I'm not a fan of where they're going but I fail to see all these problems or how they are broken promises. You're sounding more than a little butthurt by all this and taking it far too personally.
I've been setting static IPs in network manager since well forever and never had a problem. Were these edgecase bridging and Wifi requirements of yours something they promised to implement?
My Thinkpad with an SSD boots in well under 10s. The BIOS takes longer than Linux, and the full shutdown/bios/boot cycle is under 15s. The desktops at work probably take a bit longer than 10s (they are relatively low specced these days). But boot times are a lot better than they used to be.
All those machines do graphics only booting just fine. Maybe its because they use open source drivers and none of them use nvidia cards. Being that proprietary nvidia drivers don't do KMS the standard way like the open source drivers do, and Linux distros have no ability to contribute to those drivers, maybe you're complaining about the wrong party.
And since when is spouting off about a far fetched goal of having a certain number of users by a certain date "a promise"? BTW I had to google it - it was actually by 2015. And I don't think anyone else except yourself and Mark ever would've taken that statement seriously.
Just take a deep breath... and remember that goals and announced initiatives or stuff mentioned on developer mailing lists aren't really promises... and then you won't feel so hurt when they take longer than you wanted, only get part way there or don't all come true.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about where Ubuntu is going and how sucky their plans are, your points about completion don't really stack up.
Wayland, Pulseaudio, Network Manager etc aren't Ubuntu/Canonical projects. The projects you mention are more like Redhat projects than Ubuntu ones, and they generally had very limited influence over them.
The projects that Ubuntu did start and does run (eg Unity and Upstart etc) are the ones that they seem to have committed to for the long haul.
"The thing is that Defending Canada is not that high of a priority of the Canadian military. "
Isn't that any military's highest priority?
Not these days - in the developed world at least defending against invasion is well down the list.
The highest priorities for big countries are enforcing/maintaining your countries interests overseas. And for small countries it's having/doing enough to snuggle up under to the big countries and keep them happy - which is kinda the same as maintaining your interests overseas anyway.
And internally it would probably be disaster relief and search and rescue etc. Which is also a handy goodwill earner when done to help out someone else.
You must be kidding. These days Ubuntu gets more irrational hate on slashdot than Microsoft does. According to slashdot Mark Shuttleworth is killing kittens, kicking dogs, insulting disabled veterans, sniffing peoples underwear, and channeling Steve Jobs ghost.
If I hadn't followed your link, I would've thought that was something the Pepsi marketing dept did to products to make the Mountain Dew drinking frat boy crowd buy it.
With the stock Android browser it is impossible to scroll the list of stories on the front page without clicking/loading something.
With Chrome 18 (from the Play Store), scrolling the front page is incredibly sluggish and laggy/sticky and often it doesn't even register the swipe at all.
But it works pretty well on Firefox 18 though. Nice and fast, no misclicks etc.
The mis-scrolling and mis-clicking is the most frustrating aspect of the UI.
I hate to add another "Me too", but...
That one braindead UI 'feature' makes it totally unusable on my phone. I can't scroll down a list of stories or comments without having either the start or the end of the swipe counting as a click.
I'm seeing all of this hate, but you know what, I just don't get it. Software of any complexity has bugs. Microsoft used to be the champion of security exploits. Now it's Java. And lest anyone forget, there are myriads of PHP / Ruby / Python security bugs that allow systems to be exploited. I'm not even sure that there's a secure Ruby on Rails platform at this point, for example
I kinda disagree. There aren't "myriads" of PHP (well not so much any more) / Ruby / Python security bugs in the core language implementations allowing systems to be exploited.
The common problems in PHP and Ruby these days are in things written IN those languages rather than the languages themselves. And in the Ruby world it is really only Rails that is having regular problems. Rails is a bit "special" like that. And generally the Python world seems relatively safe overall.
This is very different to Oracle/Suns Java implementation where the core language/platform itself is the source of a lot of nasty problems. And like those other languages you still need to look out for the apps as well. Not a good look for a platform built around a security sandbox.
Java doesn't get to outdo Flash or PDFs as the number one malware vector for nothing.
MS is now feeling threatened by the way other large companies (eg Apple, Google etc) are now 'cooler' and can now influence the software development ecosystem via their mobile platforms.
Open Source no longer really seems as much of a threat to them, and there's no point fighting it any more. And with Apple and Google increasingly becoming less open and losing some respect with the open source community, MS probably feels that they need all the help they can get to help keep them relevant or influential outside enterprise IT.
oh yes, Microsoft Source Safe can scale upwards to a planet-wide kernel development effort. If I remember from my employer who used it, it only started showing problems at over twelve users......bwhahahahaha!
12 users? That's doing pretty well. Lots of people ran into trouble with way less than that.
VSS must've been one of the worst MS products in history. It was the kind of crap you'd expect Computer Associates to ship.
A link to a discussion on another site that was itself a link to a discussion on another site.
I know it's easy stories, but really? Are the slashdot trolls really going to offer any unique and useful insights that Ars and Stack Overflow haven't already covered?
Houses are engineered structures. We have building codes which demand so many studs per so many feet because the math (or experimental home building, often experimenting with the buyer's money) has been done to figure out that only a vanishingly small percentage of homes will experience a lumber-related failure if you use at least this much lumber, even though modern lumber is crap in every way except for being milled smooth. But choosing the wrong operator in the wrong function can result in your program producing invalid output every time you run it. If you eliminated almost any one 2x4 from the design of a decently-designed house, just forgot to install it entirely, it would not substantially affect the function of the house whatsoever. Only a few around doorjambs and such would really be missed. (Or, of course, the top or bottom of any frame...)
Based on experience in my jurisdiction (disclaimer: probably not your jurisdiction or the same codes), a one size fits all building code for houses that overspecifies everything to accommodate as many potential cockups as possible is practically the opposite of an engineered structure. The code is designed to allow a builder to build a house without needing engineering calculations for everything.
Sure there was engineering input into the code, but the only engineering input into individual houses is when they (or specific parts of them) fall outside the general code. eg some sort of wacky bespoke architecture, unusual wind zones, weak ground conditions, large spans, high retaining walls etc. In these cases the specific engineering codes take over that require calculations based on the specific circumstances.
The mangled structural engineering comparison with creating software is almost as much a slashdot tradition as the tortured car analogy.
Some countries still use 111 (eg New Zealand). It was the fastest 3 digit number to dial on an NZ rotary phone. That's also why the UK had 999 - their rotary phones had the numbers in reverse order.
Of course NZ also recognises 911 - there were too many morons learning their important life skills from American TV shows.
Have you looked at Ubuntu Server Edition lately? They have an LTS version that's supported for 5 years of security updates without updating to a new distro release. Debian doesn't come close.
That known 5 year term and fixed release dates is the advantage Ubuntu Server LTS has over Debian Stable.
The advantage of Debian Stable has over Ubuntu LTS is that Ubuntu only officially supports packages installed from the main repository. Packages from universe may or may not get patched. Debian security updates cover all repositories.
You have no clue, when doing X over ssh, the X11 server AND window manager run on your local computer not the remote host. This mean you can run a graphical app on your server, such as a graphical frontend or a file manager, without Xorg or a window manager installed on the server.
Thank you. I ended up scrolling through dozens upon dozens of comments before finding one that knew that.
I was beginning to think nobody would figure it out at all. News for Nerds? Sheesh
It seems to me that its main intended use would be in helping to pin down snipers (which are a major problem in urban areas) and cover other rebels as they advance on the snipers position.
I realize it's only speculation, but that's all we get with Google products. One minute it's a product, the next it's EOL. Or perhaps App Engine stays but the Python support gets phased out in favor of Java.
AppEngine originally seemed like Java was the first class language and Python was the second class one, then that switched around with Python getting more love and the Java support stagnating. Now they both seem neglected in favour of Go. It wouldn't surprise me if AppEngine becomes Go only at some stage.
Combined with Dart to replace Javascript, it really seemd Google is developing a major case of 'not invented here' and determined to be less and less open. Google Code is now a wasteland making Sourceforge look vibrant.
'Open' is just a stepping stone to dominance for Google, and can be dropped once something gets a little success.
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I'm not a fan of where they're going but I fail to see all these problems or how they are broken promises. You're sounding more than a little butthurt by all this and taking it far too personally.
I've been setting static IPs in network manager since well forever and never had a problem. Were these edgecase bridging and Wifi requirements of yours something they promised to implement?
My Thinkpad with an SSD boots in well under 10s. The BIOS takes longer than Linux, and the full shutdown/bios/boot cycle is under 15s. The desktops at work probably take a bit longer than 10s (they are relatively low specced these days). But boot times are a lot better than they used to be.
All those machines do graphics only booting just fine. Maybe its because they use open source drivers and none of them use nvidia cards. Being that proprietary nvidia drivers don't do KMS the standard way like the open source drivers do, and Linux distros have no ability to contribute to those drivers, maybe you're complaining about the wrong party.
And since when is spouting off about a far fetched goal of having a certain number of users by a certain date "a promise"? BTW I had to google it - it was actually by 2015. And I don't think anyone else except yourself and Mark ever would've taken that statement seriously.
Just take a deep breath... and remember that goals and announced initiatives or stuff mentioned on developer mailing lists aren't really promises... and then you won't feel so hurt when they take longer than you wanted, only get part way there or don't all come true.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about where Ubuntu is going and how sucky their plans are, your points about completion don't really stack up.
Wayland, Pulseaudio, Network Manager etc aren't Ubuntu/Canonical projects. The projects you mention are more like Redhat projects than Ubuntu ones, and they generally had very limited influence over them.
The projects that Ubuntu did start and does run (eg Unity and Upstart etc) are the ones that they seem to have committed to for the long haul.
Not these days - in the developed world at least defending against invasion is well down the list.
The highest priorities for big countries are enforcing/maintaining your countries interests overseas. And for small countries it's having/doing enough to snuggle up under to the big countries and keep them happy - which is kinda the same as maintaining your interests overseas anyway.
And internally it would probably be disaster relief and search and rescue etc. Which is also a handy goodwill earner when done to help out someone else.
You must be kidding. These days Ubuntu gets more irrational hate on slashdot than Microsoft does. According to slashdot Mark Shuttleworth is killing kittens, kicking dogs, insulting disabled veterans, sniffing peoples underwear, and channeling Steve Jobs ghost.
Where the hell do you live? Soweto? Nuevo Laredo? Aleppo? Kabul?
Bromination?
If I hadn't followed your link, I would've thought that was something the Pepsi marketing dept did to products to make the Mountain Dew drinking frat boy crowd buy it.
I'm using Android 4.1.1 on a Galaxy S3.
With the stock Android browser it is impossible to scroll the list of stories on the front page without clicking/loading something.
With Chrome 18 (from the Play Store), scrolling the front page is incredibly sluggish and laggy/sticky and often it doesn't even register the swipe at all.
But it works pretty well on Firefox 18 though. Nice and fast, no misclicks etc.
Hmmm... I think I've spotted the problem.
That bug might only be present on Android then. I have the same problem as the GP and it makes the mobile site practically unusable.
I'm using the Android browser on 4.1 JellyBean (Galaxy S3 - not exactly an obscure or underpowered device).
Whereas Ars Technica use responsive design instead of a separate site and its almost a joy to read on a phone.
I hate to add another "Me too", but...
That one braindead UI 'feature' makes it totally unusable on my phone. I can't scroll down a list of stories or comments without having either the start or the end of the swipe counting as a click.
I kinda disagree. There aren't "myriads" of PHP (well not so much any more) / Ruby / Python security bugs in the core language implementations allowing systems to be exploited.
The common problems in PHP and Ruby these days are in things written IN those languages rather than the languages themselves. And in the Ruby world it is really only Rails that is having regular problems. Rails is a bit "special" like that. And generally the Python world seems relatively safe overall.
This is very different to Oracle/Suns Java implementation where the core language/platform itself is the source of a lot of nasty problems. And like those other languages you still need to look out for the apps as well. Not a good look for a platform built around a security sandbox.
Java doesn't get to outdo Flash or PDFs as the number one malware vector for nothing.
MS is now feeling threatened by the way other large companies (eg Apple, Google etc) are now 'cooler' and can now influence the software development ecosystem via their mobile platforms.
Open Source no longer really seems as much of a threat to them, and there's no point fighting it any more. And with Apple and Google increasingly becoming less open and losing some respect with the open source community, MS probably feels that they need all the help they can get to help keep them relevant or influential outside enterprise IT.
12 users? That's doing pretty well. Lots of people ran into trouble with way less than that.
VSS must've been one of the worst MS products in history. It was the kind of crap you'd expect Computer Associates to ship.
A link to a discussion on another site that was itself a link to a discussion on another site.
I know it's easy stories, but really? Are the slashdot trolls really going to offer any unique and useful insights that Ars and Stack Overflow haven't already covered?
That sounds like a euphemism for switching to anal sex during menstruation...
That's an odd post. You seem to have all kinds of in depth knowledge about UEFI boot processes, how Linux screws it up, and how to patch it etc.
But then you don't seem to know some really mundane easy stuff like: Flash actually works just fine* on a 64bit Linux system.
* By that I mean as well as it does on a 32bit Linux system at least.
Based on experience in my jurisdiction (disclaimer: probably not your jurisdiction or the same codes), a one size fits all building code for houses that overspecifies everything to accommodate as many potential cockups as possible is practically the opposite of an engineered structure. The code is designed to allow a builder to build a house without needing engineering calculations for everything.
Sure there was engineering input into the code, but the only engineering input into individual houses is when they (or specific parts of them) fall outside the general code. eg some sort of wacky bespoke architecture, unusual wind zones, weak ground conditions, large spans, high retaining walls etc. In these cases the specific engineering codes take over that require calculations based on the specific circumstances.
The mangled structural engineering comparison with creating software is almost as much a slashdot tradition as the tortured car analogy.
Hmmm... that could end up being a good thing eventually.
Well Celsius is easier than Fahrenheit to convert to Kelvin.
Some countries still use 111 (eg New Zealand). It was the fastest 3 digit number to dial on an NZ rotary phone. That's also why the UK had 999 - their rotary phones had the numbers in reverse order.
Of course NZ also recognises 911 - there were too many morons learning their important life skills from American TV shows.
That known 5 year term and fixed release dates is the advantage Ubuntu Server LTS has over Debian Stable.
The advantage of Debian Stable has over Ubuntu LTS is that Ubuntu only officially supports packages installed from the main repository. Packages from universe may or may not get patched. Debian security updates cover all repositories.
Pick your poison.
Thank you. I ended up scrolling through dozens upon dozens of comments before finding one that knew that.
I was beginning to think nobody would figure it out at all. News for Nerds? Sheesh
It seems to me that its main intended use would be in helping to pin down snipers (which are a major problem in urban areas) and cover other rebels as they advance on the snipers position.
ASCII? You have no idea what you're talking about - Mutt can handle unicode just fine!
AppEngine originally seemed like Java was the first class language and Python was the second class one, then that switched around with Python getting more love and the Java support stagnating. Now they both seem neglected in favour of Go. It wouldn't surprise me if AppEngine becomes Go only at some stage.
Combined with Dart to replace Javascript, it really seemd Google is developing a major case of 'not invented here' and determined to be less and less open. Google Code is now a wasteland making Sourceforge look vibrant.
'Open' is just a stepping stone to dominance for Google, and can be dropped once something gets a little success.