easily. Money buys lots of power. Just look at the Cigarate companys, or Microsoft.
From my experience with MP3.com, I'm quickly reaching the point where I will buy $5 CD's from them. The whole entertainment medium is being force to speed up and to cut costs.
However I do agree that it's only a matter of time before BtoB distribution cuts out the middle man.
the MSDN sample code. They must use these rules as their "White Paper."
I got a few more:
- Routinely switch using null and non-null terminated strings. Bonus points for encoding in EBSDIC.
- Routinely change your array bases from 0 to 1 and back.
- One Word: LISP.
- Routinely use double-indirected pointers to undefined structures.
Okay, I'm done.
I suppose you'll include Slashdot's installation war in your list of things to not do in the future? I mean, if we're talking about childish stuff, you may as well include Slashdot. (And don't even get me started on those silly boomerang things they gave out.)
The trinkets are fun, and a standard marketing ploy. Skydiving is not. Shouting matches are not.
Slashdot is what you make it. Just like Open Source. For some reason, XBill and Tex seem to come to mind as examples...
All one needs is a little MODERATION.
We need rules.
Better start at the beginning, then. What is Cyberterrorism? Has it even been properly defined? Signal 11 humorly points out that even a "Bad hair day" could be guised as Cyberterrorism.
I have a another question... How many institutions have separate internal and external (internet accessable) networks? I don't know of many bank ATMs that run Netscape. You want security? Don't plug it in. You want Internet? Buy yourself a WebTV. Just because we CAN make ourselves "dependant" on the Internet, it does not mean we should... Slashdot excepting, of course.
...a text to speech company. It would put a new spin on "AudioBooks."
BTW: Gutenberg texts suffer from alot of typos - about half way through the work, the quality really started to suffer badly...
Every submitter formats the text differently, and the inline ("botton of page") footnotes are a real annoyance.
:)
However, I would like to say that via GB, I've read every Charles Dickens and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle novel they have e-published, to much satifaction. I started on other authors, but then a friend introducted me to the Dune and Hyperion series.
I think it's safe to say now that webifing the text would be a wonderful idea. If you were to index them in the web search engines, you would then definately get more hits. I'd love to be able to type in a search engine "to be, or not to be" and get sent to the correct page in the GB e-text.
Once you do that, launch a ad banner campaign with suggestive quotes. ie. "The staircase was darken with gloom...(click here to read more...)"
BTW: I read "Sun Tsu" as well. Way cool...
It's amazing that anything get done there. Isn't COMDEX supposed to be cool toys and cool deals, but not to degrade to being a high school gym?
I'm not so sure that some of the vendors like TurboLinux, Caldera and Corel are putting out a positive image of Linux by being so over the top. Personally I'd be so thrilled to be there (I've never had the chance) that I'd suspect I'd be on my best behavior. Perhaps I'd party away from the floor, though.
Why is Linux in it's own pavilion? It's because we don't play well with others? Linus spoke in his keynote about "we do it because it's fun and challanging" but I don't think we would ever catch him mooning Bill G. though.
It has been quite a few years since I've been to orlando, but I don't know if I agree with the "Crawling on the motherboard" thing. You should visit the computer museum in Boston, MA for something like that.
Disney is about Fantasy, not reality - Going to disney world to seek out technology is like seeking out a piece of coal in a diamond mine. You are not supposed to see the fantasy, not the hidden gears of technology that drives it. The reason you see it at all is because you are activity looking for - trying to avoid the builtup facade of reality around you. The geek in us asks "How?" instead of "Why?"
The reason Disney is not the bleeding-edge technological paradise you are looking for is because it is not required. What Disney lacks, it makes up for in imagination.
Ahhh... I too want to be an effects animator. The primary Special Effects house that was called into service for The Matrix was Manex, formerly MVFX. The special effects team was headed by the mighty master John Gaeta.
"...Enter the Gaeta Zone..."
I likes how is talked about on the DVD about Bullet time as "being as revolutary as when cameras left cranes and went on steady cams."
Has BT it been used in any other films yet?
I loved video toaster/Lightwave 3d on the Amiga...(Oops, I said the "A" word!)
So, a nice mulilingual GUI is not the problem. What is much more difficult to fix is all the old, basic infrastructure, eg, grep, sed, gtroff, etc. It is an incredible amount of work to rewrite the text processing in all these tools.
I rememeber reading in "open sources" Larry Wall's awesome piece about Unicode and Perl. I would imagine some utilities (like cat and more) would require no modifications at all. Others could be a big problem.
I've been trying to read the Unicode spec, and in many departments things remain rather vague. artistic issues like "Hanji unification" still need to be worked out.
The second problem is that languages like Japanese require complicated input systems (kanji henkan server) for which (a) we don't have really good free implementations yet and (b) we need better support from X (there is XIM and it mostly sucks for Japanese).
I'm still looking for a kana or a hanji keyboard in the states - I hate typing in romaji.
I am a currently student of Japanese, and I work with double-byte systems daily. I have a question:
There is talk about different distributions being customized for different languages - rather, I for one would love to work on a distribution that supports all languages simultaneously, perhaps it should have all the resources stored in unicode. As it stands, I cannot at present even find a single free unicode font that implements most of the major character sets of the world.
Would such a "Unicode Linux" distribution be technically possible now? Would it have too heavy of a footprint to be of any use? Is there an IME and text editor out there that could support this properly?
BTW: I listen to CRI and RTI almost every night, and Zhongwen is the next language on my list to learn, so I'm a bit biased.
You guys must have _something_ better to do than post to alien stories on a saturday night...
Okay, maybe not.
If I happen across an alien, I'll make sure to send it to Hermos's house with a sign on it that says: "First Post!"
Just to make things interesting, let's put another foot or hand in the moving machinery:
If the information is question is copyrighted by one legal means or another, ie. "fixed form" into a book or an visual or auditorial exact copy, then could the mind be considered another means of accomplishing this fact? This seems to be the questionable issue with the student's "notes" here.
Say I take a Engineering class, in which I would normally take notes, mostly as a memmnoic device. If my notes are restricted by the licensing terms of the information that is presented to me, does that also me that my brain also now contains licensed information, and should be govered by the same rules? If I want to use/reproduce that information later, do I then need to apply for permission to use it just like a another physical device?
Perhaps in the future it will be possible to enforce copyrighted data in people brains by creating the ability to remove it, by force if need be. The world is become much too dependant on a information regulation as it is without taking the idea of IP to it's theoretical extreme.
Now if you will excuse me, my school wants back what I learned in the last few years in college.
*** Bzzzzt! ***
...Why do you need to know my blood type...
It's a holdover from the Windows age, when they bundled crash insurance with the software licenses.
As Katz would say, welcome to the POST-Microsoft age.
*** BEEP! ***
I use alot of DHTML so I'm aware of the differences between the IE/Netscape implementations of DHTML.
It appears that at present Mozilla does not support as many of the property tags as IE does, for example, in IE I can put an ID on a SPAN tag and modify the SPAN's properties at runtime using CSS, unlike NS. Will Mozilla at some point completely support Microsoft's DOM model, or will we be going backwards in functionality?
Listen to this guy. He's right. We already know how messed up the NT security model is: Ether you are god or you aren't. If your current login in is administrator equalivalant, and process (clanstinely or not) running on your "security station/interactive session" can do whatever it can get it's hands on. With COM, everything is connected to everything else, and the "security context" interfaces are the only thing that stand in the way. I forsee a future were the payload of a macro virus could be something like: MMC = CreateObject(MMC.workspace) session = MMC.newsession(IUSR_IMPERSONATE) dm = session.OpenSnapin("dskmanager.1",vbnull) dm.partition(1).Format("NO_LABEL,"FAT32",NO_PROMPT ) Of course this is all garbage, but real COM developers can see where I'm going.
Aroung the time you changed Anti-online's "focus", I wrote an article about my personal experience with crackers. I submitted my piece along with my disapproval to your feedback forum and to osOpinion.com
I never receive any kind of response from you or anyone else in the hacker community. You all seem to be so obsessed with flaming yourselves and others that you fail to recognize the impact of your actions have on the rest of us.
You claim that now you are are on "the good side" but to the community at large you are regarded with extreme hostility, and your actions appear from many sources to appear to be nothing but imflamitory. I honestly ask you what good do you think you do when you have managed to ailinated most of the major forces involved in the security establishment?
...but what does this provide that ipchains, ipsec, vpnd, ssh, etc... not provide?
Probably an nice GUI, advanced auditing, and an integrated easy to use solution with good support.
Checkpoint is (IMHO) THE leader in firewall security, so it is very likely they have a few tricks up their sleeves that we do not (for now.)
I have to say, this thing rocks. Here's the super-abridged version:
Guns are dangerous.
Microsoft has a big gun in it's hand.
The gun is smoking.
There are many empty shells on the floor.
There are many bloody bodies around (netscape,sun,ibm)
Many companies have been terrorize by Microsoft, when they point the gun at them.
Most give in.
Some don't, and pay dearly for their actions.
In then end, Consumers end up both paying for the ammo, and picking up the pieces.
This is wrong, and something should be done about it.
*sniff* It's almost enough to make me believe that perhaps that sometimes our legal system can work right. This almost makes up for all the times it has personally let me down - well, almost.
Judge Jackson should get a medal for just being able to comprend the complexity of the allegations. My head started to swim when I got knee deep in the OEM/ISP/Browser War testimony.
This case is over - once MS's lawyers look closely at the wording and the coesiveness of this FoF, they will see that there is no way they are going to prevail. I predict a settlement within a month.
Yes! A Slash-lawyer is a wonderful idea!
God knows how many times we argue about points of legal trivia!
I will take the good man's advice and read the FoF from cover to cover.
Gee, it's not too late for me to enter law school...