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New submitter sc30317 writes "My house got robbed on Friday, and all of our electronics got stolen. Everything. Now, I have to go out and buy all new electronics with the insurance money. We had five TVs (don't ask), three laptops, a Bose Sound dock with iPod, a digital camera, and a desktop stolen. It's looking like I am going to get around $10K from the insurance company to replace everything. What would you do if you had to replace ALL of your technology in your house at once? I'm thinking: replace TVs; nice Desktop; new speakers; and new, cool stuff I don't know about (suggestions welcome). I already added a DVR security system, so hopefully the new things won't get burgled! Looking for suggestions to utilize my money in order to get the best stuff. Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house."

770 comments

  1. First purchase by PPH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buy a mean dog.

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    1. Re:First purchase by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is slashdot. Recommend buying a Boston Dynamics Big Dog.

    2. Re:First purchase by silas_moeckel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Na get a nice lovable dog.and protection training an aggressive dog is useless / dangerous. That said a nice female defending her home will ripe the face off anybody not supposed to be there.while your newborn can grab yank and otherwise harass her and she will just look at you for help.

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    3. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the guns and ammo.

    4. Re:First purchase by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, motion activated mini-gun.

    5. Re:First purchase by Niris · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This.

      I had a female huskey while living in an apartment growing up, and we could be rough with that dog to our hearts content and she'd either love to play, or would just get annoyed and run off. One day someone jumped the fence and broke the glass door into the apartment, and all we saw when we got home (other than the glass) was a nice bit of blood and a trail going back towards the fence.

    6. Re:First purchase by macbeth66 · · Score: 2

      True dat!

      A female lab or shepard of breeding age. A bitch that can be a real bitch!

    7. Re:First purchase by linear+a · · Score: 1

      Barking dog is good. Don't need mean.

    8. Re:First purchase by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      i agree a dog is a good purchase because if they are stealing you electronics you dvr security camera recording equipment is more than fair game for,it would fetch a good price at the nearest shady pawn broker and will remove incriminating evidence from the crime scene. If you are comfortable with owning and using guns on intruders i would add shotgun and bird shot shells so that it will be stopped by the wall but still mess up the thief. If you need more security a hand gun possibly and a concealed carry permit if available in your location. If you are uncomfortable with guns don't plan on confronting the thieves when they brake in again while you are at home, as they may well have guns and a baseball bat vs thief with firearm will not turn out well.

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    9. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ++ if you train the dog to use it.

    10. Re:First purchase by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2
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    11. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking more like Aibo.

    12. Re:First purchase by Vicarius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Barking dog is good. Don't need mean.

      My friend's house was broken in twice. Their barking dog didn't help at all. First time she was thrown out of the window and was found wandering outside later, and the second time she was locked up in a closet.

    13. Re:First purchase by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A dog will let the members of his pack do a lot to him. Some stranger shows up on the scene, and watch out.

      We had a little dog (terrier poodle cross), friendliest and silliest little dog you could imagine, and one day we had a building inspector come over to the place we were renovating for a surprise inspection. Our little dog picked up on our stress, and stood between us and the inspector bearing his teeth. He knew this was an unwanted stranger, and despite his small size, his instincts to protect the pack from danger kicked in.

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    14. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess? Rat-dog? They usually have yippy little barks too. Good luck trying that trick with an adult lab, shepherd, schnauzer, husky, mastiff, or some of the other medium or large breeds.

    15. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toothbrush(es).
      Learn about burglar alarms.
      Buy a burglar alarm.
      Don't leave boxes/packaging outside or near your residence.
      Ask the police/local council to inspect your residence to see how secure it is.
      If there were keys for your residence there during the burglary, replace the locks.

    16. Re:First purchase by Megahard · · Score: 1

      Better yet, get Dog.

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    17. Re:First purchase by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A large dog with a protective streak (like a Great Pyrenees!) make amazing guard dogs. When they "stand" (e.g., put their front paws up on something)... well, ours gets close to 6' tall when he's upright. 30" at his hind quarters right now, and he's about 8 months old... over 90lbs probably. He is not a nice looking dog when he thinks you are a threat and barks to tell you so. On the other hand... he's remarkably gentle, especially with kids (livestock guardian dog by breed - we do live on an acre and will have some livestock), loving (if rather independent and sometimes resents being told or forced to do something), and is more or less like a giant teddy bear that gets really upset when something is on his property that isn't supposed to be. Really upset... though, in general, they try to bark/scare off, not attack.

    18. Re:First purchase by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you happen to be home when the criminal breaks in, you don't want to "mess up" the thief.. you want him taking a permanent dirtnap... If you just "mess him up", one of several things will happen.. One: when he gets out of the hospital, he will come back VERY angry and likely bring friends/guns along with him.. Not good.. Two: While he's in the hospital, an ambulance chaser pays him a visit and puts dollar-signs in the crooks eyes.. Ergo, you, the homeowner find yourself a victim of the current "justice" system. Double-plus-NOT-good.. Sure, if you kill him, any family he has can try to get you into the "justice" system on a manslaugther charge, but *most* civilized states (Texas, I'm looking at you..) have laws based on the "Castle" doctrine and that lawsuit won't go anywhere.. Of course, if you happen to live in one of the bat-s**t insane liberal states (California? now I'm looking at YOU..), you probably better not kill him or even have a home-defense firearm or you're in deep kimchi....

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    19. Re:First purchase by FrankSchwab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A gun isn't necessarily the best approach for home protection for someone who isn't comfortable with the moral and legal ramifications of the decision to actually use it.

      A can of Bear Spray (a spray-paint sized can of strong pepper spray) will disable just about anyone short of a meth-crazed psycho (and almost all burglars simply aren't meth-crazed psychos). For someone who might hesitate using a gun, or keeps the gun safely locked up (and hence unavailable) at home, this is probably the superior solution - there's generally no need to hesitate on it's use, you can leave it unlocked, and if you are faced with a meth-crazed psycho you're probably not going to get your gun unlocked, loaded, and fire an effective shot in time anyway. If your kids get their hands on it, the worst thing that'll happen is a very unpleasant experience; no ones gonna blow anyones head off.

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    20. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can throw the dog out the window, well then it isn't big enough.

      Try throwing a barking German Shepard out a window...

    21. Re:First purchase by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      I like how you defined civilized as taking the same actions as a barbarian. That is quite telling about you.

    22. Re:First purchase by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Get a nice AR-15 and some high capacity mags before they're banned.

      Of, if you can't find one (they are all currently sold out), in the meantime, you could just get a nice shotgun as Joe Biden recommended recently.

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    23. Re:First purchase by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      As in A.I. Burglar Obliterator?

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    24. Re:First purchase by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, if you kill him, any family he has can try to get you into the "justice" system on a manslaugther charge, but *most* civilized states (Texas, I'm looking at you..) have laws based on the "Castle" doctrine and that lawsuit won't go anywhere..

      Hell, here in New Orleans, if you shoot the bastard and he somehow makes it out of your house to die in the front yard, the cops here are usually nice enough to help you drag the body back indoors before they take the pics, etc....to help keep things 'neater'.

      :)

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    25. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of a civilization is making sure that people are secured in their homes. If someone breaks that implied contract by breaking into your home, they deserve to be on the business end of a shotgun. THEY made the choice to break the "civilized" status, not the guy defending his family and property.

    26. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na get a nice lovable dog.and protection training an aggressive dog is useless / dangerous. That said a nice female defending her home will ripe the face off anybody not supposed to be there.while your newborn can grab yank and otherwise harass her and she will just look at you for help.

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              He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
              But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
              For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    27. Re:First purchase by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      When you're an adult in a fight, you fight to kill and let fly with everything you have.

      This might be it.

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    28. Re:First purchase by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 0, Insightful

      If he had that, some piece of shit criminal would now be running around with his ar-15 illegally.

    29. Re:First purchase by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually that would be how kids fight. Adults generally limit themselves. Probably because of the whole civilized and laws thing.

    30. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is one not justified attacking someone who has invaded their household? What is the alternative? Asking the intruder nicely to leave? Some people only respect violence so violence is the only way to deal with them. Yes, the intruder could be a non-violent thief who will flee at the first sign of trouble but they could also be a murder or rapist. Why take the risk of them being one of the latter? Why give them the opportunity of overpowering you? The problem today is that for some odd reason wounded invaders can sue the victims for harming them. Legally, you are better off killing the intruder than simply disabling them from committing continued transgressions.

    31. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're an adult in a fight, you fight to kill and let fly with everything you have.

      Superb advice if you love prison food and lodging. It'll get you there fast and help you survive once you're there!

      If you fight to kill you either need to avoid detection and capture or have multiple witnesses willing to testify that you had a reasonable fear for your life. Fighting to escape or incapacitate might be wiser in most brawls.

      Of course if you're a rich banker, politician or telco executive you can ignore all my advice. Laws are no longer applicable to America's ubermenschen, they're just for poor people.

    32. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did he advocate breaking into soemones house and stealing things?

    33. Re:First purchase by wed128 · · Score: 2

      It helps if the barking dog is >80 lbs. A lapdog doesn't count.

    34. Re:First purchase by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1, Troll

      I hope that last part was sarcastic. Do NOT take Joe Biden's advice. He advises shooting into the air to scare away burlars. In many states warning shots are a felony. Right there you've got all you need to know to not listen to him.

      The other big dumbass moment of his is that he recommends a double barreled shotgun over the AR-15s he wants to take away from us. That means you'd get 2 shots. Hope you don't miss or your ass is dead. And if there's more than 1 intruder? Good luck with that.

    35. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, what if they steal your lovely new CCTV recorder?

    36. Re:First purchase by shentino · · Score: 1

      ripe

      That's brilliant. After that all you have to do is look for whoever has a plump red face.

    37. Re:First purchase by wed128 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're never going to talk a hardened criminal or a desperate junkie out of hurting you to get whatever they want. At some point, it's you or them.

      Civilized people must be prepared to abandon their civility when the time comes.

    38. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my great grandma's someone poisoned their dog to steal the gas bottle outside the house.

    39. Re:First purchase by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      "bird shot shells"

      Do NOT use bird shot. It leaves a horrible looking superficial wound that doesn't penetrate or do much real damage. Buckshot is for home defense. Bird shot is if you want a Hollywood-style looking mess on the bad guy, without stopping him.

    40. Re:First purchase by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Barbarian? That is quite telling. You can't tell the difference between a person defending his home, and the barbarian who broke into his home. No wonder our "justice system" is so messed up.

      Shoot the thief dead, dead, dead, and hope that he hasn't bred yet!

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    41. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can throw the dog out the window, well then it isn't big enough.

      Maybe the dog was plenty big. Instead, they should not have moved next door to Bruce Banner, or at least not upset him by let their dog crap on his lawn.

    42. Re:First purchase by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2

      A "scary sounding" dog will do. Some nice size family friendly dog will have a scary bark. That's enough to make most burglars move on. If they are proficient enough to plan for dogs, then they are probably going to plan to break windows, pry doors, etc... Not casual burglars looking for a quick score.

    43. Re:First purchase by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2

      The most important thing is that they make noise so YOU can so something... Turn on lights, call police...

      You don't want an aggressive dog because then the burglar/robber gets REAL CROOKS involved... Lawyers!

    44. Re:First purchase by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You pipe over a loudspeaker
      "there is going to be a test. You probably won't pass."

      In GLaDOS voice!!

    45. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Civilization and "civilized" is not some binary status that is involves forfeiture of one's life for doing anything wrong. There are degrees of wrongness, and for most people, property damage is not the same amount of wrong as bodily harm. Valuing a few thousand dollars of entertainment products over someone's life, regardless of which one made choices leading up to that situation, seems more contrasted at civilized life than someone who at worst just wants more stuff, or at best is trying to survive because they ran out of options or are not very bright.

    46. Re:First purchase by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      At that point these are ROBBERS not Burglars and when they surprise somebody at home BAD THINGS happen. In that case you're better off not being there because they have more experience hurting people than you do... You WON'T get a second chance even if you were armed.

    47. Re:First purchase by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      No need, just put out a sign saying "Beware of Leopard".

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    48. Re:First purchase by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      1, what does it mean to "ripe" someone's face off?

      2, every lovable dog I've known would love an intruder as well, or just hide.

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    49. Re:First purchase by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "That means you'd get 2 shots. Hope you don't miss or your ass is dead."

      This isn't nearly as stupid advice as you'd think. Any competent person only needs 1 shot with a 20 gauge shotgun loaded with the appropriate ammo, especially inside a house or other structure. On top of that, a wound from a single shot of a weapon like that is far worse than a couple of rounds from an AR-15. I shoot you in the hip twice with an AR-15, you're in a lot of pain and probably down for the count. I shoot you once with a 20 gauge at less than 10 yards in the hip, you're going to need reconstructive surgery assuming you don't bleed to death on the spot. Plus, I guess you've never fired a shotgun indoors. They are LOUD. Like bowel-voidingly loud. If there are multiple burglars I really don't think they'll be sticking around to see how many rounds you've got after the first shot deafens everyone and puts one of their number on the floor with a fist sized hole in them.

    50. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was there blood on the dog's mouth? Perhaps the intruder just cut himself on the glass

      (and why the hell do I really care about this?)

    51. Re:First purchase by SimplyGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People miss under the stress of a life or death situation. The LAPD fired 120 rounds into that truck recently and missed all of them. Remember the Empire State building? They fired plenty of rounds and all they hit were bystanders. Same goes for most police shootings. People miss when shooting under stress. Why would you bet your life on not making a common mistake? It's negligent.

    52. Re:First purchase by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Put out a sign saying "Already burgled" and don't bother buying any replacement items.

    53. Re:First purchase by silas_moeckel · · Score: 0

      rip and I said protection trained not generic lovable dog.

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    54. Re:First purchase by jkflying · · Score: 1

      "Beware of snake"

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    55. Re:First purchase by ajlitt · · Score: 4, Funny

      or insist that your burbclave invest in a Rat Thing.

    56. Re:First purchase by silas_moeckel · · Score: 0

      If you facing a meth crazed psycho you need a shotgun with the correct ammo they do not stop until they bleed out or major parts of there nervous system have been removed. Correct ammo being hallow point slugs good for removing large chunks of body mass.

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    57. Re:First purchase by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 1

      (Older) glassdoors tend to do that.
      I almost cut off my own leg accidentely kicking one in as a child.

      Left a trail of blood too...

    58. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were a true /.er, your suggestion would involve a Raspberry Pi, a webcam, servos, OpenCV and frickin' lasers...

      Only after you've gotten that far can you suggest the Big Dog as a possible mounting location.

    59. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This, and the fact that the shotgun pellets will be stopped by the wall and not continue on through my house, to my neighbors house and possibly to the house on the other side of them is a plus. I don't want to be charged with manslaughter because the bullet I fired went through and killed my neighbors kid. a shotgun is all you need for home defense, though I do prefer a pump action 12 gauge with bean bag rounds as the 1st "warning" shot with the other 7 being buck shot. As Barc0001 stated, they are loud and that is all you need with the one guy bleeding out on the ground screaming to his mates who are all fleeing out the back door.

    60. Re:First purchase by operagost · · Score: 1

      Weapons misfire.

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    61. Re:First purchase by Applekid · · Score: 1

      If he had that, some piece of shit criminal would now be running around with his ar-15 illegally.

      I'm as pro gun as anyone out there, but I'm baffled why gun safes are not mandatory for those who wish to keep a gun at home*.

      *while they are presumably away from home... a rifle isn't exactly a good concealable weapon

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    62. Re:First purchase by operagost · · Score: 1

      The government thinks we need gun-free zones to keep us safe, so why not put a sign out saying "Gun Free Zone"? That should do it.

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    63. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm intrigued to know what the insurance ramifcations are (for your electronics) if you use extreme force to harm or kill a burglar, and ruin some of the electronics at the same time. Is that a standard part of US insurance policies. Is that where the term "blood spatter" comes from?

    64. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um when you get home please go spray the pepper spray at a target in a confined area, living/bath/family/bed rooms (any one will do) and tell me what happens to you.*

      *Hint you will not like it.

    65. Re:First purchase by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Civilization and "civilized" is not some binary status that is involves forfeiture of one's life for doing anything wrong. There are degrees of wrongness, and for most people, property damage is not the same amount of wrong as bodily harm. Valuing a few thousand dollars of entertainment products over someone's life, regardless of which one made choices leading up to that situation, seems more contrasted at civilized life than someone who at worst just wants more stuff, or at best is trying to survive because they ran out of options or are not very bright.

      It's not the stuff that's the problem, it's the rest of what may happen. What was a simple burglary can turn into a robbery and rape simply because the house was occupied by a girl home sick from school. Maybe the victim gets home while it's going on and the criminal turns into a stabbing machine to make sure they get away uncaught.

      If you want to bet your life that a criminal will be honorable enough to let you live, go right ahead. But to call someone that values their life over the life of someone who chooses to do harm as more wrong is condescending and insulting.

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    66. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mcgrew here, I logged in at home over lunch and every damned time I hit "submit" I got a server error. Same thing yesterday, so I guess I have to post AC to this (there were about five comments at lunch). I'd write help@slashdot.org but they never got back to me about the password change bug...

      Anyway, what I tried unsucessfully to say over lunch is they're just going to shoot the dog, or kill it with the crowbar they used to get the door open. I really sympathise with the submitter, my door was crowbared two years ago and they got away with my new laptop, a nice Epiphone bass, all my DVDs, a DVD player, a bunch of blank checks (THAT was a real NIGHTMARE that went on for a year and a half) and other stuff. They left my two tower computers, bigassed JBL speakers (they took no stereo equipment at all) and TV. They probably didn't have room for it I guess.

      I didn't have insurance. If I'd had a shotgun and been home when they came in, I'd be feeling really bad right now about killing them.

      Man, I wish slashdot would fix these bugs, this is getting annoying.

    67. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also applies to a wife / girlfriend. . . :)

    68. Re:First purchase by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      you could just get a nice shotgun as Joe Biden recommended recently.

      Yes, but don't buy a double-barrel.

      Buy a semi-auto shotgun instead.

      Or a pump-action, if you're a traditionalist - hearing someone cycling a pump-action can make you wet yourself if you're somewhere you shouldn't be....

      However, as to Joe Biden's recommendation - Joe Biden is NOT depending on double-barrel shotguns to defend HIMSELF, so I'm not sure why I should take his advice on the subject (sayeth a man who owns four shotguns, two each of 12 and 20 gauge, two each of semi-auto and pump)....

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    69. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LAPD was shooting pistols. It's a lot easier to hit something with a shotgun, at close range it's hard to miss with one, especially if it isn't choked much (too bad sawed off shotguns are illegal, almost impossible to miss with one of those).

      Plus, from all the news reports, I'm starting to think cops are as lousy shots as the god damned gangsters.

    70. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trap guns (included computer-activated ones) are illegal in every state of the U.S. and grounds for whoever gets shot (including intruders) to win a massive lawsuit on the gorunds of per se liability. And if you are lucky enough to kill someone with one of these, enjoy your jail time for felony murder.

      I'm surprised this company has not been sued into the ground yet or the owners brought up on criminal charges by the ATF.

    71. Re:First purchase by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm as pro gun as anyone out there, but I'm baffled why gun safes are not mandatory for those who wish to keep a gun at home*.

      Well, for one thing...if someone is breaking into my house and I wake up and hear it..I don't want to have to count on the criminals good nature to wait for me to get up, find my glasses, fumble around in the dark to get to my gun safe, turn on the light and fiddle with the combination so I can get the gun out, to shoot said criminal.

      Me?

      I have several handguns hidden around various parts of the house, fully loaded, rounds chambered safety on.

      So, no matter where I am I am in close reach of a weapon and I merely need to flip the safety off and start firing. I have loaded spare clips near the semi's and speed loaders near the revolvers. I still have a clip of black talons in the Baretta.

      Why should the govt. tell me how I have to keep my weapons stowed?

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    72. Re:First purchase by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even more reason for a *double* barreled shotgun. Your fancy AR-15 with the 30 round clip isn't going to do much if the first round in the chamber misfires and jams, but the chances that both barrels of a shotgun will not work is pretty tiny.

    73. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You sound paranoid.

    74. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stuff is irrelevant. Whether it was several thousand dollars, or something of no value at all, someone broke into my home, and it is my right to protect it by ending their threat.

      It IS a binary status. IF you do this, THEN I have my right to do this, ELSE I do not.

    75. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gun is only useful if you happen to be home while they're stealing all of your electronics. Unless the OP and his/her family are VERY heavy sleepers, I suspect this isn't the case here.

      Similarly, the DVR security system is probably not going to be too effective at *preventing* breakins. It might help with catching those responsible after the fact (assuming they don't just take the DVR with them).

    76. Re:First purchase by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I'm as pro gun as anyone out there, but I'm baffled why gun safes are not mandatory for those who wish to keep a gun at home*.

      Imaginary security?

      If you're not home, any burglar can take the time to open your gun safe (or just take it too). It's not like it takes much more than a power drill....

      The primary purpose of a gun safe is to protect your children from your guns (or vice versa, if your kids have taken to arguing over who gets the good Benelli shotgun after you croak)....

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    77. Re:First purchase by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You said ripe, not rip. I know what you meant, I was just being silly.

      You also said "and protection training an aggressive dog is useless / dangerous" which means.. don't get a protection trained dog? Which is it?

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    78. Re:First purchase by spxZA · · Score: 0

      Hell, even Olympians miss. Oscar Pistorius only scored 2 hits, with 4 shots fired.

    79. Re:First purchase by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Hell, here in New Orleans, if you shoot the bastard and he somehow makes it out of your house to die in the front yard, the cops here are usually nice enough to help you drag the body back indoors before they take the pics, etc....to help keep things 'neater'.

      A great many years ago, after my grandfather had died, my grandmother was talking to the Sheriff, and the subject of burglars came up. According to Gran, the sheriff told her that if someone was prowling around her home, shoot him, then call the sheriff "unofficially" and he'd help her drag the body inside before calling in the sheriff "officially"...

      Never knew whether she was pulling our legs with that one, but I'd not be surprised it if it was literal truth.

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    80. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, but where do you guys *live*? Beirut? Johannesburg? Do you really live in such a horrifically violent place that you *need* guns for home defense? Can't you move?

    81. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na get a nice lovable dog.and protection training an aggressive dog is useless / dangerous. That said a nice female defending her home will ripe the face off anybody not supposed to be there.while your newborn can grab yank and otherwise harass her and she will just look at you for help.

      Coming from a former DA: skip the camera DVR system. It doesn't stop burglars, and it doesn't really help with apprehension or prosecution unless you are willing to put the cameras in really unpleasant locations for a home, like 4ft high, 5ft inside the door. We don't need to watch overhead video of some guy trashing your home. A police report and your testimony is sufficient to establish that your home was trashed and your belongings stolen.

      Spend your money on motion sensing lights on the perimeter.

    82. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you never have visitors. Intentionally.

    83. Re:First purchase by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow! Paranoid much?
      I am about as anti-government as anyone. But even I will admit a few rules are a good idea. Rules about gun storage, and some sort of permit requirement seems only logical to me.

      Watch this get modded all over the map. :)

      --
      If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
    84. Re:First purchase by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      Even the teenagers at my local range can outshoot any local cop by leaps and bounds. Factor in the usual self defense scenario, and the local guys have more and better training shooting under duress than most cops.

    85. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Using a 'safety round' is a good choice. A Teflon cap holds a bunch of micro bee-bees in place. Upon impact the Teflon cap disintegrates releasing the micro bee-bees. The rounds energy is transferred to the bee-bees on impact and they spread out entry wound that looks like and exit wound. It could be described a artillery shell for hand guns, where ever it hits, there's going to be a crater. An 1980's report cited 74 instances where they were used. There was only one survivor. So if you elect to use this round, make no mistake, you're going to be shooting to kill. This reduces the stories told to police by one, which in and of itself, is not a bad thing.

      The good thing about them is the round will not go through a standard household wall. This means less chance of family members, innocent bystanders, neighbors, etc being wounded in the process of defending your home from those who would take your property from you by force. Last time checked they were available in calibers from .32 to .410.

      Local and State laws should be examined to determine if these types of rounds are legal in your area.

    86. Re:First purchase by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      they're just going to shoot the dog, or kill it with the crowbar they used to get the door open.

      That's why you don't want a yappy dog. You get one that just stands there, in the dark. And then tears the throat out of the intruder once they walk around the corner in the hallway.

      Joke:

      This burglar breaks into a house. After walking around in the dark for a few moments, he hears a voice, "Jesus is watching you."
      Looking around, he sees a parrot, and sees it repeat, "Jesus is watching you."
      He chuckles and says, "Really? What's your name, parrot?"
      The parrot replies, "Moses."
      The burglar says, "Who would name a parrot Moses?"
      "The same guy who named the Rottweiler Jesus."

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    87. Re:First purchase by riT-k0MA · · Score: 1

      My Pyrenean is now 11 years old and will be dead in less than a month. He's 83cm at the shoulder and is very very fat, weighing 70kgs. He's a wonderful dog and I am going to miss him.
      Some background info on Pyreneans: They were bred to guard livestock in the Pyrenean mountains. There are records of them taking on bears one on one. They could just barely win a fight with a bear if they had a spiked collar to protect their throat. Of course afterwards the dog wouldn't survive for very long either. The French royalty somehow got hold of the breed and bred them to guard their royalty, giving them a most wonderful temperament in the process.
      I second Parent in the Teddybear aspect. They are an very intelligent breed of dog and will unfortunately question nonsense orders.
      I would highly recommend this breed to anyone, provided they have somewhere to take them on long walks.

      Also, Parent: Be sure to introduce the livestock as friends before turning them loose on the land, unless you want freshly slaughtered 'intruders' on your hands!

    88. Re:First purchase by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, the dog throws...wait, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

      In Soviet Russia, the electronics steal...huh, what?

      In Soviet Russia, dogs steal elec.....hmmmmm

      little help here, guys?

      --
      "As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
    89. Re:First purchase by styrotech · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where the hell do you live? Soweto? Nuevo Laredo? Aleppo? Kabul?

    90. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention if the dog bites one of them, then the dog becomes a dangerous animal in the eyes of the law and no doubt the lawyers will argue to have it put down and you might just end up having to pay medical bills/pain and suffering despite the fact that they should never have been there in the first place.

      Fucking lawyers.

    91. Re:First purchase by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

      Why? If your mean dog bites an intruder in all 50 states you are liable for assault, and your dog will be put down and you will, not might, be liable for the intruder's injuries. I can't find a single state in the USA, that has ANY protection for home owner's if their pet assaults an intruder. (At least that I could find in 2 hours of searching.)

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    92. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used to be the single women living alone in my family (mostly widowed aunts) kept a shotgun loaded with rock salt: hurts like hell, but non lethal. Sadly, the advice today seems to be "shoot to kill" or the perp might sue YOU. My favorite grand-aunt keeps the shotgun over the fireplace but now also keeps a 9mm in her bedside table.

    93. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw, man. This is your HOME we are talking about. Gotta get a Pancor Jackhammer loaded with frag grenades. Let loose with that puppy on full auto and your family will never have trouble sleeping again.

    94. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you give advice to others, please educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

    95. Re:First purchase by operagost · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that semi-auto weapons don't have a bolt you can pull back to release a bad round. Anyway, I'm not going in with two shots, because a lethal hit is not guaranteed with a shotgun, especially one with two barrels because it's harder to aim.

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    96. Re:First purchase by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      Guess that says something else about me as well. I lived in a shady part of South Florida for a bit. I owned a shotgun and a pistol at the time. If someone was egregious enough to break in, I was prepared (with training and legally owning said firearms).

      When I moved elsewhere, I sold them, as I could not justify a pressing need for them anymore. Yes, I agree with the GP - civilized may not have been my adjective of choice, perhaps "appropriate" would be better. Sure seems appropriate enough to defend myself and my property if someone is going to be bold enough to commit a break-in. How is defending yourself considered to be barbaric?

      --
      "As the intrepid kobold companion continues his journey, he begins to wonder... if priests raises dead, why anybody die?
    97. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice idea, but not quite. It's surprisingly easy to miss with a shotgun even at that range and a 20 gauge won't cut it. It might hurt like all Holy Hell on Toast, but it might not take em down. .223 rounds may be tiny, but they are shot at at MUCH higher velocity and tend to bounce around once they get inside. Find some forensic textbooks with pictures of exit wounds to give you some ideas of this kind of damage.

    98. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for one thing...if someone is breaking into my house and I wake up and hear it..I don't want to have to count on the criminals good nature to wait for me to get up, find my glasses, fumble around in the dark to get to my gun safe, turn on the light and fiddle with the combination so I can get the gun out, to shoot said criminal.

      You forgot to put on your prosthetic legs and grab your cricket bat.

      I have several handguns hidden around various parts of the house, fully loaded, rounds chambered safety on.

      So, no matter where I am I am in close reach of a weapon and I merely need to flip the safety off and start firing. I have loaded spare clips near the semi's and speed loaders near the revolvers. I still have a clip of black talons in the Baretta.

    99. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the commenter wasn't at home at the time, that wouldn't have helped. On the other hand, he might already have one, hopefully one which is properly secured. It not it also could have been stolen (or used against him by the burglar?)

      The DVR Security System mentioned in the summary sounds like a better investment.

    100. Re:First purchase by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Statistically brandishing your own weapon increases the chances of you yourself being shot. You think you are safer, but actually you are more likely to die.

      The reason should be obvious. Someone came to steal your stuff. They encountered you holding a gun, presumably with the intent to use it against them. Now their best option is to shoot first. The alternative for you is to run away and call the cops, which sucks but at least you get to live.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    101. Re:First purchase by pswPhD · · Score: 1

      Or how about an autotargeting kilowatt laser?

    102. Re:First purchase by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your reasoning is flawed. In the US you are far more likely to get shot during a robbery, precisely because people keep guns in their homes so burglars bring their own too. Armed robbery is pretty rare in countries where you can't easily acquire guns.

      The problem perpetuates itself. Robbery-murders increase so more people buy guns, so more criminals start to carry them for protection too. It becomes impossible to get rid of all the guns. The US is now screwed because everyone is locked in to an arms race.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    103. Re:First purchase by Belial6 · · Score: 0

      Why should the govt. tell me how I have to keep my weapons stowed?

      So that they can show guns don't protect people???

    104. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poe's Law I say!

       

    105. Re:First purchase by LordNicholas · · Score: 1

      I love me some Second Amendment as well, but I really hope you don't have kids living with you...

    106. Re:First purchase by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Way back when I was young and still living at home, I was looking out the back window one summer afternoon to see a guy climb over our six-foot wooden privacy fence to retrieve a Frisbee. He got about five steps into the yard when our two large german-shepards noticed him and took off in his direction barking their heads off. I've never seen a guy scale back over a fence so fast. I then watched him walk out and around and I met him at our front door with his Frisbee. Dogs are fun.

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      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    107. Re:First purchase by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      No, motion activated mini-gun.

      Be sure to post a sign in the yard: Trespassers will be shot; Survivors will be shot again.

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    108. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The alternative for you is to run away and call the cops, which sucks but at least you get to live.

      Can't I do both? Run and hide... with a gun on my person??? Not having a wife or kids, maybe that makes more likely to run/hide/hole-up. In all scenarios, adding "with a gun" seems better.

    109. Re:First purchase by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Civilized people must be prepared to abandon their civility when the time comes.

      From Star Trek: Mirror Mirror:

      Spock: (Explaining to Kirk how the mirror versions were so quickly spotted) It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men.

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      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    110. Re:First purchase by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      That's why you don't want a yappy dog. You get one that just stands there, in the dark. And then tears the throat out of the intruder once they walk around the corner in the hallway.

      And then never get up in the middle of the night to go to the toilet ever again...

    111. Re:First purchase by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so when they burgle your home when you are not there (which is almost always how it's done) they now have your AR-15 with high capacity mags as well as all of your electronics.

    112. Re:First purchase by PPH · · Score: 0

      Particularly if your name is Reeva Steenkamp.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    113. Re:First purchase by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any competent person only needs 1 shot with a 20 gauge shotgun...

      Competent? One shot? People miss, and miss a lot, for a lot of different reasons. Sometimes it's because they are not competent. Sometimes it's just because they are nervous and miss. Sometimes the bad guy is moving. Sometimes there is more than one bad guy. Sometimes the bad guy is shooting back and they have to return fire from cover. The number of reasons that more than one shot might be needed is very high.

      On top of that, a wound from a single shot of a weapon like that is far worse than a couple of rounds from an AR-15.

      Well, that's a very subjective statement. A single shot from a 20 gauge shot gun to the pinky finger is far less critical than an 5.56 between the eyes or through the heart. A shotgun, especially a lower powered one like a 20 gauge, is far less likely to kill someone than an AR-15 when shot from the same distance to the same area. Add any kind of ballistic armor and now the 20 gauge is almost useless. Not that bad guys rock bullet proof vests a lot. The point is, an AR-15 is actually a lot more deadly than a 20 gauge single shot shot gun. And if you're worried about shooting through the walls with an AR-15 you can always use hollow point bullets.

      The biggest problem with Joe's plan of shooting warning shots, and his problems are numerous, is that if you have a double barrel shot gun and you shoot two shots into the air you're left with an unloaded weapon. If the bad guy has a weapon you're now in a shootout with an unloaded gun. Not only will the bad guy now be shooting to kill, but you'll have to reload, While being shot at.

      Using a shotgun is a double edge sword. The good part is that is doesn't shoot through walls so you're not going to hit anyone in other rooms. But that's also a bad part, if the bad guy has a gun and is shooting at you through the wall, you can't return fire with a shotgun. Shotguns are easy to aim, but they lack the ability to choose what you're shooting at. If someone you don't want to hit is near someone you do want to hit, you're kinda out of luck. A bad thing about a shotgun is that it's quite long, and turning around inside a narrow hallway can be a pain, but the same can be said for an AR-15.

      Double barrel and single shot shotguns lack a pump, so there's no way to "warn" the bad guy that you might be sending a cloud of buckshot at him. As mentioned before, double barrel shotguns only have two shots, which is really not enough. If you miss twice, for whatever reason you're in trouble. Using the pump on a pump shotgun is probably enough to scare off even armed bad guys, after all, they want to live just as much as the next guy. However, when you're actually shooting at an armed bad guy, that's a whole other story, you leave the bad guy no choice but to return fire.

      Why the fuck does Joe's wife need a god damn shotgun, or any gun? They live at the US Naval Observatory and have a full time contingent of heavily armed marines and secret service agents! All of which are armed with AR-15s, 9mm, G36's, Hand grenades etc.. If Joe's and his wife still have a need for guns, than certainly it can be argued that those of us without heavily armed guards need weapons.

      And of course the grand overriding argument is that we don't maintain weapons to fend off crooks, that's just a useful benefit. The real reason we have gobs of high powered rifles with large magazine capacities is so we can stand a chance if ever a need rises to water the tree of liberty. Once you give up a freedom for "public safety" or any other reason, it's almost impossible to get it back. We do not need to overthrow the government we have today, but we are always only one generation from a complete Soviet style tyranny. I've heard the argument "what's an AR-15 going to do to a tank or an F-22". Well, the tank crew doesn't live in the tank, and the

    114. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a nice loveable dog with a mean reputation.

      Pit bulls are seriously sweet and playful animals, that if treated well will be your friend for life.

      Just the sight of a pit is enough to convince most burglars to go elsewhere.

    115. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Joe Biden. . . I'm not sure why I should take his advice on the subject"
      Yep, I agree with you there.

    116. Re:First purchase by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Try shooting skeet with an AR15.

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    117. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hire a hit team to find them and bring back their polished skulls?

    118. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) dog that barks when intruders come near the house but don't bark all of the frickin time
      2) baseball bats by every bed
      3) pump shotgun with load of #1 buckshot, ar15 rounds could go through a wall and kill your neighbor
      4) Brush hog to feed the bodies through, especially if they are still alive
      5) video gear to record the brush hog feeding
      6) Outdoor projectors to display the video so other arseholes that steal stuff get the message

    119. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after you kill the thief, check out his ID and then go kill his family. The Hawaiians had it correct, stop the bad genes

    120. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dog is worthless against a human being with a gun, a knife, a screwdriver, an icepick, a brick, a baseball bat, a hammer, a tire iron, a crowbar, a chain, a rope, a belt, pepper spray, mace, a squirt gun filled with lemon juice/bleach/muriatic acid, etc. Dogs are incredibly stupid and it's very easy to injure and/or kill one.

      I used to have some asshole neighbors who let their aggressive, vicious pit bulls run around in my yard. After animal control did nothing, I got tired of it one day and beat it to death with my baseball bat. I left the carcass on the neighbor's porch.

    121. Re:First purchase by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I recently worked on a project to roll out Smart Meters to large number of properties. This project has been painted as evil in the media and has been largely unpopular with the general public.

      During the meter installation phase, we received a letter form a customer saying that they had placed a poisonous snake in the their meter box with a heat lamp and padlocked it - the installer to proceed at own risk.

      All threats were passed to the police, plus they were risking disconnection as it is illegal to have a powerpoint in the actual meter box.

      --
      Sara
      Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
    122. Re:First purchase by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Burglar trying to steal my TV to sell for $20 is going to have a gun with a street value of $500? Robbers without guns often surprise their victims with beatings to prevent resistance. Unarmed countries are more savage.

    123. Re:First purchase by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Dude dives behind the couch and you're screwed unless the muzzle flashes from his AK light up the room enough for you to reload.

    124. Re:First purchase by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      An AR-15 to the hip hits the bone and shatters it. The shotgun strips the soft meat. If you don't die from blood loss, you'll have less long-term problems with a shotgun hit than an AR-15. And neither will leave you walking. Indoors, in a quiet environment, any gun is loud. A 22-LR will leave your ears ringing for longer than any scenario like this would play out. A shotgun would leave you with the more underwater temporary deafness, but neither would scream "this is a good place to be". Go to a gun range sometime. If uncovered spots are allowed, they are always preferred because even the thin tin roof over the covered spots is sufficient to increase the sound of some guns to uncomfortablility. People underestimate the amplification of enclosure. An expensive 5000W car stereo can either have a large amount spent to increase power, or get the equivelent of 50,000W by just closing the windows (debatable only 10,000W, but depends on whether you measure sound subjectively or SPL)

    125. Re:First purchase by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I was with a friend in a public place. He had his dog on a leash. A stranger had a dog that was loose. It ran over to us, and growled and snapped at my friend's dog. They started going at it. I stepped between two dogs in a dog fight, and bopped the other dog in the nose. It looked at me like it was confused. I stood there and stared at it, it's owner running over, mad I hit its loose and dangerous dog.

      I've heard many people say not to step between dogs in a dog fight, but when I did it, the dog was so confused, he didn't move until dragged away by its owner. My friend's dog knew me and was on a leash, so I was under no danger from it, and dogs are "scary" but not nearly as hazardous to an adult as people presume/assert.

    126. Re:First purchase by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      It's nearly impossible to miss with a load of buckshot at short range. The only way you miss is if you're using rifled slugs.

      Firing a pistol is not equivalent to firing a shotgun, so the miss rate of pistols is meaningless to use as a comparative measure.

    127. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is that 99.something% of the time the low-lifes break in when nobody is home. Your mini armament cache is just another thing stolen.

    128. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your terrier poodle stood between u and the inspector because he considered it HIS role to be protector of the pack i.e. he doesn't see you as his full time pack leader. This puts a lot of extra stress on his life. It's your role to be the leader and protector of the pack, not his. A dog who knows this would only get involved when you're in genuine danger / need of help, and consequently leads a much more balanced, stress-free life. You need to work on your animal leadership skills!

    129. Re:First purchase by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Your argument is ludicrously invalid, burglar has no idea of the value of the goods your house. Bedsides according to gun nut logic you will also at minimum have a gun that they can steel and sell.

      Of course when it comes to spending insurance money, don't try spending it before you get it. Some insurance companies can be real arse holes, like Allianz, delaying payment and only offering a small percentage value of lost good, using the ever growing delay to force you into agreement. Even if they finally pay the full amount, the longer they have it the more they can generate from their investments with out paying you a cent in interest unless you finally sue and then they play games with out of court settlement, all to run that payment date out as long as possible.

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    130. Re:First purchase by Mooney+Driver · · Score: 1

      "And if you're worried about shooting through the walls with an AR-15 you can always use hollow point bullets."

      Bullshit. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4499511&postcount=7

      "Using a shotgun is a double edge sword. The good part is that is doesn't shoot through walls so you're not going to hit anyone in other rooms."

      Again, bullshit of the worst kind. The kind that will lead you to kill a family member in a home defense scenerio. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

      You need to spend less time watching TV and more time on the range. Read this, test some of your theories on the range, and stop spouting armchair soldier bullshit: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

    131. Re:First purchase by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      So let yourself get raped and killed for a better world. You first.

    132. Re:First purchase by Mooney+Driver · · Score: 1

      Or you can buy an AK. Charging an AK makes a noise at least as scary as a pump action shotgun. When you pull the trigger, it fires. Every damn time.

    133. Re:First purchase by Mooney+Driver · · Score: 1

      No way! I wish we stupid yanks had thought of that. Amazing how we missed that fact that armed robberies only occur within our borders.

    134. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or insist that your burbclave invest in a Rat Thing.

      Only if your Burbclave is a Mr lees Greater Hong Kong!

    135. Re:First purchase by phoenix_orb · · Score: 1

      I want to apologize beforehand; You sir, are an idiot. If I had the inclination, I would explain the difference between buckshot, deerslugs, and how the tumbling of a ar-15 round can cause major injuries. However, I almost feel as if your response is simply a troll. Your comment about sound in a enclosed space with a firearm shows that you really do not have that much knowledge about SPL level either.

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    136. Re:First purchase by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 1

      Not all shotgun shells are the same, using bird shot at even a medium range will fail to penetrate more than one wall, don't even get me started on beanbag shots. AR-15 rounds will breakup faster than buckshot and JHPs will breakup even faster than FMJs. If you're worried about penetration you can hardly go wrong with a shotgun with bird shot or a beanbag, and that will stop a bad guy. Using an AR-15 is almost as "safe" as far as penetration goes, it might penetrate a wall but the rounds will break apart and while it might hurt someone on the other side of a wall or two it will not hurt them as bad as a .45 FMJ or a slug.

      Different rounds have different results. I do shoot, and I shoot a lot, but I've never done any sort of penetration testing myself, but there are a lot of penetration testing videos on youtube that support what I'm saying here. Even the link you provided supports using bird shot, even though it says it won't kill a person, I promise it will cause them enough pain to not want to keep doing whatever it is they're doing, and it won't go through a wall unless you shoot it point blank.

    137. Re:First purchase by adolf · · Score: 1

      And if you're worried about shooting through the walls with an AR-15 you can always use hollow point bullets.

      Have you ever fired an AR-15 into something other than paper? Even with the cheapest Russian ammo (with a tiny little hole to make it a "hollow point"), a couple of layers of drywall means very little to the person standing on the other side of the wall.

      If you think otherwise, please feel free to prove it: Build a wall, stand on one side of it, and have someone fire a .223 hollow point through it. (Or on second thought, don't.)

      Using a shotgun is a double edge sword. The good part is that is doesn't shoot through walls so you're not going to hit anyone in other rooms.

      Again. Have you ever fired a shotgun into something other than paper? Even my little .410 makes surprisingly neat holes through 1/2" OSB at 20 feet with bird shot, nevermind the 3" 9-pellet #4 buck that I keep for home defense. With a full choke and in-home distances (at least in my home), those nine copper-plated lead balls are going to be moving darn near one right after another, making holes for the next one as they go.

      But that's also a bad part, if the bad guy has a gun and is shooting at you through the wall, you can't return fire with a shotgun.

      Why on Earth would I try to shoot someone through a wall, even if they are shooting "at" me? So I can waste as much ammo as they are? Is it a game to see who who can reload quickest before the next round of blind fire?

      Seems better to get down fast, close to the same wall they're shooting at (they can't hear you move anymore, and are unlikely to be firing toward the floor), aim chest-level at the doorway, and wait for the next move.

      Double barrel and single shot shotguns lack a pump, so there's no way to "warn" the bad guy that you might be sending a cloud of buckshot at him.

      Why on Earth would I try to warn someone that I've got a gun?

      I mean, really: If I want to scare someone away (assuming the 100lb Doberman hasn't already done so), I'll use my voice: "Get. THE FUCK. OUT OF HERE." If they persist, it is time for the next move. Demonstrating that I have a gun is as counterproductive as a "warning" shot: At this point, whatever I do (which may include surrender) is going to be both quick and quiet.

      All I have to do to fire my shotgun, right now (or any other time) is slide the safety off and squeeze.

      Warning someone that I have a gun is the same as showing your hand in a card game: If you want to win (ie: survive), don't. (Some states might vary as to the legality of this, but mine is A-OK with shooting and killing unwelcome intruders without warning, whether they're armed and/or physically threatening or just perusing my collection of antique dictionaries in the most passive of ways.)

      This all said: I generally agree with the rest of your comment. My SxS .410 is limited in use for this application -- a semiautomatic shotgun with a shorter barrel might be better...though the SxS can't jam and I'll -always- get at least two shots out of it. :)

      And it's the only gun I own. I'll use it if I have to, and I feel that I'm in better control of my property and the safety of my family with it than I was without it.

      You've at least reminded me that I need to go out and do some shooting, and practice reloading, and practice shooting from unusual positions. I'm comfortable with the gun, my aim is good (I just think of billiards), and I'm calm when unwanted strangers appear (a confused drunk guy once wandered into my living room one night while we were watching TV, and this didn't even give me a start), but I can always be better prepared to work with what I've got.

      Cheers.

    138. Re:First purchase by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yes, please explain how much an AR-15 round will tumble. And tell me that firing a gun in an enclosed space is quiet. You sir, have all the truthiness stored away. Share some with us.

    139. Re:First purchase by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 1

      Bird shot from 12 feet away isn't going to penetrate through more than one wall, and what comes out the other side of that one wall is not lethal. If you use a beanbag shot it won't go through any walls. A .223 JHP will certainly go through a wall, but it will fragment and the fragments will not be as lethal as a .45 FMJ shot through the same wall. The .223 JHP probably won't go through two walls if shot at an angle, and by that time it will for sure not be lethal, although it might still take an eye out or give you a seriously bad headache.

      For home defense I personally have a cheap Norinco side by side 12 gauge, and I keep it at next to the front door, it's easy for my wife to use. I have a Remington 870 pump under the bed. I'm not personally worried about penetration, so they're loaded with 00 buck.

      Why on Earth would I try to warn someone that I've got a gun?

      Mostly because even bad guys don't want to die. Telling someone you've got a way to defend yourself is a great way to stop them from attacking you. Even if they do have a gun, most likely they don't want to get into a shootout. Ejecting a single shell isn't going to make you run out of ammo, and it's all the proof anyone needs. I keep one in the chamber, but it's not a bad idea to warn someone that the next move they make might be their last. Shooting someone is going to make a pretty big mess in a lot of ways, physical, moral, emotional, legal etc., it's a good idea to try and avoid it if at all possible.

      Why on Earth would I try to shoot someone through a wall, even if they are shooting "at" me?

      Maybe a wall is a bad example of why you might want penetration. A better one is if they've ducked behind a couch or a counter. Some place where you pretty much know exactly where they are at and they seem to think that concealment is cover. And like I said before, if you're shooting a round that can't penetrate, that little bit of concealment is cover. A beanbag shot isn't going to go through a couch.

      I enjoy shooting, but my lazy habits always lead me to one discipline: sniping. For that I have a Savage .308 with a US Optics SN-3. Got that guy all bubba'd out with heavy fluted barrel and every wiz bang feature you can add to the scope. It's almost like cheating. I'm not that great of a shot but I'll hit a one foot target 8/10 times at 800 yards. It's single shot, so it keeps me from blowing through too much ammo. It's almost like playing chess. Now this is making me want to go shoot too.

      Thanks for the friendly post! Have fun at the range!

    140. Re:First purchase by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Your reasoning is flawed. You're thinking backwards. Burglars bring their own guns not because home owners (or renters) have guns, but because they're available and force is respected. What you're saying is that criminals are protecting themselves, defensively from the homeowners they intend to victimize. That's absurd!

      And it doesn't matter how rare "armed robbery" is when "robbery and assault" is a prevalent criminal pastime - just look at robbery crime rates (and rate changes) in the UK as an example.

      Also, while it may be true that more armed robberies occur when there are more guns, as a percentage of total robberies, what is not true is that there is more burglary or more robbery in general. Such things drop precipitously pretty much any time there's an increase in firearm ownership or firearm law permissiveness.

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    141. Re:First purchase by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Where I live a gun safe is required to be something like 1500kg or to be attached to the foundations, so it needn't be the case that they can just take them. I would be rather surprised if a significant number of burglars came prepared for safecracking after all.

    142. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddamn I'm so happy I don't live in America, and don't have to agonise over questions like "will my next home invader be shooting at me through the walls?" and "do I have enough shots between reloads that I can take out a whole gang of murderous meth-fuelled rapists swarming my bedroom?"

      Tea anyone?

    143. Re:First purchase by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      New Orleans.

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    144. Re:First purchase by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Informative

      I love me some Second Amendment as well, but I really hope you don't have kids living with you...

      Nope.

      But shouldn't make a difference, I grew up in a house where the gun was fully loaded, chambered and ready to go. I knew where it was..I was taught how to use and shoot it.

      I was also taught that I should NEVER even think about it much less come close to touching it, unless my life was in danger. And that message stuck from my parents.

      Are kids more stupid today and don't learn and listen? Why can they be trusted like I and friends I grew up with in my childhood ;'back in the day'?

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    145. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dog has its uses, even a small "alarm" poodle, but dogs are not invulnerable against e.g. poisoning, bullet holes, or ingesting shredded tobacco leaf (e.g. from ubiquitous cigarettes), all of which might cause it to sooner or later to lose interest in the would be burglar.

    146. Re:First purchase by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Trap guns (included computer-activated ones) are illegal in every state of the U.S. and grounds for whoever gets shot (including intruders) to win a massive lawsuit on the gorunds of per se liability. And if you are lucky enough to kill someone with one of these, enjoy your jail time for felony murder.

      I'm surprised this company has not been sued into the ground yet or the owners brought up on criminal charges by the ATF.

      Well, if you actually read their website instead of freaking out over nothing, you'd know that the primary purpose of these automated turrets is for recreational paintball/airsoft games.

      Of course, assuming you're one of my fellow Americans, expecting you to think with your brain instead of your glands may be asking too much.

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    147. Re:First purchase by wwfarch · · Score: 1

      An obvious explanation would be selection bias. The ones that didn't listen "back in the day" are dead. You can't ever use an argument of the form "Me and my friends did X and we're fine" because you're obviously fine by the very fact that you survived. The proper way would be to really dig into gun death statistics. I don't have these in front of me and don't have the time to go looking right now. My guess is that the proportion of kids playing with guns today is roughly on par as the proportion in the past.

    148. Re:First purchase by Mooney+Driver · · Score: 1

      Relying on the rounds you're firing to not over-penetrate is a horrible replacement for knowing your backdrop. If you don't have a clear shot, don't take it. "I saw it on youtube" is a horrible plan for defending your family. If you think this link http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm supports using bird shot for self defense, you have terrible reading comprehension.

    149. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NewEgg....

    150. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did this go so stray? He wanted to know, I assume, what computer and software to purchase?

      I say get a laptop that runs any stable OS that allows you to use cloud processing. Not just data storage, processing, running apps on the cloud device, and only paying for what you use. I too want that.

      Now, how do we do that? Suggestions?

    151. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One of the only things that stops many of our legislators from declaring tyrannical edicts is the fact that they know if they go too far they'll piss off too many people who own guns and are willing to lay down their lives for the cause of liberty."

      Bullshit. Our legislators ARE declaring tyrannical edicts, executing citizens with flying killer robots, spying on the innocent, torturing people, eroding every kind of right and due process that exists, and they are acting with complete impunity.

      The second amendment has NEVER been used to defend the rights of the people against a tyrannical government. It's proven useless in the preservation of democracy. Giving people their guns just gives them the illusion of being secure and effective and helps them ignore how all the rights that actually matter are disappearing around them.

    152. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course the grand overriding argument is that we don't maintain weapons to fend off crooks, that's just a useful benefit.

      Bad benefit - you think you're shooting a bad guy, and it turns out to be your girlfriend, and suddenly you're plastered all over the news.

      The real reason we have gobs of high powered rifles with large magazine capacities is so we can stand a chance if ever a need rises to water the tree of liberty. Once you give up a freedom for "public safety" or any other reason, it's almost impossible to get it back. We do not need to overthrow the government we have today, but we are always only one generation from a complete Soviet style tyranny.

      I think you're optimistic if you think a whole generation is necessary. It can happen significantly faster. See http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/democracys-road-to-tyranny

      I'm not sure if guns are the right solution to avoid this; but it's a much better argument than fear of burglars.

    153. Re:First purchase by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're separating him from any livestock (still separated from chickens, because he thinks they are toys still... he is gradually learning that *not* everything is a toy), introducing him to contact with them on leash for at least a few days, etc. :)

    154. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a mean dog.

      a big dog with a loud mouth who can take pictures ...

    155. Re:First purchase by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      We had a half husky. Sweetest dog we ever owned. She was so sweet, we wondered if she would actually protect our house if someone tried to break in. One night, I surprised her. We had an alley running down the length of the house and I walked out on one end while she was at the opposite. She didn't recognize me and the bark / growl she gave was truly terrifying. When she charged, I called her name and told her hello so that she would know it was me. Fortunately, when she reached me, she licked my hands. I never wondered about whether she'd defend the house or not.

      She may have protected us, but I can't say she gave the same courtesy to our Christmas tree. She ate ornaments just about every year. For being a really smart dog, she sure was dumb sometimes.

    156. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a divorced woman who obtained a biting dog, then paid a vet to remove its vocal cords. It takes a lot of imagination to think of a crueler thing to do to a dog, but she wanted it to tear up her former husband if he ever bothered her again. I don't know if her ex ever fell victim to that dog, but it certainly was effective against my 8-year-old nephew who was badly bitten when he fell into her yard while fooling around with his friends balancing on the fence. He didn't get back over the fence in time because nobody saw the dog until it was upon him.

      I was taking care of the kids at that time, and fuck weapons—it was the first time I ever wanted to kill an animal with my hands. After getting the kid stitched up, I went to that house fully intending to reach down that dog's throat and pull its heart out of its mouth. It took three cops to hold me back.

    157. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more reason for a *double* barreled shotgun. Your fancy AR-15 with the 30 round clip isn't going to do much if the first round in the chamber misfires and jams, but the chances that both barrels of a shotgun will not work is pretty tiny.

      Tell you what... I'll duel you with my AR-15. We will turn to face off at 600 yards.

      Hope you enjoy your dirt nap, your life as an idiot will soon be over.

    158. Re:First purchase by adolf · · Score: 1

      For home defense I personally have a cheap Norinco side by side 12 gauge, and I keep it at next to the front door, it's easy for my wife to use. I have a Remington 870 pump under the bed. I'm not personally worried about penetration, so they're loaded with 00 buck.

      The best gun-hiding technique I've heard of involves closets. Most homes are full of them, and there's usually one near the front door. Hang it in the closet, above the door. Nobody looks there when in smash-and-grab mode, and it's still quickly accessible.

      I wanted to get some 0 or 00 for the .410, but nobody around here stocks it -- all they had was various small-game shot, and some crazy disc-shaped loads meant for a Taurus Judge that would never fire correctly (or safely) from a long barrel with a choke.

      One dealer did follow my request to get some real .410 ammo, which is how I wound up with #4. It's not as big as what I was asking for, but the price was good and he did actually remember me when I came to pick it up, so I got a couple of boxes of it.

      It's an old (~1960) Stevens 311 that we inherited, and I can't find a single thing wrong with it. :)

      Mostly because even bad guys don't want to die. Telling someone you've got a way to defend yourself is a great way to stop them from attacking you. Even if they do have a gun, most likely they don't want to get into a shootout.

      I still disagree: If they didn't want a shootout during their robbery, they shouldn't have brought a gun. If they make it past the dog (who looks and sounds vicious, but really isn't) and my vocal command to leave, there's a good chance that they've got a target painted on them, as well as myself.

      Them being armed (or not) does not influence my decision as to whether or not to open fire, and I expect nothing less from them.

      What will influence my decision: The number of intruders. If I'm very outnumbered, I'm probably most inclined to round up the family, throw the cell phones to the intruders, and tell them we're leaving. (I do have good property insurance, but it does not include resurrection or funeral expenses.)

      Maybe a wall is a bad example of why you might want penetration. A better one is if they've ducked behind a couch or a counter. Some place where you pretty much know exactly where they are at and they seem to think that concealment is cover. And like I said before, if you're shooting a round that can't penetrate, that little bit of concealment is cover. A beanbag shot isn't going to go through a couch.

      A couch isn't much more than fabric, foam, and polyfill, usually, for normal trajectories. The couple of layers fabric don't mean much, and I'd imagine that the foam and polyfill is pretty good at slowing things down (I use them to convert acoustic energy into heat energy with speaker building, which is the same thing), but neither will tend to fragment the round except by overheating.

      When my couch is all used up, I'll see if I can find a nearby buddy with a some shootable land who will let me punch holes in it (before it gets burned and scrapped). It'll be interesting, and worthy of filming.

      I enjoy shooting, but my lazy habits always lead me to one discipline: sniping. For that I have a Savage .308 with a US Optics SN-3. Got that guy all bubba'd out with heavy fluted barrel and every wiz bang feature you can add to the scope. It's almost like cheating. I'm not that great of a shot but I'll hit a one foot target 8/10 times at 800 yards. It's single shot, so it keeps me from blowing through too much ammo. It's almost like playing chess. Now this is making me want to go shoot too.

      If there's anything this .410 has taught me, it's that I need more guns: There are only so many variations because there are so many uses and none of them do everything well.

    159. Re:First purchase by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How do you explain the fact that most burglaries in countries with gun control are not violent or armed then? They could still bring knives or golf clubs or any number of other weapons. Generally they don't though because if disturbed they just want to get away, not engage in a dangerous fight and risk getting caught.

      Interesting you should mention the UK. Generally speaking violent crime has been falling since the mid 90s, as has all crime in general. There has been a bit of a resurgence recently due to the recession, but the idea that violence is increasing because we can't defend ourselves is nonsense.

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    160. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You conveniently forgot the part where they also killed the guy they were after. You act like he died from a heart attack triggered by the bullets flying by him.

      A *few* facts in your post would have been nice.

    161. Re:First purchase by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      I know this was modded funny, but my dad was a cop and told me they did this exact thing to protect home-owners from lawsuits and criminal charges. They would even take a dead burglar who was half-way out the front door facing away from the house and turn him around so he was on his way IN the house.

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    162. Re:First purchase by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      You get plunked with an AR-15 in the hip and it's likely to shatter their pelvis beyond repair.

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    163. Re:First purchase by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Takes less than 2 seconds to recock the weapon and eject the misfire or clear the jam.

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    164. Re:First purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessary to drag an intruder back into the house in Kentucky. Recent legislation says that one can shoot/kill someone up to 30 feet outside of one's house. On the subject of guns, I'd highly recommend a pump action shotgun that can hold a bunch of slugs, then you don't have to worry as much about running out. People should be able to feel secure inside of their homes, and I believe that an armed society is paramount to that. I believe that the moment someone break's into a home, that they are fair game. Your mileage may vary.

  2. buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and less tv's...

    1. Re:buy a security system + cameras by jrmcferren · · Score: 1

      He already did that. I suggest a nice 12 gauge pump action shotgun to go in the mix as well and a handgun in case you have to fight to get to said shotgun.

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    2. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is legal where you live and you can find it, buy it. It might be outlawed soon though.

    3. Re:buy a security system + cameras by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Buy a pitchfork. Hysterical liberals don't have enough imagination to fear those or ban them.

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    4. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because pitchforks are tools, mainly made to shovel manure. They are only clumsy, makeshift weapons. Guns are built to propel projectiles at high velocity against a target, which makes them quite clumsy, makeshift tools for anything else.

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    6. Re:buy a security system + cameras by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, computers are a lot more valuable to criminals than to people on Craig's list. I'm guessing that if they stole the computer, they were probably hoping to get ID information and log ins off the HDD and didn't have time to disassemble the computer to just get at that.

      Still, I'm a bit surprised that they would risk that given that they already took laptops.

    7. Re:buy a security system + cameras by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Where exactly are they banning these things?

      Actually, no keep buying that shit. My stocks picks are turning out great.

    8. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, so they the next burglar can steal a nice 12 gauge pump action shotgun and a handgun. Sounds to me like you are making an early Christmas gift... where were you when the OP was burgled? /me gets out a pen and pad.

    9. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Bigby · · Score: 2

      Why? If he pays the same premium on insurance, then he actually has a disincentive to secure his place. He should just secure his personal information through some kind of encryption. Then let burglars steal his stuff again. Then he can buy new stuff...like a free upgrade.

    10. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because pitchforks are tools, mainly made to shovel manure.

      Shovels are used to shovel manure. Pitchforks are used to pitch hay.

      Either way, as a weapon, a pitchfork is best deployed by an angry mob.

    11. Re:buy a security system + cameras by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      If he had a DVR security system and multiple cameras.... well, they'd be gone too, wouldn't they?

    12. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the burglar can take them, too?

      Burglars generally show up when the house is empty; that's sort of the whole point. What's your shotgun going to do to dissuade anyone while you're at work?

      No, he needs a security system, the kind that automatically alerts some prepaid rentacops to show up when a motion detector is tripped without the password entered. Merely recording the perpetrators is insufficient; the pictures will just go into a folder in your local PD's burglary department and stay there forever until they catch the guy in some other incident and use your case as a tack-on.

    13. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And guns are tools, mainly made to propel a projectile at high velocity at a target intent on doing you harm.

      You wouldn't use a hoe to shovel manure if you had a better-suited tool for it, and you wouldn't use a pitchfork to defend your self and your property against an attacker if you had a better suited tool for it.

      If you want to be able to protect yourself, get a gun, and train extensively in using it for self defense so you don't end up in a situation where you'll be fumbling to cock it while your attacker shoots you in the face . It's a complex tool to operate properly, and the more practice you have with it, the less likely you'll be to fumble or freeze in a situation where your life really is on the line.

      Cops don't exist to protect you from the guy who's already broken into your house - they exist to tag & bag the remains. If you don't want to be in the bag, then you should probably be prepared to put the other guy in the bag.

    14. Re:buy a security system + cameras by jittles · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because pitchforks are tools, mainly made to shovel manure. They are only clumsy, makeshift weapons. Guns are built to propel projectiles at high velocity against a target, which makes them quite clumsy, makeshift tools for anything else.

      A gun is a tool, as well. It may be a tool used to do things that you do not approve of, but that does not make it any less a tool than a pitchfork.

    15. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then just steal a checkbook.

      I think you're overestimating the typical burglar.

    16. Re:buy a security system + cameras by kermidge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Burglars generally show up when the house is empty...."

      If you're home, it's robbery.

    17. Re:buy a security system + cameras by HaZardman27 · · Score: 2

      The stress isn't worth it. I had my house burgled once and the police tried to bring my wife down to the station to interrogate her for insurance fraud and take a lie detector test (I told them no thanks, of course). Also, it took nearly two months before the insurance money even arrived.

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    18. Re:buy a security system + cameras by es330td · · Score: 1

      Buy a pitchfork.

      Did you throw a trident?

    19. Re:buy a security system + cameras by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Because pitchforks are tools, mainly made to shovel manure.

      So, using them on burglars is basically using them as the manufacturer intended?

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    20. Re:buy a security system + cameras by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If he had a DVR security system and multiple cameras.... well, they'd be gone too, wouldn't they?

      I'd assume the DVR and all would be 'hidden' somewhere outta the way like the attic?

      I'd think concealing the cameras would be a good idea too.

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    21. Re:buy a security system + cameras by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The only thing insurance companies do in full and on time is collect premiums.

      After all is said and done, they will always cut your check by about what they figure 'isn't worth suing over'. That's after adding up 'replacement values'.

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    22. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now only hysterical liberals are concerned about all the idiots with unsecured guns and mentally ill gun-owners? I thought that was everyone but the far-right extremists.

    23. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. If someone showed up to steal your stuff while you were home, they would not be a burglar, they would be a robber. Therefore, burglars generally show up when the house is empty...

    24. Re:buy a security system + cameras by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      Not if you have the right insurance and take the obvious steps that so many people ignore. For example, maintain an itemized list of your valuables, and have the most expensive stuff appraised. Common sense precautions that'll guarantee reimbursement.

      Anytime you're dealing with insurance, you have to know your rights and obligations under the agreement to ensure you don't get screwed.

    25. Re:buy a security system + cameras by v1 · · Score: 1

      If he had a DVR security system and multiple cameras.... well, they'd be gone too, wouldn't they?

      depends on a lot of factors. If they have all weekend while you're gone visiting relatives, they can be pretty thorough about finding such things.

      OTOH, if you have a few discrete cameras feeding a DVR box on a dark shelf downstairs above the washing machine and they're more interested in grabbing the low hanging high-dollar fruit and running with it, (most likely) then the DVR will go unnoticed and untouched.

      My cameras aren't discrete, but finding the DVR itself would actually take them awhile even with a sledgehammer and drywall saw. I would be getting an email shortly after the break-in anyway, so even if the cops are slow to get there, I very much doubt they'd have found my DVR by the time they have my house surrounded.

      Most houses have small places that are well protected and make good hiding spots for DVRs. If you've lived in a house long enough, you should be able to think about it for awhile and start realizing where these "hides" are at. In a pinch, most DVRs will easily fit between studs in a wall. Just make a hole, run power and the camera wires down through the floor into the basement to route, and then screw down a cover plate and shove a dresser in front of it. Following wires between floors can be challenging even when you're familiar with the house. Odds are a determined burglar that realizes he's been recorded will have to bust into a number of walls before finding your DVR.

      And of course offsite copy of video will spoil their efforts. If they're sophisticated enough to cut communications lines before B&E then you may be outgunned anyway. My fav video to watch was of a couple on vacation that remoted into their webcam at home to WATCH people burgling their house. They recorded the video on the computer they were watching from, whist calling the police. Priceless.

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    26. Re:buy a security system + cameras by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      I thought pitchforks were made to stab and fling hay. Shovels were made to shovel manure.

      Pitchforks have long sharp tines, and if someone armed himself with a pitchfork and said, GTFO. No one sane without a firearm would risk doing anything but giving that guy at least 10' of clearance. A pitchfork will easily send 4x 10" steel spikes right through you without hesitation. I've seen it happen. (Hey, I used to live in Lancaster, PA of course I saw a pitchfork stabbing).

      There is no blocking a pitchfork. They can be pretty fearsome weapons and the only reason people don't use them more often is they are pretty obvious.

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    27. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Bigby · · Score: 1

      The stress has a value. So you can't make a blanket statement like "the stress isn't worth it". What if the payout is $10k? $50k? $100k? At some point, it is certainly more than worth it.

    28. Re:buy a security system + cameras by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I think you're greatly overestimating the technical prowess of your typical smash and grab thief. Most just want to unload the merchandise as fast as possible so they can get money for their next hit.

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    29. Re:buy a security system + cameras by hedwards · · Score: 2

      This wasn't a smash and grab if they got this much stuff. Five TVs alone would be too much for a smash and grab to get. The really good guys, know where people typically store jewelery and valuable items and would likely have stuck with just a few high value, easily fenced items.

      If their arms weren't too full for the desktop, it's a fairly good bet that they knew what they were doing.

    30. Re:buy a security system + cameras by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Checkbook? You mean something that's small and likely to not be on the premises as all?

      Stripping an entire apartment of all the electronics is something that requires a fair amount of skill to do, without being caught in the act. Five TVs, 3 laptops and the like aren't something you can just put under your coat and walk out with like jewelery.

    31. Re:buy a security system + cameras by operagost · · Score: 1

      That escalated quickly.

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    32. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not worth anything to harvest info if you are involved with a physical crime like this. They turn it to cash as soon as possible. The exceptions to this tend to be with those whose intentions were based around information gathering/ID theft anyway

    33. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Applekid · · Score: 2

      If he had a DVR security system and multiple cameras.... well, they'd be gone too, wouldn't they?

      I'd assume the DVR and all would be 'hidden' somewhere outta the way like the attic?

      I'd think concealing the cameras would be a good idea too.

      I don't understand how a DVR will prevent a burglary. At best it might provide evidence to convict someone. If they're caught. If the police can be bothered to look at it.

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    34. Re:buy a security system + cameras by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      Well, generally you shouldn't be getting much more for the payout than the value of the stolen goods (at least with my experience, just because you have say $10k worth of insurance doesn't mean you're getting a check for $10k, you report the items that were stolen and the insurance company determines the value). If you buy identical items to what was stolen, even if they're newer, it's unlikely that you're making much of a gain considering all of the negative things associated with a break-in.

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    35. Re:buy a security system + cameras by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      And how, exactly, is that helpful if you get robbed while you are not at home?

      Like OP already was?

      You have, however, improved the armament of the thieves.

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    36. Re:buy a security system + cameras by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      I thought pitchforks were made to stab and fling hay. Shovels were made to shovel manure.

      Pitchforks have long sharp tines, and if someone armed himself with a pitchfork and said, GTFO. No one sane without a firearm would risk doing anything but giving that guy at least 10' of clearance. A pitchfork will easily send 4x 10" steel spikes right through you without hesitation. I've seen it happen. (Hey, I used to live in Lancaster, PA of course I saw a pitchfork stabbing).

      There is no blocking a pitchfork. They can be pretty fearsome weapons and the only reason people don't use them more often is they are pretty obvious.

      There are manure pitchforks. They typically have 11 to 15 tines, and are about as wide as a manure shovel. They aren't very good for hay, because they can grab more than you can easily lift, and the hay doesn't slide off as easily. A 3 to 5 tine pitchfork is fine for most hay applications.

      If you want to stop someone with a pitchfork, adequate use of a stick, or other handled tool can be quite effective. Guns are generally easier since they have better range than your average pitchfork, and people just don't train enough with quarterstaves anymore. And you block a pitchfork just like any other polearm. Granted, most people don't know how to use or defend against polearms any more, not unlike swords (which most amateurs use for simple jabs or slashes and never parrying).

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    37. Re:buy a security system + cameras by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      which makes them quite clumsy, makeshift tools for anything else

      I use my guns for protection (yes, it came up once, dramatically - no shots fired, situation diffused), for dinner (mmm, tasty pheasant and venison!), for dealing with injured or dangerous animals, for challenging sports of several flavors (breaking clay pigeons with shotguns, ringing steel targets with old-school cowboy guns, or my favorite: completely disabling old hard disk drives ... from 200 yards away). I have LAN testing equipment and garden implements that don't do nearly as many things as that. Especially the protection part.

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    38. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 1

      Because pitchforks are tools, mainly made to shovel manure. They are only clumsy, makeshift weapons. Guns are built to propel projectiles at high velocity against a target, which makes them quite clumsy, makeshift tools for anything else

      Boy, I say, boy - I've got just two words for you:

      Pitchfork Gun

      Best of both worlds - moves manure like a demon (just make sure the safety is on or your muck might land in the next county), but someone tries raiding your moonshine still and *blam* - high-velocity pitchfork through the gut.

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    39. Re:buy a security system + cameras by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Woo, shovel manure with a fork...

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    40. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      My cameras aren't discrete, but finding the DVR itself would actually take them awhile even with a sledgehammer and drywall saw. I would be getting an email shortly after the break-in anyway, so even if the cops are slow to get there, I very much doubt they'd have found my DVR by the time they have my house surrounded.

      There's actually two different schools of thought when it comes to cameras - many stores have big obvious camera installations even today because they believe the camera's visibility to be a deterrent. It reminds potential thieves that they're there. A hidden camera might record everything, but if the person doing the stealing is generic scumbag #5, they may not have enough information to track him down and charge him. In order to be effective at catching him, somebody would have to be paying attention to the camera and be ready to intercept at the door.

      So - Visible cameras are more likely to deter a crime while Invisible cameras are more likely to record a crime

      Which one do you want? Personally I'd rather just not deal with the hassle of catching the crook, I'd prefer they just went elsewhere to begin with. One interesting setup I saw was an attempt at both worlds - they had big visible fake or otherwise inoperable cameras placed in various spots, with a number of discretely hidden cameras to do the actual recording - the idea being that if somebody was trying to hide some activity from the visible cameras, they'd actually make themselves highly visible(on average) to the real ones...

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    41. Re:buy a security system + cameras by airdweller · · Score: 1

      You didn't get it. Read again.

    42. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horseshit. A B&E thief just wants a quick buck. The majority of them are not technically savvy enough to get this sort of info out of a computer even with physical access to it. They'd be doing something else less risky if they were.

    43. Re:buy a security system + cameras by v1 · · Score: 1

      Cameras do a lot more than just identify perps. Imagine you get robbed and they catch a guy at the pawn shop with your computer.

      "That wasn't me!"
      1. shows clear picture of perp at your house, including the same cool tshirt he's wearing today. and that tattoo looks identical.

      "I didn't take anything besides this computer!"
      2. shows everything he left your house with, including some things the insurance company is trying to say you falsely added to the claim report.

      "OK so I took a few things. Pit me, I had no money for food!"
      3. cut to near the end when he stops to smoke a rock or two before leaving.

      "nope, nobody but me!"
      4. shows all three of you at the house hauling stuff off

      "they said they'd kill me if I ratted them out, but it wasn't my idea, they made me come with them!"
      5. shows a willing participant, that even appears to be giving directions to the other two, so who's really the mastermind of this theft?

      "I didn't break that, that antique table was like that when we got there, you're just trying to blame me for your busted furniture!'
      6. no, it was fine until you jumped up on it and danced a jig while drinking that bottle of vodka you found in the fridge. And we're adding that to the list of stolen items now, thanks for reminding us about that.

      "ok so I broke a few things. it wasn't on PURPOSE!"
      7. then how do you explain your lighting a rag and tossing it on the carpet just as you leave? fortunately it smoldered and went out and didn't catch the place on fire."

      "ok you got me. but those other places you're trying to pin on me, I had NOTHING to do with those other hits!"
      8. nice list you got out at 22:15, I see you drawing a line through one on the list. We've got forensics working on the image to see if we can get a positive match on the others that are crossed out, some of them are pretty clear even from that distance. Oh wait we found that list in the alley behind your house, good thing we can positively link it with you now, add five more robberies to your docket.

      I could go on for awhile with different sorts of examples of how criminals try to weasel out of things and how cameras can extinguish reasonable doubt, but you get the idea.

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    44. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy such things online for O($10). You can sell a laptop for O($100). Not to mention anyone who's any good isn't going to go to the effort of stealing a computer when you can just lift the information virus-matically with practically 0% chance of being caught.

    45. Re:buy a security system + cameras by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.

      Obviously. I managed to sum up 90% of your post with six words.

      Cameras do a lot more than just identify perps.

      Never said they didn't. Remember start of that sentence? "A hidden camera might record everything". That covers all your items. All I said was that a camera alone might not be ENOUGH to identify a generic criminal sufficiently to effect an arrest and conviction. IE we have too many low level scumbags, not enough officers, and facial recognition software is still too expensive and unreliable to sort through that many faces. We have to put a name to the face before we can send the po-po out to arrest him. Plus, well, even if we have the scumbag's name that doesn't mean we know which of his multitude of friends, relatives, and girlfriends he's shacking up with this week, so finding him to arrest him is something of a challenge(which they aren't going to bother with for petty theft).

      Oh, and #8 shows that you watch too much CSI. Even a high definition camera is going to have difficulty doing anything with a reasonably written 'list', even ID'ing it as a list, unless it's focused directly on it, which a security camera isn't going to be.

      While camera resolution has improved by leaps and bounds over the years, there's still quite a few camera systems out there that actually have WORSE resolution than the old analogy TV's did. You're going to have a hard time ID'ing tattoos or other specific features.

      Most 'generic scum' criminals are stupid, and that's how they get caught, by doing something stupid. I'm not a big enough target to attract the rings and targeted criminals who are actually smart.

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    46. Re:buy a security system + cameras by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They will still subtract 'not worth getting a lawyer and suing' from your check. Every time.

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    47. Re:buy a security system + cameras by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Considering all the other stuff they took, it wasn't just a smash and grab. My guess it's more of the "pull up a van while they are away for a while and clean the place out" type of robbery.

  3. If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They wouldn't have stolen your shit. Just saying...

    1. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Pete+LaGrange · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      wishing I had mod points...

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    2. Re:If you had a Windows computer by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      plus or minus?

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    3. Re:If you had a Windows computer by durrr · · Score: 2, Funny

      To you, minus, to grandparent, plus.

    4. Re:If you had a Windows computer by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Modded funny . . . ? I just got back from a business trip to Brussels. The folks there told me that their office was recently burglarized. The thieves took valuable iPads, but didn't touch worthless ThinkPad W520s.

      So there is value, in having something, that doesn't look valuable.

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    5. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're a true hacker, you'll be able to spy on the thief and possibly ruin their life by exposing facts gleaned from your own machine.

    6. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wouldn't have stolen your shit. Just saying...

      You mean, they'd have been caught redhanded playing solitaire?

    7. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean because of the artificial scarcity of Mac components when compared to the versatility of PCs, yes?

    8. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My basement got robbed, they stole an (relatively expensive) bycicle... and a bag of potting soil. Still wondering how valuable they thought the potting soil would be.

    9. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      there's also, a lot of, commas that make no sense, in your post.

    10. Re:If you had a Windows computer by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft was recently burglairzed (or burgled, if you will). iPads were stolen but not the surfaces.

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    11. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention "an bicycle". Probably what the "an hero" kid would have ridden, I guess.

    12. Re:If you had a Windows computer by PRMan · · Score: 2

      I have an Android tablet that's completely beat up. I could leave that thing sitting in a restaurant and it would be at the front counter when I realized it was gone hours later.

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    13. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention "an bycicle". Probably what the "an hreo" kid would have ridden, I guess.

      FTFY

    14. Re:If you had a Windows computer by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Modded funny . . . ? I just got back from a business trip to Brussels. The folks there told me that their office was recently burglarized. The thieves took valuable iPads, but didn't touch worthless ThinkPad W520s.

      So there is value, in having something, that isnt valuable.

      FTFY

    15. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Applekid · · Score: 1

      My basement got robbed, they stole an (relatively expensive) bycicle... and a bag of potting soil. Still wondering how valuable they thought the potting soil would be.

      Maybe they also ran a grow house?

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    16. Re:If you had a Windows computer by fatphil · · Score: 1

      I have a shitty old IBM T43 laptop (effectively made by Lenovo, but before the brand changed), and for a laugh I stuck a white Apple(tm) logo on it in the same place and orientation as on WankBooks for a laugh. Yes, the laptop's black, and clearly says IBM in the corner, but several people have said "I didn't expect to see you with a Mac!?" when seeing me with it. And I don't expect the average burglar to be any smarter that them. I always lock it away when I leave the flat, even though I know it wouldn't even raise 10e at the pawn shop.

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    17. Re:If you had a Windows computer by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      Actually, they would've felt bad for you and left you a MAC

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    18. Re:If you had a Windows computer by nickscalise · · Score: 1

      Back in the 80s my ex's brother-in-law had the **AM RADIO** stolen from his Chevy Chevette.

      Idiots will steal ANYTHING.

    19. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      burglarized? It's burgled

    20. Re:If you had a Windows computer by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Real-life proof. Even better, it's one of Microsoft's own offices.

    21. Re:If you had a Windows computer by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Thinkpad W520s? You mean laptops which have common business use as well as tracking and biometric software commonly installed and used, and don't have a quick and easy 'factory reset' like an iPad, allowing any idiot to turn them quickly?

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    22. Re:If you had a Windows computer by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Yup. I can leave my ThinkPad T61 4:3 alone in the uni library when I need a break.

      (It's fully encrypted and backed up, so the worst case scenario is having to look for it in the 'used electronics' auctions online.)

  4. Remember that everything will seem like crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I've had to replace any beloved object over the years - a pen, a computer, a bottom-of-the-line mobile phone, a hat - invariably whatever has replaced it seemed like crap for the first month or two. When you get accustomed to the way a particular tool works, then by comparison anything else starts to feel lousy. Look out for this and try to be rational.

  5. Craigslist by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> What would you do if you had to replace ALL of your technology in your house at once?

    Go on Craigslist and buy all your old crap back for ten cents on the dollar.

    1. Re:Craigslist by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Yes, this. Or better yet, by different crap. These days I'd replace all TVs with either projectors or tablets, depending upon room size. Ryko boxes are nice and cheap (under ~$80) and will save you the cable bill, and there is plenty of video available on the web.

      I'd also replace my wired broadband connection at this point with a cellular hot spot I can take with me when the whole family goes on vacation.

      Forget single-use media players; Android or iOS phones replace them entirely.

      And yes, all of this is available on Craigslist from your friendly neighborhood fence, who stole it from your neighbors.

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    2. Re:Craigslist by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why the fuck you would like a projector in 50-60" size? only get a projector if you really need 100"+..
      cellular hotspots suck ass if you compare them to decent wired internet - and if you have data and smartphone you already have one.

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    3. Re:Craigslist by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it's true. We were stolen from (the stuff was outside) ... among other things, a string trimmer/weed whacker/whatever. It popped up on Craigslist later. Pretty sure it was the same one; I actually called and we arranged to meet at a burger joint. I was driving the same car (only car) that was parked when the theft occurred. The guy never showed up nor responded again; presumably, saw the car and took off. It was about 50% off (and advertised as brand new, ha... we'd only used it a couple times...)

    4. Re:Craigslist by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, buy LESS crap. One TV. No sound system. One computer (not a laptop). Ear plugs for when the kids start whining.

    5. Re:Craigslist by xaxa · · Score: 1

      My 4-month old bicycle was stolen from central London in 2009, and turned up on Gumtree a few days later, with all the signs of a stolen bicycle: picture from the website, specification copied, seller called simply "Alex", mobile phone number to arrange to meet "at a station".

      I stuck the phone number into Google, and about 20 listings came back including the same number, from "Pete", "John", "Dave", all stolen bikes, all wanting to meet at the same station.

      I was away from London that week, so couldn't do anything about it myself, but I forwarded the whole lot to the police. They phoned me the next day, and said their "intelligence team" were really impressed with what I'd done...

      (I didn't get my bike back.)

    6. Re:Craigslist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think you are going to watch TV on the internet over a cellular hotspot? First of all, they are usually too slow to support streaming of good quality video. Second of all, you would reach your monthly cap in a day or two. You are talking about several gigabytes of video per day per person in your house, at legal sources, (Hulu, Netflix) quality. Even a few hours of crappy pirated quality TV every day is going to eat your bandwidth cap. In my house we can easily go over 200GB per month, try that on a cellular plan.

    7. Re:Craigslist by Mooney+Driver · · Score: 1

      Unless you live out here in the middle of nowhere. My "broadband" choices are A:high latency, below-advertised-speed satellite, or B: cellular amplifier and antenna setup with an MVNO data plan.

    8. Re:Craigslist by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I live in a 4G area, and T-Mobile actually recommends their new unlimited data plan for people who exceed 5GB. Of course, you've got to get a value plan to get it, but with their new "Bridge to Value" there are all sorts of neat ways to do so.

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    9. Re:Craigslist by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      When I called ... the guy said he had four "new" weed eaters, all of varying degrees of prices ... in the back of his car. All new, mind you. And being sold 30-50% off.

      also, the same person had old CL postings for everything from iPods to chainsaws to an engagement ring and posted under both a guy and girl's name ... :P

  6. Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Guns, Traps, security system that calls the police, pit bulls, and a Chihuahua.. 'murica

    1. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Traps are illegal. It is a typical travesty that a nonlethal trap is illegal, but shooting a home invader in the face is legal. Suffice to say, be ready to shoot them in the face.

      As long as we embrace a culture that continues to increase disparity of wealth, this is going to happen more and more, period the end close the fucking book. It's only going to get worse so long as we do not seek meaningful solutions.

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    2. Re:Traps by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this helps against a burglary when he's away exactly how? (Except that this gets more guns in the hands of criminals in the case of a burglary.)

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    3. Re:Traps by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 2

      Really just commenting to undo mod. I feel that parts of the second half of your comment are flamebait, while the first half is spot on.

    4. Re:Traps by hedwards · · Score: 0

      You mean the folks that oppose even reasonable things like background checks and waiting periods on gun purchases? And hand wave away any effort to introduce reasonable limitation on magazine size?

    5. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      And put the stickers up too, that way the burglars know you have guns to steal. Keeps them away from my house.

    6. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      I would say the opposite.

      You can't always be home to shoot people in the face, but you can always count on the vast wealth disparity and a societies that makes it impossible for criminals to reform to generate new robberies.

    7. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      Banning assault weapons or creating a gun registry aint reasonable, bro. Let your representatives know.. If they want to solve violence lets do it, but it's got to be reasonable in the eyes of more than just the brady campaign.

    8. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      So you are telling me I CAN'T have a trap door in my house????? This is an outrage.

    9. Re:Traps by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Traps cannot discriminate and they cannot make a judgement call on a case-by-case basis. Let's say an investigator tries to enter your house after you have been missing for a while, or maybe you are in the emergency room and your mom breaks in your house to feed your dog and gets maimed in the process. Same reason why drones need a human on the trigger button.

    10. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really just commenting to undo mod. I feel that parts of the second half of your comment are flamebait, while the first half is spot on.

      Please explain which parts are flamebait? I do not propose a solution, only state a fact. We know that poor people commit more crimes, some to survive and some to make themselves feel better about themselves (empowered.) That's not an indictment of poor people, it's an indictment of a system that creates poor people.

      Now, if I declared that I had a solution and that it was the only solution, that would be flamebait. It would also almost certainly be bullshit.

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    11. Re:Traps by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1, Funny

      You mean the folks that oppose even reasonable things like background checks and waiting periods on gun purchases? And hand wave away any effort to introduce reasonable limitation on magazine size?

      You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    12. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Traps cannot discriminate and they cannot make a judgement call on a case-by-case basis.

      That's true for traps based on stone, sand, and water like in an Indiana Jones movie. It's not true any more. Also, I'm explicitly talking about a nonlethal trap, which you would know if you actually read my comment before replying, which would be appreciated next time. A trap that literally traps someone, then perhaps calls the cops repeatedly until they show up so they don't go unnoticed and starve to death. I understand why lethal traps should be illegal, and why if your trap maims someone, you should be held liable.

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    13. Re:Traps by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      you can always count on the vast wealth disparity and a societies that makes it impossible for criminals to reform to generate new robberies.

      That's the part I disagree with. I like to think that it's not my fault that some guy is out robbing. I like to believe that it's his fault he turned to a life of crime.

      I do agree that as a society we make it very hard for convicted criminals to reform. I had an employee that was a convicted of making meth. Did he do bad things, yes, did he pay his time for his crimes, yes. Should it haunt him forever, no.

    14. Re:Traps by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

      If you re-read the comment above, he didn't mention assalut weapons or a gun registry and you didn't respond to the issues he raised.

      It would be pleasant if people on both sides of an issue could actually understand each other and agree that they actaully agree on some things. I guess that would be too much damage to people's world view where one side is "bad" and the other is "good".

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    15. Re:Traps by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Please explain which parts are flamebait? I do not propose a solution, only state a fact. We know that poor people commit more crimes, some to survive and some to make themselves feel better about themselves (empowered.) That's not an indictment of poor people, it's an indictment of a system that creates poor people.

      Now, if I declared that I had a solution and that it was the only solution, that would be flamebait. It would also almost certainly be bullshit.

      At first glance I took offense at "As long as we embrace a culture that continues to increase disparity of wealth". After I reread it, though, I realized that you bring up good points.

    16. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banning assault weapons or creating a gun registry aint reasonable, bro

      Why? WTF do you need an assault weapon for? Hunting? That sounds sporting. An assault weapon has two purposes -- killing people and a penis substitute.

      If they want to solve violence lets do it

      And how do you propose doing that? Because I bet anything you suggest has nothing practical in it.

      but it's got to be reasonable in the eyes of more than just the brady campaign.

      In case you haven't been paying attention, increasingly everybody but the NRA seems to think limits on gun ownership and magazine size is reasonable.

    17. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      That's the part I disagree with. I like to think that it's not my fault that some guy is out robbing. I like to believe that it's his fault he turned to a life of crime.

      It's not all your fault, you only bear a tiny slice of the blame. But it's equally not all his fault. He didn't choose to have people treat him unfairly. We've collectively created a system (which includes you, but it also includes me) which increases disparity of wealth. Average citizens contribute to it by paying their taxes, by giving their money to soulless corporations, and by not asking enough questions which leads to more of the same kind of behavior. We seldom ask the questions whose answers we fear, but those are the questions we must ask if we are to move forward.

      Figuring out where to place the blame is useful in fully describing the problem, but it's only the first step. Even if it were all his fault, we would still have the responsibility of finding a solution if we want the problem solved.

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    18. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You might like to think that. I however know that most of those folks had few chances, and likely no one showing them the ones they had. Sure they are now bad people but we make it damn hard for parts of our society to be good people. They could have done different but so could I. If I was arrested for any of the stuff I did in college I would have a much harder life now. All of my friends agree with that, I would say 99% of people who went to college and are being truthful would have too. Just being at a party where someone is doing coke in the bathroom can instantly close a lot of doors if the cops show up.

      A big one is no student loans for those with drug convictions. Which means they are stuck with menial jobs at best if they can get hired. This is exactly the opposite of what our society needs to be doing. We need to get people who made bad decisions on the road to the right decisions. We need to reform not punish.

      I don't think we can, we have a huge portion of people who like it this way. They want to feel superior, they want an underclass. They want to punish the poor, they would rather seek revenge than give someone a chance to reform. No matter if it costs more they would rather be vindictive children.

    19. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An assault weapon has two purposes -- killing people and a penis substitute.

      Or you can just shoot it at the range like a normal human being you stupid fuckhead.

    20. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is actually illegal to shoot someone in the face. It doesn't matter if you're in your house. The only way you can get away with murder like that is if its proven you were in a possibility of absolute physical harm. Like he had a gun in your face or something.

      If they just back a truck up to you house and start unloading your goods, you actually can't stop them. You can, however, call the cops and say "someone is stealing all my goods with a truck" and I'm sure they'll come to your house pretty fast. But if you just start shooting, you're going to get arrested and put in prison, even if you think you shouldn't be.

      Source: I work at a pawn shop and I have to talk to cops all the time, I asked them about this once.

    21. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr - "The way to stop people stealing is to get the government to steal people's money and redistribute it."

      Good plan - institutionalize the theft and let the government do it on your behalf!

    22. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      I'm all for background checks, but you can't require it on private sales w/out a registry.. Also the things he might think are reasonable maybe they are, but it's not the only thing going into the proposed bill. I'm just referring to what is on the table currently.. The feinstin bill is not reasonable in any way shape or form.

    23. Re:Traps by emho24 · · Score: 1

      You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

      I just heard that in my head after reading your post, my first smile of a fairly stressful day!

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    24. Re:Traps by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      It's only going to get worse so long as we do not seek meaningful solutions.

      It might even get so bad that we'll be overrun with encyclopedia salesmen.

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    25. Re:Traps by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      Don't let the logic get in the way of someone's personal agenda.

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    26. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      That aint right brotato.. Someone steps foot on your property by forceful entry you can kill the shit out of them and not be charged.. Source: common knowlege, internet Also I've noticed cops don't know the law very well like you noticed.. all the more reasons we need traps and guns.

    27. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sure it does those are all reasonable things. That I as a gun owner fully support.

      Why do you think they are not reasonable?

    28. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can.

      You merely make the law that says all private sales must be done at a dealer and with a background check. Sure people can violate that law, but that is the case with all laws. Most people will not violate the law. Once that is normal most people would not even consider such an arrangement.

      On the other hand I see no problem with a registry either, we register cars, property deeds, all kinds of stuff.

    29. Re:Traps by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I used the word "maim" instead of "kill". Maybe you should read my comment next time before replying. Or maybe you shouldn't presume I didn't read your post. I don't know what kind of nonlethal trap you had in mind. A giant cage? Care to elaborate?

    30. Re:Traps by Pope · · Score: 2

      Dang, Where are all these soulful corporations when you need them?

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    31. Re:Traps by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Learn the phrase 'I felt my life was in danger'. It goes miles.

      You don't know the burglars aren't armed.

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    32. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      If you re-read the comment above, he didn't mention assalut weapons or a gun registry

      Well, one of the concerns is...that there is NOT anything being mentioned in the 'common sense' discussions pertaining to federal, national background check databases being mandated to not keep and retain citizen information about said checks and what guns they are buying. This could too easily turn into a national gun registration, anyone should be able to see this concern, and I'm pretty sure many on the far left would be assuming this information would be collected AND saved.

      These background checks might be a bit more palateable to the gun rights advocates if this type of specific language requiring that no information after the check would ever be retained were put into the argument for this.

      If it was assured that once a check was completed, that all information was, by law, irrevocably deleted...and that somehow the law was such that future legislation could not remove this restriction on the govt without removing the entire law and requiring it to be re-argued...I think many more people could get behind this.

      One other personal concern of mine tho...is how this would affect private individuals selling their guns. I'd hate to see this requirement put in a middle man to sell the guns. I've always bought my guns used from friends and some strangers with cash and never have had to register any of my guns sales with any govt entity (except one state where I registered some for my concealed carry license). If I'm a lawful gun owning citizen, the govt has no need to know what or how many weapons I own.

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    33. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 2

      Here in lies the problem.. All you are doing it making it annoying for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS while criminals don't give a hoot. And a registry is a TERRIBLE thing.. Here in lies problem #2. That is one of the MOST unreasonable suggestions, but the other side thinks it's reasonable. Hence my point. We have to come up with solutions that the majority thinks is reasonable.. Right now nothing will get done because the dems want a 10,000 page crazy bill to move through and it's just not going to happen. So instead of solving something we solve nothing because the focus is on the wrong things. Guns are here, guns are queer, get use to them.

    34. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Why? WTF do you need an assault weapon for?

      Because it is a free country and I want one for whatever legal purposes I like to use one.

      Collector

      Target practice (some of us just like to drop a few hundred rounds at the gun range or on private land from time to time for entertainment).

      Home protection.

      Aside from that, however, are the broad definitions being used for "Assault Weapon".

      From reading the Feinstein bill, it appears most any semi-automatic weapon could potentially be banned, allowing only single shot, bolt action (rifles) or revolvers (handguns) weapons.

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    35. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      But, there's always been poor people, and yet, over human existance with haves and have nots, not all of the have nots resort to crime..??

      I think a lot of todays crime we see, is because we've been somehow imparting on the poor, that they are entitled to something, which just is NOT the case.

      If you don't go out, try, or if you plain old fail, you lose and don't get nor deserve the nice 'bling' or toys that weathy people can readily afford.

      Life is tough..and it owes individuals nothing, but somewhere along the line, people lost this knowledge and seem to think they deserve nice things, even when they've not earned them. And yes, everyone starts at different levels in life, so have to struggle more than others, but this is nothing new with human life.

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    36. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      It is actually illegal to shoot someone in the face. It doesn't matter if you're in your house. The only way you can get away with murder like that is if its proven you were in a possibility of absolute physical harm. Like he had a gun in your face or something.

      If they just back a truck up to you house and start unloading your goods, you actually can't stop them. You can, however, call the cops and say "someone is stealing all my goods with a truck" and I'm sure they'll come to your house pretty fast. But if you just start shooting, you're going to get arrested and put in prison, even if you think you shouldn't be.

      Depends on which state you live in. In some states what you described is perfectly LEGAL.

      I think in TX for instance, and other states, there are laws saying you do NOT have to retreat when in your own house, and anyone breaking into your house justifies lethal response.

      And you can't depend on juries to go against the defendant if he shot someone stealing property. A few years before Katrina, out in New Orleans east, a man heard some people breaking into his car parked outside his apt. He went to the balcony and opened fire on them, one ran off, the other was killed in the car.

      The police tried to try him..the jury acquitted the shooter, saying basically that his car was an extension of his household and he could defend his property.

      I have no problem with this...one less thief in the world now.

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    37. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      LAW ABIDING CITIZENS is the default state, that means those are the people who become criminals.

      If I today decide to start selling drugs, I as a previously LAW ABIDING CITIZEN own several firearms, I can then use those in my new criminal enterprise. I won't, but other people do. The majority does not find those things unreasonable in my state, and I am not sure about in the country.

    38. Re:Traps by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      You can easily require background checks without a registry. Just don't record the background check, or delete the record after a few months. It's still useful to law enforcement. Why?

      Most bad-guy guns go through a handfull of routes, when law enforcement notices one of these gun dealers/"private collectors"/etc. all they have to do to shut him down is send an informant who'd fail the check to the suspected dealer, and of said informant gets a gun the dealer gets busted. Hopefully wth records showing who else he's armed...

    39. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also agree that social issues are caused by social failures and it's society's fault, not the individual. Criminals are as much the victims as the people they target.

    40. Re:Traps by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      Because in countries where they enacted a gun registery, it lead to confiscation. First the government asked for an accounting of who had what. Then they knew who to target and what remove. Easy as pie.

    41. Re:Traps by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      He didn't mention any kind of record keeping by any federal agency. Maybe by brining it up, he was anticipating that being a part of it, but assuming ill will of the other party gets you nowere in civilized debate.

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    42. Re:Traps by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      We know that poor people commit more crimes

      Are you sure you don't mean "commit more obvious crimes"? Or did you mean quantity rather than per capita?

    43. Re:Traps by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Says who? If you are for background checks, but don't like the idea of a registry, you should advocate for a background check without a registry. Not advocate agains all registries.

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    44. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 2

      Background checks are fine, but not for private sales. We have lots of tough gun laws on the books that are not enforced.. If you are caught selling drugs with a gun in your possession it's an automatic 5 year sentence.. That is not happening. Why? Because our jails are full of non violent drug offenders. We can afford to lock this many people up. Bottom line the problems starts with the parents, continues with our jacked up school system, fueled by the prohibition, and bleeds onto society. Doesn't start with guns. Wont be solved by banning them or putting a limit on magazine size lol.

    45. Re:Traps by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Please explain which parts are flamebait? I do not propose a solution, only state a fact. We know that poor people commit more crimes, some to survive and some to make themselves feel better about themselves (empowered.) That's not an indictment of poor people, it's an indictment of a system that creates poor people.

      Now, if I declared that I had a solution and that it was the only solution, that would be flamebait. It would also almost certainly be bullshit.

      I don't know that poor people commit more crimes. Some criminals are forced into crime because they need something that they can't legally get true, some people commit crimes because they think they're too clever to play by the rules. Some become top-level executives or go into government.

    46. Re:Traps by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Holding someone against their will is still kidnapping.

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    47. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I disagree all sales should have to be done with an FFL holder standing in between.

      Most of our laws have jail time when they don't need it. Nonviolent crimes should not involve jail time, just community service and fines if you could never do enough community service. This is also more fair than fines since 1 hour is the same to everyman but $1 is not. As an example I think Madoff should have had all his property sold, banned from any work relating to banking or investment and forced to do community service for 8 hours a day 5 days a week until he dies.

    48. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your non-lethal trap incapacitates a firefighter trying to save your flaming house, is that better than you shooting an intruder? That's why the law exists, to protect people who have legitimate reasons to enter your house from your short shortsightedness.

    49. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both the poor and rich commit crimes. The poor steal from a few people who have more than they do. The rich steal from a large number of people who have less.

    50. Re:Traps by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Glad to be of service!

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    51. Re:Traps by jandrese · · Score: 1

      A nonlethal trap that will contain a guy carrying a gun and/or knife is harder to make than you might think. Iron bars that fly down can easily break bones/sever arteries. Deadfalls are always dangerous. Tazers kill dozens of people every year and don't last very long anyway. Cloth nets/bags are useless against a guy with a knife. A properly non-lethal trap is a very difficult design challenge, especially since it has to be hidden and smart enough not to trigger on you, your family, your pets, police, etc...

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    52. Re:Traps by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Sure it does those are all reasonable things. That I as a gun owner fully support.

      Why do you think they are not reasonable?

      What is it that you claim is reasonable? OP doesn't name any specifics, only stating their belief that the people who oppose the things he supports are, allegedly, being unreasonable.

      In short, for all we know, OP's idea of a reasonable waiting period is 1000 years, and a reasonable limitation on magazine sizes is 1 round. Hence my objection: reasonable is a purely subjective, emotion-based term, and should not be the basis for legislation.

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    53. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you don't mean "commit more obvious crimes"? Or did you mean quantity rather than per capita?

      Well actually, most of the crimes perpetrated by the rich are pretty obvious. But I do in fact mean by quantity, not quality.

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    54. Re:Traps by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I think some waiting periods are reasonable. I think some magazine limits are reasonable. I think 24 is the correct number for both. Hours and rounds. I think everything is subjective and I bet you would really hate the alternative.

      The alternative would be to operate on a science based least harm perspective. I would prefer that, but then you would find all kinds of illegal things made legal and regulated, and the opposite. You had better believe kids would be getting educated on sex in school and everyone would have to get their shots under that kind of system.

    55. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It is actually illegal to shoot someone in the face.

      Like everything else, this depends highly upon the details.

      It doesn't matter if you're in your house.

      It very much does matter if you're in your house.

      The only way you can get away with murder like that is if its proven you were in a possibility of absolute physical harm. Like he had a gun in your face or something.

      That is not the standard. The standard is whether you could reasonably believe you were in immediate danger.

      If they just back a truck up to you house and start unloading your goods, you actually can't stop them.

      That might be true in some states, but it is not even true in California.

      You can, however, call the cops and say "someone is stealing all my goods with a truck" and I'm sure they'll come to your house pretty fast.

      Who told you that?

      But if you just start shooting, you're going to get arrested and put in prison, even if you think you shouldn't be.

      False dichotomy. There is ground between not doing anything, and simply opening fire. Step one: Execute citizen's arrest. Step two: You now have the legal right to use necessary force to execute the arrest. ObDisclaimer: I have no idea how this works in any state but California, in which I have formerly been a licensed security guard, for which I had to know this stuff. In practice this means if they run away you let them, but you now have a valid reason to be in that situation with a loaded weapon (for your own protection while executing the arrest.) In California, any citizen at least (not sure about non-residents, I don't know which term was used, and I'm not looking it up now sorry) may execute an arrest if they witness a misdemeanor or have reason to believe that a felony has been committed. In practice, if you didn't actually see it, don't try to make an arrest. Call the cops. And, it would be wisest by far to have a video record, because if it comes down to your word against theirs, then it comes down to the quality of your lawyer, what the jury and judge's personal visceral reactions to someone who looks and sounds like you might be, et cetera. That's always a factor but I'd rather have some meaningful evidence on my side.

      Source: I work at a pawn shop and I have to talk to cops all the time, I asked them about this once.

      No wonder you didn't log in. "I talked to a cop once and this is what he said" is a really pathetic basis on which to make declarative statements.

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    56. Re:Traps by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      In that case why bring it up? Or why not simply say "the more people there are, the more crimes they'll commit" instead of stigmatizing a massive amount of people?

      If you were to catalogue every single crime committed in the span of a year, I'm pretty sure the only ones who haven't committed a crime in some way are people who've been in a coma the entire time, and probably not even all of those.

    57. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you understand how Magical Gun Rays can help Protect People just by being there?

      Some days it's like you're not even living in America.

    58. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      In that case why bring it up?

      Why not bring it up? Are we too embarrassed as a nation to look at the problem of creating impoverished classes and keeping them that way, and the inevitable results?

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    59. Re:Traps by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      And this helps against a burglary when he's away exactly how? (Except that this gets more guns in the hands of criminals in the case of a burglary.)

      Now that we know you've pre-planned and thought this out, removing the obstacles in your way, would you like to be a burglar or security consultant?

    60. Re:Traps by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

      I'm not for background checks for private sales. It creates too many laws. For example I bought my dad a shot gun for xmas one year. Under feinstin law I would spend 5 years in jail lol. So piss on that back ground check for private sales. I think if you are a dealer at a gun show you should be doing back ground checks.. The laws should focus on the people dealing out the guns. Not citizens who aren't the ones selling them all in the first place. There are laws about trafficking guns already. A law banning private sale of guns wont solve the trafficking problem.

    61. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you re-read the comment above, he didn't mention assalut weapons or a gun registry and you didn't respond to the issues he raised.

      It would be pleasant if people on both sides of an issue could actually understand each other and agree that they actaully agree on some things. I guess that would be too much damage to people's world view where one side is "bad" and the other is "good".

      If the anti-gun side wins, it's a loss of rights. If a compromise is reached, it's still a loss of rights. This is the key to why compromise is unpalatable to pro-rights persons.

    62. Re:Traps by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I think some waiting periods are reasonable. I think some magazine limits are reasonable. I think 24 is the correct number for both. Hours and rounds.

      See, you gave specifics, and sure enough, they're at least partially reasonable (I disagree with magazine limitations in general, as there is no known statistical correlation between large magazine ownership and negative social behavior).

      A world of difference between what you've posted, and what OP said originally.

      I think everything is subjective and I bet you would really hate the alternative.

      1 - for the most part, though I feel it's safe to say that certain social mores are truly objective (aka, murder/theft is morally incorrect), and 2 - depends; I would need to hear the alternative first.

      The alternative would be to operate on a science based least harm perspective. I would prefer that, but then you would find all kinds of illegal things made legal and regulated, and the opposite. You had better believe kids would be getting educated on sex in school and everyone would have to get their shots under that kind of system.

      I prefer logic based myself, but science based is close enough, and a much better solution than the 'knee-jerk, emotional reaction' method currently employed.

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    63. Re:Traps by Applekid · · Score: 1

      From reading the Feinstein bill, it appears most any semi-automatic weapon could potentially be banned, allowing only single shot, bolt action (rifles) or revolvers (handguns) weapons.

      And when the next maniac lets loose with some of the remaining "legal" weapons, which is an absolute certainty, count on the rest of the guns being banned. That's how the UK did it.

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    64. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really just commenting to undo mod. I feel that parts of the second half of your comment are flamebait, while the first half is spot on.

      Please explain which parts are flamebait? I do not propose a solution, only state a fact. We know that poor people commit more crimes, some to survive and some to make themselves feel better about themselves (empowered.) That's not an indictment of poor people, it's an indictment of a system that creates poor people.

      Now, if I declared that I had a solution and that it was the only solution, that would be flamebait. It would also almost certainly be bullshit.

      We know that poor people get caught committing more crimes.

    65. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      but assuming ill will of the other party gets you nowere in civilized debate.

      But, you almost have to in this day in age.

      There is rarely a law passed in the past couple of decades, that has NOT been stretched and used in new and inventive ways that spirit of the original law was not intended for....

      The RICO acts have been stretched in recent years for charging people beyond what they were originally intended for...and not long back, that Mom who teased a girl bad enough that the girl committed suicide, they tried using hacking laws and all to convict her. Sure, it was a reprehensible thing for the grown lady to do, but the prosecutors mad that there was no law on the books against this...started trying to really stretch and bastardize existing laws far beyond their intent to try to charge this lady.

      So, if there is a law passed giving govt more power, down the line, it is almost always safe to assume, they will want to use it for new and more creative uses or just plain outright abuse it.

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    66. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang, Where are all these soulful corporations when you need them?

      They get routinely ridiculed for believing in an invisible man in the sky. Churches used to be a really important part of the community, tying it together and instilling a brotherhood, and saying things like "hey, maybe you should love your brother instead of coveting his stuff?" Not to say that crime didn't happen because it did, not to say that poverty didn't happen because it did, but rather there used to be a community that you were kind of accountable towards, and your neighbors had names and you knew who they were. CEOs are able to be relentlessly greedy because they don't have to see the faces of those they rob from, and especially not side by side in a house of worship.

      The side effect of the rise of atheism is that people reject EVERYTHING about a religion, not just the corrupt side of the organization, not just the mythology, not just the tax exempt status. The focus should be on "look, it's not science, don't teach it as science" and not "you're stupid for believing."

    67. Re:Traps by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      My car is registered in the state in which I reside, not with the federal government. I also have a vehicle that is not registered as I don't drive it on public roads. I know a lot of other people as well who have vehicles that are not registered with the state who do not drive them on public roads.

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    68. Re:Traps by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      "But, you almost have to in this day in age."

      Which is why our government sucks. We have no civilized debate.

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    69. Re:Traps by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Suffice to say, be ready to shoot them in the face.

      Anyone who aims at the face (or any other peripheral) shouldn't be trusted to own a gun - you aim at center of mass unless he's wearing obvious body-armour (and then you still put the first couple shots into center of mass to knock him down before you change point of aim to his head - at which point he continues to lie there quietly till the police show up).

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    70. Re:Traps by a1cypher · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's like a fake alarm permit or the blinking light people put in their cars. If you get an NRA sticker and slap it in your window maybe a would be criminal will think twice about hitting your house and move on to the neighbours.

    71. Re:Traps by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Most bad-guy guns go through a handfull of routes, when law enforcement notices one of these gun dealers/"private collectors"/etc. all they have to do to shut him down is send an informant who'd fail the check to the suspected dealer, and of said informant gets a gun the dealer gets busted. Hopefully wth records showing who else he's armed...

      Note that you have just described the current system, which has been in effect for decades.

      Note that it works pretty well (unless the dealer has been told by BATFE to sell the guns to known criminals - Fast & Furious, anyone?).

      Note that part of what makes it work are that the Dealer IS required to keep records of sales, even if BATFE is forbidden by law to keep records of background checks.

      Note further that BATFE has been dinged several times in the last 20 years for ILLEGALLY keeping NICS records.

      Once the government has shown that it can't be trusted to obey its own laws, why should you trust it to obey more expansive laws?

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    72. Re:Traps by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      only state a fact

      Fact: Violent crime has gone steadily down for many years now. Pretending it hasn't so you can complain that the government doesn't hand out enough of other people's money is just embarrassing. Come on, now.

      We know that poor people commit more crimes

      And most of it has nothing whatsoever to do with taking cash from the person who has it for the sake of that cash, right then and there, but rather it's turf war killings over crime territory. And again, this has been going down for 20+ years.

      Now, if I declared that I had a solution and that it was the only solution, that would be flamebait.

      Unless it was correct. But because you seem to be operating on some strangely mixed premises and bad information ...

      It would also almost certainly be bullshit.

      ... I will agree with that part.

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    73. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traps are illegal because of the potential danger to innocent people, as there are certain cases where a stranger might need to enter your house. For example, if your house catches fire, then even a nonlethal trap might endanger a fire fighter who needs to enter the house to save anyone who can't escape/stop the fire from spreading/etc.

    74. Re:Traps by mrvan · · Score: 1

      Dang, Where are all these soulful corporations when you need them?

      They used to be in your village main streets and downtown areas (assuming you're American).

      Soulful corporations, or at least soulful businesses, are the mom n pop shops and other small shopkeepers and small professionals that keep an urban area vibrant. By driving to the big box stores outside the city, we as customers are killing local retail and replacing it with soulless corporations. Even in Europe, where the problem is less far progressed, most small villages no longer have any services left. In the States, as far as I've seen, outside the major ("liberal") urban centers, the only services left are usually large chain-stores in industrial zones with large parking lots, leading to a complete dependence on cars and a death of the old small stores and corresponding values and social safety

    75. Re:Traps by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      People have always weighed "Is it worth it". We all have our price. Ask all of your civilized friends if they would spend 6 months in jail if they could walk away with 20 million dollars. Unless you are very wealthy, you will find that most if not all of them would say yes. The problem with wealth disparity is that the rewards for crime keep going up while the penalties stay the same. The larger the wealth disparity, the more people that fall into the "It's worth it" camp.

      Around here, you have people who make $20k/year living just a couple of blocks away from people making $500k/year. Really, I am surprised at just how honest most people are, and how few of them turn to crime.

    76. Re:Traps by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The problem with a registry is that there really are people (some of them in positions of power) that want a registry specifically for the purpose of taking away guns. I am not saying that everyone that wants a registry is in that group, but it doesn't take everyone. Once the registry is created, there is no undoing it. If there was a way to make sure that the registry was not abuse, you would probably find that a lot more people would support it. Unfortunately, I can't fathom any way to make sure a registry was not abused.

      When you compare registering a gun to any of your other examples, consider, how many of the other examples have lots of vocal organizations bent on outlawing the objects.

    77. Re:Traps by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      The side effect of the rise of atheism is that people reject EVERYTHING about a religion, not just the corrupt side of the organization, not just the mythology, not just the tax exempt status. The focus should be on "look, it's not science, don't teach it as science" and not "you're stupid for believing."

      Some religions are fine things. They don't hassle people, and they put money back into their community. Some religions are bullshit. They hassle people, and they basically steal from their community, and they may also rape some members of it while they're at it. A problem, of course, is that the latter deprecate the former, and some of those latter are legally recognized. The very fact that we can have legally recognized religions, and that they are granted rights above belief systems which are not legally recognized, is a violation of the first amendment of the constitution. What we should do is legally recognize no religions, and let religions be treated like any other group that collects and disburses funds. If they want to be treated as a nonprofit, let them file for nonprofit status and be judged on their merits as anyone else applying for such status is supposed to be judged.

      As for the rights that members of certain religions enjoy, like not being forced to work on their holy days or being able to consume substances not permitted for others, these are rights which we all should enjoy, or which none should. I'm torn on the issue of holy days; I'm clear that government should not tell us what we should be able to do with our bodies, especially if our bodies are our temples. Let us worship in them as we will.

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    78. Re:Traps by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Well, not all of their shots. Everyone would be getting their polio vaccine, but they would stop giving children the chicken pox vaccine. That would be reserved for adults who didn't catch it wild.

    79. Re:Traps by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      He won't need any of this. For 10K he should be able to afford a shark pool and a pussycat to pet. That and some evil laughter will suffice to keep the burglars away.

    80. Re:Traps by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      LAW ABIDING CITIZENS is the default state, that means those are the people who become criminals.

      In most cases, criminals who commit violent crimes are career criminals, with a raft of arrests/convictions.

      If you haven't been arrested by the time you're ~25, the odds that you'll be arrested at all will drop tremendously. If you're arrested as a teenager, the odds you'll be arrested as an adult are an OOM or more higher than somebody who didn't get arrested.

      The average rapist commits 15-16 rapes on average before being caught(per my recent SARC briefing). I imagine that the ratio is even worse for 'mere' burglars.

      Less than 20% of criminals get their guns legally(IE before they have the felony criminal record). Felony guns that were obtained at a gun show are less than 4%, and 'private sale' is so small of a category it's not even specifically mentioned.

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    81. Re:Traps by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Learn the phrase 'I felt my life was in danger'. It goes miles.

      That is a very stupid thing to say. When the police show up, you should say precisely four words:

      1. I
      2. want
      3. a
      4. lawyer.

      For an explanation why, watch this.

    82. Re:Traps by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Ok, that is a fair and honest response. Its a starting point for a good conversation.

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    83. Re:Traps by airdweller · · Score: 1

      Are you going to to consistent and say that mortars, flamethrowers, howitzers, tanks, aircraft carriers, nuclear bombs and components, sarin, phosgene, GB, VX, anthrax spores, etc. should be available to the general public? After all, it's a free country and you might be a collector, right?

    84. Re:Traps by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Or the opposite: that your house is a good place to steal a gun from.

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    85. Re:Traps by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      My point was that everybody commits crimes, no matter their social and economic status, and that singling out poor people isn't constructive in any way.

    86. Re:Traps by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      The problem is, the second a law is passed requiring private-party background checks with no recording requirements, the people whose goal it is to ban as many firearms as possible will start pushing for an amendment to start retaining the records. Now you have a registry with very little effort, because the entire system has been put into place.

      Or, they get people elected or appointed into key positions who will look the other way when those records are retained even when they are not supposed to retain them.

    87. Re:Traps by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Unless the deletion of the records is specifically addressed, such a law would allow the creation of a registry.

      Government legislation is now default allow, not default deny as was originally intended.

    88. Re:Traps by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      This debate would be so much easier if people would actually read what the other side says, rather then simply assuming everyone who is not actively agreeing with every word they say is a moron who needs to b slapped down.

      To quote myself, with relevant bits bolded:

      gun dealers/"private collectors"/etc.

      "Private collectors," etc. do not have to do background checks. If the ATF finds out one of them sold a gun to a felon, oh well. Under the current that is supposed to happen.

    89. Re:Traps by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Of course when the laws change what people lobby will change. That's kinda the entire point of changing the law. That doesn't mean those lobbyists will necessarily win. If you have 41 Senators who oppose a registry today, and you make sure they oppose a registry tomorrow you're fine. Background checks are simply irrelevant to what happens in the next vote.

      In the long-term thinking like this is likely to hurt the gun rights movement. If Mr. Median Voter likes gun rights, AND like background checks, but the Gun Rights activists all tell him he's the tip of the spear of an evil anti-gun conspiracy for supporting background checks; eventually he's gonna choose between the two. And there's a 50-50 shot he chooses to end the Second Amendment.

    90. Re:Traps by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Are you going to to consistent and say that mortars, flamethrowers, howitzers, tanks, aircraft carriers, nuclear bombs and components, sarin, phosgene, GB, VX, anthrax spores, etc. should be available to the general public? After all, it's a free country and you might be a collector, right?

      Actually, as I read it...we probably should be allowed to own them.

      Those rights weren't put there so much for self defense or hunting, but for protection against the government itself.

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    91. Re:Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your definition of reasonable and mine probably differ greatly.
      You might as well say "how could anyone reject the reasonable deliciousness of a lutefisk sandwich?"

    92. Re:Traps by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      This.

    93. Re:Traps by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Why is the silly "take something to the extreme" argument always used? It's like arguing with my Dad, where everything is black or white, no gray.

    94. Re:Traps by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      This is, officially, the first time I've ever heard the term "brotato". Thanks!

    95. Re:Traps by airdweller · · Score: 1

      1. Look up reductio ad absurdum.
      2. "Extreme" is subjective.
      3. If you think it's "like arguing with my Dad, where everything is black or white, no gray", you didn't understand it.

    96. Re:Traps by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Performing a citizen's arrest is holding someone against their will and not kidnapping. Note, I'm not addressing whether an inanimate object can perform an arrest on the homeowner's behalf, but just your incorrect statement that holding someone is necessarily kidnapping.

    97. Re:Traps by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The cops are wrong. They are trained to arrest anyone who shoots anyone for any reason. They don't see when the case is immediately dropped. Also, it's very location dependent. In Texas, you can shoot someone in the back without warning. Souce: Texas law (not some person who is explicitly barred by law from offering legal advice, so they don't ever learn the law).

    98. Re:Traps by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I think in TX for instance, and other states, there are laws saying you do NOT have to retreat when in your own house, and anyone breaking into your house justifies lethal response.

      In fact, Texas goes so far as to affirm your right to interrupt a crime in progress, so long as it's a crime where remediation is unlikely (unknown robber running away with your things, so you'll never see it again if you don't stop them, so no, you can't shoot someone you can solidly identify in that situation), so long as you think that your interruption could lead to threat of grave bodily harm. In practice, this allows you to, by law, shoot someone in the back if you catch them in the act of letting the air out of your tires (so long as it's night).

  7. Shotgun and big scary dog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should be able to get a top of the line shotgun, as well as a top of the line guard dog and have plenty of money left for obedience, guard school.

    Oh and a nice sign that simply says "This dog is merely the first layer of my home defense."

    1. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are aware that guns are a prime target of thieves?

      The dog may be a good idea, but guns are not nearly as good for home defense as people make them out to be. Especially since robbers do not rob you when you are home. They wait till you leave, then rob you.

      You want to get an attacker (and everyone else) out of your house fast? Then use pepper spray.

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    2. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by camperdave · · Score: 2

      You should be able to get a top of the line shotgun

      Why? So they can steal all of his high tech gear AND the shotgun? Guns only work when there's someone there to point and shoot them* and if there's someone there to point and shoot them, the burglars wouldn't be there in the first place.

      *Cue the links to automatic, self-aiming sentry guns.

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    3. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Fallingcow · · Score: 2

      But if the burglars are too busy stealing your guns, they might skip over your electronics.

      So that advice made sense after all!

    4. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a number of states you need the same license to carry pepper spray as you do to carry a gun. I live in one of them. It's fucking insane.

    5. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Especially since robbers do not rob you when you are home. They wait till you leave, then rob you.

      Tell that to my neighbor who was robbed at gunpoint in her kitchen with her 5 year old son next to her. The robber got off lucky. If he had done it 2 hours later, I would have been coming home from work, and at the time this happened I kept a gun in my truck.

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    6. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by franciscohs · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Oh yes, because interfering on a situation where a person and his 5 year old daughter are pointed up at gunpoint is going to end up well, sure... the BEST you can do in a situation like this is to just let them take whatever they want. Unless someone is at risk or the situation is going beyond the robbery, it's not worth the risk to do anything about it.

    7. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Thank you for mentioning one of the least likely ways your home would be robbed.

      Home invasions do happen, but they tend to be planned better than regular robberies and are perpetrated by more experienced robbers since the risks are much greater. How do you think your neighbor would have done against an experienced robber with a gun? Think she would still be alive?

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    8. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Entropius · · Score: 4, Informative

      If they're robbing you, you're there. If you're not there, they're burgling you.

    9. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Oh yes, because interfering on a situation where a person and his 5 year old daughter are pointed up at gunpoint is going to end up well, sure... the BEST you can do in a situation like this is to just let them take whatever they want. Unless someone is at risk or the situation is going beyond the robbery, it's not worth the risk to do anything about it.

      If I see someone like that held at gunpoint, I would assume the situation was already beyond just robbery...and I'd unload on them if given the opportunity. I'd not even stop to ask questions till I was changing clips and the criminal was laying still in a pool of his own blood.

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    10. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      And what about safes? Kinda undermines the whole argument doesn't it.

    11. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      And you would have known to go to her kitchen how, precisely? Presumably it's not visible from your driveway.

      I've lived in high-crime areas. The bad guy chooses when to strike, and he's gonna make a point of striking when your gun ain't around.

    12. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by franciscohs · · Score: 0

      Many robberies are committed at gunpoint or another kind of weapon as a deterrent for the victim to try anything stupid. I know the situation is a delicate one, but very often everything will end up without personal harm if you just stay quiet and let them do whatever they want and very simple things could turn things up into something much more serious, someone entering the scene with a gun, unless 100% effective, would be disastrous.
      Obviously, you have to know what place you live on and how are the crimes on that area/country, if you live in an extremely violent place where they'll shoot you anyway, I'd say please come and interfere, but if that's not the case I'd prefer you stay out of it instead of endangering us with your heroic gesture.

    13. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 1

      How would a safe undermine the argument?

      Are we talking about keeping the guns in a safe, or all valuables in a safe?

      Is the safe a floor safe that cannot be removed, or is it bolted to the wall so that is hard to removed, or is it just sitting there?

      So, what about safes?

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    14. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      You said guns are a prime target of thieves. That's true. It's why us gun owners keep them in big heavy safes. The one's that don't are negligent.

      Pepper spray as your home defense option? *eye roll*

      Tell that to this mother: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-Kz3vU5DY

    15. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 1

      You said guns are a prime target of thieves. That's true. It's why us gun owners keep them in big heavy safes. The one's that don't are negligent.

      Good for you keeping it in a safe, make sure the safe itself is not stolen. A house across from mine got cleaned out before being sold. Every appliance was removed, and to remove them they had to take out the door frame in the garage. Even the direct neighbors did not notice it till morning when we all saw the empty houses garage door open. Also if you have a small gun safe, make sure it is bolted to the wall or it may not work properly at all.

      Tell that to this mother: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-Kz3vU5DY

      Now just because someone shot someone, that doesn't mean that killing people is the solution to the problem. Besides its not like you have to keep the pepper spray in a safe where it can be difficult to get to, you can keep it right next to the door with no worries about someone killing someone with it. And if an attacker gets a hold of it and is stupid enough to spray it indoors, he will soon leave.

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    16. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      I would strongly encourage you to talk to your local police about the effectiveness of pepper spray. It's not something you bet your life on, and doesn't work on some people. It's a good tool in the toolkit, but you need a backup plan if that doesn't stop them. Or just look at the armed defense literature or take a local defense class. Pepper spray is great and has it's use, but not as your only armed option. Yeah, I bolt it all down. Amazes me to see small safes in peoples' homes that aren't bolted. A burglar doesn't need to break the safe, just take it away to break later. Someone this is over peoples' heads. haha

    17. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Very true.

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    18. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Oh, and there is more than one reason why those gun safes need to be bolted down.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2012/07/27/unsafe-gun-safes-can-be-opened-by-a-three-year-old/

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    19. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a gun instructor once who would have slapped you upside the head for what you just wrote.

      He gave us a hypothetical situation once. You're in a parking garage late at night and you're conceal-carrying. You hear a woman scream. When you get to the source of the noise see a large man dragging a petite lady by the hair. What do you do?

      At that point 90% of the class would get in John Wayne mode and answer something along the lines of "I draw and tell him to let her go".

      Instructor's answer: "Congratulations, you just got in the way of an undercover cop arresting a prostitute. By the way his colleagues were 5 seconds behind you. If they haven't shot you already, I hope you have a lawyer on retainer, you're gonna need it".

    20. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      And you would have known to go to her kitchen how, precisely? Presumably it's not visible from your driveway.

      He went in and left through the garage, which faces my driveway, and opens up right into her kitchen. I think I would have noticed a guy walking quickly out of her house...

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    21. Re:Shotgun and big scary dog. by tacokill · · Score: 1

      Correct call. This isn't even a close one....

  8. No Windows computers? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0, Troll

    If you need help to decide between two models of laptops* and two models of desktops**, I don't know what kind of help you need.

    * MacBook Air or MacBook Pro
    ** Mac mini or iMac

    1. Re:No Windows computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzt. Those computer can run Windows.

    2. Re:No Windows computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really hope the 'no windows computers' means he's going with linux... otherwise that 10k isn't going to go very far.

    3. Re:No Windows computers? by boristdog · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what's with being an OS bigot? Why can't the people in that household run whatever OS they are comfortable with using?

      I guess bigotry exists in the electronics world as well. Wait until Skynet gets here.

    4. Re:No Windows computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the internet, where it's possible to be the wrong kind of snob about not using Windows.

    5. Re:No Windows computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, take it easy. that was just a jokey way of indicating he doesn't plan to buy any windows machines. i don't think he searches his guests' bags for windows laptops when they step into his foyer.

  9. I was going to help you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but then you used the world 'utilize'

    1. Re:I was going to help you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Nick?

    2. Re:I was going to help you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I'm starting to like this Nick

  10. save your money.. by kcmastrpc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    buy something other than Bose

    1. Re:save your money.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said he was using a Bose iPod dock (assuming one of the units with built in speakers). Honestly, these aren't that expensive and they look and work a lot better than most of the stuff in the class. Now, if he had said Bose home theater system... that's a completely different story and a complete waste of money. Get a Harman/Kardon receiver and some Polk Audio speakers. Both your ears and wallet will be glad that you did.

    2. Re:save your money.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This X 1,000,000.

      Total shite the bose is. Buy yourself a proper mans stereo with real speakers.

    3. Re:save your money.. by Chuq · · Score: 1

      If you are buying a sound system for your house from scratch, go for Sonos. It is expensive but if you are replacing multiple existing systems and have the insurance $$ in your hand it shouldn't be too painful. I get my stuff through johnsoncorp on Amazon: http://amzn.to/sonos-au2

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    4. Re:save your money.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy something other than Bose

      You know what they say.... "No highs, no lows: must be Bose".

      Do you know what Bose stands for? Boy Our Sh*t's Expensive!

  11. why do you have 5 TVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and uh why are you telling us how much insurance money you got?

    1. Re:why do you have 5 TVs? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      He's planning to buy a gun and test the SYG defense.

      Or, perhaps commit insurance fraud, who knows.

    2. Re:why do you have 5 TVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 4 tv's. My big tv that I had in the living room. My sisters little tv in her room, my parents tv that became their bedroom tv. And since I now have a house full of family I don't care to spend time with after rescuing them from financial ruin, I got a tv for my bedroom.

    3. Re:why do you have 5 TVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, maybe your family is ruined because they spent their money on TVs that they don't need?

  12. sorry about your loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...However, I would be worried about how to replace the content that was lost. Going to work on cutting a backup copy this weekend myself.

    1. Re:sorry about your loss by Americano · · Score: 2

      Aren't you using the cloud? Everybody's using the cloud.

    2. Re:sorry about your loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not everyone is using the cloud. for example, I do not use the cloud. I just dont trust a third party with my data. however an off site backup is a good idea. Saftey deposit box and a couple SSD HDD that you can use to back up will do at least for digital information.

    3. Re:sorry about your loss by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      The cloud is great. All of your worries are taken care of by magic gremlins, as an added plus you are web-scale.

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  13. Personal Information by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they have your desktop then they likely have all of your personal information. I would be rather worried about that portion of the theft and would be curious how one would work to make sure that the information they stole would be useless.

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    1. Re:Personal Information by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      If someone wants all the information to become useless, they would need to:
      - close all credit cards and get new ones from different companies
      - close all bank accounts and open new ones to a different bank
      - get a divorce or get married, whatever changes your marital status
      - change your name, race, hair color, eye color, sex, religion and language
      - move to another country so that all details of the address are obsolete
      - close your Facebook account and open a Google+ account

      Now, I know that last step seems impossible to do, but don't give up, you can do it!

    2. Re:Personal Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would they stole his desktop instead of the full desk, is beyond me.

      Ah.. you guys meant the desktop computer?

    3. Re:Personal Information by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's posting to slashdot. Chances are he runs encrypted root.

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    4. Re:Personal Information by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone asks why on earth you'd want to use Bitlocker or Truecrypt. Here's the reason.

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    5. Re:Personal Information by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Simple. Trash your own credit rating. You can have lots of fun doing it while guaranteeing that your personal information will be completely useless.

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    6. Re:Personal Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arguably better:

      Flip a coin. If heads, change your marital status.

    7. Re:Personal Information by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      wow, that's remarkably like getting divorced - except you're only getting fucked once, not perpetually.

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  14. Yes! Yes! Buy more stuff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And n'mind what you're wanting to do with it. It's the American Way[tm]!

  15. Wait to see what you need based on use. by concealment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buy nothing. Wait for a need; then research what fits it best.

    You've been given an opportunity in disguise here.

    Do you really want all that stuff that consumes time? Only one way to tell: wait for yourself to need it, then buy it as you determine those needs based on what you actually use.

    1. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I flag for anti-consumerism?

    2. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by salteye · · Score: 0

      This is solid advice. I basically don't worry about getting robbed because I don't have much to begin with. The most a burglar could make off of my apartment is selling my laptop(which has an encrypted hard drive) and my monitor. Everything else is not worth much.

    3. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by robthebloke · · Score: 2

      Besides which, restocking your home with a replacement set of new-shiny stealables, is just asking for a return visit from the burglers.....

    4. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by RedShoeRider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I second that!

      We had the remarkably unpleasant experience of having a house fire two years ago. While the structure itself was alright, just about everything in the house was destroyed due to the smoke and heat, including almost all of our electronics. 3 desktops, 2 laptops, an old Proliant server, 2 UPS's, Printer, 2 TV's, fax machine, scanner, DVD players, 3 cameras.....you get the idea. When we moved back in, electronics wise, we bought only what we missed. The 3 desktops were replaced with one that was faster (and cheaper) than the ones it replaced, the printer by a print/fax/scan combo unit, the 2 TV's were consolidated to one, blah, blah.

      Point being, do wait until you see what you need. You'll likely end up with a smaller, but more useful, pile of equipment in the end.

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    5. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by CyberKnet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unfortunately a lot of the time insurance claims don't work this way. I had a lightning strike recently that took out 90% of my electronics.

      My policy was "new for old", but until I bought the "new", I received only the depreciated value of the "old".

      If it were only this, I would still advocate your strategy, however there was also a 6 month time limit to purchase the "new", send receipts in, and get reimbursed for the depreciation.

      Long story short - you may lose out on a lot of money if you don't replace that stuff now.

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    6. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by parlancex · · Score: 1

      I would add to this that we're also on the cusp of considerably improved TV technology with affordable OLED displays around the corner in the next few years. If you can hold out now you'll be able to get much much nicer TVs than what you can buy today for the money.

    7. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by pmontra · · Score: 1

      Do you have a laptop AND a monitor? You have much more stuff than you need, watch out for burglars ;-)

    8. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      Give it some time before 'replacing' everything. Obviously replace your NEEDS, like a pc/laptop for work/business, but hold off on everything else and try some new things for a while that don't necessarily require all those electronics.

    9. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      So replace it and sell it. Especially for anything that is getting cheaper in a hurry like TVs.

    10. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

      "The things you own end up owning you."

      Spend your money on people, places and things that are more valuable to yourself than others.

    11. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you buy your insurance? From a van down by the river?

    12. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      It's actually a pretty common form of home insurance. The two main choices are: 1) actual value, in which you get reimbursed in cash for the estimated value of the stolen/destroyed contents; and 2) replacement value, in which you get reimbursed for the cost of replacing those items with rough equivalents. People often get #2 because they're worried that with #1 they won't get enough cash to replace their lost stuff, since they would only be able to do so if they found an equally depreciated used item for sale on Craigslist/eBay/etc. Whereas #2 will let you go buy replacements immediately. The tradeoff is that you do have to go buy them soonish: the insurance company doesn't want to write you an open-ended check to replace these things with rough equivalents sometime in the distant future.

    13. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. Less is more, sometimes. Did you really *need* 5 TVs? I've purposely de-cluttered my life by realizing the diff between my wants and my needs. It's led to having a less frantic, cluttered brain, giving back the freedom to think with less distractions. And many times, thieves do return to the scene of their crimes because it works.

    14. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by ah.clem · · Score: 1

      Awesome advice. You might even wean yourself from TV. Not a bad ambition, of you are of a mind.

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    15. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also some of that money could be invested at a decent interest rate...and better spend at a later time.

    16. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by undeadbill · · Score: 1

      Yep, since it looks like the poster is getting a cash payout, it would be better to wait. My wife's laptop died, and instead of buying her a new one, we took some time to consider her usage, and she found she was much happier with a tablet instead (which was about half as much). Once she started using the tablet, most of her media consumption on the TV/media center went way down. Now we don't have one of those anymore. We also got rid of her digital camera when she upgraded her cell phone.

      I would look at investing in anti-theft tech for all of the devices in use, and ensuring that future devices meet whatever security requirements I determine would mitigate future break-ins or device losses. We have had no less than 3 households of friends that were "cleared out" by thieves in the past few years. Our new policy is that everything is encrypted, and any non-portable devices are security locked to something large and sturdy, or locked in a box (like backup disks, also encrypted). Portable devices all have tracking and remote shutoff software, personal info is in encrypted volumes, a person's device goes with them whenever they leave the house, and every device also has to have a user password to unlock. This limits what will get stolen (and how much personal data we can lose) if there is a break-in, which has happened to people we know far more often than being mugged. All of our personal paper data gets scanned onto one system that is securely backed up, and then that paper is shredded.

    17. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by andyi · · Score: 1

      Yea! An useful response!

    18. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by NotBorg · · Score: 1

      Also, you don't have to have the latest and greatest version of a gadget. You don't need to have every feature available either. Quad SLI has never been worth the expense, for example. Buy the products with the features you use, cut the fluff, and have more money for other things.

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    19. Re:Wait to see what you need based on use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excellent suggestion

  16. Buy All Used Electronics! by mrbluejello · · Score: 1

    Get a tube TV, VHS VCR, antiquated DVR -- nobody's going to want to steal that sh!t, PROBLEM SOLVED!

    1. Re:Buy All Used Electronics! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Betamax is better than VHS.

    2. Re:Buy All Used Electronics! by Pope · · Score: 3, Funny

      Except for hipsters. They likely already stole his turntable and cassette deck!

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    3. Re:Buy All Used Electronics! by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Pffft. CED video disc, 8-track, and one of those huge RCA space-commander projection console TVs that weigh 500lbs.

      Burglars will probably drop more valuable stuff stuff on their way out :)

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    4. Re:Buy All Used Electronics! by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Get a tube TV, VHS VCR, antiquated DVR -- nobody's going to want to steal that sh!t, PROBLEM SOLVED!

      If only we could transmit electricity wirelessly inside the house......

    5. Re:Buy All Used Electronics! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Except for hipsters. They likely already stole his turntable and cassette deck!

      To say nothing of his entire suite of Lomography equipment. He's going to be banned from the local coffee shop.

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  17. I suggest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... you get five TVs (don't ask), three laptops, a Bose Sound dock with iPod, a digital camera, and a desktop.

    You needed the stuff before, you'll need it again. Beyond that, you are not providing any useful information. Who are you? What are you doing? What are your interests?

    I totally fail how this qualifies for "ask slashdot". You're interested in watching TV, so get stuff you can watch TV on. I am also confused your list does not include DVD players/Bluray etc. So your list is not even complete.

    I think you want us to do the research for you what current devices are good. Shame on you for being too lazy to research what stuff is recommended at the moment but clutter slashdot with it. And the timothy-script is of course unable to filter this CRAP out.

    1. Re:I suggest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and 10k isn't an interesting budget to work with.

      3000 for a main-TV setup (Bluray) with a decent sound system, 2500 for the laptops, 1,5k for the desktop and monitor. That leaves like 3k for the rest. You'll not be able to afford a lot of "cool stuff".

    2. Re:I suggest... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      I totally fail how this qualifies for "ask slashdot".

      Timothy approved this.

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  18. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be more worried about my personal information rather than the hardware.

    You did full disk encrypt didnt you?

    Otherwise I would go and spend that 10k on drink, drugs and women, in other words, buy a life.

    1. Re:Easy by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Yes, because petty thieves really do go after the data to sell to identity thieves! You've been reading too many internet infosec articles.

      Its far easier to just exploit him than physically steal his data. Whats worse is that since he says 'no windows', meaning probably mac or linux (could be something else but unlikely) which means they probably arent' even going to bother targeting him with malware to exploit his machine.

      My point is simply that encrypting for your own personal stuff is just paranoid silly. Its FAR FAR too much risk/effort to physically steal your identity when they can get countless numbers of them for free, remotely, safely anonymous.

      You guys act like you know how to secure your selves then show you have no clue by utterly failing to demonstrate any concept of how the real world actually works and what real threats are. I'll just beat you with a large wrench if I want your id that bad.

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    2. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I suggest you leave your passports and driving licenses laying about for your next robber. Also leave your birth certificate etc..

      Watch the petty thieves then.

  19. Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    5 Vizio 60" tvs - $5k
    5 Nexus 10 Tablets with Keyboard Folios - $2.5k
    Vacation to the Bahamas - $2.5k

    1. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And then maybe $100 for 5 power strips so you can easily "unplug" your Vizio TV twice a day to unfreeze the UI.

      And don't forget the Roku's or Smart Blu-Ray players you'll want because the Vizio Smart TV Wi-Fi keeps forgetting your SSID & Passphrase.

      Not liking my brand new Vizio...

    2. Re:Simple... by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      5 Vizio 60" tvs - $5k
      5 Nexus 10 Tablets with Keyboard Folios - $2.5k
      Vacation to the Bahamas - $2.5k

      Come back after it's all been stolen again and repeat.

    3. Re:Simple... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      5 Vizio 60" tvs - $5k
      5 Nexus 10 Tablets with Keyboard Folios - $2.5k
      Vacation to the Bahamas - $2.5k

      Ah, you forgot to mention the word "insurance" under your breath.

  20. Sign by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    "No Trespassing: What the dogs don't finish, we feed to the pigs."

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    1. Re:Sign by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      DANGER:
      Unexploded land mines
      XXX
      Enter at own risk

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    2. Re:Sign by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

      Mine says "Never mind the dog - beware of OWNER"

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  21. I would do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Take the 10k, go to the garage and put all the electronics back to its old place :)

  22. Good move on no Windows computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Then, nobody sane would want them (hahaha) without it.

  23. Wait by MeBadMagic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't replace anything right away. Wait until you know what you miss the most. When you miss 'it' the most, note why. Once you have the what and why, start shopping for the best fit, new or old.

    B-)

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    1. Re:Wait by spongman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, now would be a great time to cancel your cable service. Don't bother buying any TVs. You'll save a bunch of money and time.

    2. Re:Wait by brian.stinar · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. My suggestion for waiting is due to the fact that you don't actually know how much money the insurance company will give you, until they actually give you the money. Why spend money you don't have, or mentally prepare to spend such money, on consumption of consumer electronics? Honestly, I think most people spend money they don't have, but it would be a better idea to know what your budget is before you spend it, or made decisions regarding spending it.

      If I had to replace all the technology in my house, I would immediately replace my laptop (as an independent software contractor it is my livelihood) and my cell phone. There is nothing else I would start mentally replacing before I had the cash in my hand, and even after that point, I'm not sure if I would replace anything, since my electronics sound like they suck compared to yours, and my insurance company MIGHT give me $15 for my crappy speakers.

      There might be something you enjoy spending 10k on more than TVs and electronics too. That's why I like the post I replied to. The above approach might help you find out if there is something you like more.

            -Brian J. Stinar-

    3. Re:Wait by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Don't replace anything right away. Wait until you know what you miss the most. When you miss 'it' the most, note why. Once you have the what and why, start shopping for the best fit, new or old.

      B-)

      ...and by this point, the statute of limitations on the insurance payout has passed, and he gets nothing. He's got a time window to do the replacing here, and it's better not to leave things until the last minute. Somewhere in the middle is probably best.

    4. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the thieves haven't been caught you can expect them back again in the near future.
      They'll know you have new goodies, ones worth more than the original loot, on the way.
      Invest in some cameras and other security gear and minimize the other hardware you're picking up. A backup drive you can hide in a cubby hole somewhere would be a good idea too.

    5. Re:Wait by MeBadMagic · · Score: 1

      From the article - "Now, I have to go out and buy all new electronics with the insurance money."

      Leads me to believe he has insurance money on hand.

      Also from the article, later - "It's looking like I am going to get around $10K from the insurance company to replace everything."

      Again, that sounds as if he is going to get money first.

      I most certainly could be wrong. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Ins. Co. makes deals with suppliers and / or makes policies in the hopes the homeowner will not follow all the fine line stipulations (statue of limitations, as you put it).

      I guess the bottom line is for anyone who pays for home insurance to ensure their policy will pay out a cash value, how fast, and with what loopholes.

      B-)

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    6. Re:Wait by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      We do that. We even watch rented movies by hooking our laptops up to a monitor and plugging in speakers. You can even get remotes if you want, although they can be a pain to work with. Otherwise, works great.

  24. Burglar? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder if he had auto-logon enabled and the burglar booted up his machine and is posting from his account. Maybe this is just a request from the burglar for additional shit he wants.

  25. Why by tanujt · · Score: 1

    Why did you have 5 TV's?

    1. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what he is telling the insurance company. ;)

    2. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One for each bedroom. I'd say that's a minimum of two, three is possible, even four. That leaves one for the big room.

      And it's very possible to have other TV's elsewhere. I have four in my house, and a fifth in the garage.

    3. Re:Why by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Maybe he collects them as a hobby.

    4. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the same reason I do... Big family lots of rooms in the house

    5. Re:Why by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      My family had an insane number of TV's when I was younger. At one point we had 5.... we bought 3 (living room, grandparents family room, and my parents' bedroom) but then we got some from relatives dying and one family friend that was moving and didn't want to bother packing this huge thing built into furniture.

      So eventually we had like 6. And this was back when TV's were huge... like 27" tubes with some wood built around them to act as furniture. Eventually we donated them when we started running out of room.

      We kept them around because, hey, they were free and since our TVs were getting a little old we now had some replacements in case they bit the dust.

      Even ignoring the relative deaths though, I can see it. Like if you have kids that just moved back home from college (or a lost job) until they get on their feet. Now you have the TVs the 2 kids owned, plus your bedroom, living room, and 1 other.

    6. Re:Why by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Mostly because they don't get thrown away. Buy a new one and the old one just gets pushed to another room. Next thing you know, you have more TVs than people.

  26. -1 flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this even on Slashdot, you should ask your google+ social ring or whatever.

    if you have amazon prime
    1) Go to amazon.com
    2) enter search term (for example "TV")
    3) sort by popularity
    4) take the top search result THAT ISNT A WINDOWS COMPUTER LOLZ

    if you don't have amazon prime, replace step 1 with
    1) go to newegg.com

  27. Perhaps a less childish attitude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house.

    I know this attitude is rather popular on slashdot, but grow up.
    Every operating system has it's uses, Windows included.

    1. Re:Perhaps a less childish attitude. by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house.

      I know this attitude is rather popular on slashdot, but grow up.
      Every operating system has it's uses, Windows included.

      He doesn't want to buy one. It's his house and his money, he can buy what he likes. He didn't tell you what model of car to buy, or where to buy groceries.

      Or are you saying that everyone that hasn't gone out and brought a windows license should 'grow up' and go buy one? You are the worst astroturfer ever.

    2. Re:Perhaps a less childish attitude. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I have no use for, same as submitter. Why would he buy something he does not like?

    3. Re:Perhaps a less childish attitude. by pclminion · · Score: 1

      He doesn't want to buy one. It's his house and his money, he can buy what he likes.

      No, what the guy said was that "no Windows computers allowed." Not that he doesn't buy Windows computers. With that sort of wording, it sounds less like a personal preference and more like oppression of the other residents of the home. Will this guy seriously kick out family members/roommates who choose to use Windows?

    4. Re:Perhaps a less childish attitude. by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      He doesn't want to buy one. It's his house and his money, he can buy what he likes.

      No, what the guy said was that "no Windows computers allowed." Not that he doesn't buy Windows computers. With that sort of wording, it sounds less like a personal preference and more like oppression of the other residents of the home. Will this guy seriously kick out family members/roommates who choose to use Windows?

      He can do what he likes in his own house. The rest of the story is about what he should buy with his 10k insurance money, not about his fascist tendencies towards those who live in the same house.

      If I don't want people smoking crack in my house does that somehow make me unreasonable? It's the same thing except windows messes your mind up more.

  28. Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by Isarian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you can afford, maybe two new decent Macs?

    1. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by mjwalshe · · Score: 2

      or one Mac Pro :-)

    2. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by jampola · · Score: 1

      Oh baby, I can only imagine how quickly a mac pro would boot into Linux :)

    3. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to get two decent Macs than one awful Windows 8 system. You can watch TV on your Mac, so no need for the TVs. Just a nice 50" monitor...

    4. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by guyniraxn · · Score: 1

      Or save the money and build a decent Linux box?

    5. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      So you can afford, maybe two new decent Macs?

      With that insurance money from "5 TVs", I think he can only partially afford one Mac. Maybe not even partially.

    6. Re:Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house. by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      If you want to boot linux fast, get the mac mini instead or an iMac. The ancient xeons in the Mac Pro are dated at this point. Some benchmarks indicate the ivy bridge chips in the "lowend" macs are faster, especially compared to the entry mac pro.

      I replaced a mac pro with a mini in december and it's been a big upgrade except for disk. Now I've got a bunch of USB enclosures all over my desk to make up for the loss of disks, but at least it's got USB3. I don't get people who prefer this... having the drives inside the computer is so much less clutter.

  29. Geek gadgets by vagabond_gr · · Score: 2

    Go here, keep adding random stuff until you reach $10k.

    Much better than wasting money on TVs.

  30. Unrelated question by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    I am going to get around $10K from the insurance company

    What's your insurance company?

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    1. Re:Unrelated question by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah this. I'm currently shopping for a similar amount of renter's insurance. So far my quote is $200/year, I'm not sure if that's high or not. But if my computers and/or tools went walking I'd sure want a replacement. I'll buy as soon as I can figure out what I should be paying. I do live in a seriously low-income portion of the country, so maybe they're figuring it's high-crime. It's not especially high-crime, but if you didn't do any actual math you could assume that it was, and use it to justify high premiums, because insurance is a scam.

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    2. Re:Unrelated question by BStocknd · · Score: 2

      Whoever it is, he probably added an extra rider for electronics. I have State Farm, and normally they only cover $2k worth of electronics (I don't remember if they said 'electronics' or 'computer equipment'). That can be bumped up to $10k for like $10/yr or something, it wasn't much.

    3. Re:Unrelated question by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      $200/yr, or less than $17/mo, sounds like a damn good deal to me.

      However, I've always been told that with renters insurance you have to be extremely diligent, as many of the base policies don't really cover anything of value (like books or electronics), and to have those items covered you would have to purchase and additional 'rider' policy, which can get quite pricey.

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    4. Re:Unrelated question by ah.clem · · Score: 1

      2 a year isn't that bad, but watch the deductible. Also, have serial nos. and photos to e-mail to your agent (if you have one) and yeah, expect a shit-ton of grief when you try to collect. Unfortunate but true. Document as much as you can prior to the loss. Just my opinion.

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    5. Re:Unrelated question by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      I have renter's insurance and for $200/year you get practically nothing. None of your high value items will be covered, you'll have little overall coverage, and your liability protection will be low. If you're 20 in an apartment with nothing of value beyond a laptop, it's ok. But if you have a few nice things like jewelry, watches, AV equipment, computers, etc. then you'll be paying closer to $500/year and above.

    6. Re:Unrelated question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little over 10 years ago, I had renters' insurance that covered $30k worth of property losses that cost around $100-$120/year. I do not recall their policy on how much of that could be used to cover electronics losses. This price was reduced by having multiple policies with the insurance company. Without the multiple policies, I think it would have been about $10 more expensive.
      Company: State Farm
      Area of the country: Green Bay, WI (my impression of it was it was a middle class\blue collar city, no major crime problems with the exception of drunk driving, a few poorer areas but nothing real bad).

  31. Buy anything rather than Bose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friends don't let friends buy Bose.

    The only good thing about Bose is their marketing dept.

    1. Re:Buy anything rather than Bose. by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      I second this. My old Bose 301s and 401s sound like crap compared to my $150 active bi-amped Alesis Mk1 studio monitors. Hell, the Alesis are louder than the Bose too.

    2. Re:Buy anything rather than Bose. by tibit · · Score: 1

      I have their iPod dock, 2+1 computer speakers, and a wave sound system. The wave system will be 10 years old soon and has been problem-free and sounds great. The computer speakers perform very well, too. The iPod dock - same thing. I can't really say anything bad about this stuff. The only "problem" with the wave system was that the LCD backlight was flaky for 4 or 5 years, it started a couple years after purchase. It's been OK for 2 years now, though - it "fixed itself". I don't really know what people's problem with Bose is. We bought it because it made most sense compared to the form factor and features of other systems. Their UI is spartan, precisely the way I like it, I don't really need a 50 button UI and a lights show for a freakin' CD/amp/radio combination.

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    3. Re:Buy anything rather than Bose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you suggest to replace crap with crap. That's wonderful. At least the Alesis are standard in cheap studio's.

    4. Re:Buy anything rather than Bose. by seebs · · Score: 1

      The problem with it is that it's crappy stuff with a huge marketing budget.

      Go look at their demo units. Note how all the other speakers are set up so you can swap between speakers and compare the same music using multiple different speakers, but the Bose stuff is carefully separated and uses different audio tracks custom-recorded to sound okay with it.

      It's marketing fluff on top of unusually poor hardware.

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    5. Re:Buy anything rather than Bose. by tibit · · Score: 1

      There's really no way to evaluate anything much in the store environment -- the most you can tell is that something is real crap, other than that you need it in your own place to check it out. They offer 30 day returns, and I did buy a $3k 5+1 system from them once, just to have it returned a couple weeks later. The bang for the buck was too little to warrant the expense -- we went with the wave system instead. Much smaller form factor, and the performance was more than adequate. You get quite a bit of sound from something that takes up less volume than a cuboid fitting an open 17" laptop (with screen straight up).

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      A successful API design takes a mixture of software design and pedagogy.
  32. first world problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need all those things.
    Take the insurance money and send it to heifer.org to buy goats to make starving families self-sufficient.

    1. Re:first world problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't they just eat the goats?

  33. Put a credit hold at your Credit Bureau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change passwords on all accounts, change user names if possible. Your identity is probably worth more than all the stuff they stole.

  34. anything on sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 TV, a Mac notebook and desktop machine, cheapo speakers, more insurance and sliding Alu grills on the inside of the windows and doors in your home. Add the rest of the electronic goodies as new stuff come out.

  35. They'll Be Back by brainboyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever you decide on, don't buy everything all at once. They'll be casing your place again in a few days because they know you'll be replacing everything with nice NEW stuff.

    1. Re:They'll be back by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      You worked in building security? What would you recommend to secure a house full of techno-kit?

    2. Re:They'll Be Back by rjune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      brainboyz is right - take your time. You can use the time to research the stuff and decide if you really need to replace all 5 TV's. Also, if you throw out the boxes, cut them up and don't advertise the fact that you bought a big new 58" TV. You don't say how they got in, but after my house was broken into (the burglars destroyed the door) my insurance company paid for a new door. As part of the project, I got a security screen door. This will not a determined burglar, but it will slow them down enough so that they will look for an easier place to hit.

    3. Re:They'll Be Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my former work places got burgled. Being an office, we had to replace all the stuff taken. Unfortunately, management neglected security. A month later, we were broken into again, and all the shiny equipment was taken. Only then did management spring for a security system.

      Learn from this incident. Do not be victimized again.

    4. Re:They'll Be Back by tibit · · Score: 1

      That would be fine advice if it wasn't for how U.S. residential insurance works. They only pay amortized value of the old stuff upfront. They'll pay the balance once the work/replacement is done. This applies to most claims, AFAIK: burglary, weather, fire, etc.

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    5. Re:They'll be back by tibit · · Score: 1

      Myself, I only believe in physical security if you're attached to your kit, otherwise have sufficient insurance coverage and make sure the insurer is easy to work with. That's about it. Video security systems are useless when it comes to residential burglary. Not only are the cameras too low resolution to identify the suspects, a proper chain of custody needs to be followed as soon as the police comes to your place (if they even do). You can't just take the DVR and go to the police station.

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    6. Re:They'll Be Back by medcalf · · Score: 0

      Depends on the insurance company. Mine (USAA) pays replacement value up front.

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    7. Re:They'll Be Back by Pope · · Score: 1

      In other words, get an alarm system and put the rest on insurance lol.

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      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    8. Re:They'll Be Back by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Buy the cheapest laptop you can with a built-in cell modem and that computrace system in BIOS. Heck, leave it in your apartment with the door unlocked. Track it back to their lair where they have all your stuff.

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      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    9. Re:They'll be back by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      Low resolution is what makes so many cheap security systems worthless. The much pricier commercial systems are very high res, and have the accompanying hardware to process and store it. Those $300 systems at Costco aren't worth it for a burglary. If you just want to prove that the neighbor's kid keeps swimming in your pool while you're at work, then it'll suffice.

    10. Re:They'll Be Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be fine advice if it wasn't for how U.S. residential insurance works. They only pay amortized value of the old stuff upfront. They'll pay the balance once the work/replacement is done. This applies to most claims, AFAIK: burglary, weather, fire, etc.

      So pay for replacement insurance. It's an option available from every insurance company I've dealt with.

    11. Re:They'll Be Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about booby-trapping an easy-to-grab computer near your door? Inside could be...well, use your imagination! :-)

    12. Re:They'll Be Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo, if your house is less attractive than your neighbor's you're safer.

  36. They'll steal the DVR security system next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I already added a DVR security system"

    What if that's stolen next time!

    1. Re:They'll steal the DVR security system next time by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      What if that's stolen next time!

      You'll just have to use the burglar's CCTV system.

  37. They'll be back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you replace anything, upgrade your security. The thieves know you like electronics, and they know you'll be replacingit. That's when they hit you again.

    BTW, don't rely on stuff like a DVR to record images, because in my experience (several years in-house security. many years ago) the police can't do much with anything it records anyway, and they often simply don't care. If you want to do it anyway, go ahead, just don't expect great things.

  38. Sonos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These things are pretty cool. Not quite like the "house of the future" predictions from '95, but nice.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/field-keywords=sonos

  39. Not immediately and all at once by eth1 · · Score: 1

    Just don't buy a bunch of expensive stuff right away, and leave visible evidence (boxes at the curb, many visits by UPS/FedEx). A burglar with half a brain that just stole all that might be keeping an eye out to score a haul of brand new stuff now that they know you had a ton of electronics you'll probably be replacing.

    1. Re:Not immediately and all at once by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not just that, but there is zero point to doing this without upgrading security, since they know you'll be replacing your shit and they already know how to get into your house, what the layout is, where you're likely to put your valuable items so they can steal them again, et cetera.

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  40. How is the service? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Funny
    How good would you rate the service provided by your burglar? Reliable? Does the job in the appointed window? Is the window reasonably short? Does not take more than what is contracted, right? What kind of fees? How untraceable is the guy?

    Basically, would you hire him again, when it is time to do the next round of upgrades?

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    1. Re:How is the service? by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      Don't give slashdot ideas, you might just trigger a massive wave of insurance companies going bust.

      On second thoughts screw the insurance companies..

    2. Re:How is the service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look on Facebook, he probably has a gallery of photos for every step of the operation.

    3. Re:How is the service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I don't know about the OP, but I can see the feedback from the burglar. It says something like "A+++++++ Will break in again."

    4. Re:How is the service? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      He was recommended on Angie's List.

    5. Re:How is the service? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      DICE

  41. Hold off, but not to pare down your stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hold off because the burglar knows exactly where a bunch of new tech is going to be showing up in the next couple of weeks.

    1. Re:Hold off, but not to pare down your stuff by linear+a · · Score: 1

      Mod up. That's a pretty common approach by burglars. Come back later and take the new stuff.

  42. LUG by Nossie · · Score: 1

    go down to your local LUG group and see if anyone has offered to sell 2nd hand un*x computers.

    1. Re:LUG by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      go down to your local LUG group and see if anyone has offered to sell 2nd hand un*x computers.

      He already got the payout. There is no reason to go hunting down the thieves.

      It might not be such a bad deal really, he gets to replace his old kit with new stuff. I hope he encrypted his disks.

  43. Alarm of some sort first by johofnovi · · Score: 1

    If you don't invest in some sort of security system, you are setting yourself up to be robbed again. A common tactic for burglars is to hit a house again a month or so later and steal all the "new" toys people purchased with insurance money.

  44. What kind of question is this? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Apart from the loss of $10k this is just a good upgrade opportunity.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  45. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Burgled" is correct in British / International English. Only Americans use the hideous "burglarized".

  46. Easy by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Buy what you need and keep the change. Only you can tell what you need.

    The question is did you have off-site backups?

  47. Re:Dictionary by Omegawar · · Score: 1

    I already added a DVR security system, so hopefully the new things won't get burgled!

    I suggest a dictionary.

    Or perhaps you should get one? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burgle

  48. First Purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget about buying anything new until you move! There is no facial recognition on your cameras. If you don't specifically know the guy it's just going to happen again anyways. Police don't know these people usually and they usually rob you at night anyways. Try iding that guy at night.

  49. MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    Move to a safer (gated perhaps) neighborhood, get the HW out of the balance remaining

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    WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
    1. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by h4rr4r · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Instead of all moving into fortresses maybe we should work to fix our society. The US seems to quickly be turning into a third world hell hole. Only in those do you need to live in a gated community to avoid robbery.

    2. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here, it's the gated communities that get hit the worst. The assumption appears to be that those people have the most to hide/worth stealing, so that's where the criminals go. Us average joes in normal neighborhoods enjoy a much lower crime rate. Perception of security is all a gated community offers...

    3. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut the fuck up

    4. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this middle school response "insightful". You are a fucking troll, you post crap, and all the like fuckwits mod you up. Try going outside once in a while, interact with other humans. It might give you some perspective.

    5. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That third world lesson should not go unlearned the reason they do it is because it works.

    6. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      [...] The US seems to quickly be turning into a third world hell hole. Only in those do you need to live in a gated community to avoid robbery.

      Have you ever been in a third world hell hole? Have you ever been in the third world for that matter? If not, I would suggest visiting the third world some time before you make such statements. While I would agree that things are deteriorating, we have a long way to go before "third world hellhole".

    7. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Crime is as low as it's been in 30 years, violent crime even more so. This image that our society is crumbing is one that is produced by the media and backed up by the human instinct to remember 'the good old days'.

    8. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have.

      The rich folks living in gated communities with armed guards is very common. This seems to be the direction lots of the USA is going. We have a shrinking middle class and a system designed to turn anyone convicted of a minor infraction into a permeant member of the underclass. We have deteriorating schools, roads and public services. We are discussing cutting any program that does not benefit the richest among us. We have a long road to go, but we seemed determined to get there as fast as possible.

    9. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Despite being a "city boy" my whole life and swearing I could never deal with life in some small "farm town", I wound up moving to one last year, when I needed to move for a new job offer and the city itself was just too expensive to live in.

      Now that I've been here a little while, I can tell you it's absolutely great from a standpoint of more friendly people and a low crime rate. (Our local newspaper often has so little crime to report, the section of the paper devoted to the topic usually winds up talking about historical crimes in the area, going as far back as the early 1900s!)

      The high crime rates in the U.S. are very disproportionately happening in the big cities. If you're willing to consider trying life about 45 minutes to an hour outside one of those cities, in a small outlying town, you'll probably see the crime rate drop like a rock.

      And as a bonus? If you do your research and actually buy a property in the right outlying small town, you stand a good chance at seeing your home value increase if you hang onto it for 20 years or so. The big cities that having growing populations will inevitably lead to more people moving further and further out, and commuting to/from work rather than competing for the limited number of apartments/homes/condos in the cities themselves.

    10. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That depends highly on the part of the country you are in. My city is doing well, save for some parts where the citizens really do need to get their shit together. It used to be a nice area, but at the first sign of trouble people moved, now this area of blight is moving eastward.

    11. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps that's what it is like where you live, but in my small town I haven't locked the door to my house in 17 years. At this point, I'm not even sure I have a key for it. Small Town USA - I'm a fan, and I grew up in Manhattan.

    12. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I am not willing to give up 2 hours a day commuting. That is far too much of my life. I have a home in a city, real house back yard and all, 10 minutes from work.

      I have lived that far away and it flatly sucks. Getting groceries is a chore, the local stores have only bud light and there is literally nothing to do. I want to be able to see sports, go to cultural events and have a life.

      The rising price of gas will end the kind of sprawl you are advocating.

    13. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you fix a society that is moving from being self reliant to government reliant? Lets ask Greece...

    14. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, gated communities are more of a marketing ploy than anything. Crime levels go down in the first year, but return to baseline quickly thereafter. They can also prevent emergency services from being able to get in quickly, which probably outweighs the risk from criminals in most areas.

    15. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The presence of a local maximum does not change the overall trend of a graph. Sure, there are spots that have worse crime now than they did before, and vice versa, but that doesn't change that there is SIGNIFICANTLY less crime overall in America now than there was 2-3 decades ago.

    16. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The US seems to quickly be turning into a third world hell hole.

      You're confusing "the US" with "Chicago" and a few other spots. Generally, violent crime and burglaries are significantly down and have been for many years now. It's bad in places where the local politicians and thug culture don't want to fix themselves, and the local population can't bring themselves to admit they have a cultural problem that will only be fixed by a major personal commitment to getting local family life together, and off-the-charts corrupt, pandering politicians out of business. As mentioned, see Chicago - where those things simply will not happen.

      The US does run the third-world-hell-hole risk, though, due to major fiscal problems that the current administration doesn't think are real problems. That's a much broader trouble.

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    17. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      crime is lower, but more evenly distributed. So the areas of society that were crumbling are now fairly stable (not crumbling further) and OTHER areas that get more headline time have been crumbling. Revisionist "good ol' days" hindsight is definitely at play, but so are other factors.

    18. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      Oh, you've been to Boca Raton too?

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      Bottles.
    19. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by sls1j · · Score: 1

      It's not crime in the neighborhoods that increasing. It's the crime in the fancy buildings in Washington DC that's increasing.

    20. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      Mod up! I'm sick of this media sensationalism and all the sheep who regurgitate it ad infinitum. We live in the most prosperous time ever in human history, let's not forget that. http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/02/21/1630208/ask-slashdot-starting-from-scratch-after-a-burglary#

    21. Re:MOVE OUT while there's less stuff by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      After Katrina, New Orleans was jokingly called "America's Third World Nation". I can personally assure you that violence, gun fire, and beatings were the norm where I lived before Katrina. Afterward? I hear my old neighborhood is even worse than before. I know families that open carry shotguns and roll down the small arms-fire shutters on their windows at night. They always block the door with a 4x4 piece of wood. Sounds pretty third world-ish to me.

  50. The ultimate edition setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First get yourself a windows media center and a windows home server.

    Buy an xbox (media extender) for each TV.

    When you buy a new laptop or PC make sure it comes with windows 8 and sports a windows 8 logo sticker. Metro FTW!!!1!

    1. Re:The ultimate edition setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that an anti-theft piece of advice?

  51. A rare chance to rebuild your tech collection by macwhizkid · · Score: 2

    Had this happen last year. Came home late at night on Christmas 2011 to a broken basement window and saw that all my electronics had been stolen - TV, laptop, desktop, game system, etc. While it was certainly pretty frustrating (especially dealing with the police (hint: don't expect much) and insurance company), eventually I realized that it was actually a good opportunity to rebuild my tech collection from scratch.

    In other words, think about what devices you didn't use much, and how to replace that functionality with other things you have. For me, this was:

      - an early 40" LCD ($1200 circa 2007). It was 1080p, but it was a monster to move anywhere and too small to make watching HD content worthwhile when sitting across the room. Still, it worked fine - I wasn't going to go buy another one. I also don't watch much TV to begin with, so it went days without being turned on. So, I replaced it with an Epson HD projector ($800). Sure, the lamp life is less, but I don't use it more than a few hours/week anyway.

    - a Blu-ray player (bought in 2008 for $160) replaced with a PS3 ($200 on eBay).

    - an Apple time capsule ($300) replaced with FreeNAS (in virtual sandbox) on desktop computer (free, since I was replacing the desktop anyway).

  52. Re:Dictionary by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

    What do you expect from a lame, dumbass AC? Even if it weren't in a dictionnary, it's what all the kids say.

  53. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least they didn't sell him an encyclopedia set

  54. Re:Dictionary by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be fair, I'm American and I use the word burgled as buglarized is such a hideous word. I have no idea how long it's going to take to convert the rest of the country though.

  55. Items for your house by cstacy · · Score: 1

    Big dog and an AR-15.

    1. Re:Items for your house by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      And training. Why oh why do so many people forget that part?

    2. Re:Items for your house by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed. Without training, how is the dog going to know how to use the AR-15 safely?

    3. Re:Items for your house by SimplyGeek · · Score: 1

      Points to you, good sir!

  56. Keep it simple? by jonr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buy less junk to steal. Spend your money on 'experiences'. Travel, art, fun, whatever...

    1. Re:Keep it simple? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Buy less junk to steal. Spend your money on 'experiences'. Travel, art, fun, whatever...

      You can have a lot less stuff to steal by just sending me all your cash.

    2. Re:Keep it simple? by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      Well...people can steal your art.

      And if you spend more time traveling and on this nebulous "fun" you speak of (considering I doubt he bought those 5 tvs in order to do un-fun activities, I assume you mean fun that costs money and is out of the house), it just gives them more time where you aren't home and they can come steal the stuff you did buy!

      Also, 5 TVs seems excessive, but a desktop, a stereo, a digital camera, and a couple laptops (one for each person)...that all seems pretty damn normal. Even if I were a management consultant who traveled Monday-Thursday for business and frequently turned those into long weekends in various destinations, I would probably still own all of those things. Even if I was only home 2-3 weekends a month, I'd want to be able to play some tunes at home while editing photos and playing games on my desktop and I'd want to be able to browse on my laptop while I eat breakfast in the morning.

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  57. E-machines stickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get e-machines stickers and change all your brand stickers. No one will ever steal your junk again.
    Get crappy brand stickers for your TV's to like VAIVo etc.

  58. Simplify your life. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    If you have insurance money, I would say get less but nicer things.

    For me I would be happy with the following.

    A nice 42" TV LED
    A good Stereo System with iPod dock.
    connected to a Surround Sound and nice speakers.
    A good quality Wi-Fi
    A nice fast Laptop
    A new Phone that doubles as an iPod

    Save the rest of the money for retirement, or to upgrade in 4 or 5 years.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  59. Don't be in a rush by david.emery · · Score: 1

    I agree with 'buy what you need, when you need it' but also shop wisely. TVs, for example, often go on sale. And then there's sites like Woot or even the Apple Refurb store (I presume Dell, HP, etc have similar sources for factory refurb.) (Most of my computers have come from Apple Refurbs. Those have the same 1 year factory warranty that the original products do, and I use the money saved on a laptop to buy the 2 year AppleCare extended warranty.)

    1. Re:Don't be in a rush by DrPeper · · Score: 1

      I concur, wait for a WOOT-OFF! You'll get everything you need there. Even the security system.

  60. take a picture of everything you buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a few ideas...

    Insurance companys are hard to deal with without documentation. Best Practice is to take pictures of everything of value in your house including jewelry. For electronics also take pictures of Product & Serial Numbers so they don't argue with you about value as much.

    Also, check out the video/cam security type systems you can install yourself. Some of them now IM/text/email/call you when the alarm is set and someone opens a door or window. Maybe cheaper than paying some service.

    Lastly, you can put a tracer device inside one of your electronic component cases which allows you to use GPS to track where it is.

  61. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on people... is this really a slashdot worthy article? Who really give a shit about this guys sob story. It is a waste of all our time.

  62. Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just pull up to your nearest Best Buy and get what they have in stock. Can't go wrong there. Just make sure to buy all Monster Cables and buy the extended warranty.

    1. Re:Best Buy by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just make sure to buy all Monster Cables and buy the extended warranty.

      Come on! He only got $10K from the insurance!

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      "For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
    2. Re:Best Buy by cheater512 · · Score: 2

      He only thinks he wants a TV. What he actually needs is a 30cm Monster cable for the $10k. You can waste hours admiring it instead of wasting your time with TV.

    3. Re:Best Buy by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but how much is the extended Best Buy warrenty on that $10000 cable?

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      "For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
    4. Re:Best Buy by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      ... and with that he's going to buy 4 redundant TV's, but not replace the laptops? WTF?

    5. Re:Best Buy by router · · Score: 1

      I just checked, and the most expensive monster cable on bestbuy.com is 583.61$, still totally rediculous.

      andy

    6. Re:Best Buy by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Admire 17 of them then. Even better!

  63. Realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Realize you had a lot of crap you don't need and use the $10k to pay off debts instead. (Maybe buy a cheap laptop.)

  64. 5 TVs and 3 laptops for $10k? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    That is hard to achieve on its own, replacing the rest of the stuff under that limit would be tricky for sure.

    That said, I would highly recommend you use at least some of that money to setup a file backup system that runs in a less-obvious place in your house. Get a small desktop PC with a wireless NIC, install your favorite *nix on it, and set it up in a closet or something. Then you can at least retain the important stuff if all your hardware is stolen in the future.

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    1. Re:5 TVs and 3 laptops for $10k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A NAS in an un-obvious spot is slightly easier to hide than a PC. Attach it to a wireless access point and you could hide it in a closet or a cabinet somewhere. If you already have a backup plan in place, just mirror the backup to the NAS. This way you have a two-fold recovery plan.

      Or you could use something like Amazon Glacier or S3 and backup to the cloud. Data transfer out prices on Glacier are pennies on the terabyte and in is free, but data access is not on-demand. For a situation like this that may be acceptable since you wouldn't be accessing that frequently anyhow.

    2. Re:5 TVs and 3 laptops for $10k? by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

      Really? You have to really reach to find TV's over $1k. Maybe your one big screen is more, but how many TV's do you need over 50"?

    3. Re:5 TVs and 3 laptops for $10k? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      It really depends. You can get very good laptops for $1500 easily if you shop around, so that's $4500 and leaves you roughly $1k for each TV. I assume they weren't all huge widescreens originally, many were probably little $100 or $200 TVs for the den or whatever. I don't see where this will be all that hard unless he wants 5 new 80" 4k 3D displays or something. Say one nice TV at $2k, 4 cheapies for $200 each, $1500 worth of stereo gear, and $1000 for everything else.

      Of course if I were in that situation, I would probably hold off on buying the extra 2 laptops and 4 displays and pocket the money if I could. Maybe buy them if I feel a need later. I don't know how big his family is though.

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    4. Re:5 TVs and 3 laptops for $10k? by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      I do both. local backups and remote. Not advocating one over the other, but I have used Crashplan for the last two years and am happy with it. $60.00 a year and it has saved me twice. Currently I have 788.4GB backed up on it - they are very very loose about the amount you can back up (thankfully)

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  65. CCTV by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Find a good neighbor or a big and strong iron safe. Buy a good video recorder system and install it there. Route the wires so that the recorder itself is difficult to find. Then buy everything you want.

  66. read books. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I still have my tv, but i only use it 10% of the time. I kind of want to get rid of my desktop and just go with a laptop only. The only thing I use for entertainment is my Kindle.

    Ironically, I'm in the entertainment industry (tv/film). Books and museum outings are the only things that keeps my creative juices flowing. If I'm brain-dead at the end of the day, I enjoy cooking and spend the time with my significant other. Seriously, I'm done with watching tv.

  67. the top of a desk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > a desktop stolen

    They stole the top of a desk? And like left the rest of the desk? What was so special about the top of a desk that they'd go to the effort (a) to steal it and (b) take only it and not the rest of the desk?

  68. Replace as needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a list of the things that you are missing or would like to add to your collection. Focus first on prevention security. Security doors, additional locks for sliders, more secure windows, etc. Focus second on after-the-fact security, e.g. cameras. Cameras shouldn't be too difficult to set up. Because you're a no-Windows house I'm going to assume you're a pure Linux house, so setting up a home-grown security cam system shouldn't be insanely difficult for you (on the other hand if you're an Apple house, then just pay some security company a monthly fee and have an alarm system installed. Also get a dog. They're trendy).

    As far as the TVs, computers, and other electronics go, replace them as you grow to miss them. Get 1 TV and 1 desktop, and see how that works out for you. If you need more, add to your collection. It's a good opportunity to downsize if you had more than you use. On the other hand, if you actively use all of them, there's nothing wrong with replacing all of them.

  69. Security First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't rush to replace yet. It is quite common for thieves to keep an eye on a house they burgled and wait for empty consumer goods boxes to be dumped outside then do the place a second time. So first thing you do is analyse how they got in, get advise from your local crime prevention officer and make your place more secure.

    Then once you replace your stuff, you have a much higher chance of keeping it.

  70. a different neighborhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the $10k to help you go live someplace safer.

  71. S301317 really misses the point, doesn't he? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he tells us everything he owns. Ok. He tells us he doesn't want Windows. Ok. He throws around a potential budget. Ok.
     
    Uhhhh... we no absolutly nothing about his home situation. The submitter has made one of the worst mistakes in the buying of technology; he hasn't considered the user's/users' needs. No thought given to the human factor at all. At least he hasn't told us. I'm guessing since he said "us" that there are at least two people living here. He doesn't want us to ask about the TVs. Why? Are there five people in this home who watch TV independently of each other? What are the ages of the people using the technology? What do they do with it?
     
    These questions that he's left open for us makes it impossible to understand the situation. Anyone who doesn't consider the human element when buying technology are going to make wrong decisions.

  72. no windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i was going to suggest buying a netbook with windows XP or windows 7, but you don't want one. Not sure how i would survive without Windows XP or 7. I guess you can build your own computer and run Linux on it for $200 excluding a monitor. instead of replacing all of you TVs and electronics at once, buy them one buy one. Save money. Or use money in a savings account to buy a tv or a small stereo boombox with a tape deck. do they still make tape decks any more? lol

  73. Re:Dictionary by retchdog · · Score: 1

    Make sure it's a well-editorized dictionary. Sometimes there are mistakes in the submitterations, which make it hard to readerize.

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  74. Only buy 1 TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And only use the TV for movies.

  75. You say don't ask, but I just have to... by Tex+Bravado · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why only 5 TVs ?

    1. Re:You say don't ask, but I just have to... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      We have a 27" tube TV. I want to get a new one, but I am too cheap to do it while I have one that works. Kind of wish it would get stolen....

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  76. Robbing? by no-body · · Score: 1

    Isn't robbing taking something by force at gunpoint (or other means of force) from one or more persons whereas intruding a location to take property away is burglarizing.

    I never get if someone is actually robbed with danger to bodily harm or burglarized in absence without immediate danger to bodily harm.

  77. Wait and see what you need by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    Since you say they took EVERYTHING and you're cleaned out... you might as well start with a clean slate.

    Others have already suggested: wait to see what you need, decide if the "need" is big enough, and if so then consider buying it.

    For example:
    - That rack stereo system... how often did you use it? Did you just turn it on because it was there? Maybe consider just using your computer or a small shelf system.
    - Do you really need that Rice machine? I'd wait until you decide that "I want rice" often enough to consider replacing it.
    - What about that juicer? Were you using it, or was it mostly sitting there because you got it as a gift.
    - etc

    The list of obvious daily stuff is pretty easy... for me it would be clothes, TV, Computer, Refrigerator (I doubt they took that), toaster, etc. Then I'd play it by ear after that.

    But to each their own.

  78. DVR Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't stop anything from getting stolen. At best you'll be able to help the police identify the thieves. Worst case - it gets stolen too

    1. Re:DVR Security by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      It's why I advised to install it in a safe or in a neighbor's territory so it cannot be easily stolen. Any alternatives to it are out of reach of ordinary people, including a fulltime security personnel with dogs, reinforced concrete walls with bulletproof windows or relocation to Nowhere-land.

      Recommended site: www.survivalblog.com

  79. Install Wireless Security System by Shompol · · Score: 1
    Install Wireless Security System

    How to install a wireless security system:

    Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men's used work boots, a really big pair. Put them outside your front door on top of a copy of Guns and Ammo magazine. Put a dog dish beside it, a really big dish. Leave a note on your front door that says something like "Bubba, Big Mike and I have gone to get more ammunition - back in 1/2 an hr. Don't disturb the pit bulls. They've just been wormed and they are a little edgy."

  80. Been there, done that. by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    My heart goes out to you. My house took a lightning hit many years ago and I lost 3 TVs, 4 VCRs (it was a long time ago), 1 CD player, one combo CD/LaserDisc player (like I said, a long time ago), all our phones, several appliances, and even the house intercom.

    My advice is to shop carefully and don't expect to replace everything. Generally, I'd say get the best-suited, most versatile core components of a system that you can eventually grow back to the same level of usefulness and convenience you once had.

    Avoid the temptation to get something cheap to fill every slot that's been emptied. If you do, you get all your functionality back immediately but you'll ultimately be unhappy with the quality of your purchases.

  81. Take it slow by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    We had five TVs (don't ask)

    It's really hard to advise, when you have a don't-ask condition.

    That aside, I'd recommend you avoid or delay things for as long as possible. You know, the best time to buy electronics is "never" because something new (e.g. Haswell, 4TB drives for today's 3TB price, etc) is always around the corner, to make you feel like a fool a few months later. So only get things you really think you need right away, and the more you put off, the better. You might decide you only need two TVs, for examp-- but, ok, ok, sorry, I won't ask about that! ;-)

    As for me. If I had money to burn and now was really the time to replace anything I could.. then I'd hire a contractor to somehow magically run some copper (no, it's not easy in this house), so that I wouldn't ever have to use wifi for any inter-room links. Goddamn I hate wifi. The walls are solid and the under-house "crawl" space (as if anyone could actually get on their hands and knees) is so thoroughly infested with black widows that I would never send anyone down there, much less go there myself. Fuck that. Ok. ok, an exterminator and then a contractor.

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  82. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Burgled" is correct in British / International English. Only Americans use the hideous "burglarized".

    I thought American English was the only important version for International use....

  83. Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shotgun, samsung chromebooks running linux, some kind of centralized NAS/Backup/Mail server and TV's

  84. Inventory by MatrixCubed · · Score: 2

    For the future, consider inventorying, photographing, and valuating as many possessions -- no matter how seemingly negligible. Then ensure that your insurance policy actually covers the cost of replacing as much as possible at full retail value.

    There are apps, applications, and web apps which enable you to realistically valuate your possessions, to ensure that your insurance company is giving you a fair amount for theft.

    1. Re:Inventory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you had windows you could have seen them and had the film to prove it

  85. "...all of our electronics got stolen." by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're free! Don't put your chains back on!

    --
    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  86. Re:Dictionary by pclminion · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it just follows the pattern. Burglars don't burgle, they burglarize. Murderers don't murder, they murderize. Etc.

  87. yay for sales by nozzo · · Score: 1

    Yes go for sale items and bank the rest.

  88. It's only obvious.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a gun, it worked for Oscar Pistorius.

  89. Re:Dictionary by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually American English in key respects is the most divergent in spelling, and you will find that most other countries where English is dominant (ie. Canada, the UK, Australia) or very common (India) tend towards British spelling. I notice this is changing in Canada where the "u" in words like "colour" and "neighbour" is being dropped.

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  90. Simplify your life by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

    I live perfectly well without TV. Netflix provides ample entertainment on a nice large flat-screen or a projector. You will save time and energy (it'll be quiet). AppleTV is useful. I have a laptop (a top-of-the line Macbook Pro with SSD etc etc), but no desktop (not even at work). That way I don't have to synchronize data, and I have everything with me. If you need another iMac at home depends on your family, I guess. An iPad or a cheaper Android tablet are useful for reading the news during breakfast, etc etc. Someone here suggested to simply wait and see what you miss the most. That is a wise suggestion.

  91. Buy "disposable" stuff by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    Buy "disposable" stuff. Technology breaks, gets obsolete, gets lost, gets stolen, ect.

    Example: A few years ago, I bought a $2500 42" TV. It broke after 3 years, so I replaced it with a $1000 55". I didn't miss much, because both TVs are just basic HDMI without a lot of features.

    Likewise, with your computers, make sure that they are capable of using some kind of magic cloud backup so that you can quickly get your stuff back. Dropbox runs on Windows, Linux, and Mac.

  92. Sounds like... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    We had five TVs

    Sounds like they did you a favor.

  93. "A third world hell hole." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US seems to quickly be turning into a third world hell hole.

    A year ago I would have disagreed. But I've seen too much in the meantime.

    Why do you think this is happening?

    Instead of all moving into fortresses maybe we should work to fix our society.

    I really admire this statement. It's always true. Whenever we run away, that's like saying "Attaboy! Go ahead! Go wild!" to the criminals.

  94. An alarm by krutadal · · Score: 1

    An anti-burglar alarm. Burglars often strike twice.

  95. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "burgled" is what a rump rider does to you.

  96. Steel doors and retractable window grills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody will bother trying to break into a house like that, as long as you have a good alarm, and also all windows alarmed so that they go off if any are broken.

  97. Before you buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before buying new items I would suggest making a list, and going to pawn stores in your area informing them if anyone comes in with the items on your list to call the police and you.

  98. I would by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    Get ready to be robbed again. A lot of burglars wait a few weeks and because they know you will replace your stuff, hit you a second time.

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  99. Doing it wrong... by bhoar · · Score: 2

    Put 40% of the money into the bank/investments/retirement. Spend 40% on amazing international trips and vacations. 20% on replacing the minimum of physical things y'all really need. Lighten your load and enjoy life.

  100. Try to live 90 days without a TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My recommendation:

    Replace your computers as needed, but try to live 90 days without a television . (i.e. use a laptop/ipad to watch videos as needed but not having a "big tv" in common spaces. Maybe even get a projectors and hook it up to a tuner for special "viewing nights")

    The reason: walk into a typical american living room/family room, and the TV is the biggest feature of the space. It physically dominates. Especially if it's playing.

    Physical Availability of the television tempts us humans to turn it on, sit in front/lounge,etc.

    Without omnipresence, you may find spaces more friendly for conversation, reading, game-playing, i.e. "real living"...

    Try to reclaim your space for a few months and see how it works.

    Context/Disclaimer:
    In our family we have one TV in the parents bedroom (i.e. ours): not in the living room, not in the family room. Our small children aren't tempted/condition to watch TV all the time

    YMMV. Just suggestin'

  101. An Actual Answer to the Question by Nemesisghost · · Score: 2

    Besides everybody else saying what to security equipment(dogs, guns, CTVs, etc) & how you are a snob for not wanting Windows or some other OS, how about some real suggestions.

    I'd first start with the non-PC related tech. TVs, cameras, game systems, etc. Those usually have a fixed cost involved, and there usually isn't too many ways you can cheap out on them without getting screwed buying crap. Figure up what you want & how you want it arranged in your house, then go from there.

    Next I'd look at your PC related tech & networking equipment. What do you want to do with your PCs & how do you want to integrate them into your entertainment setup?

    Personally, I have a media server and then a media system hooked up to each of my TVs for media sharing. I run MythTV for my DVR needs. Since MythTV is WAY easier to setup on a Linux system, that fits nicely with your no Windows rule. But others don't like Myth or are unable to utilize its DVR service and there are better media sharing services out there, so use what works best. Then I have Samba shares setup for out of Myth media additions & viewing. One of the shares is monitored by my torrent service, so I can drop torrent files there from any PC & have it automatically add them. My total media PC equipment costs are only about $1500 - $2000.

    1. Re:An Actual Answer to the Question by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Here here. These are good recommendations.

      Personally, I would put the money into a couple high-ticket items which will last, with accessories for them (because I rarely have the $ to also get the accessories). Get things which help me do things and give me the ability to expand and further enjoy my life. By this I mean things like:

      * DSLR camera with lights and lenses. The lenses will sink that $10k quickly. Canon is the obvious choice unless you're looking to do landscapes almost exclusively, in which case that snazy new Sony is the cat's meow (OK it's about a year old at this point).
      * home security system with remote monitoring.
      * general home automation setup (there's a lot available, and inexpensively)
      * tools. Tools do not, in most cases, need replacement; you pass them on to your kids.

      Nobody has so much as said it, but if you've got 5 TVs in your house, you've got some pretty severe problems: over-consumption, a sedentary lifestyle, and a consumerist mentality (as well as possibly a lack of communication in your household due to everyone being glued to different screens throughout the house). You should take this opportunity to change your lifestyle for the better.

      Keep your acquisition of 'sedentary consumption' devices minimal. Get devices you can take with you:

      * tablets
      * smartphones
      * batteries
      * chargers (eg. of the solar variety for camping?)

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  102. Re:Dictionary by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

    In continental Europe it seems to be moving towards some kind of hybrid, with Americanisms more common than they used to be. I assume this is because all the kids who learn English as a 2nd language are influenced by the internet and U.S.-produced television/movies/games.

  103. Apple vs PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well... if you're not going to use Apple based computers... prepare for a un-necessary 200% markup. With the money you spend on a Mac you'll get 2x the PC a Mac will ever be. So, if you're trying to use your money wisely... you've already blown that out of the window.

  104. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might I suggest that YOU get one? Burgled is a valid word.

  105. Re:Dictionary by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some other words do fit the pattern. Antagonists don't antagon, they antagonize. Capitalists don't capital, they capitalize. But, communists could either commune or communize, with somewhat different meaning.

  106. No TVs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No TVs. I don't have any and I' fine, thanks.

  107. Internet TV by osssmkatz · · Score: 1

    Invest in TV over Internet. Roku is excellent. Between Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and Netflix, you have everything you need plus a database "Can I stream it?" app for ios or tv.com to look it up. Don't forget Vudu disc to digital allowing your DVDs to be stored in the cloud if it's in their database. --Sam

  108. "Aluminium" by naroom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is all.

    1. Re:"Aluminium" by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what your point is.

      Yes, we have rubidium, iridium, tellurium etc.

      But we also have "platinum". My understanding is that in the early days, some people wanted the name to align with "platinum", and called it "aluminum". Later on, other people decided that the name should align with all the "ium" metals, but the American custom never changed from the older spelling.

      In my opinion, it's no big deal. The one Americanism that really grates on me spelling "borough" as "boro".

  109. security? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Get a reasonable new workstation - figure that you ought to be use it for at least 5-6 years (you said, no Windows; Linux, of course, well, they *just* dropped support for 386's , a better graphics card, if you game.

    Get what fits your house, and you like. You probably don't need the 80" tv, honest; for a lot less, you can get a projector for your computer.

    Right: get a *removable* drive to back up everything; do a regular backup, and put the drive somewhere else. I'd suspect that theives wouldn't grab a lone drive, even if they found it - it's not as easily marketable.

    How did they get in? Were the windows and doors locked? Do you post what you're doing, and when you're out on Facebook?

    Some folks have mentioned a dog: many years ago, I read an article in a paper that found, after interviewing guys in the stir for burglery and theft, that a security system deterred about 20% of them... but a dog, of *any* size, deterred 60%.

    Firearms: yep, the thieves will enjoy picking them up, since THE FOLKS WERE OUT.!. And, of course, not one of the gun nuts I noticed in the comments said anything about a gun safe.

                        mark

  110. New Gadgets Recommended by snoopyau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New Gadgets Recommended by snoopyau
    * Buy One Main TV
    * Four Computer LCD's with HDMI , connect them to an Digital Set top box each (You can now use them as monitor or tv's)
    * Buy 1 Netbook with or install Linux
    * Buy 1 Android Tablet
    * Buy 3 Standard x86 computers, to move them around easy. use bluetooth keyboard and mouse and use mITX Cases eg
    BitFenix PRODIGY-RD Mini-ITX case.
    * Buy/build file server intel based computer with hardware raid6 card and 6 4TB HDDS. Create media centre NAS BOX, run linux off it
    * Also I would buy as many cameras as you can afford, outside, inside, kitchen , doorways.
    * Also take advantage and buy a few UPS steams with power spike protection
    * Try to avoid buying Home Retail Branded PCs and Apple hardware

  111. Buy wisely by pev · · Score: 2

    I've been there myself and the number 1 advice I can give is "don't rush".

    Getting a big chunk of money to replace is really great but be a bit more tactical. You can live without all of it for a little while so bone up on whats current and upgrade cycles and spend wisely. Also as someone wisely mentioned above - re-evaluate if you *really* need everything back like for like!

    Personally if it was me, if it's cash and not receipted value I'd replace most kit with nearly new via ebay / gumtree / whatever and save the leftover money for a rainy day. It's a recession after all and chunks of cash are hard to come by! Also, being harsh but logical - lots of people hit hard by the recession sell off expensive kit cheap when they need the money desperately. It sucks for them big time but for you it could be a boon.

  112. Attractive nuisance by srussia · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is slashdot. Recommend buying a Boston Dynamics Big Dog.

    This might lead to the expansion of the Attractive Nuisance Doctrine to include Slashdot users in addition to children.

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    Set your phasers on "funky"!
  113. Wow, no real suggestions yet by Webcommando · · Score: 2

    I stopped reading comments after a while. Nothing but suggestions on security, windows jokes, and shotguns. I probably missed some good comments but let me add my own.

    Personally, the first thing I would do is pick the "ecosystem" you want to play in. You a Google, Apple, MS person? For all the convergence devices, this is important to decide right away. I'm personally an Apple guy and like how all the devices sync up and it works for me...but the price is I bought in and know the limitations (For example, If I want Amazon prime on my Apple TV, I'm out of luck).

    One of the nice thing is you can start standardizing on a brand for TV's and other audio/visual electronics. Most of the brands have some sort of link (proprietary?) that allows their TVs, receivers, players to work together fairly well without using universal remotes. Unfortunately, I bought most of my gear over time and many brands and only a few things are happy working together :(

    Sorry that I can just suggest "the" brand to go with. I've had a robbery before and it sucks to have to rebuild. My own funny little story: I had a robbery in 1991 that told me that albums were going to die at the hands of CDs. The thief took my receiver, tape deck, 6 CD player and the heavy speakers....but left the turn table.

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    1. Re:Wow, no real suggestions yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey another non-real suggestion. Good job dude

    2. Re:Wow, no real suggestions yet by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      Most people don't plan for a lock-in. I understand that you're an apple fan, but those of us not stuck in that ecosystem don't have that problem. All you're doing by buying everything from one company is getting ready to get screwed should that company start throwing fecal matter. Spreading it out and buying items on merit, not brand, gives you insurance should that company fall from you favor. Better to have to replace one item because you were spurned than have to replace everything and/or get stuck in stockholm syndrome.

  114. Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guns... lots of guns.

  115. Wait a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...seriously. You are more likely to be burgled again as they know that you will be replacing the stuff that they have just taken!

    UK Cop

  116. Re:Dictionary by Sporkinum · · Score: 4, Funny

    When the enterprising burglar's not a-burgling
    When the cutthroat isn't occupied in crime
    He loves to hear the little brook a-gurgling
    And listen to the merry village chime

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  117. Re:Dictionary by LihTox · · Score: 2

    Burgled just sounds too cute, like something a baby does when she's happy. "Oh did my wittle sweetums burgle a house? Yes he did!"

  118. Re:Dictionary by methano · · Score: 2

    When I was in graduate school about 30+ years ago, I came home to my apartment only to find it ransacked, my stereo missing and my roommate's camera equipment gone. I called the cops. "I've been robbed", I said. "Were you there at the same time as the person taking your stuff?", they asked. "No", I replied. "Oh, you haven't been robbed, you've merely been burglarized. That's different. Not nearly as serious." Darn. The police came over and looked around for a few minutes and then left. I never heard from them or my stereo again.

  119. Whatever you do... by folderol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely do not buy anything of real value for at least 2 months. Burglars frequently try to double-dip and snatch all your nice new stuff about a month after their first visit.

    When you do buy new stuff don't put the empty boxes out - the bar-stewards will be waiting to see those too :(

    1. Re:Whatever you do... by DeeEff · · Score: 3, Funny

      Double dip? I've been burgled 8 times now this past year and not once has a burglar come for a return trip!

    2. Re:Whatever you do... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      A few days ago I was wondering if having a few empty ammo boxes in view, a couple shell casings in the driveway, and maybe a used shooting target with a nice clustering of shots would have an effect. (there is the whole 'break in to steal the guns themselves' angle)

      Or renting a Great Dane to crap on your lawn.

    3. Re:Whatever you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to find a new place to live, or get new friends. Most common source of theft is word of mouth...

  120. Re-Think that Windows computer.... by Bomarc · · Score: 1
    Get a (cheap) used windows computer. (For example: HP Pavilion zt1170 ... that screams "shiney buttons see"). Remove old stickers (P-III, "CD"). Add new stickers (Core 2 duo, Quad core, Equipped with 4GB RAM, Wifi, BlueRay, "Windows 8", "Password=GuessMe1", etc). Get "a" WRONG power supply for it, and lable it for the system. (In this case "HP Pavilion zt1170").

    Optional 1: If system is *working* surf the internet for about 15 minutes with the AV turned Off. Place system near entrance point for break in (window, door).

    Optional 2: Add "call home" tracking software, and/or make sure you can remote connect to it.

    Optional 3: Get system with Cam... make sure you can remote access cam. (Might consider disabling the LED "cam on" light)

    ... Place all "good" systems in a "safe" (place).

  121. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably varies from person to person. FWIW I am American. Born in DC in the 80s. I've always said burgled.

  122. Use this great chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and don't bury yourself into useless stuff. Donate the money and exercise.

  123. Anti-gun idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't it occurred to you that the owner could TAKE HIS GUN WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES THE HOUSE?

    Duh.

    1. Re:Anti-gun idiot by whitroth · · Score: 1

      Yo. Moron. What good does that do him if he's not at home when it's burgled?

      And then he's carrying - concealed? With/without a license?

      Yes, your cock *is* too small....

                mark

  124. Re:Dictionary by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

    Well, that brightened my day. No matter how much my wife may harass me for my tastes in music, only on a site branded as "News for Nerds" can I not be the least bit surprised to see lyrics from Gilbert and Sullivan.

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  125. Reminder to hide the NAS out of sight by Sunshinerat · · Score: 1

    This reminds me that I have to move my NAS to a place out of sight. The attic comes to mind, need to run CAT6 up there.
    The laptops/tables are quite light on personal data, the NAS on the other hand isn't.

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  126. One advantage of digital purchases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone physically robs your house at least you still have your media collection.

  127. Your home PC by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

    Your home (replacement) PC should be a home built whitebox with the guts of your choice and NO case cover (bare chassis) IMHO no burglar would be interested and you could pass a vinyl coated bicycle cable through the framework of the chassis with a padlock.

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  128. Obvious answer ... by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    a better door with a good lock and secure windows ... and don't buy anything you don't need (like the 5 TVs you had ;))

  129. Just a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope the burglars don't read Slashdot, because now they know you're getting all new stuff...

  130. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you are saying they shouldn't be called burglers? Burglarists?

  131. You're in denial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a fucking troll, you post crap, and all the like fuckwits mod you up. Try going outside once in a while, interact with other humans.

    You're angry because he posted words that remind you of what you're actually afraid of. Normally, you stay in denial about it. But he interrupted that happy state by reminding you that, beyond the denial, there still exists the thing(s) you fear.

    Why not confront the fear instead? Either the fear is bogus, or it's legitimate and you can start working on whatever causes it. But don't go into denial. That just makes you weak, and prone to sudden outbursts of anger like the above.

  132. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  133. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The examples you give are words derived from Latin ("antagonist" via Latin from Greek) and use the Latin-based "-ize" for deriving a verb from a noun.
    "Burglar" -> "Burglarize" is a misapplication of that derivation to a word of non-Latin origin.

  134. buy a sticker by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    1)return your alarm system
    2)keep the sticker on your door from the alarm company
    3)put a big pair of mens boots, and a dog bowl that says "killer" out front

    You don't need to have an expensive alarm system, you just need to make people THINK you do

    1. Re:buy a sticker by JLennox · · Score: 1

      I'm sure most of the burglars live in residence that came with alarm stickers on the doors and windows. They don't fool anyone. The two places I've lived that were broken into had them.

  135. Re:Dictionary by shentino · · Score: 2

    buglarized

    Indeed, in your case hiring an exterminator might make more sense than hiring a security guard.

  136. replacing technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What would you do if you had to replace ALL of your technology in your house at once?"

    I would replace NONE of it. Technology sucks ass.

  137. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends on what you mean by divergent, as in some sense, there are aspects of older English language present in American English that got changed in British English, and other aspects that went the other way. So depending on what you look at, it isn't necessarily that American English changed and split off of British English while the latter remained unchanged.

    Just keeping track of the history of spelling variations like color vs. colour is a mess. Originally Latin derived words were -or, then some French words brought in -our, then some people tried changing some of the Latin words to -our, then there was a return to -or. Then, when the US split off it mostly came down to Webster's dictionary versus Johnson's dictionary setting the standard for later times, with the former preferring the Latin spelling, and the latter preferring the French spelling.

  138. Why the increase in crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have had no less than 3 households of friends that were "cleared out" by thieves in the past few years.

    I seem to be hearing a lot more of these stories lately. Why is crime skyrocketing?

    1. Re:Why the increase in crime? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      How many more "friends" do people have now that social media is big? With only 2 or 3 degrees of separation between most people on social networks it's surprising that you don't hear about nearly *every* crime in the country.

  139. Security System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As someone who designs security systems for a living, I just wanted to make sure that you know the "DVR security system" you bought (probably Night Owl or some other cheap brand) is likely ONLY good for deterrence. Don't expect to be able to identify anybody with that footage beyond "Wearing a black or dark grey (or purple/green if your system is REALLY cheap) hoodie and jeans."

  140. Location? by Beorytis · · Score: 1

    Are you in the US? Listen to your Vice President and "buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun." Seriously, though... I would advise you take your time instead of going on a shopping spree, take your time buying.

  141. Re:Dictionary by PRMan · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because we don't say col-oor or neighb-oor. Or col-hour or neighb-hour.

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  142. Re:Dictionary by PRMan · · Score: 1

    In continental Europe it seems to be moving towards some kind of hybrid, with Americanisms more common than they used to be. I assume this is because all the kids who learn English as a 2nd language are influenced by the internet and U.S.-produced television/movies/games.

    All the better.

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  143. use the money to move far away from minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and possibly save your and your family's lives

  144. alarm system and burglar bomb by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Burglar Bomb.

    That is all. (it's hooked into your alarm system, and releases tear gas)

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  145. Second this by phorm · · Score: 1

    Also, on your purchase list I would add
    a) Get an alarm (based on the above. Doesn't have to be fancy, but visible and load is good)
    b) Depending on the method of breakin, window-bars for ground-level windows
    c) Change your passwords and bank logins if saved on the computers, etc. Those are worth more than the electronics themselves sometimes.

  146. re: Spend money on "experiences" ? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    See, I don't necessarily agree. Every time I spend much money on something like a vacation trip, I wind up really frustrated and stressed for months after the fact,realizing that all that money is gone with nothing to show for it except some photos.

    The best experiences I've had often cost very little (as in a little bit of money for gas to drive there, possibly). The country is full of cool and interesting things to see that don't have admission charges, and I'd also say I've had some of the best times of my life just hanging out with some good friends at one of our houses.

    At least when you buy electronics or computer gear you enjoy, you've spent your money on something tangible, that you can make use of again and again, and eventually even resell and get a little bit of your initial investment back.

    I sure wouldn't want to avoid owning items I'd enjoy and use, just because of fear that someone might come along and steal them.

  147. Don't buy anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until you have installed proper security. Remotely monitored, sound detection (glass breaking etc), motion detection and all windows and doors are wired as well. Outside motion detection with security camera's is helpful as well. I live a mile from the police station. I left my house for 15 minutes and came back. Someone broke through the front door. Police were there with guns drawn before I got home. Nothing was taken, but they didn't catch him.

  148. What would *I* do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would you do if you had to replace ALL of your technology in your house at once?

    What do you mean "have" to? Is someone holding a gun to your head?

    Do you want to move forward, or backwards?

    Find something better to spend the money on.

  149. DVR Security System by rhook · · Score: 1

    It has been shown time and time again that video surveillance does not prevent crime. You need to get a monitored alarm system. Recording video does no good if nobody is going to see it until after your stuff is gone, and the thieves will likely take the DVR with them. With a monitored alarm a break-in is much less likely since there is a much greater chance of getting caught in the act by the police.

  150. It really is surprising by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems like almost all dogs can get really protective when they feel the need, even when you wouldn't think so.

    We had a really doofy standard poodle. She was an idiot, even on the demeaning scale of dog intelligence. If dogs rode buses, she'd ride the short one. The most loving dog you ever saw. Just wanted to be petted and cuddled and lay on your lap (despite being 90 pounds, she thought she was a lap dog) all day, every day. The least fearsome beast I'd ever met.

    Then one day I'm taking the dogs on a walk. A friend of mine is biking by and decides to try and scare me, so he yells as he rides by. The poodle goes in to attach mode. Fangs bared, loud, menacing barks, back down on her legs ready to lunge. She then recognized him and turned in tot eh friendly teddy bear she usually is.

    I never thought she had it in her, but she was ready to kill.

    1. Re:It really is surprising by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      This is why dogs should be treated as weapons. I support people's right to have a dog just as much as I support their right to have a gun, but around here, people constantly take aggressive dogs of for walks without a leash. These people are just as bad the dumb asses that shoot off rounds into the air on New Years. I can't count the number of times I have seen dog owners claim that their dog is haunched down snarling at someone because "That is just how she says hello".

  151. Don't Buy Anything You Don't Need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a similar situation happen to me and honestly it was awesome because it got rid of all the old crap lying around the house. Do yourself a favor and go buy only what you need (1-2 nice TV's, a nice computer, and a sound dock). then put the cash in the bank for a rainy day. Treat it like you just sold all your crap and the buyer was the insurance company :). There is no way you can watch 5 TV's at once anyway LOL

  152. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Burgled" sounds like something you do with mouthwash.

  153. Re:Dictionary by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 2

    In cases like antagonist, capitalist, and communist, the root word is a noun, not a verb.

    According to vocabulary.com, antagonize is from Greek and shares the same root as agony. Agony is a noun, so antagonists are people who cause agony. Like wise, the root of capitalist is capital. In this context, capital is money invested for profit. So a capitalist is a person who invests money for profit. In the word communist, the root is the noun commune, as in " a group living situation where people share everything" (also from vocabulary.com). The other definition of commune, as in the phrase "commune with nature" is not related to communism or communist.

    "Burgle", on the other hand, is a verb. "Burglar" is one who burgles. Technically, "to burglarize" is to make someone a burglar.

  154. Opportunity!! by blue_teeth · · Score: 1

    I'd take this an opportunity to experiment "minimalistic living". Try to live "gadget free" for some days. Check google for minimalist living. Who knows.

  155. Why DVR? by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    Just curious as to why you thought a DVR would prevent you from getting robbed. Sure, it could be a deterrant, but if someone breaks in to steal your stuff, all the DVR is going to do is give you footage of your stuff being stolen. A proper monitored alarm may be a better solution as it'll actually sound an alarm and contact you and/or the police so someone can be notified and respond.

  156. Re:Dictionary by Zordak · · Score: 4, Informative

    While it seems really pedantic, it makes all the difference to police and lawyers. A robbery is a theft that also involves an element of assault (you were physically threatened or physically harmed in the course of the theft). Burglary is just a theft that involves breaking into a home or a car. A person who is robbed is usually much more traumatized than a person who is burglarized, and sentencing reflects that. Assault can carry penalties as stiff as lesser murder charges or manslaughter.

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  157. Re:Dictionary by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

    Damn those burglarists.

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  158. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was in graduate school about 30+ years ago, I came home to my apartment only to find it ransacked, my stereo missing and my roommate's camera equipment gone. I called the cops. "I've been robbed", I said. "Were you there at the same time as the person taking your stuff?", they asked. "No", I replied. "Oh, you haven't been robbed, you've merely been burglarized. That's different. Not nearly as serious." Darn. The police came over and looked around for a few minutes and then left. I never heard from them or my stereo again.

    You made the mistake of not being related to a police officer. The blue wall means that you're just another asshole. Er, civilian.

    Sorry about your stuff.

  159. Re:Dictionary by Applekid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I already added a DVR security system, so hopefully the new things won't get burgled!

    I suggest a dictionary.

    Didn't you read the summary? They took EVERYTHING.

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  160. Not so fast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not all of the figures are in.

    While this suggests a declining crime rate, those are figures from 2008-2009.

    Violent crime is in fact experiencing an upturn, the biggest since 1993.

    Regardless of whether it's going up or not, you can see the burglary/robbery rates are relatively high.

    1. Re:Not so fast. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      The page you linked on Wikipedia shows that the robbery rate is at it's lowest for 45 years (1968).

      Also rape, murder, manslaughter, assault etc are all considerably down from their peaks in the eighties and nineties.

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  161. go cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get a new big monitor and mouse like object (thumb ball for me !)

    a few memory sticks and then buy a laptop and desktop from your friends discard pile

    And a printer ( hp deskjet all in one? or laser)

    upgrade the hard drive and memory from ebay/newegg

    Load GNU/Linux and open source software and make the commitment to stay free !

    All hail RMS !

  162. Get... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a wood stove and some books..... then possibly a soul.

  163. No Windows Computer allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, why do you want a computer for?

  164. Re:Dictionary by gmanterry · · Score: 1

    To be fair, I'm American and I use the word burgled as buglarized is such a hideous word. I have no idea how long it's going to take to convert the rest of the country though.

    Probably as long as it is taking to convert inches to centimeters.

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  165. Re:Dictionary by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    I converted a long while ago. It's the dog's bollocks! Seriously, it did sound funny the first time I'd heard it but I'm used to it now, in fact I prefer burgled over burglarized, which sounds too much to me like bowdlerized.

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  166. No Micro$oft is a good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Apple a good follow up.

  167. Re:Dictionary by master5o1 · · Score: 1

    Where did you get the h from?

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  168. Re:Dictionary by master5o1 · · Score: 2

    No no, antagoners antagle. Capitaners capitgle.

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  169. Buy a better house! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or an appartment in higher floors. From 5++.

  170. Re:Dictionary by master5o1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a perfectly cromulent word.

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  171. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  172. start with an alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cameras are good for nothing, and alarms are only good to scare them off. I was robbed in November, and cops were absolutely useless. 40 minutes to arrive, an hours worth of fingerprinting (no usables). My mb pro had the tracking feature, and when i showed the cop the location of my laptop (renamed to the thiefs name and in an apartment complex) she just shrugged and said there was nothing she could do. Even had I had an alarm at the time, it would take 30 mins for the cops to bother showing up, they have 45 seconds before it even triggers, another 3 or 4 minutes to acsertain a false alarm or not, and easily 20 minutes for cops to arrive. A typical smash and grab lasts 3 minutes or less. In, grab electronics, guns, anything not bolted down of value and out. Even if I'd had a camera system - with the competency of the police in my county - it still wouldn't matter.
    A dog may or may not help. Smart thiefs would wrap it in a blanket and throw it in a closet, if not kill out outright. Then you lost electronics and a beloved family member.

  173. No no by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    you want them to fall down the stairs by themselves, they tripped officer.

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  174. Re:Dictionary by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    And yet even American spellings leave anachronisms in. You don't say "knight" the way you spell it, that pronunciation was lost in the transition between Middle and Early Modern English.

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  175. Re:Dictionary by icebike · · Score: 1

    Burglarize is common in All of English speaking North America as well as India, so that puts you brits in the distinct minority.

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  176. Bolt down stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would bolt down valuable computers. I did to my picture server.

  177. Re:Dictionary by hedwards · · Score: 2

    I always have to laugh at the assertion that the US should go metric. Apart from scientific measurements, the metric system provides far less benefit than most people suggest.

    I've lived in the US and China and honestly, it makes very little practical difference whether you use imperial measures or metric ones in day to day life. You don't generally translate a km into m and you don't generally translate mi into ft. In fact, I can't recall the last time I did that which wasn't a contrived exercise to make the metric system look good. If you've got a distance of miles, it's unlikely that you need the precision that can be had from using feet. Likewise, if you're giving feet, it's unlikely that changing that into miles is going to be very helpful. And on the rare occasions where you need to, you can use a calculator.

    Which is moot as you generally don't really care about how far things are in terms of distance, you're generally more interested in how far things are in terms of time, and converting mph to hours and kmph to hours is a wash, neither is better than the other one is.

    With temperature, you have a sense of the temperature when you're comfortable and you compare it with the current temperature. The end points make very little difference in terms of ease of use.

    When all is said and done, apart from contrived examples that one never encounters in the real world, the metric system has no benefit for normal everyday life. There, I said it. And certainly not enough to justify throwing out an entire country's infrastructure or replace it.

  178. Late Answer, but check this out -- by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Last year I convinced my wife and daughter to drop DirecTV. I switched to usenet (sickbeard/couch potato/sabnzbd), but I could have changed to Netflix or Hulu or both instead. I've had all our movies on a central server (unraid, btw) for a few years.

    Here's the thing: we don't watch programming on TV much anymore. The TV in the bedroom - almost never, in the kitchen - wife still watches the morning news, no tv in the living room (really), tv in the playroom - on the weekends mostly. By using Plex and tablets, 90+% of what we watch can be streamed directly to personal devices. Yes, I have AppleTV pucks so I can throw tablet/phone content to the TVs, but I'm just as likely to put The Daily Show on the tablet via Plex and prop it up against the wall/fridge instead.

    I'd probably go down to a single, big TV in the "TV watching room" (wherever that is for you). A single big server - a single box with a cheap monitor and disc space to spare (8TB isn't a bad starting point, which means 3 - 4TB drives in an unraid/sw raid setup). A workstation area to plug in a laptop with an obscenely large screen (30" if you're getting a laptop which can drive it). Convertables or tablets for everyone. So $1500 TV, $1200 server, $1600 monitor/docking station stuff, $1200 good laptop, $800x n tablets/convertables for everyone else. If you really need a dedicated camera, get one - good ones are $300 (dpreview). A charging station is nice to have, but I would go with a bluetooth wireless sound system if it's really something you use. The audio coming out of portable devices is crap, there's no sense in spending a large wad on good speakers for them (or, in the case of Bose, a large wad on cheap speakers and good marketing).

    The extra money? Well, maybe a security system...if it would have actually helped (it may not have). Otherwise it's a great time to investigate cloud backup options, or revel in your forethought if you had a really good off-site backup system.

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  179. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your first purchase should probably be some type of security system

  180. No Windows Computers Allowed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear ya!

    Now, get a Rottweiler.

  181. fuck the tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why buy tv's? get everyone a notebook and teach them how to use torrent

  182. why electronics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get a library card and use it. Cheap, easy and not worth stealing.

  183. Get a laptop and save the rest of the money ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you need dog, get this one
    http://terrapines.com/images past litters/2007 litters images/taro/Taro 18 months 2.jpg

  184. warning shots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Due to the high cost of ammunition no warning shots will be fired

  185. Security system by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    You want a security system that is visible from the outside, so it acts as a deterrent...
    And you want it to not just store the video locally, but upload it or store it to a disk stored in a locked and bolted to a wall safe etc. It's no good having video of the crime if the thief has stolen your only copy of the video.

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  186. Be careful by mrjimorg · · Score: 2

    The thieves know that you buy expensive electronics, and that you will have a house full of brand new stuff soon. They quite often will rob a house a second time about 3-4 months after they robed it the first time because of this. Make sure your ready this time.

  187. ID Management by sherpalytics · · Score: 1

    Buy an iMac w/28" screen, then hire a tech consultant to tidy up all your stolen ID/personal information.

  188. You might consider... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, its time to move. I don't care what you have to do. Get a 2nd job. Work weekends. Eat Ramen for a month. Whatever the fuck it is, you have to move.

    8 times means you are a well known and well visited target. The word is out on you and you no longer know who your enemies are.

  189. Shotguns for self defense by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    In addition, it's a common misconception that you 'don't need to aim a shotgun much'. At home defense ranges, you're generally looking at less than 10 yards. In most cases that's not enough time for the shot cup to separate from the pellets, resulting in the person you shoot essentially being hit with a giant glaser safety round. As it hasn't spread, you still need to aim.

    Also, 20 gauge is pretty light on the list of common shotgun calibers, 5.56 is probably going to be a better stopper, depending on ranges, loading, and hit location.

    PLUS, 5.56 is actually 'pretty safe' when misses are going to go through walls. Just like the shotgun, they'll go through a couple layers of drywall just fine, but they're so light that it destabilizes them, making it unlikely they'll make it through the NEXT set of drywall. IE it's dangerous to the person 'hiding' on the other side of the wall, but the next house over should be okay.

    Studies have shown that 5.56 is actually stopped by drywall faster than 9mm -.45 caliber handgun rounds, and a slug out of a shotgun is suprisingly penetrative. 0-1 ought buck is slowed to a stop by 3-4 separated panels of drywall.

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  190. Interesting story... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    My grandfather used to keep Boston Terriers - one day he had a burglar running from the cops try to cut through his back yard.

    Half grown male comes out to play(doggie door). He kicks the puppy, never saw the other male and female. They take him down and the male grabs him by the throat. The female grabs one of his legs. The recovered puppy comes over and grabs the other leg.

    Crook got to sit there with three dogs on him for over 2 hours because animal control was busy elsewhere and grandpa wasn't home. Cops didn't dare go in the yard(how many dogs does grandpa have?), didn't dare try to shoot them(bostons aren't that big, they'd probably hit the crook), etc...

    Grandpa finally gets home, enters the yard with the cops, shoos the dogs off and collects them into the house. 6 months later the crook tries to sue grandpa for 'injuries', saying he had vicious dogs. The case was thrown out of court when it was shown that despite being held like that for that long, none of the dogs so much as broke the skin.

    Personal story: More Boston Terriers, but my parents while I lived with them. We needed some furnace work done, told the contractor where to locate the key. He goes in and goes to get to work. Cindy had just had puppies was in the downstairs bedroom with them just across from the furnace room. She growled at him from under the bed. He saw the pups and closed the door. Mugsy brought his toys down in the hope of playing with him. But one of my uncles once scared us kids pretty good, and from then on both the dogs had a vendetta against him. If he turned his back or moved funny, they'd go after him.

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  191. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He borrowed it from Cool Whip and Whil Wheaton

  192. Did you back up to the cloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. The loss of the equipment wouldn't bother me that much, it's the loss of data that would devastate me. Hopefully you backed up to the cloud? I don't like the idea of using the cloud, but it would be useful in this situation.

  193. Re: Spend money on "experiences" ? by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    See, I don't necessarily agree. Every time I spend much money on something like a vacation trip, I wind up really frustrated and stressed for months after the fact,realizing that all that money is gone with nothing to show for it except some photos.

    If that's all that you end up with after a vacation, then you're not doing it right...

    Most of my vacations are adventures. My trips are to places that I have never been before. I don't mind checking out the tourist spots, but I usually like to explore off the beaten track, experience new cultures, and find out what or who is just around the corner. I learn and grow with each trip/adventure, which is worth more to me than the money spent.

    I agree that you can have great adventures in your home country, city, etc. People often don't see what they have right under their noses.

  194. As a huge gadget geek... by locater16 · · Score: 1

    A pair of "Ultra" book should run you less than $2,000 all told. I'm sitting here typing on a Sony Vaio Ultra Book that cost me $700 last year, and except for the low res screen (hey, pay for what you get) I've got no complaints. I can play DOTA 2 at medium settings, smooth as butter while something simultaneously streams to a nearby PS3. These things are sleek, high performance, and well worth the money. If you're a big gamer you could get one with a dedicated Nvidia mobile card and not even bother with the desktop.

    As for a camera, since you just mentioned it offhand I'm guessing you're not big into photography. So it really depends on what you want. If you're up to spending $500-$600 you can get a Sony RX100, a perfectly pocketable camera that will get you photos equal of a somewhat older professional DSLR. It's that sharp. If you're not that into it, then honestly modern high end smartphones are getting good at this stuff. An iPhone 5 or something similar (go to engadget for reviews) will net you "good enough" photos. Or, alternatively, if you wanted to start photography as a hobby you could pick up a Panasonic GH2 or Sony NEX mirrorless camera, which will give you all the manual control, features, and often image quality of a DSLR without the cost.

    As for a TV, honestly it's so competitive you just select your size and price range and look over a few reviews. Companies are at razor thin margins for HDTV's so one or two (or whatever) excellent ones can be had for a good price all around.

    Hmmm... speakers are speakers. Bose are overpriced so get something else for half the cost that's just as good. But otherwise I think that about covers it. Like I said, don't bother with a desktop unless you REALLY want one. I've got mine sitting, disassembled since I moved for 2 months now. Haven't used it thanks to my cool laptop, though that may change if I end up getting Crysis 3. Which is why I suggested a dedicated Nvidia card.

    You could always stream stuff to your tv's and ditch a cable/satellite service entirely. A Roku is extremely user friendly, and between Netflix and Hulu Plus you'd have a good selection. Even better if you've certain proclivities visa vis copyright. A fast internet connection can do wonders, and PS3 media server makes it supremely easy to stream things to a 360 or PS3, or any DLNA device so far as I know. Not to mention most new laptops have HDMI out on them.

    Anyway, that's all I can think of. Good luck!

  195. Re:Dictionary by SAU! · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that be murdererize?

  196. TV? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Why would you replace the TV? Be glad that it was stolen.

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  197. Dog bites intruder in 50 states? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    dog bites an intruder in all 50 states

    Wow, that dog and his owner must get around, not to mention having the most horrible luck.

    Still, google for "state law dog bit intruder"

    Washington - Dog owners in Washington are responsible for keeping their dogs in an enclosed area. If someone enters the enclosed area during a burglary or while committing some other crime, they could be responsible for any dog attack that takes place on the property. (I blame the wishy-washy wording on it being a lawyer advice website.).
    Generic for many states - In most states, dog owners aren't liable to trespassers who are injured by a dog. But the rules are convoluted and vary significantly from state to state.
    Same basic rules, different site - Common law holds a person who owns what he knows to be a 'dangerous dog' liable regardless of a person's status, but most common law states are 'reluctant' to find liability on behalf of a trespasser/criminal.

    You must not have been searching very effectively if you spent "2 hours" searching, I found these sights in less time than it took to compose this post.

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    1. Re:Dog bites intruder in 50 states? by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

      Try Lexis Nexis and law libraries and actually read the case law and state laws rather then Google. I'll take actual case law and statutes rather then the random opinions of bloggers and journalists who skimmed a few cases for exceptions.

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    2. Re:Dog bites intruder in 50 states? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I'll take actual case law and statutes rather then the random opinions of bloggers and journalists who skimmed a few cases for exceptions.

      Did you even look at the sites I linked to? The first TWO were legal websites!

      The law seems clear - the Owner is responsible UNLESS the one bitten was an illegal intruder, or the bite was provoked via an illegal act.

      You set yourself a high bar when you said "all 50 states", "will be put down"(not may), and "will, not might, be liable". Which is why I stopped after 3 sites, and didn't bother looking up more states.

      Given that I've listed 3 sources, how about you quote some actual case law holding dog owners responsible for bites against illegal intruders? I figure the reason it's hard to find is that it's so settled that most lawyers laugh the criminals out of their office, long before it reaches the court.

      Oh, just another nail - California Civil Code 3342 states:
      (a) The owner of any dog is liable for the damages suffered by any person who is bitten by the dog while in a public place or lawfully in a private place, including the property of the owner of the dog, regardless of the former viciousness of the dog or the owner's knowledge of such viciousness. A person is lawfully upon the private property of such owner within the meaning of this section when he is on such property in the performance of any duty imposed upon him by the laws of this state or by the laws or postal regulations of the United States, or when he is on such property upon the invitation, express or implied, of the owner.

      Note the 'lawfully'. If you've broken into somebody's home you're not there lawfully, ergo if the dog bites you it's your own fault.

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  198. Re:Dictionary by shagman420 · · Score: 1

    If they picked your pocket, did you get "pickled"?

  199. Buy a wooden shack by Centurix · · Score: 1

    By a wooden shack in the forest, wear a hoodie, write cryptic letters to local, state and federal government, learn how to make pipe bombs and wait.

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  200. CCTV with remote hosting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least that way if it happens again, you'll likely know who the culprits are. (Also don't skimp too much on the cameras, having pixel-face as the ID to go on probably isn't good enough.) There has got to be at least one reasonable solution in regards to this that's affordable. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.

  201. I believe that's spelled "moiderize". by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    As in when Moe Howard says, "I'll moiderize ya, ya imbecile." Or is it Curly who says, moiderize?" I forget.

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  202. Related: OS X screensaver without password? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a little related....I want to turn on disk encryption on my HTPC (mac mini) but don't want a password to be required to bring it back from screensaver. Lion requires a screensaver password if encryption is on. Is there a screensaver I can get that won't require a password even if disk encryption is on? My thinking is that if someone is going to rob me, they're going to take it (unplug it) and fiddle with it later, not on the spot. Cutting the power would leave the drive encrypted, but not requiring a password would avoid the mini interfering with me using it easily in the meantime.

  203. Warning! They come back. by rew · · Score: 1

    WARNING!

    The thieves come back after a week or two to get all your new stuff you bought with the insurance money!!!

  204. Re: Spend money on "experiences" ? by airdweller · · Score: 1

    "Every time I spend much money on something like a vacation trip, I wind up really frustrated and stressed for months after the fact,realizing that all that money is gone with nothing to show for it except some photos."
    Sorry, but you have only yourself to blame for this. You either didn't plan it right, or were with the wrong crowd, etc. Memories of the time spent the right way with the right person/people are much more valuable than any electronic gadget. Do you think you'll be reminiscing about that big TV or laptop on your death bed?

  205. Picture-frame an LCD by Richard_J_N · · Score: 1

    Rather than buying a new TV, consider doing what I did: find a nice large LCD monitor, take off the plastic, and take it to a picture-framers. Then get it framed in the style you like. I now have an antique gilded-frame that plays DVDs :-)

    Also, get a NAS unit in your basement, then make sure all your computing hardware is dead silent. It's so nice that way!

  206. Re:Dictionary by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    I have never heard anyone American use the term "burgled", except my sister--and she wanders around calling everything bloody, putting things in her car's boot, and buying petrol.

  207. Opportunity in disguise by doug141 · · Score: 1

    It got so hard farming bitcoins I had to find somehting else. I learned CFLs save $40 over the life of the bulb. Got a room with 300 in there now. Quit my job!

  208. Security by Jimbob+The+Mighty · · Score: 1

    Get a really good security system, and expect to get broken into again real soon... the thieves know you now have nice shiny brand new stuff to steal.

  209. Re:Dictionary by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    No they are wevil wobbers.

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  210. An alternative take on your security plans by cheros · · Score: 1

    Could I suggest you invest in a double security setup? One that is visible, is possibly noisy and easy to detect - and which you plan to lose - and another one comprised of covert, cabled pinhole cameras at just below eye height which transmit their data to a server account (FTP tends to be well supported).

    This ensures that the next visit (which is almost guaranteed) will be the one that gets them caught, because they will focus on your visible alarm - totally missing the second circuit (also because it doesn't emit anything using cables). You can augment it with IR light, but make sure it's not near the cameras.

    I always add an element of deception in coverage - and it changes with every design.

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  211. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, because we don't say col-oor or neighb-oor. Or col-hour or neighb-hour.

    Well how do you pronounce them? Come to think of it th-oogh, it's time to go off and earn some d-oogh.

  212. Make sure they don't steal the second set of stuff by GrantRobertson · · Score: 1

    As someone who was in your situation years ago, I highly recommend spending at least a couple thousand of that money simply making your house an impenetrable fortress. Guns and dogs only do any good AFTER the burglar is IN your home. The idea is to simply make it impossible to get in without a chain-saw.

    Steal doors. Reinforced door-jam with extra long dead-bolt. Bars on the windows or windows that have reinforced locks, reinforced glass, and the "grilles" between the panes are steel instead of wood or plastic. Extra long screws to screw in the hinges (both on the door and jam sides). Break resistant sliding glass doors and front storm doors (throw away and never use the screen). Be sure and beef up EVERY entry to your house, not just the one they broke through in the first place.

    I guarantee you that the people who robbed you are watching your house and waiting for you to buy all new stuff. It is worth lots more to them. If they see you putting in all that extra security, they will not try to break in again.

  213. negligent? by mevets · · Score: 1

    This thread is the airing of violent revenge fantasies to sooth the stress and anxiety of a desperate state of inadequacy and powerlessness. All you have is negligent? Right fucking insane, the whole lot of them. Except for the G*P who was clearly making a too early jab at trigger happy para-athletes.

    Now back to fantasy land.

    Would it sound too gay if I said I wanted to shoot them in the face?

  214. Re:Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is true, but as much as it pains me to say it as a prescriptivist (damn those corpus linguists!), common use sometimes eclipses prescription.

    Example: Octopus. The dictionary plural is 'octopuses.' The hypercorrect smart-asses who think it is Latin say 'Octopi.' It is, however, Greek in origin; the truly pedantic plural would be 'Octopodoi'

    Even I would call that ridiculous.

  215. Well, for one by Wordplay · · Score: 1

    ...get better insurance.

  216. Desktop OS suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of forking over a significant amount for a Windows install (smart move, I think, even though I'm guilty of running W7), go for a free Linux distro that has a good community and the features you're looking for. That is, if you're cool with Linux.

  217. Bungled! by nanospook · · Score: 1

    Where's that Goatse link when you need it?

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  218. Toothbrushes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First things first, Replace your tothbrushes.

    You never know what they used them for or on.

  219. Buy Better Locks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy bump proof locks. If you don't know what bumping a lock is, search on youtube and watch how easy it is to bump a standard lock. Put bars on your windows. If you have an HOA and they complain, make them put in writing that they guarantee to provide security for your residence.

  220. Go minimal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Likely they'll hit your place in a week or two, when they think you've got new stuff. Go minimal...get shit they won't want.

  221. Debutante! by itwasgreektome · · Score: 1

    No Windows, how elitist. Perhaps you should spend the rest of the money on LP Tom Petty and Radiohead albums. Not that there's anything wrong with those artists, I'd just rather get a CD which is cheaper, better, and longer lasting.

  222. Re:Dictionary by FireFury03 · · Score: 0

    Well, it just follows the pattern. Burglars don't burgle, they burglarize. Murderers don't murder, they murderize. Etc.

    The person who commits an act of burglarization is a burglarizer?

  223. Re: Dictionary by trepanne · · Score: 1

    Clearly you don't do any real cooking. If nothing else, doing liquid volume/weight conversions based on 1g = 1ml is a game changer. And remind me how many tablespoons are in a quarter cup, again?

  224. Re:Dictionary by kevkingofthesea · · Score: 1

    What about smaller conversions? Say, feet to inches to fractions of inches vs. meters to centimeters to millimeters? It's a whole lot easier to figure out what 3/10 of a cm is than it is to figure out what 3/32 of an inch is.

  225. Jerk by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Also, no Windows computers allowed in my house.

    What does that have to do with the robbery _at all_?? Maybe you were robbed by Karma for being an ideologue.

  226. Fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 desktops, 2 laptops, an old Proliant server, 2 UPS's, Printer, 2 TV's, fax machine, scanner, DVD players, 3 cameras.....you get the idea.

    I'm getting the idea that all that caused an electrical fire.

    What was the cause of the fire? How old was the house? What if anything did you do to mitigate against future fire risk?

    Captcha says "charcoal". That seems inappropriate.

  227. Re:Dictionary by GWRedDragon · · Score: 1

    Additionally, the distinction in the law is also a recognition of the added danger to all parties inherent in robbery. When someone takes things by threat of force, we take that threat at face value. Victims threatened with violence also typically have a right to retaliate in self-defense, and this is a possibility a robber is expected to reasonably anticipate as a consequence of their actions.

  228. Celebrate no more Bose by rambilly · · Score: 1

    overpriced mediocre equipment you can find some nice Definitive Tech satellites or Klipsch that will humble any Bose system

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  229. Join the NRA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a gun. protect yourself and your family.
    Learn how to be an American instead of a victim.

    Also, put in a surveillance system.

  230. Pawn shop by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Look up pawn shops in your area. You might find some of your stuff. If you do, you might be able to track it back to the asshole that stole it in the first place. If not, offer them something if you see something you like. The price is a suggestion. I have a nice big honkin' Visio in my bedroom, $100 from a pawn shop. There are some deals out there. Don't get what you want, try another shop. Computers are often real hard to get a good deal at a pawn shop though. They think old crap is still valuable. Craigs list, ebay, friends sometimes. Some people have old outdated stuff just laying on their office floor at home.... like me. Plenty good to run Fedora.

    Also understand that it's often the case that the burglar is someone you know. Sometimes your next door neighbour. Just sayin' Check out Chris Rock's niggas vs black people. It's funny!

  231. Re:Dictionary by nobaloney · · Score: 1

    At least they didn't sell him an encyclopedia set

    Boy did that bring back memories. In the mid 60s, when I was a university student, I sold encyclopedias. I didn't do too well, though I never jumped out of any windows. I knew two fellow students who did very well at it, actually, and never bothered with graduating.

  232. Re: Dictionary by SavedLinuXgeeK · · Score: 1

    2 tbsp = 1 ounce
    1/4 cup = 2 ounces
    Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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  233. Shhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The privatized prison industry is a growing investment for us. We can't have people like you telling people they're not in danger.

  234. Re: Dictionary by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Are they Imperial ounces and tbsps, or American? I know the "cups" measure must be American, becazuse it's only used here in recipes translated (partly) from American. And it''s a rare week when I don't have to stop and try to remember if the person I'm talking to thinks there are 3.7-something liters to the gallon, or 4.5-something.

    Get with it, America, and get just the one set of measurements that agrees with the rest of the world! Not the hodge-podge mess you have at the moment.

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