In the counterintelligence game, dropping a line to get the spies to expose themselves is how its done.
As to american agents in israel, we're not talking about that.
Arguing, "well, that doesn't matter compared to what THEY do" is a weak-assed puerile argument if the person saying it actually means it as an argument (not to mention its one of the classic fallacies), and indicates weakness when used as an argument to distract.
You are unworthy of more of my time, post what you like.
Dave
I believe the applicable folksy internet term is "FTW".
You do know how to access Congressional Research Service reports, I assume.
From Order Code RL33476
Israel: Background and Relations
with the United States
Updated September 8, 2008
Carol Migdalovitz
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
"On June 13, 2005, U.S. Department of Defense analyst Lawrence Franklin was
indicted for the unauthorized disclosure of classified information (about Iran) to a
foreign diplomat. Press reports named Naâ(TM)or Gilâ(TM)on, a political counselor at the Israeli
Embassy in Washington, as the diplomat. Gilâ(TM)on was not accused of wrongdoing and
returned to Israel. Then Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom strongly denied that Israel
was involved in any activity that could harm the United States, and Israelâ(TM)s
Ambassador to the United States declared that âoeIsrael does not spy on the United
States.â Franklin had been charged earlier on related counts of conspiracy to
communicate and disclose national defense information to âoepersonsâ not entitled to
receive it. The information was about Al Qaeda, U.S. policy toward Iran, and the
bombing of the Khobar Towers, a U.S. housing site in Saudi Arabia, in 1996. On
August 4, 2005, two former officials of the American Israel Political Action
Committee (AIPAC), Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, whom AIPAC fired in
April 2005, were identified as the âoepersonsâ and indicted for their parts in the
conspiracy. Both denied wrongdoing. Their attorneys asked the court to summon
Israeli diplomats to Washington for testimony. On January 20, 2006, Franklin was
sentenced to 12 years, 7 months in prison."
Some of this was back in the late 80's (Pollard, for one), some in the 90's, some more recent.
Your cites are...?
Dave
Not from any conspiracy websites.
Yes, they haven't been caught since '05
(didn't need export licenses for one thing, they claimed, another was a renegade op, they claimed) and they repeatedly say they don't spy on us, yet they also say that they "engage in no operations that are harmful to US interests."
Dave
The US is most heavily spied upon by Israel, there's a long history of it.
Unlike many who spy on the US, they don't do so to bring our system down, but to
a) gain leverage to affect US policy
b) learn about where we're heading
c) technology
(not saying its OK that their reasons are a bit less malevolent, their goals are just different)
They're in the somewhat unusual situation of having the existence of their country somewhat tied to what the US does (loath they'd be to admit it, though) both directly in our policies regarding them, and our policies w.r.t. other actors in the region.
Dave
My FIL has a prius- small portions of the battery pack can be replaced seperately, if a few cells go dead just that portion of the pack needs to be replaced.
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In the counterintelligence game, dropping a line to get the spies to expose themselves is how its done. As to american agents in israel, we're not talking about that. Arguing, "well, that doesn't matter compared to what THEY do" is a weak-assed puerile argument if the person saying it actually means it as an argument (not to mention its one of the classic fallacies), and indicates weakness when used as an argument to distract. You are unworthy of more of my time, post what you like. Dave
I believe the applicable folksy internet term is "FTW". You do know how to access Congressional Research Service reports, I assume. From Order Code RL33476 Israel: Background and Relations with the United States Updated September 8, 2008 Carol Migdalovitz Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division "On June 13, 2005, U.S. Department of Defense analyst Lawrence Franklin was indicted for the unauthorized disclosure of classified information (about Iran) to a foreign diplomat. Press reports named Naâ(TM)or Gilâ(TM)on, a political counselor at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, as the diplomat. Gilâ(TM)on was not accused of wrongdoing and returned to Israel. Then Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom strongly denied that Israel was involved in any activity that could harm the United States, and Israelâ(TM)s Ambassador to the United States declared that âoeIsrael does not spy on the United States.â Franklin had been charged earlier on related counts of conspiracy to communicate and disclose national defense information to âoepersonsâ not entitled to receive it. The information was about Al Qaeda, U.S. policy toward Iran, and the bombing of the Khobar Towers, a U.S. housing site in Saudi Arabia, in 1996. On August 4, 2005, two former officials of the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC), Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, whom AIPAC fired in April 2005, were identified as the âoepersonsâ and indicted for their parts in the conspiracy. Both denied wrongdoing. Their attorneys asked the court to summon Israeli diplomats to Washington for testimony. On January 20, 2006, Franklin was sentenced to 12 years, 7 months in prison." Some of this was back in the late 80's (Pollard, for one), some in the 90's, some more recent. Your cites are...? Dave
Not from any conspiracy websites. Yes, they haven't been caught since '05 (didn't need export licenses for one thing, they claimed, another was a renegade op, they claimed) and they repeatedly say they don't spy on us, yet they also say that they "engage in no operations that are harmful to US interests." Dave
The US is most heavily spied upon by Israel, there's a long history of it. Unlike many who spy on the US, they don't do so to bring our system down, but to a) gain leverage to affect US policy b) learn about where we're heading c) technology (not saying its OK that their reasons are a bit less malevolent, their goals are just different) They're in the somewhat unusual situation of having the existence of their country somewhat tied to what the US does (loath they'd be to admit it, though) both directly in our policies regarding them, and our policies w.r.t. other actors in the region. Dave
Fairly straight shooter on economics: http://www.dark-wraith.com/ Dave
My FIL has a prius- small portions of the battery pack can be replaced seperately, if a few cells go dead just that portion of the pack needs to be replaced. Dave
Just put them on the web, don't tell anyone the URL! Dave