I'm not going to support people who, as part of their personal lie, take action and make up lies that harm others. I don't care how fucking good his movie may, or may not, be.
Except a good mental health program include education to the public as a whole. So if signs of poor mental health begin to emerge, you can get the help you need.
"On the other hand, no amount of Restricting (guns, Media, Video Games, ETC) is going to stop the Nut from Killing." that is factual wrong, and underscore you ignorance about what causes this and mental issues.
Fear people would probably die i the scenario you gave verse using a firearm the can rapidly fire.
I would rather live i a society where the shocking incident is 22 kids stabbed with a couple of major injuries over one where 22 are killed.
Right there is a prime example of how restricted firearm ownership saves lives.
So not newspaper, book news show, bloggers is expressing themselves?
Wow, you are so full of shit. If I right my views and enough people want to read them that I make money, that does not mean they aren't my views or expression.
Saying something in the media does not necessarily equals the person speakings views, but it doesn't mean they aren't either. I happen to know that some people in the media say things they don't believe in order to get rating...but the people listening to them sure have those views.
They are seldom actually made up out of thin air. There are people who actually can calculate this. Rounding occurs becasue a.92% tax is harder to calculate. But the rounding is also taken into account when determining a percentage needed to support a policy.
and Lenin said: "The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews.... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism.... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races.... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers.... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations."
So not exactly a dictatorial enforcement of any atheistic view.
So, what do we know? 1) You don't know what Marxism is. 2) You don't know about the people who enforce Marxist views. You don't know that Communism and Marxism aren't the same thing.
People who try to grasp at straws to try and prove religion doesn't provoke massive violence don't know what they are talking about, and are deflecting from the main point: religious belief leads to death. Sometimes its a child that doesn't get medicine, sometimes it's the 'rightious' killing everyone in a city,but in every case it's blind belief in an unprovable power. Arguing "sure, millions of people are killed in the name of some religion or other, but those people over there also kill". As if that somehow excuse you pathetic attempt to prop up an archaic, useless, myth.
Will there still be people killing after religion finally goes away? That doesn't excuse away the killing that have happened. That still happen every. Single. day.
And it will be fewer killings, since people who actually use their brain prefer other options to killing whenever reasonable; which is almost all the time.
"There's been actual studies on this, and while religions have been violent, none of them had ideologies that explicitly called for the extinction of sizable chunks of the population." factual wrong.
“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB) "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
I love this onme. One guy speak against us? kill everyone. Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
I'm sorry, you were saying?
"Well, I think we'd all love if Hitler's body count were a fraction of the hundred of thousands concretely attributable to the Church. " millions, actually.
5 million alone during the first few crusades. Plus about anther million innocents - aka Non warriors.
The there are the 4 major inquisition, plus a few other wars when the protestants broke away. Plus direct manipulation of government to attack countries who didn't support the Church.
You should probably study up before opening you pie hole.
"Governments have murdered far more people than religion has" no. but do you see what you are saying? at all?
"The governments of the world have murdered far more children than citizens ever have." are you really that stupid? DO you thing 'Governments' are some sort of outside aliens? Governments are a structure on paper, filled with people. And Church is a form of government, BTW. 100s, if not thousands, of people are killed every day somewhere in the world becasue of religion. This is is going on, right now, along the 10th parallel.
Religion is why 100 s of thousands of people have been killed i Iraq. Religion rots the mind, stops critical thinking, and makes people feel the ends justify the means. Since there represent absolute power(their god) then what ever they do is fine. It is the ultimate argument from authority fallacy. One where the authority is made up.
religion: "Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values."
All the people you listed were behaving religiously.
You are falling for the fallacy that if someone will commit one type of crime, they will commit any crime you can think of. That's not true, so stop using it as a strawman.
" I'm skeptical about gun control," thus ignoring the fact that every country the enforces strict gun control sees a decrease in homicides. The same applies to pretty much every city in the US. I say pretty much becasue there might be some podunk city where that didn't happen,l but I can't find one.
" The government passing laws that disproportionately impact specific speech content is a pretty clear no-no " what? there are all kind of restrictions based in specific speech. Movie rating spring to mind.
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When will you be sure?
You should tell that to the crew of the Apollo 1.
Boeing isn't too big to fail.
the US doesn't have a democracy. It is a republic.
'The republic for which it stands' might sound familiar to you.
You should probably re-read that, and try to guess the fallacy.
I'm not going to support people who, as part of their personal lie, take action and make up lies that harm others. I don't care how fucking good his movie may, or may not, be.
no. in the case 20+ kids are the victims of someone else's ignorance.
Ignorance is not a victimless crime.
Except a good mental health program include education to the public as a whole. So if signs of poor mental health begin to emerge, you can get the help you need.
"On the other hand, no amount of Restricting (guns, Media, Video Games, ETC) is going to stop the Nut from Killing."
that is factual wrong, and underscore you ignorance about what causes this and mental issues.
Fear people would probably die i the scenario you gave verse using a firearm the can rapidly fire.
I would rather live i a society where the shocking incident is 22 kids stabbed with a couple of major injuries over one where 22 are killed.
Right there is a prime example of how restricted firearm ownership saves lives.
Sometimes they do.
Stop trying to live in a black and white world.
So not newspaper, book news show, bloggers is expressing themselves?
Wow, you are so full of shit.
If I right my views and enough people want to read them that I make money, that does not mean they aren't my views or expression.
Saying something in the media does not necessarily equals the person speakings views, but it doesn't mean they aren't either. I happen to know that some people in the media say things they don't believe in order to get rating...but the people listening to them sure have those views.
They are seldom actually made up out of thin air. There are people who actually can calculate this. .92% tax is harder to calculate. But the rounding is also taken into account when determining a percentage needed to support a policy.
Rounding occurs becasue a
I sit 30 feet fro people who do that very thing.
You really don't know what Marxism is, do you?
and Lenin said: ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations."
"The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews.
So not exactly a dictatorial enforcement of any atheistic view.
So, what do we know?
1) You don't know what Marxism is.
2) You don't know about the people who enforce Marxist views.
You don't know that Communism and Marxism aren't the same thing.
People who try to grasp at straws to try and prove religion doesn't provoke massive violence don't know what they are talking about, and are deflecting from the main point:
religious belief leads to death. Sometimes its a child that doesn't get medicine, sometimes it's the 'rightious' killing everyone in a city,but in every case it's blind belief in an unprovable power.
Arguing "sure, millions of people are killed in the name of some religion or other, but those people over there also kill". As if that somehow excuse you pathetic attempt to prop up an archaic, useless, myth.
Will there still be people killing after religion finally goes away? That doesn't excuse away the killing that have happened. That still happen every. Single. day.
And it will be fewer killings, since people who actually use their brain prefer other options to killing whenever reasonable; which is almost all the time.
"There's been actual studies on this, and while religions have been violent, none of them had ideologies that explicitly called for the extinction of sizable chunks of the population."
factual wrong.
“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
I love this onme. One guy speak against us? kill everyone.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
I'm sorry, you were saying?
"Well, I think we'd all love if Hitler's body count were a fraction of the hundred of thousands concretely attributable to the Church. "
millions, actually.
5 million alone during the first few crusades. Plus about anther million innocents - aka Non warriors.
The there are the 4 major inquisition, plus a few other wars when the protestants broke away.
Plus direct manipulation of government to attack countries who didn't support the Church.
You should probably study up before opening you pie hole.
"Governments have murdered far more people than religion has"
no. but do you see what you are saying? at all?
"The governments of the world have murdered far more children than citizens ever have."
are you really that stupid? DO you thing 'Governments' are some sort of outside aliens?
Governments are a structure on paper, filled with people.
And Church is a form of government, BTW.
100s, if not thousands, of people are killed every day somewhere in the world becasue of religion.
This is is going on, right now, along the 10th parallel.
Religion is why 100 s of thousands of people have been killed i Iraq.
Religion rots the mind, stops critical thinking, and makes people feel the ends justify the means. Since there represent absolute power(their god) then what ever they do is fine. It is the ultimate argument from authority fallacy. One where the authority is made up.
religion:
"Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values."
All the people you listed were behaving religiously.
You are falling for the fallacy that if someone will commit one type of crime, they will commit any crime you can think of. That's not true, so stop using it as a strawman.
" I'm skeptical about gun control,"
thus ignoring the fact that every country the enforces strict gun control sees a decrease in homicides.
The same applies to pretty much every city in the US. I say pretty much becasue there might be some podunk city where that didn't happen,l but I can't find one.
Yes, they way to solve the problem is force everyone to become killers~
Yes. Tax Churches like business, and remove tax deduction for donations. any donation.
Time to stop government support of churches.
" The government passing laws that disproportionately impact specific speech content is a pretty clear no-no "
what? there are all kind of restrictions based in specific speech. Movie rating spring to mind.
Health care and law enforcement, Did you not even read the summary?
but it should be 1% on all taxable sales. Seriously, a good health structure benefits everyone.
failure if IPV6 = We don't want to spend money helping our customer.
traveling at the speed of light, only the view would be a smaller dot.
Landfill is a management issue, not a volume issue.
We could dig a hole a mile to a side, put all are garbage into it and it would be half full in about 700 years at our current rate of growth.
frankly I would have separate holes, for different material so we will have easy access when we figure out how to effectively recycle them.
removal of the federal ban would cause a steep price drop and major manufactures came on line.
".. less efficient than smoking."
tabs are pretty damn efficient.