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Obama, McCain Campaigns Both Hacked, Files Compromised
dunezone writes "As the election ends, news is coming out from both campaigns on what happened behind closed doors. During the summer, the Obama campaign had their systems hacked, but so did McCain — and not by each other, but by a third party. '... both the FBI and the Secret Service came to the campaign with an ominous warning: "You have a problem way bigger than what you understand," an agent told Obama's team. "You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system." The following day, Obama campaign chief David Plouffe heard from White House chief of staff Josh Bolten, to the same effect: "You have a real problem ... and you have to deal with it." The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised.'"
Also from the article: "Officials at the FBI and the White House told the Obama campaign that they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions — information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration."
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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So...was it the Chinese or the Russians?
and does this "foreign entity or organization" hang out on 4chan?
How we know is more important than what we know.
Is that all they're after? Pff. The Internet Archive already lets me do that. And if that's too much work, the candidates have already done the graphical diffs for us!
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It would not surprise me one bit...
Wait, Obama's campaign did use linux. Guess they should've used Solaris, then.
they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions--information that might be useful in negotiations with a future administration."
"they believed a foreign entity or organization sought to gather information on the evolution of both camps' policy positions--information that would be entirely useless once the winner back pedals on all campaign promises made."
Fixed that for them.
Given that he actually got more votes than some of the other candidates in the primaries, and given his platform, you never know.
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I am a little curious that someone would make all of that information so readily available. /.ers say, If it is on the net, it is vulnerable. Or something like that.
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My bet is someone trying to get a leg up in their Fantasy U.S. Elections league.
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What effect will this had on the election, if someone will invented time travel? (Note my use of the appropriate grammatical tense for speaking of time travel.)
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
What I really hope is that the President-Elect was made fully aware of the situation by his staff and the authorities. Hopefully, this knowledge would inspire him to seriously consider the potential danger to our country in the area of network security. Of course we never hear stories of what we do to foreign countries, but I have definitely heard too many stories of what other countries do to us to be of a sound mind in regards to the integrity of our nations information infrastructure.
During the summer the Obama campaign had their systems hacked, but so did McCain - and not by each other but a third party.
Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinney?
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Starting in January, this question will begin to be answered.
...Carly Fiorina worked on McCain's campaign.
I particularly love this insight:
The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ⦠answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."
Could you have imagined Obama saying that during the election? heh
I volunteered to work on a Senate campaign. I was shocked to learn their headquarters was using an open wireless access point, but handing out WEP keys to hundreds of volunteers bringing their own laptops would have been unmanagable. Plus, you wouldn't even need to hack the network from the outside -- literally anyone can volunteer and gain access to their servers. Most of the data is just donor and supporter lists anyway; it's not like it does a candidate any good to keep their platform a secret! Since thousands of unvetted volunteers had access to the candidate's networks, I certainly hope they used a rule that no data should be placed on the campaign servers that you wouldn't want to see leaked to the newspapers the next day anyway. And everybody already knows if you're going to do something that is possibly unethical or unlawful, you NEVER mention it in email! I very much doubt you could find any information on McCain's or Obama's campaign computers that would be useful to anyone after the election.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
"You (Obama) have a big problem, and you (McCain) have a real problem"
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The only surprise about this is that they picked it up. It's happening every day. Slashdot's reported enough dots over the last five years to join up and see a definite pattern.
It must have been the McCain campaign that was running the world's only BSD installation..
Why do these campaigns matter anymore?
I doubt it was anonymous. Basically a bunch of script kiddies.
There are plenty of script kiddies that just call themselves anonymous, so the line is very blurry these days.
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Suppose somebody edited the files without campaign workers catching on, leading to subtle changes in the behavior of the campaign.
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When posed the question of how one might respond to cyberattacks on their own websites, the following responses were gathered:
McCain: My friends, I've been around the block a few times. I know what it's like to be hacked. I know what it's like to be crippled, to be seized by foreign powers and pried for information. My friends, I've been there, not 30 years ago I was......Internet? What's that now? Oh, like the tubes...
Obama: There is no classified data on those servers. There never was. I will not hide information from the people of America. I will not hide my concerns from foreign powers. We are a nation built on freedom and that includes freedom of information. If they want to know our bathroom schedules, we will let them know. Yes we can. If they want to know where I park my car in the afternoon, I will tell them. Yes we can. If they want to know the route my daughter takes to school...
Palin: Dog gone it, how am I going to know when my next hair appointment is? Oh, it's still there? But you said they stole it. Could we go back to the part just after, "You're my vice presidential choice"? I've been a little confused since then.
Stevens: You ask me if they'll get away with this? I'll tell you. "NO!!"
Bush: Thank Christ the Lord I am done with this job. Next question...
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I wonder how the Feds found out that the parties had been hacked? Maybe secret service detected one then started looking at the other? I guess neither was running an IDS.
Which platforms were they using? Was Obama using Linux and McCain Windows? Makes you wonder.....
Seriously, what information do they have?
National secrets? Launch codes? Pictures of Britney's crotch?
Yeah, advise them to lock down their system, but for crying out loud, stop acting like every computer breach and tress[pass is the end of the civilized world.
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Unless the villains modified a public campaign website, how did the Feds know about this? Does the FBI have access to the campaign machines?
Why would a guy who is just learning to get online, himself, care ?
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wasn't he Jonathan Lee Riches whose brain was fried by Blizzard's WoW (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/05/1658215) ?
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It's a good thing McCain doesn't know how to use a computer!
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I am not much for the whole conspiracy theory BS, but if I really wanted to, underhandedly, get more funding for my department/organization it would make sense to approach the likely candidates and tell them they have a problem. Then when either candidate comes into power it would be much easier to say: "we need more funding for 'cyber-defence' to protect the country from attacks. Attacks like you fell victim to not to long ago, remember?"
On a side note, I hate the word cyber in this context.
I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
95% of the unauthorized http accesses and port scans to my PC at home are from China. Go figure.
This wouldn't be a problem if our political system did not practically require politicians to keep secrets and lie through their teeth.
The US is most heavily spied upon by Israel, there's a long history of it. Unlike many who spy on the US, they don't do so to bring our system down, but to a) gain leverage to affect US policy b) learn about where we're heading c) technology (not saying its OK that their reasons are a bit less malevolent, their goals are just different) They're in the somewhat unusual situation of having the existence of their country somewhat tied to what the US does (loath they'd be to admit it, though) both directly in our policies regarding them, and our policies w.r.t. other actors in the region. Dave
They guy (a professor) explains that you can have a democracy or a Jewish state, but not both. Seemed pretty self-explanatory. Oh well.
While "The One" was blasting NAFTA to gain support, he sought to secretly reassure Canadian government, that he has no plans to change the agreement.
His campaign position's on coal kept changing faster, than any hacker could download...
The lowest income, on which the taxes will be increased.
Fortunately, Joe Biden's foreign policy statements like:
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The Feds told Obama's aides in late August that the McCain campaign's computer system had been similarly compromised.'
so fbi, which was turned into a joke by the neocon gop administration by implanting their own people in, went and told obama camp that mccain campaign also got hacked.
no sir i dont buy it. i dont think it was a third party. 'policy position' is also bullshit, the policy positions of each party is clear, and you dont need to hack any website or get any files to know about it.
but, if you hack their websites, you can get a lot of information about the donors.
sounds like neocon filth to me. cataloguing info about donors.
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Obama seems to have somehow slipped through the vetting process. It's common knowledge that politicians should not have an independently functioning brain with an ability to grasp the overall picture. Did no one interview this guy to make sure he could be swayed by a $600/hr lobbiest in an expensive suit, or by advisers with hidden agendas? This, my fellow Americans, can lead to no good outcomes. Applying common sense and logic in this fashion will surely grind Washington D.C. to a halt.
Mark my words...this fool will be making decisions which will utterly confound both major parties. The only thing I can't determine is whether they'll strip his flesh like a school of piranhas or end up following him off the cliff of common sense. :-)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
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So we should skate out of Palin then too, by being sold into intergalactic bondage. Score!
The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
One word. It is the Chinese. This is what happens when U.S. companies move their production and design to China. For gods sake don't move any more production overseas or out source.
So, I'll refrained from criticizing any conservative or GOP positions, and simply deal with what's incorrect.
1. NAFTA - that story you link to is incorrect. A couple of days after the article you cite, both the Obama campaign and - more importantly - the Canadian embassy itself declared that no such assurances were made. So either they're all lying, or the first article that you cite got it wrong.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/03/politics/main3898313.shtml
2. Obama's position on coal is: We will probably need some coal as a transition away from foreign oil. But coal also comes with environmental risks, so clean coal is better than dirty coal.
That's not shifting, that's reasonable. Sometimes reality is nuanced. That's addressing different circumstances in a complex world.
3. There was and is absolutely no change in Obama's tax plans, or anywhere near it. That link you cite is not even from Obama speaking. That's Biden making a gaffe-tastic misstatement in a speech. The Obama campaign restated it's policy after Biden's misstatement - it says that in the very same article you cite.
4. As for Biden's transcribed dialogue - it seems quite clear to me. It's just transcribed from live human speech. Biden's saying "When the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, Barack and I wanted NATO forces moved in to fill the vacuum. Otherwise Hezbollah would walk back in."
So, in conclusion, I'd like to propose that, from this point forward, we criticize what people's actual articulated positions are, and see how their actions match up to those positions. Because, as an Obama supporter, I *want* to see Obama's positions and policies criticized from every possible angle. Both in formulation and in practice.
But let's stick with what Obama and others are actually intentionally saying (and will now be doing) - and not hearsay or misstatements. Let's concentrate on whether or not it will work, and why.
Sound good?
The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
But did they find out if either campaign used their email for personal reasons?
If you've never been modded as "flamebait" or "troll," you've never tried to argue a minority viewpoint here!
Wasn't us. If one of us had done it the information would be public by now. It's not as funny if they get to hide their fuck up.
Anonymous is just the 4chan equivalent of Anonymous Coward. It's not supposed to be a group or an identity. Some of them just decided "We Are Anonymous" sounded cool, but they were using the word in a completely literal sense.
Just for fun, let me go a little wing-nut here. The FBI informs the campaigns that their systems have been compromised. Implying of course that the campaigns themselves don't already know this. So ... how does the FBI know? That's weird all by itself.
Let's get even weirder. Do they know? Maybe they are just making shit up, so that they can offer to 'help' the campaigns tighten up their security. Thereby obtaining access to information that they wanted. What information, why, and for who? Dunno. I'm just opening the door for the next conspiracy theory.
Both campaigns were hacked.
If you can't beat 'em, hack 'em.
I'll be your candy shop of infinite deliciousity if you'll be my discotheque of endless rump-shaking.
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Gee's. They spend millions and millions of dollars on their election campaigns. And they spend NOTHING on their I.T. services.... What sort of a trained I.T. monkey do they have??? A Chimp? Gorilla? Orangutan?
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Her proper nickname is "Bible Spice".
No, it was just Anon again.
What makes anyone think it is an overseas job?
Maybe it is just the current administration putting all our well-spent dollars to work in the pursuit of information about what Obama/McCain might do in regards to Bush and Sons Liquidators, LLC.
I'm sure Kennedy/s experienced the same sort of probing.
Or maybe it isn't all that sinister. Maybe the two campaigns simply paid 3rd parties to hack each other. That sits much better with me.
I will sleep better tonight knowing that both the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the White House are watching the Obama campaign's computer networks carefully enough to detect third party intrusions. I'm sure neither of them would actually look inside the network to find out what the campaign is thinking.
In Virginia, the voter data was stored on a server (provided by the Democratic party of VA) in a datacenter, with a web front end. Worked okay for the most part, but cratered at the end from a massive load.
The wireless was WPA on Cisco APs, and there were no local servers in any of the VA offices. Used a fair number of Ubuntu boxen with X terminals attached - generally 6 or 8 Xterms on a private LAN attached to a mid-range desktop machine.
A fair number of machines loaned to the campaign, as well - Macs, Windows boxen, and some machines with no OS that were running live Linux CDs.
The data entry systems worked equally well in IE, Firefox, and Safari, Linux, OSX, and Windows. It probably performs just fine in most of the elections in VA, but this election has been historic in many ways.
Why can't I mod "-1 Idiot"?
Actually, they treat it as a group and identity. They organize attacks against stupid websites and people under that term.
I'd love to know where you're pulling this out of, aside from your usual conspiracy theory sites. It's quite clear that Russia is both highly capable and highly inclined to spy on the USA... *much* more so than Israel.
Israel has had very few (you can count them on one hand) instances over its entire history (~60 years) where it was caught spying on the US. They put a firm stop to it the last time it happened (a few decades ago). China and Russia on the other hand...
Again, Russia has a very strong motive and capability to do this. Much more so than anyone else. And unlike our spying allies, they don't have our best interest at heart.
Probably after the dream cabinet choices.
My choices for cabinet would be:
1) Chuck Hagel: Defense
2) Ron Paul(R): Treasury (!!!)
3) Clinton: Spl. Envoy to Pakistan
4) Ralph nader: OSHA chief
5) Spitzer(yes): SEC chief
6) Schwarzenegger: State
That's all i can remember...
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Inside info - I post this here quite late in the thread so only a few will read it...
The article mentions an attack midsummer suggesting 2008, but we investigated attacks starting midsummer 2007. There were brief compromises, but quite limited in scope as far as we could determine when examined the traces; we assumed that it was done by bored hackers without particular political motivation. The leadership sought out our expertise to protect the data as a result.
There was a more serious breach in January 2008, it exploited human error/trust more than system insecurity; only outdated files were compromised. It was shortly after that we set up a proper 'honeypot' in the hope of catching the 'weak link'. It did not appear to work; the 'weak link' either stopped being active or s/he left the campaign altogether. However, in April the fake data was accessed. It was indeed a very skilled attack exploiting vulnerabilities and we could only trace the attackers(!) to public terminals and one overseas location. We monitored the patterns throughout the summer, interestingly the activity stopped sometime around the beginning of October, maybe the financial crisis had something to do with this.
There was no need to have the highly sensitive data to be on anything connected to the internet. And fortunately we could convince the leadership as well. Our contract is up and we are replaced by the feds handling the transition.
If things turn out the way they look. Stevens will get re-elected. Then the Senate will eject him, causing a special election, and Palin will be elected to the Senate. So, hold on to your Moose horns, because she's gonna be back a lot sooner than 2012.
Also, the US has routinely spied on their allies for decades. Nobody should be surprised if some of those allies spy back.
The list of examples is massive and includes both spying on friendly governments and industrial espionage on behalf of American companies.
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Get the jump on some unposted policies and you have can put together a 2 market positions before the election is complete and enact the gameplan to fit who won the election.
With the stockmarket volatility some cash can be made if you can confirm a policy decision ahead of the pack.
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You do realize that the only reason Mutually Assured Destruction worked for keeping a nuclear war from happening was the Mutually part? So building that missile shield is essentially declaring that you (the USA) want the ability to use nuclear weapons without retaliation.
So, as a denizen of the Baltic region, it would really have been nice if you'd picked a president that doesn't do military aggression four years back already. At least the next one hopefully won't be doing everything he can to make things worse like Bush has.
We need to hold another vote!
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not true. some people actually do things, like the whole harrassing scientologists thing. And when has AC ever organized a group harrassment of Scientologists?
Never.
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I'm not trying to start a flame war, but does it strike anyone else as odd that the summary appears more than a little biased in it's form? Both campaings get hacked, but somehow it's all about Obama's campaign with the mention of the McCain campaign thrown in to imply that it wasn't them doing the hacking? It's as if the expectation was that the hacking came from the other camp and they've gotten away with something by being hacked themselves.
I recognize that Obama has won, so it's obviously more important to know what the winners secret files said than the losers, but the summary sounds unnecessarily partisan to me.
maybe i'm just being over sensitive since I didn't vote for Obama, and am just being a Troll
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As you say, the more private version of this info might be useful to the other campaign but it's not going to be that interesting to foreign adversaries.
Why would potential blackmail material not be that interesting to foreign adversaries?
Joe "Drug Czar" Biden is pragmatic? The drug war is a poster child for anti-pragmatic government.
Some inside info is more interesting than others. When I run for office, my computers are going to be full of misinformation. Plans to attack Washington State, Possible treaty negotiations with Germany for increased import of good beer. And other things that are closer to actual policy positions.
Maybe I would make a terrible politician, because I can't figure out what information they had as candidates would be of use to anyone. Even campaign strategies seem to be pointless to me. The only strategy that makes any sense is to win receiving more votes than your opponent. Anything else is voodoo politics. The people who practice it thinks it works, despite an overwhelming body of evidence that it does not. I think the loser of any campaign is the one who practices more voodoo.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
well, the internet has been available to public use since the early 80's i believe, and people still dont understand crap about it. how difficult is it to not put a system with extremely valuable information like campaign stuff on the internet?? what, are they looking at youtube and downloading porn while editing their hella important information? sending out email attachments with secret government info? people hack networks you shit heads!!!
Israel doesn't need to spy on us, all the information they need is handed to them.
Not from any conspiracy websites. Yes, they haven't been caught since '05 (didn't need export licenses for one thing, they claimed, another was a renegade op, they claimed) and they repeatedly say they don't spy on us, yet they also say that they "engage in no operations that are harmful to US interests." Dave
'05 yeah right. More like the 1980s.
I believe the applicable folksy internet term is "FTW". You do know how to access Congressional Research Service reports, I assume. From Order Code RL33476 Israel: Background and Relations with the United States Updated September 8, 2008 Carol Migdalovitz Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division "On June 13, 2005, U.S. Department of Defense analyst Lawrence Franklin was indicted for the unauthorized disclosure of classified information (about Iran) to a foreign diplomat. Press reports named Naâ(TM)or Gilâ(TM)on, a political counselor at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, as the diplomat. Gilâ(TM)on was not accused of wrongdoing and returned to Israel. Then Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom strongly denied that Israel was involved in any activity that could harm the United States, and Israelâ(TM)s Ambassador to the United States declared that âoeIsrael does not spy on the United States.â Franklin had been charged earlier on related counts of conspiracy to communicate and disclose national defense information to âoepersonsâ not entitled to receive it. The information was about Al Qaeda, U.S. policy toward Iran, and the bombing of the Khobar Towers, a U.S. housing site in Saudi Arabia, in 1996. On August 4, 2005, two former officials of the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC), Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, whom AIPAC fired in April 2005, were identified as the âoepersonsâ and indicted for their parts in the conspiracy. Both denied wrongdoing. Their attorneys asked the court to summon Israeli diplomats to Washington for testimony. On January 20, 2006, Franklin was sentenced to 12 years, 7 months in prison." Some of this was back in the late 80's (Pollard, for one), some in the 90's, some more recent. Your cites are...? Dave
What a laughable example...
Let's put things in perspective shall we?
1) The FBI dangles fake intelligence in front of Lawrence Franklin that indicates an immediate threat to the lives of Israeli agents working with Iraqi Kurds and also indicates that the US is withholding this information from Israel. Key point: The FBI used entrapment, which is illegal.
2) Franklin decides to pass this information on to AIPAC members purely out of personal conviction to save lives.
3) There is a debate as to what happened at this point. One report said that AIPAC members pushed back on Franklin, telling him they're unwilling to accept classified information. Another report said the AIPAC member tried to pass that information on to the Israeli government and was rejected at that level. Either way, none of these individuals had a professional relationship with the Israeli government or intelligence agency. They acted out of personal conviction to save lives.
4) FBI busts Franklin.
What do you think would happen if the FBI dared using Entrapment on African Americans or Muslim Americans? You wouldn't here the end of it. What the heck is the FBI doing plotting ways to make the Jewish community look bad? If this was a genuine espionage case I'd be all over this, but it is not. If anything, the FBI should apologize for their actions.
On the other hand, do you know how often American agents are caught spying on the Israeli government and deported without a charge?
In the counterintelligence game, dropping a line to get the spies to expose themselves is how its done. As to american agents in israel, we're not talking about that. Arguing, "well, that doesn't matter compared to what THEY do" is a weak-assed puerile argument if the person saying it actually means it as an argument (not to mention its one of the classic fallacies), and indicates weakness when used as an argument to distract. You are unworthy of more of my time, post what you like. Dave
1) Your first statement acknowledges the fact that Entrapment was used.
2) You argue that the FBI was fishing for Israeli agents, yet it turns out they caught an unsuspecting American *civilian* instead. He was no Israeli agent, or Israeli at all.
So in conclusion: the FBI used Entrapment to convict an American civilian of passing information to Israeli NGOs.
Congratulations, they must be proud. They broke the law and acted maliciously against their strongest ally.
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They *are* a group, as their organised demonstrations against scientology show. But I wouldn't call them the elite of hackers. They've been "pwned" by the real hackers enough to show that.
BTW I'm posting as AC, but I don't have anything to do with TGKAA (the group known as anonymoous)
I doubt any of you know what you are talking about... ah crap i didnt log out.
That was Project Chanology. It grew to include a lot of people who had nothing to do with the original "Anonymous" raids.
You were taxed for the Palin family's shopping spree, but not for Michelle Obama's funny-looking black-with-red dress, because McCain-Palin accepted public financing and Obama-Biden did not. Even though they'll certainly bill it to the RNC, McCain's campaign had more of the RNC's money to waste on wardrobes due to public financing. So in effect we were taxed for half of all their expenses, from bathroom tissue to needless markups. Which is why McCain's whining about Obama's private, donor-funded campaign and "floodgates" didn't work. If he had been serious about "campaign finance reform" McCain would have insisted that only individual citizens may give to candidates and political parties. If businesspersons want to donate, they must have the courage to put their name on their activities, to donate as individuals like everybody else.
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You know, the word "gaffe" has already been made more famous by Obama/Biden in 2 months, than the word "snafu" — by Clintons in 8 years. But this was not a gaffe, a term defined (thank you, WordNet) as: a socially awkward or tactless act. A gaffe — such as Biden's statement, that Hillary would've been a better choice than him — is still factually correct, it is just "awkward or tactless".
What Biden said — and what I quoted was only one of the pearls — was not a gaffe, and no amount of spin can help that...
Oh, well, you should've started with that! Of course, if you say, that the experts say, it is true, then it must be true. It is just that somewhere higher in this thread a plea was made to concentrate on "people's actual articulated positions", rather than "hearsay"...
I only listened to Biden once — he never came to my state, which Democrats take for granted. I was quite astounded, that his "actual articulated positions" were so factually wrong. And a few days later, Ann Coulter has summarized it rather well — and added one, that I didn't notice myself. You can discount her for a partisan hack she is, but she didn't invent any of his words...
I'm sorry, but, as already stated, this was not a "gaffe". Bush had gaffes: "Don't misunderstimate," — that's a gaffe or, perhaps, a misstatement, for the intended meaning is clear and obvious. Biden — as quoted — was either lying trying to burnish his and Obama's credentials, or simply having a senior moment on national TV.
Much was made of the Bush's funky "nukular", even though, it was still perfectly clear, what he meant. But when Biden is going to be needed as a foreign policy expert, who can possibly rely on his advice?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
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Seriously you fucking nerds she's moderately attractive and no more. Or maybe growing up in San Diego just instilled me with high standards.
neocon bitch admitted to screening DOJ applicants FORTY times in front of the senate comittee, under LIVE broadcast by news channels. FORTY. FORTY different people were rejected from DOJ because their political viewpoints were not neocon enough.
if there are still brainwashed zealots trying to defend gop among us by downmodding stuff they dont like, may heavens rot them in hell.
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In the realm of risk, unmanaged possibilities become probabilities: These data breaches and thefts are due to a lagging business culture. As CIO, I'm always looking for ways to help my team, business teams, and ad hoc measures of various vendors, contractors and internal team members. A book that is required reading is "I.T. WARS: Managing the Business-Technology Weave in the New Millennium." We keep a few copies kicking around - it would be a bit much to expect outside agencies to purchase it on our say-so. But, particularly when entertaining bids for projects and in the face of challenging change, we ask potential solutions partners to review relevant parts of the book, and it ensures that these agencies understand our values and practices. The author, David Scott, has an interview here that is a great exposure: http://businessforum.com/DScott_02.html The book came to us as a tip from one of our interns who attended a course at University of Wisconsin, where the book is in use. It has helped us to understand that, while various systems of security are important, no system can overcome laxity, ignorance, or deliberate intent to harm. The real crux of the matter is education and training to the organization as a whole â" and a recurring schedule of training â" in building a sustained culture and awareness; an efficient prism through which every activity is viewed from a security perspective prior to action. I like to pass along things that work, in the hope that good ideas continue to make their way to me.
Troll? Damn you're a bunch of touchy bastards. That was a JOKE! It seems though you don't mind when Palin's account was broken into because you thought they found dirt. Different when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?
So FUCK OFF!
If you've never been modded as "flamebait" or "troll," you've never tried to argue a minority viewpoint here!