If you're that worried about safety, take the train!:)
Trains have much more mass than semis and buses, but those vehicles will only be POTENTIALLY vulnerable to trains for a few seconds each month, at most.
Trains, however, have a critical flaw. Light passenger trains have to share the same tracks as other passenger trains, and unimaginably massive cargo trains, which take MILES to stop, once they've finally SEEN they're going to crash. You can see it comming for minutes, and STILL have no options but to decide whether you want to jump out, or hang on.
The same goes when a bridge goes out, or tracks are damaged. The train will go off flying, and embed itself 70 feet deep in the hardest packed dirt you can find.
If you look at the actual statistics, travel by train is still pretty dangerous.
We pay $3/gallon of gas cos our government makes it that way. I think it's kind of annoying.
Prove it.
The US government may subsudize oil companies somewhat, but that doesn't make OUR gas cheaper than gas in other countries. There is absolutely nothing to prevent US oil companies from selling their (US Gov subsudized) product to any other country in the world.
Anyone want to bet that California will see $5/gal gas within 12 months?
I'll take that bet.
Believe it or not, there has been a glut of oil, and they're running low on places to store it. I expect that, about the time of the switchover to the winter formula, we'll be seeing lower gas prices than we have in the past year.
I know it sounds crazy, but I fully expect next year gas won't be any more expensive than this year, let alone being 30% more expensive than this year's peak.
the local farmers need perfect conditions just to feed themselves, so it gets blamed on drought.
This is nonsense, but it's clearly not worth the effort arguing the point with you.
Yes, only the Sahara, which, as I said, if you bothered to read my post, is mainly contained in the countries of Algeria, Libya, and Egypt.
I tried to read your post, but it's more a collection of unrelated sentences put together in a big block, with no coherency. So, you start talking about those countries producing oil jump off onto some other subject without warning, and I'm supposed to somehow know what you were actually trying to say?
[...] have far more land area than even the largest estimate of the Sahara.
This is just completely arbitrary nonsense. Yes, the WHOLE of the middle east is slightly larger than the largest DESERT on earth. The problem is, not ALL of the middle east is desert, and the DESERT isn't covering all of Africa.
As I said, the next largest area even comparable to Middle-east or Sahara is China's deserts.
The copyright notice says who owns the copyright, not who wrote it.
Yes, but if you wrote it, you own the copyright, unless you explicitly sold it to someone else (in which case, you're explicitly being paid so they can take credit).
And in the default case that is the Regents of the University of California.
There's no such thing as a "default" copyright, or anything like it. The license is written with "the Regents" in there because they originally wrote the license. It doesn't mean anything, and nobody would be stupid enough to copy it without changing it.
First of all, and perhaps most importantly, during a case of Deja Vu, you can remember what you're about to do next, and that is when I personally stop, and try to act entirely different to break it up. I don't know why, but I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that humans are just naturally predictable, and over several years will eventually do some things *exactly* as they have before.
Second, hypnotizing someone means you can induce any "feeling" you want. Tell them to feel Deja Vu, and they will. I fail to see how this is a significant break through. Might as well hypnotize people, telling them to have alzheimers, and then say you've made a great alzheimers breakthrough... In other words, the power of suggestion isn't the same as the neurological effect.
But what do I know, I'm just your average dog who likes to chase frisbees...
whether you own a copy of a work has no impact on whether you infringe its copyright by downloading it.
Like I said to the last guy: Prove it.
MP3.com, for example, got into trouble for their service that allowed you to download mp3s after proving you had the CD.
No. MP3.com is a company, and was using my.mp3.com to make a profit. That is a big consideration in fair-use doctrine.
Indeed, MP3.com was sued just for creating the database in the first place, not for the actual transfer of songs. And, as far as I know, none of the USERS of my.mp3.com were ever sued for copyright infringment by downloading mp3s of CDs they already owned.
It does? The relavant portion seems to be: * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
You were going to have to download your awk and sed and vi and grep and maybe even eventually the shell from Apple IF you wanted it.
You act like I should be upset by this. If they want to cripple their own OS, it's not my problem. They've gotten tremendous mileage out of their Unix base, it's not as if we should be grateful to them for their "charity".
From their point of view they've bent over backwards, going far beyond the requirements of the FOSS licenses on the software they've used.
No, most of the time they're just barely within the terms of the licenses. It's taken this "slander" as you call it to get them to contribute back in any useful form (not globs of code interdependant on unavailable propritary code).
you can cavil about the usefulness of these packages if you like,
Yes I can.
but if Microsoft had released one percent of their comparable code it'd be a miracle.
Microsoft's OS is all propritary. It wasn't ever copied wholesale from an Open Source project. And, as I've said, Microsoft isn't touting themselves as a good OSS supporter... Apple is.
Hell, Microsoft's gotten proportionally more milage out of a smidgen of effort.
Mileage? Nobody thinks of Microsoft as supporters of OSS. Sure, their code gets used more widely, because they have more users, plain and simple.
Open up Java a bit too much, Microsoft turns it into a honeypot.
Java was never open, and Microsoft was forced to pay Sun for violating their contract. Making Java more open (or closed) wouldn't have helped one bit.
and the FOSS community jumps aboard the dotnet bandwagon with Mono.
Java is just as popular as it ever was with OSS, which is to say, not very popular. Just because a handful of people are developing Mono doesn't change things one bit. Practically nobody is actually using it, anyhow.
The famines there have nothing at all to do with poor climate or soil.
No, actually droughts (climate) are the most common cause of famines in Africa.
Aside from the Sahara region, Africa has much less to offer for massive solar installations than the middle-east.
Oh, gee, ONLY the Sahara region, eh? ONLY an area of 3.5 MILLION square miles? ONLY an area more than 3 times the size of the middle east?
And that's not even bothering to mention the large Kalahari and Namib deserts.
Actually, the area other than the middle east that is well suited for this type of installation is western China,
The Gobi desert (Mongolia and China) is only 0.5 million square miles all together. The Taklimaken desert (China) is only an additional 0.14 million square miles. Together, still less than 1/5th the size of the Sahara.
[...] 'hard drive', when it is the computer that is the problem. [...] using Office 2003 as their operating system.
"Regular People" don't know the terminology, they don't know the difference between "RAM" and "Hard Drives", they don't know the difference between "Operating System" and "Programs", they wouldn't recognize a "hard drive" if it fell on them. Still, if you skip most of the terminology, average people are perfectly able to understand.
Regular people who don't know why their computers aren't running during a blackout.
No, that last one there are just plain old idiots. Computers don't enter into it. These same 1% of the population complaints to the phone company that their cordless phones don't work during power outages, and to the cable companies that they only see a "black" picture on all channels when their TV doesn't have power. These are the kinds of idiots you have as a small minority in all parts of society.
If you've got a better way of ensuring BSD doesn't short-circuit into one-way, lossy contributions to multi-national, billion dollar corporations, I'm ready to hear it.
You're still basing all of this on the assumtion that is a BAD THING. It's not. The very ABILITY to not have to contribute back is why the BSDs are recieving so much funding from companies that don't support Linux development.
There are many, many situations where, for one reason or another, a company cannot contribute code back, so GPL'd code gets dismissed, and BSD code is used, where it exists. If it didn't exist, how would that make anyone any better off?
I'm not deprived of the code I've written when some company decides to use it in their product. There is some gain to society at large when they use publicly available and standard code (just think of the Unix wars). Nothing you can do will ever FORCE companies to use GPL'd code, even if the BSD wasn't there. That's only more of rms' insane rantings, which don't work out in the real world.
Let companies take and use the code. We're far better off for it, because if not for the BSD-licensed OpenSSH, the world would still be stuck using telnet. NFS is still in-use because all potential replacements for NFS are GPL'd, and DOA. Interestingly enough, it seems the most likely sucessor to NFS is... yes... OpenSSH as a network filesystem.
The GPL license is fine if you want software by Open Source developers, for Open Source projects. If you want to reach the other 98% of the world, however, and have something that reaches critical mass, and gets to be standard all-around, the GPL can't possibly do it, even if the BSD wasn't around.
Plagarism is failing to credit the source, while the BSD license requires proper atribution.
but these licenses are from nearly overly altruistic motavations.
Any non-commercial software (including GPL'd) is written from altruistic motivations. Who are you to say how far that altruism should go? Indeed, many of the major pieces of software we use wouldn't have become standards if they were under a more restrictive license.
With BSD's sabotage -- the license -- that help and the FreeBSD code has been thrown into the closed system of consumerist capitalism.
Apple surely wouldn't have used Linux, even if FreeBSD wasn't there... they would have paid some company for some closed-source Unix code, or perhaps have used the NEXT code directly, rather than accepting the GPLs limitations. The fact that OS X is a better operating system for the BSD licensed code is an indirect benefit to me, and you, and everyone else, while the alternative wouldn't at all benefit the public at large.
Frankly, it's sad to see how the more extreme Linux zealots are using the BSDs as a scapegoat for all of Linux's shortcommings.
They're not "lifting" the code, they're using it according to it's liscence,
That wasn't the point at all. The point is that Apple has been saying what great OSS supporters they are, and now they are even discontinuing the tiny bit of code sharing they have done.
There's nothing illegal or really wrong here... just more of Apple's slimy marketing tactics.
But hey, who can argue with the company who came out with the first 64-bit computer?!
Cisco and Juniper offer 24/7 worldwide support. Whether or not it sucks, this is the thing that keeps people cozily asleep at night,
Really? I think I'd sleep better knowing that (for the same price) I got MULTIPLE PC/software routers, setup in a zero-downtime failover cluster, with replacement parts trivially easy to get anywhere at anytime, and have full access to the source code if ever necessary.
does anyone know of a way to hasten the coming of this day, or plan for what to do if it does not happen?
Yes. Vote.
Setup your own political party if necessary, and make secret government spying programs the main issue (not abortion, gay rights, whether you voted to go to war, etc).
Gee... You mean lifting large chunks of code from other free operating systems to create a slow and very limited OS, and then imposing restrictive license terms on that free code, somehow doesn't automatically lead to an OSS project everyone wants to jump on???
I'm SHOCKED! Shocked I say!
Somehow I don't think the end of OpenDarwin is going to mean Apple will stop lifting code from the BSDs.
You seem to think that owning the media grants license to obtain unauthorized copies, and that's simply untrue.
Prove it.
but legalistically it's a bit of a stretch to say that that right extends as far as to downloading a copy from someone who's distributing the file without authorization from the copyright holder.
Start the lawsuit against Tivo, which allows a non-copyright holder to send a video he has copied under fair-use (time shifting) to transfer that video to another non-copyright holder.
Or against anyone who sells their DVDs, and includes their fair-use backup copy (required by copyright law).
1) Cheap labor 2) All their open land doesn't have any NIMBY neighbors to complain 3) No environmental restrictions/regulations 4) The open land cannot be used for anything else, especially crops.
Sounds exactly like most of AFRICA to me... And Africa is a hell of a lot bigger than the middle east.
A) You didn't say "foreign" or "imported" anywhere. B) "America" isn't a country, it's two continents. The "of America" part of USA is almost always left out.
Wind is a lot like hydro. It has an upper-limit, but other than that, it's cheap enough, and should be utilized as much as possible. Solar has even more potential, but wind gives a better return on investment right now.
The middle east will own the solar age like they do the oil age now, they have the sand and the sun, and huge deserts to coat with panels.
They have the sun? Really? I though I had the sun locked up in my garage, so nobody else could get at it.
And sand... Yeah, that's great for solar panels. You want lots of sand blown across them for peak effeciency.
Solar is only effective if it can be generated near where it is needed (which it can). You can't bottle up electricity (without SERIOUS conversion losses) and ship it to where it's needed, nor are transmission lines effecient enough to send it across countries.
If the middle east can meet all their energy needs with solar, good for them. It won't hardly affect the rest of the world.
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Trains have much more mass than semis and buses, but those vehicles will only be POTENTIALLY vulnerable to trains for a few seconds each month, at most.
Trains, however, have a critical flaw. Light passenger trains have to share the same tracks as other passenger trains, and unimaginably massive cargo trains, which take MILES to stop, once they've finally SEEN they're going to crash. You can see it comming for minutes, and STILL have no options but to decide whether you want to jump out, or hang on.
The same goes when a bridge goes out, or tracks are damaged. The train will go off flying, and embed itself 70 feet deep in the hardest packed dirt you can find.
If you look at the actual statistics, travel by train is still pretty dangerous.
Prove it.
The US government may subsudize oil companies somewhat, but that doesn't make OUR gas cheaper than gas in other countries. There is absolutely nothing to prevent US oil companies from selling their (US Gov subsudized) product to any other country in the world.
I'll take that bet.
Believe it or not, there has been a glut of oil, and they're running low on places to store it. I expect that, about the time of the switchover to the winter formula, we'll be seeing lower gas prices than we have in the past year.
I know it sounds crazy, but I fully expect next year gas won't be any more expensive than this year, let alone being 30% more expensive than this year's peak.
You can do what you want with the radiowaves you RECIEVE. However, as soon as you start sending signals back, you're probably breaking the law.
I specifically said: "You can't bottle up electricity (without SERIOUS conversion losses) and ship it to where it's needed,"
What part of that didn't you understand?
This is nonsense, but it's clearly not worth the effort arguing the point with you.
I tried to read your post, but it's more a collection of unrelated sentences put together in a big block, with no coherency. So, you start talking about those countries producing oil jump off onto some other subject without warning, and I'm supposed to somehow know what you were actually trying to say?
This is just completely arbitrary nonsense. Yes, the WHOLE of the middle east is slightly larger than the largest DESERT on earth. The problem is, not ALL of the middle east is desert, and the DESERT isn't covering all of Africa.
Mongolia isn't in China.
Yes, but if you wrote it, you own the copyright, unless you explicitly sold it to someone else (in which case, you're explicitly being paid so they can take credit).
There's no such thing as a "default" copyright, or anything like it. The license is written with "the Regents" in there because they originally wrote the license. It doesn't mean anything, and nobody would be stupid enough to copy it without changing it.
None of this passes the laugh test.
First of all, and perhaps most importantly, during a case of Deja Vu, you can remember what you're about to do next, and that is when I personally stop, and try to act entirely different to break it up. I don't know why, but I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that humans are just naturally predictable, and over several years will eventually do some things *exactly* as they have before.
Second, hypnotizing someone means you can induce any "feeling" you want. Tell them to feel Deja Vu, and they will. I fail to see how this is a significant break through. Might as well hypnotize people, telling them to have alzheimers, and then say you've made a great alzheimers breakthrough... In other words, the power of suggestion isn't the same as the neurological effect.
But what do I know, I'm just your average dog who likes to chase frisbees...
Like I said to the last guy: Prove it.
No. MP3.com is a company, and was using my.mp3.com to make a profit. That is a big consideration in fair-use doctrine.
Indeed, MP3.com was sued just for creating the database in the first place, not for the actual transfer of songs. And, as far as I know, none of the USERS of my.mp3.com were ever sued for copyright infringment by downloading mp3s of CDs they already owned.
Emphasis added. How is that NOT perfectly clear?
You act like I should be upset by this. If they want to cripple their own OS, it's not my problem. They've gotten tremendous mileage out of their Unix base, it's not as if we should be grateful to them for their "charity".
No, most of the time they're just barely within the terms of the licenses. It's taken this "slander" as you call it to get them to contribute back in any useful form (not globs of code interdependant on unavailable propritary code).
Yes I can.
Microsoft's OS is all propritary. It wasn't ever copied wholesale from an Open Source project. And, as I've said, Microsoft isn't touting themselves as a good OSS supporter... Apple is.
Mileage? Nobody thinks of Microsoft as supporters of OSS. Sure, their code gets used more widely, because they have more users, plain and simple.
Java was never open, and Microsoft was forced to pay Sun for violating their contract. Making Java more open (or closed) wouldn't have helped one bit.
Java is just as popular as it ever was with OSS, which is to say, not very popular. Just because a handful of people are developing Mono doesn't change things one bit. Practically nobody is actually using it, anyhow.
No, actually droughts (climate) are the most common cause of famines in Africa.
Oh, gee, ONLY the Sahara region, eh? ONLY an area of 3.5 MILLION square miles? ONLY an area more than 3 times the size of the middle east?
And that's not even bothering to mention the large Kalahari and Namib deserts.
The Gobi desert (Mongolia and China) is only 0.5 million square miles all together. The Taklimaken desert (China) is only an additional 0.14 million square miles. Together, still less than 1/5th the size of the Sahara.
I was making a point that letter-writing campaigns (your solution) are completely useless at affecting change. No other relevance intended.
But keep the tin-foil hat nice and shiny...
"Regular People" don't know the terminology, they don't know the difference between "RAM" and "Hard Drives", they don't know the difference between "Operating System" and "Programs", they wouldn't recognize a "hard drive" if it fell on them. Still, if you skip most of the terminology, average people are perfectly able to understand.
No, that last one there are just plain old idiots. Computers don't enter into it. These same 1% of the population complaints to the phone company that their cordless phones don't work during power outages, and to the cable companies that they only see a "black" picture on all channels when their TV doesn't have power. These are the kinds of idiots you have as a small minority in all parts of society.
You're still basing all of this on the assumtion that is a BAD THING. It's not. The very ABILITY to not have to contribute back is why the BSDs are recieving so much funding from companies that don't support Linux development.
There are many, many situations where, for one reason or another, a company cannot contribute code back, so GPL'd code gets dismissed, and BSD code is used, where it exists. If it didn't exist, how would that make anyone any better off?
I'm not deprived of the code I've written when some company decides to use it in their product. There is some gain to society at large when they use publicly available and standard code (just think of the Unix wars). Nothing you can do will ever FORCE companies to use GPL'd code, even if the BSD wasn't there. That's only more of rms' insane rantings, which don't work out in the real world.
Let companies take and use the code. We're far better off for it, because if not for the BSD-licensed OpenSSH, the world would still be stuck using telnet. NFS is still in-use because all potential replacements for NFS are GPL'd, and DOA. Interestingly enough, it seems the most likely sucessor to NFS is... yes... OpenSSH as a network filesystem.
The GPL license is fine if you want software by Open Source developers, for Open Source projects. If you want to reach the other 98% of the world, however, and have something that reaches critical mass, and gets to be standard all-around, the GPL can't possibly do it, even if the BSD wasn't around.
Plagarism is failing to credit the source, while the BSD license requires proper atribution.
Any non-commercial software (including GPL'd) is written from altruistic motivations. Who are you to say how far that altruism should go? Indeed, many of the major pieces of software we use wouldn't have become standards if they were under a more restrictive license.
Apple surely wouldn't have used Linux, even if FreeBSD wasn't there... they would have paid some company for some closed-source Unix code, or perhaps have used the NEXT code directly, rather than accepting the GPLs limitations. The fact that OS X is a better operating system for the BSD licensed code is an indirect benefit to me, and you, and everyone else, while the alternative wouldn't at all benefit the public at large.
Frankly, it's sad to see how the more extreme Linux zealots are using the BSDs as a scapegoat for all of Linux's shortcommings.
That wasn't the point at all. The point is that Apple has been saying what great OSS supporters they are, and now they are even discontinuing the tiny bit of code sharing they have done.
There's nothing illegal or really wrong here... just more of Apple's slimy marketing tactics.
But hey, who can argue with the company who came out with the first 64-bit computer?!
Really? I think I'd sleep better knowing that (for the same price) I got MULTIPLE PC/software routers, setup in a zero-downtime failover cluster, with replacement parts trivially easy to get anywhere at anytime, and have full access to the source code if ever necessary.
Yes. Vote.
Setup your own political party if necessary, and make secret government spying programs the main issue (not abortion, gay rights, whether you voted to go to war, etc).
Gee... You mean lifting large chunks of code from other free operating systems to create a slow and very limited OS, and then imposing restrictive license terms on that free code, somehow doesn't automatically lead to an OSS project everyone wants to jump on???
I'm SHOCKED! Shocked I say!
Somehow I don't think the end of OpenDarwin is going to mean Apple will stop lifting code from the BSDs.
Prove it.
Start the lawsuit against Tivo, which allows a non-copyright holder to send a video he has copied under fair-use (time shifting) to transfer that video to another non-copyright holder.
Or against anyone who sells their DVDs, and includes their fair-use backup copy (required by copyright law).
Sounds exactly like most of AFRICA to me... And Africa is a hell of a lot bigger than the middle east.
The U.S.
A) You didn't say "foreign" or "imported" anywhere.
B) "America" isn't a country, it's two continents. The "of America" part of USA is almost always left out.
Wind is a lot like hydro. It has an upper-limit, but other than that, it's cheap enough, and should be utilized as much as possible. Solar has even more potential, but wind gives a better return on investment right now.
They have the sun? Really? I though I had the sun locked up in my garage, so nobody else could get at it.
And sand... Yeah, that's great for solar panels. You want lots of sand blown across them for peak effeciency.
Solar is only effective if it can be generated near where it is needed (which it can). You can't bottle up electricity (without SERIOUS conversion losses) and ship it to where it's needed, nor are transmission lines effecient enough to send it across countries.
If the middle east can meet all their energy needs with solar, good for them. It won't hardly affect the rest of the world.