Not much will change unless somebody comes up with something better than X. Current solution simply won't cut it - specially when compared with Windows... It is much slower than Windows on the same hardware - this will be enough for many people to conclude that Linux is inferior to MS offerings ( and to tell the truth it is - when it comes to desktop functionality it definately is)
Yeah, it is nice but don't you think it is quite idiotic that each of them comes with it's own help system, notepad, wordpad, bunch of _the same_ games and all kinds of other applets. I mean, it is simply waste of developers time. I can understand having to different desktops to choose from but what's the point of duplicating efforts creating all thoses little apps - instead of having dozen "advanced editors" I would rather have one that actually works. I know it is all free and practically nobody gets directly paid for doing all this stuff which makes harder for people to bitch about it but still, I they should do something about this nonsense. Maybe something will change...
Hey.... I used to live in Poland and remember some older guy talking about how Russians would use their own soldiers to "deactivate" mine fields during WW2. They had something like penalty units that would be basically used to perform all kinds of suicidal missions. He also mentioned something how excellent German soldiers were, both in warfare and,listen to that, their treatment of local population. It is kinda hard to belive when you read about Birkenau and other places. Obviously, the history books do not tell the whole truth.
I have quick question. Anyone familiar with Debian PKG - is there some sort of development lib available that would help dealing with pkg , something ala rpmlib.a on redhat ?? Thanks
At home on the 33 modem Slashdot is almost always slow... during peek hours almost unbearable. On T1 is much better but still not perfect, ( seems to be getting stuck on something quite often )
One think I hate about PHP is complete lack of unnified DB interface... They should come up with something like mini ODBC ( wrappers) for each of those connectSybase, connectOracle etc...
You are right. I too can't figure out what advantage this strategy would bring to MS. IIS is free, runs on NT and runs quite well. If one needs to set up public www server, availability of easily usable www server software would be probably one of the last problems he/she needs to worry about.
Hehehe.. ASP is an "ultra-optimised ISAPI". Really.. it is ISAPI dll that parses ASP sripts. But, yes you are right , in the end the whole process is rather slow.
I don't see anything wrong with the decision made by Slash people. They have worked hard, it is their creation. I , for one, hope that this move will solve bandwith problems so common when accesing slashdot.org
The fact that he wrote WM is not that importand. To tell the truth, it is not that hard to write one. I guess, what people really brag about is the unusuall style of E. I for one, wonder why does it take him so long to finish that thing ? I do work as a programmer and, hell, WM - even as lavish as E are not that complicated to implement. As long as one has nice graphics and ini file parsing library, it is a snap.
Things have changed after these Linux-NT test... I would never expect anyone on Slashdot to write " If raw speed is your monkey, then NT is the tool. "
Hehehe... Well, but we can't dispute that. Right know NT is faster.
My experience in regard to NT is very similar. For the last 3 years working with various NT installations I had about 10-15 crashes and just about all of them were traced to bad drivers or hardware problems. Simply put NT server is quite stable. As for Linux, I had seen kernel panic (actually reboot ) once or twice and it was hardware problem too. So I guess both systems are quite stable. Surprizingly, the biggest problems I had were related to MS GUI software (IE 4 etc.. now taking about NT workstation) What happens is that crash of certain MS software tends to make whole system unusable not because kernel itself went south but rather that many other user level services become unusable and essentially there is no other way to restore them other then reboot the machine. Theoretically it does not involve the kernel but practically the outcome it pretty much the same. To tell the truth Linux is not much better ( X is a joke as compared to Win GUI.) Assuming one does not have any access to Linux box other than X, when it locks up ( and X does it much more often than NT workstation..) there is no other choice but reboot. Linux is much more stable than Windows 95 but can't say the same when comparing Linux to NT. I always looked at linux at cheaper and sometimes more convinient way to implement certain services. It is a tool just like NT...
1. GUI - Assuming one is using fully supported card (say Voodoo 3)is BeOS GUI faster, more responsive than X on Linux ? 2. What are choices for someone who would like to develop for BeOS ? Free compilers ? Documentation ? Is this available off the net ?
You are right. The same logic should be applied to Windows port. After all, there is native, powerfull GUI API available there. Why reinvent the wheel ???
Not true. IIS is user level application. Badly written DLL will take IIS down but not the kernel. Like you said there is a problem with CGIs as these require spawning of new process but this problem is not NT specific. Apache has the same problem and that's why there are so many modules available. IIS uses threads ( actually dynamic pool of threads) just like any other Win32 app and has nothing to do with the kernel. Following your logic one would conclude that ASP scripts also run in kernel space ( ASP is interpreted by ISAPI DLL which in turn is part of IIS which you imply runs inside kernel space.) Check your facts.
ISAPI is simply DLL which is loaded dynamically by IIS ( like apache module.) It has nothing to do with kernel ! If ISAPI dll goes down it can take whole IIS down but it is also true for apache modules...
Hehehe, no it was not... Just like NT wasn't meant for crappy 486 systems ?? So how come people claim that Linux is soo much better OS cause it does better on that kind of systems...
GCC is _not_ superior to MSVC ! Well, it is when you need to write code for 10 platforms but from technical point of view gcc-generated code is much worse... Wake up dude. Eveybody uses GCC cause it is evailable for just about every platform out there and , well, there is nothing else available for Linux ( maybe KAI... is it better then GCC ? Anyone ? )
I just got home from 16 hours networked Warcraft with 2 other guys... I don't like StarCraft ( or any space based games ) but just can't get enough of Warcraft. It is the perfect game for me...
Heck, actually I found this to be quite funny. Of course, this is kind of story one would tell to his buddy and definately make sure it did not end up on the net
Slashdot Mirror
Not much will change unless somebody comes up with something better than X. Current solution simply won't cut it - specially when compared with Windows ... It is much slower than Windows on the same hardware - this will be enough for many people to conclude that Linux is inferior to MS offerings ( and to tell the truth it is - when it comes to desktop functionality it definately is)
Yeah, it is nice but don't you think it is quite idiotic that each of them comes with it's own help system, notepad, wordpad, bunch of _the same_ games and all kinds of other applets. I mean, it is simply waste of developers time. I can understand having to different desktops to choose from but what's the point of duplicating efforts creating all thoses little apps - instead of having dozen "advanced editors" I would rather have one that actually works. I know it is all free and practically nobody gets directly paid for doing all this stuff which makes harder for people to bitch about it but still, I they should do something about this nonsense. Maybe something will change ...
Hey .... I used to live in Poland and remember some older guy talking about how Russians would use their own soldiers to "deactivate" mine fields during WW2. They had something like penalty units that would be basically used to perform all kinds of suicidal missions. He also mentioned something how excellent German soldiers were, both in warfare and ,listen to that, their treatment of local population. It is kinda hard to belive when you read about Birkenau and other places. Obviously, the history books do not tell the whole truth.
I have quick question. Anyone familiar with Debian PKG - is there some sort of development lib available that would help dealing with pkg , something ala rpmlib.a on redhat ??
Thanks
Somebody got up fricking early and his first thought was that RedHat sucks ??
At home on the 33 modem Slashdot is almost always slow ... during peek hours almost unbearable. On T1 is much better but still not perfect, ( seems to be getting stuck on something quite often )
One think I hate about PHP is complete lack of unnified DB interface ... They should come up with something like mini ODBC ( wrappers) for each of those connectSybase, connectOracle etc...
You are right. I too can't figure out what advantage this strategy would bring to MS. IIS is free, runs on NT and runs quite well. If one needs to set up public www server, availability of easily usable www server software would be probably one of the last problems he/she needs to worry about.
Hehehe .. ASP is an "ultra-optimised ISAPI". Really .. it is ISAPI dll that parses ASP sripts.
But, yes you are right , in the end the whole process is rather slow.
I don't see anything wrong with the decision made by Slash people. They have worked hard, it is their creation. I , for one, hope that this move will solve bandwith problems so common when accesing slashdot.org
The fact that he wrote WM is not that importand. To tell the truth, it is not that hard to write one. I guess, what people really brag about is the unusuall style of E. I for one, wonder why does it take him so long to finish that thing ?
I do work as a programmer and, hell, WM - even as lavish as E are not that complicated to implement. As long as one has nice graphics and ini file parsing library, it is a snap.
Things have changed after these Linux-NT test ...
I would never expect anyone on Slashdot to write "
If raw speed is your monkey, then NT is the tool. "
Hehehe... Well, but we can't dispute that. Right know NT is faster.
My experience in regard to NT is very similar. For the last 3 years working with various NT installations I had about 10-15 crashes and just about all of them were traced to bad drivers or hardware problems. Simply put NT server is quite stable. As for Linux, I had seen kernel panic (actually reboot ) once or twice and it was hardware problem too. So I guess both systems are quite stable. ..) there is no other choice but reboot. Linux is much more stable than Windows 95 but can't say the same when comparing Linux to NT. ...
Surprizingly, the biggest problems I had were related to MS GUI software (IE 4 etc.. now taking about NT workstation) What happens is that crash of certain MS software tends to make whole system unusable not because kernel itself went south but rather that many other user level services become unusable and essentially there is no other way to restore them other then reboot the machine. Theoretically it does not involve the kernel but practically the outcome it pretty much the same. To tell the truth Linux is not much better ( X is a joke as compared to Win GUI.)
Assuming one does not have any access to Linux box other than X, when it locks up ( and X does it much more often than NT workstation
I always looked at linux at cheaper and sometimes more convinient way to implement certain services.
It is a tool just like NT
No it is not. Not for me.
1. GUI - Assuming one is using fully supported card (say Voodoo 3)is BeOS GUI faster, more responsive than X on Linux ?
2. What are choices for someone who would like to develop for BeOS ? Free compilers ?
Documentation ? Is this available off the net ?
Thank you
You are right. The same logic should be applied to Windows port. After all, there is native, powerfull GUI API available there. Why reinvent the wheel ???
Exactly ... all you need is to figure out system dir on windows and you are done ...
Not true. IIS is user level application. Badly written DLL will take IIS down but not the kernel.
Like you said there is a problem with CGIs as these require spawning of new process but this problem is not NT specific. Apache has the same problem and that's why there are so many modules available.
IIS uses threads ( actually dynamic pool of threads) just like any other Win32 app and has nothing to do with the kernel. Following your logic one would conclude that ASP scripts also run in kernel space ( ASP is interpreted by ISAPI DLL which in turn is part of IIS which you imply runs inside kernel space.)
Check your facts.
ISAPI ? Kernel ? What are you talking about ?
.) It has nothing to do with kernel ! If ISAPI dll goes down it can take whole IIS down but it is also true for apache modules...
...
ISAPI is simply DLL which is loaded dynamically by IIS ( like apache module
Your post i very confusing
Hehehe, no it was not ... Just like NT wasn't meant for crappy 486 systems ?? So how come people claim that Linux is soo much better OS cause it does better on that kind of systems...
GCC is _not_ superior to MSVC ! Well, it is when you need to write code for 10 platforms but from technical point of view gcc-generated code is much worse ... Wake up dude. Eveybody uses GCC cause it is evailable for just about every platform out there and , well, there is nothing else available for Linux ( maybe KAI ... is it better then GCC ? Anyone ? )
I just got home from 16 hours networked Warcraft with 2 other guys ... I don't like StarCraft ( or any space based games ) but just can't get enough of Warcraft. It is the perfect game for me ...
Heck, actually I found this to be quite funny. Of course, this is kind of story one would tell to his buddy and definately make sure it did not end up on the net
Yeah, you are _some_ product inspite of Catholic heritage. You got that one right !!!
Dude, everybody gonna die someday ...