I'm not so sure about this... a lot of Linux users (I am a happy Windows 2000 user) claim to use Lynx to browse the web because it is so 'fast' and 'convenient'. How they put up with such an abominable interface is beyond me, but they do. There has been a cool invention in the 1960s called a 'mouse'. Its useful for 'pointing' and 'clicking' - something many Linux users (mostly server admins) have not yet learnt to master, else they would know that pointing and clicking is MUCH faster than pressing a whole shitload of keys to do something.
Back to the point: Lynx - no images - no bandwidth.
Yes, but has it occured to you that GMT is a worldwide standard on which other timezones are based. It is important to know GMT because all other times are given relative to it, e.g. Hong Kong time is +0800 GMT. The US time zones are NOT standards for anything, and hence we should not be required to know them.
I think it says great things about the Linux community.
OK, following this wonderful logic of yours: Bill Gates donated a great load of money to charity as well. I think it says great things about how generous Microsoft must be. Bollocks
The actions of one man cannot represent the actions of a community. The Linux community in particular are in general (with some exceptions) a group of Microsoft bashing self-righteous 'gurus' - something that this man, who is auctioning the check is clearing not.
He represents himself, he does not represent the Linux community by any stretch of the imagination.
What the hell were you doing installing W2K server on 64 megs of RAM. Had you actually bothered to READ the system requirements you'd have noticed that you should be installing it on minimum 256 megs of RAM.
Just because I named the web server does not mean that I am stating that therefore the web server MUST be the culprit. It could be, but may not. You assume too much by thinking that by posting the web server type, I think that its the only way that they could have been hacked.
They should have been more secure with their confidential files.
In all likelihood, this isn't something that was planned or intended by Visa to happen. There is only so much security one can put on a system without the functionality of the system being compromised. Visa doesn't like getting hacked into, who would? Its not right to assume that lax security is the reason for all security holes.
but if it's that important, why wouldn't they just keep it on C.D. or something, instead of on the hard drive
I'm not sure it even needs to be explained why this is so absolutely ridiculous!
What if someone walks off with the CD? In any case, the fact that the CD is in the computer makes the situation no different from having it on a hard disk.
a) How reliable is this news source? b) What is the potential for harm to Visa customers? c) Have the hacker group(s) actually stolen credit card numbers, or gained access to some other part of the system? d) What can Visa do about it in terms of guaranteeing that IF card numbers have been stolen, that customers will not be liable for any charges made illegally (or is this already provided for)?
Before we start to create mass hysteria and hype over this, we need to assess the actual potential for damage so that we do not let this get blown out of proportion.
I mean taking a realistic view, Visa is going to be damn well careful to keep their data secure, this hack is most certainly not due to negligence on their part. They're probably working their asses of right now to fix it. IF card numbers have been stolen, Visa has to pay for illegal purchases - and you can be sure that they're making every effort to avoid this.
I tried to run Loki's installer for Quake III Arena in FreeBSD 3.4 (with the Linux APIs installed of course) and it wouldn't run. Hopefully the same will not be true for the newer games...
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I'm not so sure about this... a lot of Linux users (I am a happy Windows 2000 user) claim to use Lynx to browse the web because it is so 'fast' and 'convenient'. How they put up with such an abominable interface is beyond me, but they do. There has been a cool invention in the 1960s called a 'mouse'. Its useful for 'pointing' and 'clicking' - something many Linux users (mostly server admins) have not yet learnt to master, else they would know that pointing and clicking is MUCH faster than pressing a whole shitload of keys to do something.
Back to the point: Lynx - no images - no bandwidth.
Yes, but has it occured to you that GMT is a worldwide standard on which other timezones are based. It is important to know GMT because all other times are given relative to it, e.g. Hong Kong time is +0800 GMT. The US time zones are NOT standards for anything, and hence we should not be required to know them.
Disclaimer: I am not English.
I've heard this guy's name before... something to do with Debian? Can someone explain to everyone (and me) who this guy is?
Sorry, this should read: something that this man, who is auctioning the check is clearly not
OK, following this wonderful logic of yours:
Bill Gates donated a great load of money to charity as well. I think it says great things about how generous Microsoft must be. Bollocks
The actions of one man cannot represent the actions of a community. The Linux community in particular are in general (with some exceptions) a group of Microsoft bashing self-righteous 'gurus' - something that this man, who is auctioning the check is clearing not.
He represents himself, he does not represent the Linux community by any stretch of the imagination.
What the hell were you doing installing W2K server on 64 megs of RAM. Had you actually bothered to READ the system requirements you'd have noticed that you should be installing it on minimum 256 megs of RAM.
Just because I named the web server does not mean that I am stating that therefore the web server MUST be the culprit. It could be, but may not. You assume too much by thinking that by posting the web server type, I think that its the only way that they could have been hacked.
In all likelihood, this isn't something that was planned or intended by Visa to happen. There is only so much security one can put on a system without the functionality of the system being compromised. Visa doesn't like getting hacked into, who would? Its not right to assume that lax security is the reason for all security holes.
but if it's that important, why wouldn't they just keep it on C.D. or something, instead of on the hard drive
I'm not sure it even needs to be explained why this is so absolutely ridiculous!
What if someone walks off with the CD? In any case, the fact that the CD is in the computer makes the situation no different from having it on a hard disk.
You can check this out at:
http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?hos t=www.visa.com
Don't blame it on Microsoft, its not always their fault. Sure doesn't look like it in this case.
We need to ask ourselves the usual questions:
a) How reliable is this news source?
b) What is the potential for harm to Visa customers?
c) Have the hacker group(s) actually stolen credit card numbers, or gained access to some other part of the system?
d) What can Visa do about it in terms of guaranteeing that IF card numbers have been stolen, that customers will not be liable for any charges made illegally (or is this already provided for)?
Before we start to create mass hysteria and hype over this, we need to assess the actual potential for damage so that we do not let this get blown out of proportion.
I mean taking a realistic view, Visa is going to be damn well careful to keep their data secure, this hack is most certainly not due to negligence on their part. They're probably working their asses of right now to fix it. IF card numbers have been stolen, Visa has to pay for illegal purchases - and you can be sure that they're making every effort to avoid this.
I tried to run Loki's installer for Quake III Arena in FreeBSD 3.4 (with the Linux APIs installed of course) and it wouldn't run. Hopefully the same will not be true for the newer games...