There is no patter developing here. Sure, developers tend to switch to Linux ( mostly Unix guys anyway) but users ?? Will come back to this discussion when we start seeing people in offices use Linux.
Now you are lying. MSDN is the best there is. The only thing that even comes close in the Linux world is documentation Troll provides with Qt.
As to the tools. Sure there are things like DDD which are very usable but they don't even come close to the level of integration provided by MS IDEs. (KDevelop is very very close to the MS level..I hope they continue with this and provide us with stable version.)
Basically, the only hope for Linux is provided by KDE team. Eveything else is pretty much uncoordinated mess...
Huh. There is a hell of a difference between trying to sell some chips with embedded IDs and trying to wipe out whole civilizations ( as Germans did.) Get your priorities streight dude.
Of course you can tighten Win box ( ever heard about sys policies) but generally you are right. Linux is better suited for this kind of work ( one problem is Web browser )
Your information is being used with your permission. It might not be explicit one but still, you have a choice not to use credit cards and thus completely avoid problems like that.
Yes. GL is the standard.. however, tell me my friend, if you go out and buy one of the better graphics cards what is the chance that there will be hardware accelerated GL driver for Linux. I am talking about _real_ support not some software renderer. Where is the API that describes how to access DSP to play sounds concurently ? Never seen one...
Heh.. question.. Why don't you just go and buy Windows version ? It will work right away. I don't understand why people try to use wrong tools for the job... Web serving ? sure.. Linux will do just fine but games ? Everything has its place...
No. It is not the same releasing for Linux as it is for Windows. Linux lacks just about everything Windows provides for game developers. No standard access to 3d acceleration, sound, advanced input devices - it is like DOS games 10 years ago. Until Linux has this in place you won't see much development there.
Maybe it is not linux ignorance but business decision. Maybe they analized Loki's success or failure and came to conclusion that it is not worth to support linux. It is only my speculation...
Hmm... dude, you are wrong. X apps do have separate queues. For example, when your netscape hangs for some reason, it is only netscape that stops pumping messages comming from X ( one of them is repaint() - that's why its window is gray) every other application works fine.
There is however problem with mouse input, heavy load can couse mouse pointer to move in jerky fashion - this is something that AccelX solves nicely with what they call "velvet mouse".
X works exactly in the same fashion as NT and Windows 95 ( as far as separate queues issue goes.)
Windows always seems more responsive due to faster graphical subsystem and lots of other small things like mouse input independend of GUI subsystem, threads that control currently selected window get higher priority etc...
Whow... you must be talking about some sort of wrapper. 19 Kb is not much more than simple "Hello World" written in C++ ( using some sort of framework)
How about this ? Linux != GPL. There are tons of people who run Linux simply because they like Unix better then MS stuff. For them GPL issues are completely irrelevant - I think Troll is too generous with their license as it is... forget GPL.
It is your opinion. I am happy enough to have source code. After all , as a programmer my goal is not to change social contracts between people/companies - it is to create code ( and Open Source helps with that a lot)
One of those loosers who wants to have everything for free.. Fucking expensive ?? I guess it might be for wannabies who code GTK style apps ( so called wonderfull world of front-ends written in GTK) but in real world QT license is very cheap.
Not to mention the quality... I don't get it... Some people invested their money, spend years creating product and are nice enough to give it to you for free if you also promise to give stuff you written using it for free, but no... it is not enough for some.
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There is no patter developing here. Sure, developers tend to switch to Linux ( mostly Unix guys anyway) but users ??
Will come back to this discussion when we start seeing people in offices use Linux.
Now you are lying. MSDN is the best there is. The only thing that even comes close in the Linux world is documentation Troll provides with Qt.
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As to the tools. Sure there are things like DDD which are very usable but they don't even come close to the level of integration provided by MS IDEs. (KDevelop is very very close to the MS level..I hope they continue with this and provide us with stable version.)
Basically, the only hope for Linux is provided by KDE team. Eveything else is pretty much uncoordinated mess
Yeah.. and are you sure your are not being followed by black helicopters ?
I am one of these foreigners here in US but .. still, US is great - I don't think I would even consider going back to Europe.
Huh. There is a hell of a difference between trying to sell some chips with embedded IDs and trying to wipe out whole civilizations ( as Germans did .)
Get your priorities streight dude.
What makes you so sure it will _never_ be viable alternative to Unix ?
Are you psychic ?
Of course you can tighten Win box ( ever heard about sys policies) but generally you are right. Linux is better suited for this kind of work ( one problem is Web browser )
Your information is being used with your permission. It might not be explicit one but still, you have a choice not to use credit cards and thus completely avoid problems like that.
Yes. GL is the standard .. however, tell me my friend, if you go out and buy one of the better graphics cards what is the chance that there will be hardware accelerated GL driver for Linux. ...
I am talking about _real_ support not some software renderer.
Where is the API that describes how to access DSP to play sounds concurently ? Never seen one
Heh.. question .. Why don't you just go and buy Windows version ? It will work right away. ... Web serving ? sure .. Linux will do just fine but games ? ...
I don't understand why people try to use wrong tools for the job
Everything has its place
No. It is not the same releasing for Linux as it is for Windows. Linux lacks just about everything Windows provides for game developers. No standard access to 3d acceleration, sound, advanced input devices - it is like DOS games 10 years ago.
Until Linux has this in place you won't see much development there.
Maybe it is not linux ignorance but business decision. Maybe they analized Loki's success or failure and came to conclusion that it is not worth to support linux. It is only my speculation ...
Hmm ... dude, you are wrong. X apps do have separate queues. For example, when your netscape hangs for some reason, it is only netscape that stops pumping messages comming from X ( one of them is repaint() - that's why its window is gray) every other application works fine.
...
There is however problem with mouse input, heavy load can couse mouse pointer to move in jerky fashion - this is something that AccelX solves nicely with what they call "velvet mouse".
X works exactly in the same fashion as NT and Windows 95 ( as far as separate queues issue goes.)
Windows always seems more responsive due to faster graphical subsystem and lots of other small things like mouse input independend of GUI subsystem, threads that control currently selected window get higher priority etc
Whow ... you must be talking about some sort of wrapper. 19 Kb is not much more than simple "Hello World" written in C++ ( using some sort of framework)
Anyone ? Hmm .. Only in commercial world things really get done, in OS world things drag forever ( LessTif ???)
How about this ? Linux != GPL. There are tons of people who run Linux simply because they like Unix better then MS stuff. For them GPL issues are completely irrelevant - I think Troll is too generous with their license as it is ... forget GPL.
Sure, It will be perfect world when every application comes with its own toolkit, don't you think ?
Forget it . Seriously, KDE is only where it is thanks to Qt.
Qt is simply the best there is in C++ GUI toolkits.
It is your opinion. I am happy enough to have source code. After all , as a programmer my goal is not to change social contracts between people/companies - it is to create code ( and Open Source helps with that a lot)
What ? Are you suggesting that it would be cheaper to significantly increase computing power than increase HD storage ?? Are you on crack ?
One of those loosers who wants to have everything for free .. Fucking expensive ?? I guess it might be for wannabies who code GTK style apps ( so called wonderfull world of front-ends written in GTK) but in real world QT license is very cheap.
... ... Some people invested their money, spend years creating product and are nice enough to give it to you for free if you also promise to give stuff you written using it for free, but no ... it is not enough for some.
Not to mention the quality
I don't get it
I have tried this long time ago, before the author switched to GTK. It was nice, CDE like stuff ...
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I am quite sure that it is more usable now but this terrible heavy-dirty look of GTK toolbars is too much for me
Dos provided "direct pipeline to hardware". We need something more ... direct layer of functions that emulate or execute in real hardware ...
Don't like it ... don't use it.
Didn't happen with Unix did it ??
.. something else came along and won.
Actually it did.. on the desktop Unix died