It's not fair at all to make that comparisons. Intellectual property such as a trademark works on a different fundamental level than something like copyright. Knockoff products could exist under their own name as a blatant imitation of a premium product without sharing the premium products name. This is, in fact, quite often the case in the USA. You can often buy generic clothing or food which has a striking resemblance to a premium product, but under a store's own brand name. It's cheaper and usually obviously less in quality, but it doesn't destroy the premium brandname, and the more premium names not only continue to exist, but seem to thrive.
In China, this is not quite the case. Products not only blatantly imitate more premium items, but they rip off the name as well, sometimes as a deliberate act of deception. This is fundamentally different, as it is essentially tricking the customer into buying something other than what they think they are buying. This isn't true in the USA example above, where generic brands are always labeled as a generic brand.
This is a lot closer to outright stealing than, say, downloading a song, or using some software in a way that breaches some esoteric license. I can't imagine many people in America purchasing goods whose tags have been stolen from different items and placed on cheaper knockoffs, at least not in a common area of business such as on display in a store. It may happen from time to time, in a similar way to stolen goods being sold, but most people would not put up with it. If you buy a generic knockoff you know what you are getting, but if you buy a knockoff which impersonates a premium brand, not only do you not know what you're getting, you might not know what you're getting if you try to buy legitimate items of premium brands. It universally lowers the confidence of customers and significantly affects business.
If companies in China couldn't get away with selling their own items with "Sony" labels, we would all be much better for it, and they would be better off for it on their own. If companies there produced "Sony-style" items under their own brand names, then the issue you cite wouldn't be a problem. If a company made Caterpillar-style equipment and named themselves Chinapillar, their products would stand on their own merit and Chinapillar might even become a well known Chinese brand of reliable industrial equipment.
Then again, maybe these are surplus US Army units. It's good to see the Army recoup some of its investment by pawning them off on the Iraqis after we realized they weren't capable of finding hidden explosive devices. Hoo-ah!
While those may be silly, listening to the devil's voice by playing a record backwards never failed and then blew up the immediate surroundings, nor did it cost tens of thousands of dollars per unit.
Poor and dumb may have a fairly strong correlation, but it doesn't really say much. To suggest that your experience has somehow proven this, let alone that you could prove it with a trip shopping together -- as if poor people can afford a lot of shopping.
If you seriously believe this one hypothetical experience proves anything significant, let alone that you could predict the outcome of this one hypothetical experience on in any kind of generalized way, then you are indeed very ignorant.
It's funny you cite all those slums and ghettoes. Where are the Italian slums and Irish ghettoes now? Every member of your list is a place. Those Irish, Italians, and people growing up in Appalachia have a significant, definite chance, however small it may be, to work their way out of the ghetto. Black people in America largely do not, or if they do, it is obviously a significantly smaller chance than do other groups of people.
The real question is, why after a generation of post civil rights marches and such, things haven't really changed? Why haven't more Black people not availed themselves to free education?
We just elected a black man president.
Change isn't some magical thing where suddenly, one day, everything is completely different. Most people do not even recognize change as it is happening, they recognize it after it has already occurred. For a very, very long time, blacks in America have lived in a country which was either outwardly hostile to them or completely unsympathetic to their situation.
As you said, it's been about a generation "post civil rights and such". Eisenhower forced desegregation of schools in the South in the 50s; exactly what effect do you think that should have? Starting around 1960, blacks finally had an "equal" opportunity for education. I say "equal" because it still obviously isn't quite completely equal, even though it is no longer strict segregation. It's been about one generation, at most -- the people who could go to desegregated schools have grown into adults and have probably had children of their own.
One adult got the opportunity to receive a good education, and with this opportunity comes the potential to take advantage of it or waste it, just like any other. The rates for wasting it are probably slightly higher still because of the quality of education they may receive, as well as coming from a background where it may not be highly stressed, or where it may be completely unaffordable. One pair of adults have one set of children, who receive a similar opportunity. There's still a lot of work to be done, both by the people who sometimes unknowingly support discrimination against blacks, who must recognize their faults and their communities' faults in prolonging the poverty of blacks, and even moreso by the blacks themselves, who must work hard as individuals in order to take advantage of the opportunities presented.
One of the major problems is that the black subculture in America has been so shattered that it has no real ambition. There are very few role models. The role models they do have have often been forced into specific tracts of life. It should be obvious that the "success" achievable for a white man in America aren't as available to black men in America, for a variety of reasons. As such, the underclass tends to focus its skill, effort, and talents in other areas, especially ones which have an emphasis on individual abilities and personal distinction, in part to separate them from the negative stereotypes. Look at the histories of American music and writing in the 20th century, or at cultural phenomena, where many have a very profound impact from black people who managed to be successful and innovative. The blues, jazz, swing, and rock and roll all have very, very distinctive black roots. Blacks are commonly depicted as being better dancers or perhaps better singers. American literature abounds with black poets and writers, with a much greater proportion than could ever be expected normally. Look at sports, especially in the latter half of the 20th century and on to today, where black athletes have practically dominated. Why is this so?
It's one of the few avenues of life where they are allowed to be successful, and everything in their lives is practically constructed to shift them into having a focus in those areas. Remember how I said they are often lacking in role models? Many of the role models they do have succeeded in areas like this. Kids all over dreamt of
You're right, calling it simply an electrical problem is kind of misleading. There was some loose connection when the key was in a certain position (while in the on position), something would short, and it would shut off. Fully off, not just the engine. I had to turn the key into the full-off position and restart it in order to get it going again. Sometimes if I jiggled it just right I could restart it right away without switching it completely off.
I didn't mean to be misleading, but it can definitely happen! There's also multiple definitions of "off". A lot of ignition switches have off, accessories, on, start. Some have multiple off positions. Either way, simply turning the car off isn't guaranteed to work, as was suggested. It's not likely to lock up the steering wheel.
I'm fairly certain that that car would have to be switched off quickly to shut off the engine and then back into the on position in order for power steering and brakes to work, but I'm not positive. Some may not, but the point is that it's definitely not true across the board.
It's also been pointed out that the car in question doesn't even have anything resembling an ignition switch, it has a power button that works like the ones on most computers, which sounds crazy to me. It also perfectly explains why someone might not consider shutting off the car.
You are right, they work by knowing the number of rotations. It's also how the speedometer works. Rather than build two separate mechanisms to do the same thing, they use one.
This is not true. Although this was in an older car, I've personally had an engine turned off while driving due to an electrical problem. The engine was still turning.
Not only did I lose power steering, but the steering wheel actually locked because I turned it too far.
Every odometer I've ever had was tied to the speedometer. How do you think they work? I even knew someone who disconnected the speedometer on a German made car in order to keep the mileage down. On the highway you could judge your speed by the number of RPMs, and use normal judgment otherwise.
Doesn't whitelisting imply that javascript would be shut off otherwise? You'd be just coming to the site via a link, only to not launch the CSRF since you have javascript disabled.
And it's not under three levels of menus, as the GP said, unless he meant it takes three clicks to get there (click on tools, click on quick preferences, click on edit site prefrences).
it's a 30,000 lb bomb with 5,000 lb of explosives, that hits its target (after being dropped from very high altitudes) over twice the speed of sound. What exactly do you think kinetic bombardment is?
I was initially kind of shocked at the lack of distinction between ads and legit results, but then I looked at this screenshot someone else posted: http://i29.tinypic.com/mihpqw.png
uhhhh, I do. Well, not really, but if I leave either of the lamps on in my bedroom for a period of time, it makes the room noticeably warmer. Which is what makes me choose to do or not do it sometimes.
why is everybody saying this? I guess the radiators along the floor on certain walls only heat the wall and ceiling above them. Except not, they heat my entire room.
What kind of dumb kids believe things they saw, read, or played? are you serious?
You may not have noticed this, but children learn as they grow up. What they learn is based on what goes on around them. This is why, for example, you speak English.
That this game induces people to join the army is not even up for debate. The only question here has to do with how appropriate it is to teach our children this.
I'm starting to see this more and more. People seem to think that party politics has civil war as some kind of eventuality, and merrily throw out the idea that it's time for a revolution. Of course, every single person who does it seems to think a violent uprising is somehow easier to establish than it is to disestablish our current political parties from their currently entrenched positions.
I mean, really. You think a country of 300 million people would fight itself before reorganizing a political party structure? Really?
Every single person, including the both of you two, seem to like the idea of tossing out a phrase like "me too, I'm in for the revolution", as if your token resistance to power structure is accomplishing anything. I hate to tell you this, but it isn't, because the only thing it does is engender similar sentiment, rather than do anything even remotely productive.
Anyone who shares an earnest similar sentiment is completely out of touch with reality and does not, it seems, understand the political structures that have made great this country function so well for almost a quarter of a millennium.
The American Revolution wasn't a bunch of people saying "me too, I hate those faggots" about the British. It was a mostly educated populace subjected to various transgressions which escalated to the point where self-governance was the only option. Without the clear thinking and intelligence of the majority of the people who fought as rebels to form a new government, it would have been an almost comically bad failure, and only almost comical because of the number of deaths it surely would have produced for no real benefit.
You two, and everyone like you, keep on writing your "me too, this sux", if you wish. But please don't delude yourself into thinking you are in any way similar to the founding fathers of the USA. You are children in school, who dislike their somewhat strict teacher, writing on your desks about how much he sucks, and will accomplish just as much.
Your suggestion to promote the progress of science is to force would-be inventors to spend their nights selling tacos instead of, say, sleeping, or inventing?
We want cases like this to lose. We need Joe Sixpack to start feeling the pain of the broken copyright system. Nothing will change until Joe can't record American Idol and starts to wonder why.
We want cases like this to lose to set an example kind of like we want to implement Stalinist communism so that everyone will feel the pain of it and fight against it.
If you're putting an ad hom aside, shouldn't you not spend the rest of your post writing some enviro-wacko-rage rebuttal about how you've been injustly misconstrued as an enviro-wacko?
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It's not fair at all to make that comparisons. Intellectual property such as a trademark works on a different fundamental level than something like copyright. Knockoff products could exist under their own name as a blatant imitation of a premium product without sharing the premium products name. This is, in fact, quite often the case in the USA. You can often buy generic clothing or food which has a striking resemblance to a premium product, but under a store's own brand name. It's cheaper and usually obviously less in quality, but it doesn't destroy the premium brandname, and the more premium names not only continue to exist, but seem to thrive.
In China, this is not quite the case. Products not only blatantly imitate more premium items, but they rip off the name as well, sometimes as a deliberate act of deception. This is fundamentally different, as it is essentially tricking the customer into buying something other than what they think they are buying. This isn't true in the USA example above, where generic brands are always labeled as a generic brand.
This is a lot closer to outright stealing than, say, downloading a song, or using some software in a way that breaches some esoteric license. I can't imagine many people in America purchasing goods whose tags have been stolen from different items and placed on cheaper knockoffs, at least not in a common area of business such as on display in a store. It may happen from time to time, in a similar way to stolen goods being sold, but most people would not put up with it. If you buy a generic knockoff you know what you are getting, but if you buy a knockoff which impersonates a premium brand, not only do you not know what you're getting, you might not know what you're getting if you try to buy legitimate items of premium brands. It universally lowers the confidence of customers and significantly affects business.
If companies in China couldn't get away with selling their own items with "Sony" labels, we would all be much better for it, and they would be better off for it on their own. If companies there produced "Sony-style" items under their own brand names, then the issue you cite wouldn't be a problem. If a company made Caterpillar-style equipment and named themselves Chinapillar, their products would stand on their own merit and Chinapillar might even become a well known Chinese brand of reliable industrial equipment.
Maybe they'll finally find some of the WMDs!
Then again, maybe these are surplus US Army units. It's good to see the Army recoup some of its investment by pawning them off on the Iraqis after we realized they weren't capable of finding hidden explosive devices. Hoo-ah!
While those may be silly, listening to the devil's voice by playing a record backwards never failed and then blew up the immediate surroundings, nor did it cost tens of thousands of dollars per unit.
Poor and dumb may have a fairly strong correlation, but it doesn't really say much. To suggest that your experience has somehow proven this, let alone that you could prove it with a trip shopping together -- as if poor people can afford a lot of shopping.
If you seriously believe this one hypothetical experience proves anything significant, let alone that you could predict the outcome of this one hypothetical experience on in any kind of generalized way, then you are indeed very ignorant.
It's funny you cite all those slums and ghettoes. Where are the Italian slums and Irish ghettoes now? Every member of your list is a place. Those Irish, Italians, and people growing up in Appalachia have a significant, definite chance, however small it may be, to work their way out of the ghetto. Black people in America largely do not, or if they do, it is obviously a significantly smaller chance than do other groups of people.
We just elected a black man president.
Change isn't some magical thing where suddenly, one day, everything is completely different. Most people do not even recognize change as it is happening, they recognize it after it has already occurred. For a very, very long time, blacks in America have lived in a country which was either outwardly hostile to them or completely unsympathetic to their situation.
As you said, it's been about a generation "post civil rights and such". Eisenhower forced desegregation of schools in the South in the 50s; exactly what effect do you think that should have? Starting around 1960, blacks finally had an "equal" opportunity for education. I say "equal" because it still obviously isn't quite completely equal, even though it is no longer strict segregation. It's been about one generation, at most -- the people who could go to desegregated schools have grown into adults and have probably had children of their own.
One adult got the opportunity to receive a good education, and with this opportunity comes the potential to take advantage of it or waste it, just like any other. The rates for wasting it are probably slightly higher still because of the quality of education they may receive, as well as coming from a background where it may not be highly stressed, or where it may be completely unaffordable. One pair of adults have one set of children, who receive a similar opportunity. There's still a lot of work to be done, both by the people who sometimes unknowingly support discrimination against blacks, who must recognize their faults and their communities' faults in prolonging the poverty of blacks, and even moreso by the blacks themselves, who must work hard as individuals in order to take advantage of the opportunities presented.
One of the major problems is that the black subculture in America has been so shattered that it has no real ambition. There are very few role models. The role models they do have have often been forced into specific tracts of life. It should be obvious that the "success" achievable for a white man in America aren't as available to black men in America, for a variety of reasons. As such, the underclass tends to focus its skill, effort, and talents in other areas, especially ones which have an emphasis on individual abilities and personal distinction, in part to separate them from the negative stereotypes. Look at the histories of American music and writing in the 20th century, or at cultural phenomena, where many have a very profound impact from black people who managed to be successful and innovative. The blues, jazz, swing, and rock and roll all have very, very distinctive black roots. Blacks are commonly depicted as being better dancers or perhaps better singers. American literature abounds with black poets and writers, with a much greater proportion than could ever be expected normally. Look at sports, especially in the latter half of the 20th century and on to today, where black athletes have practically dominated. Why is this so?
It's one of the few avenues of life where they are allowed to be successful, and everything in their lives is practically constructed to shift them into having a focus in those areas. Remember how I said they are often lacking in role models? Many of the role models they do have succeeded in areas like this. Kids all over dreamt of
You're right, calling it simply an electrical problem is kind of misleading. There was some loose connection when the key was in a certain position (while in the on position), something would short, and it would shut off. Fully off, not just the engine. I had to turn the key into the full-off position and restart it in order to get it going again. Sometimes if I jiggled it just right I could restart it right away without switching it completely off.
I didn't mean to be misleading, but it can definitely happen! There's also multiple definitions of "off". A lot of ignition switches have off, accessories, on, start. Some have multiple off positions. Either way, simply turning the car off isn't guaranteed to work, as was suggested. It's not likely to lock up the steering wheel.
I'm fairly certain that that car would have to be switched off quickly to shut off the engine and then back into the on position in order for power steering and brakes to work, but I'm not positive. Some may not, but the point is that it's definitely not true across the board.
It's also been pointed out that the car in question doesn't even have anything resembling an ignition switch, it has a power button that works like the ones on most computers, which sounds crazy to me. It also perfectly explains why someone might not consider shutting off the car.
You are right, they work by knowing the number of rotations. It's also how the speedometer works. Rather than build two separate mechanisms to do the same thing, they use one.
This is not true. Although this was in an older car, I've personally had an engine turned off while driving due to an electrical problem. The engine was still turning.
Not only did I lose power steering, but the steering wheel actually locked because I turned it too far.
The BMWs I can remember all indicate 10 mph while parked.
(the scale is from 10 mph to 160 mph)
Every odometer I've ever had was tied to the speedometer. How do you think they work? I even knew someone who disconnected the speedometer on a German made car in order to keep the mileage down. On the highway you could judge your speed by the number of RPMs, and use normal judgment otherwise.
Perhaps your GPS is in error?
Doesn't whitelisting imply that javascript would be shut off otherwise? You'd be just coming to the site via a link, only to not launch the CSRF since you have javascript disabled.
And it's not under three levels of menus, as the GP said, unless he meant it takes three clicks to get there (click on tools, click on quick preferences, click on edit site prefrences).
Russia doesn't censor what you write, it just censors the people who write. After the fact. With a gun.
what are you talking about?
it's a 30,000 lb bomb with 5,000 lb of explosives, that hits its target (after being dropped from very high altitudes) over twice the speed of sound. What exactly do you think kinetic bombardment is?
That's all right, because the government is owned by the Russians, so nobody from Iceland is censoring anything.
I was initially kind of shocked at the lack of distinction between ads and legit results, but then I looked at this screenshot someone else posted: http://i29.tinypic.com/mihpqw.png
Apparently there aren't any.
http://i31.tinypic.com/35906z7.png
Are you serious?
Gee, nuclear weapons can be used to devastate civilization as we know it. It'll still be news if it ever happens.
How about you spend a little time thinking before you speak?
Unless they read that everyone in the world thinks that it looks like a piglet, and they go "oh, yeah, it kinda does look like a piglet".
uhhhh, I do. Well, not really, but if I leave either of the lamps on in my bedroom for a period of time, it makes the room noticeably warmer. Which is what makes me choose to do or not do it sometimes.
why is everybody saying this? I guess the radiators along the floor on certain walls only heat the wall and ceiling above them. Except not, they heat my entire room.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/quakes_all.php
I'm guessing you haven't seen Hitler's artwork.
What kind of dumb kids believe things they saw, read, or played? are you serious?
You may not have noticed this, but children learn as they grow up. What they learn is based on what goes on around them. This is why, for example, you speak English.
That this game induces people to join the army is not even up for debate. The only question here has to do with how appropriate it is to teach our children this.
I'm starting to see this more and more. People seem to think that party politics has civil war as some kind of eventuality, and merrily throw out the idea that it's time for a revolution. Of course, every single person who does it seems to think a violent uprising is somehow easier to establish than it is to disestablish our current political parties from their currently entrenched positions.
I mean, really. You think a country of 300 million people would fight itself before reorganizing a political party structure? Really?
Every single person, including the both of you two, seem to like the idea of tossing out a phrase like "me too, I'm in for the revolution", as if your token resistance to power structure is accomplishing anything. I hate to tell you this, but it isn't, because the only thing it does is engender similar sentiment, rather than do anything even remotely productive.
Anyone who shares an earnest similar sentiment is completely out of touch with reality and does not, it seems, understand the political structures that have made great this country function so well for almost a quarter of a millennium.
The American Revolution wasn't a bunch of people saying "me too, I hate those faggots" about the British. It was a mostly educated populace subjected to various transgressions which escalated to the point where self-governance was the only option. Without the clear thinking and intelligence of the majority of the people who fought as rebels to form a new government, it would have been an almost comically bad failure, and only almost comical because of the number of deaths it surely would have produced for no real benefit.
You two, and everyone like you, keep on writing your "me too, this sux", if you wish. But please don't delude yourself into thinking you are in any way similar to the founding fathers of the USA. You are children in school, who dislike their somewhat strict teacher, writing on your desks about how much he sucks, and will accomplish just as much.
Your suggestion to promote the progress of science is to force would-be inventors to spend their nights selling tacos instead of, say, sleeping, or inventing?
We want cases like this to lose to set an example kind of like we want to implement Stalinist communism so that everyone will feel the pain of it and fight against it.
you are an idiot
If you're putting an ad hom aside, shouldn't you not spend the rest of your post writing some enviro-wacko-rage rebuttal about how you've been injustly misconstrued as an enviro-wacko?