A while back I was interested in learning how to develop/code for a console. There is a wide lack of information available anywhere, and after weeks of tracking someone down at sega, I found out their development system costs $50,000 (US) - not quite in the price range for someone looking to learn. The dreamcast is a great piece of hardware, and I would love to code for it, but I am not going to fork down that much money (I know, it is intended for companies, like capcom and such, but still)
Now, I know much development still needs to be done, but this is the first step, and surely others will start making their own api and tools for developing on the dreamcast.
The newton came out quite a while before the palms... in fact, palm was a company that programmed apps for the newton... And what difference does it make what os it's running? End functionality is all that really matters.
The internet doesn't exist to generate money for peoples / companies. It exists to facilitate the exchange of information.
Of course, over the past few years, most people have forgotten that as commercialism has reared its head.
If I don't want to waste my bandwith (or time, some of those ad servers take a while) downloading pointless animated gifs, it is MY decision to do so. Nothing is illegal or immoral with it.
If I go into a store and decide not to get their extended service plan with whatever I am purchasing, I am not breaking the law.
If I change the radio or tv when a commercial comes on because I am sick of hearing advertisements, I am not breaking the law.
Funny, I could say the same thing about your posts. Twice I have counted, in one glimpse of your page, you bitching and moaning like a teenage ho0r because someone happened to mention python. OH NO! IT ISN'T SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PERL 5,6! DIE DIE DIE DIE! Get over your friggin ego trip foo! Someone asked a question about perl, and someone answered it. He also mentioned a viable alternative.
You forget one thing. More pixels = more electricity (most likely) - a big challeng in portables is not sucking too much power out of it. I don't want to have to replace/recharge the batteries on my Palm every 4 hours. Likewise, I don't need that kind of resolution on my notebook at the moment, and I'd rather have longer runtimes than more pixels.
yes, but palmos works great on the palms already. linux on them is just an insult, to both linux and to palm:-P If the palm had more cpu, I would probably think differently...
Nor did I say it was impossible:-) I said impracticle. I should also add "of dubious use"
Just because it is possible to run linux on something doens't mean we should. I have jokingly made a post about that somewhere else in this article.
What caught my attention was the post (and the comment on the front of the article) that the people said they would buy a n64 just for this... just for what? What would you do with an n64 running linux? How many dollars would you throw into it to just be able to do the most basic of computer tasks? Face it, n64 is a console. It has one purpose, to play games. It is not suited very well for other purposes, and is really not the best thing to run a general-purpose os on.
I have the same feeling about linux on the palms... sure it can be done, but to what gain? What use would I gain out of it?
Most male engineers usually don't notice what gender a person is when they're at work.
Well, technically I'm not an engineer, but I think most men would notice if someone is male or female. I'd imagine most female engineers would be able to tell as well:-P
Now, whether they let that affect the manner in which they deal with that person is a completely different manner.
So, because John Katz's online experience has been different from yours, he's a "big dumb-head"? You have lost respect for John because he encountered different situations online and he decides to write about it? You don't even say "*I* think he's a big dumb-head" - you just admit it as if it were a fact? This seems to put John's articles right into perspective...
I admit I found your first article about the subculture of geeks somewhat interesting and thought provoking. Likewise with some of your previous articles.
While some of the 'slashdotters' will take all your words as a rant about personal (even though it's electronic and may have not been meant as a personal attack, it still is personal if the 'attackee' takes it personally) attacks against you, I can see that it is more of an anology to the net at large, and a clue into the minds of people (or at least I hope that is your intent, and I'm not looking too much into it)
As an admitted non-geek, you have undoubtedly faced many of the 'leet' linux dewds who feel you should turn around and never even look in their general directions - due to something as simple as some difficulty during installing linux or using a product made by microsoft. Heck, as a geek I myself have faced them and have been disgusted by their actions.
But on to my point (yes, there is one I wanted to say) - you seem to be embracing the mass media created stereotypes too much. I had the same problem with my ex-girlfriend. She didn't think I should get a pickup truck because 'only country folks' drive pickup trucks. You seem to be clumping geeks and computer lovers into a general description pulled out of magazines, news articles, and the jargon file. While that may fit some of 'us', maybe even a majority, it is by no means accurate depiction of the whole of us.
As for my thoughts on your recent article... I think that (as undoubtedly pointed out by others even though I formed this opinion even before reading the comments) that electronic communication represents the 'true' self opinion - not covered up by civil overtones and gracious words. People, even ones who seem kind and nice, are vicous animals. We are very aggressive at times, and a lot of us don't even recognize this aggressiveness. It manifests itselfs in the physical (as opposed to electronic-ie, the web) world in subtle ways, something as simple as looking at someone who offends you in some way, or talking louder than everyone else. Or bashing someone because they are not (admitidly) a geek yet they try to be part of our culture.
In the electronic world, this aggression is less hidden. There is no threat or fear of feasible physical violence to hold us back. No permanant reputation to stain. Even I have, usually only when very stressed or angry, attacked others in usenet. I am usually a mellow guy. Everyone thinks I am on drugs because of my mellowness. In the physical world, it takes a lot of effort to push me into anger. Only once have I ever physically hit someone, and I instantly hated myself for it. But, on the internet, I have struck out several times and have not regret it nearly as much.
Still, some of us are able to maintain some civility and make some usefullness out of it, instead of just attacking everything that comes into sight.
I don't think we are raising or training people to be vicous.
I would like to welcome you to the clan if (sometimes) intelligent people. We are a small clan, and our numbers do not grow quickly.
On another note, I have just perfected my advertisement for my soon to go IPO company, called linuxIPOmachine.
LinuxIPOmachine is proud to announce our latest innovative products for the average linux user. Recent studies and polls have determined that the average linux user will use anything with with linux and/or the words 'opensource' in it, so we have embraced this.
linuxphone. Using a stripped down version of linux, you can now use linux on our custom phone. Multi-tasking (call waiting required) is no problem! You can even telnet into the base unit via the handset and use the phone remotely!
linuxtoaster. Built for the hungry hacker. Extra wide slots ensure a wide variety of foodstuffs can be inserted into the device. 4 expansion slots for foodstuffs ensure that the device will not be outdated in 2 months. The custom linux kernel is specially suited for timing the neccessary amount of time to properly toast foodstuff - ensuring a proper toast every time!
OpenSource Screwdriver. The worlds first standards compliant open source screwdriver. No other company has released the plans to their screwdrivers.
linuxDoorbell. Once again proving that there is nothing that linux shouldn't be ported to, we have installed a custom version of the linux kernel into a doorbell. The multi-tasking nature of linux allows multiple doorbell rings at the same time, something that no other doorbell can claim!
OpenSource Can Opener. Following our OpenSource screwdriver is the Can Opener. The nature of OpenSource will allow any bug fixes and design flaws to be quickly corrected, ensuring the best damn can opener in the world.
OpenSource linuxPinball. A lot of people personally don't own a pinball machine or would give serious thought to purchasing one, but this is both OpenSource AND linux! Hurry and reserve yours now, before we are sold out!
There are more products on the way! Keep alert for more announcements from LinuxIPOmachine!
And where did you get this idea? Have you even looked at the page? Is my hair on fire? Oh no! It is!
From what I saw is he was simply going to attempt to build a link from his pc to the n64. I saw nothing about him attempting to make linux run on the n64, in fact, after *gasp* reading the article, he says it was impracticle to do it, with only 4mb of ram, no hd, no keyboard, etc. He hasn't even started to build the cable, from what I've seen.
Dear lord, can't anyone on slashdot read? Whoever posted this story/article should get negative karma points or something (a good whack with the clue stick would suffice I reckon) - READ the articles before posting them!
Never? Hah! I still remember the old win 3.x program manager/file manager easter egg...
Well, kinda remember it.
I think if you did help->about. ctrl-alt-shift left click on the microsoft logo. It shows a waving flag. Hit ok. do it again, and the credits come up. Or it was something similair to that. But I distinctly remember the credits would come up.
So, this person is a jackass/pervert for taking pictures of a naked chick in a public place? Who is "this person?" The owner of purdueonline? If not, I don't see what relevance this has to this article.
Under my understanding of the law, any pictures taken in public locations can be published however seen fit. If he snuck into your room and took pictures of you, then you'd have a right to be pissed. But he took pictures in a public location, where your friend WILLINGLY exposed herself to the crowd. Why, may I ask, is it any different if the people in the crowd see her naked in person or if they see her naked on a website?
Then you threaten the guy to take them down? Good thing he wasn't sue-happy as most Americans seem to be.
A few years back I made a little software program for my friends, said it was a preview of windows 2001. It was just a fullscreen visualbasic app that had a big button in the middle that said 'OK' - you click on it and it ran a random program.
Supposedly. But lets see, how long has it been since a recent code change has been posted? (it's been a while since I've checked, but last time I checked it was quite a while)
And then there's the use restrictions, you *must* link to slashdot from your site if you use slash...
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I don't know about you, but I don't look forward to replacing existing, working systems just because they are 3-5 years old... If it works, it works. I have a novel file server that has 2 years uptime. It does a great job, despite it's age. The other novel server, on the opposite side of the spectrum, is slow and kludgey, and is being replace with a linux/samaba machine. I pick linux over nt because - reliability, cost, and performance. I don't want to have to reset the cpu every week or so to reclaim memory. I don't want to have to spend thousands on user liscenses. I don't want my users complaining it is slow and cludgey.
As for w2k, I don't think it's going to gain momentum right off the bat. OEMs will be eager, consumers might be eager, but corporate enviroments should hold off, until it is more stable and proven. I think w2k will start off fairly well (in sales) and have a steady climb as time goes by.
I think that linux is gaining market share because a) it works b) it works fairly well c) there aren't any goofey liscensing agreements for every app you install. This is where the big money savings is. d) it works great without requiring a ton of hardware thrown into it. e) penguins are cute.
Unixs in general are more customizable without being able to destroy the system. I would have no problem with my users installing whatever they wanted as long as there was no risk of them hosing the system.
Compare that to windows... oh, I installed a virus infected app. whoops. Then, with nt, certain apps demand that you be administrator so it can mess with your system... Of course, that's no walk in the park to install.
Face it, the typical user (from my experience) is happy with changing the colors and background image, and maybe having one or two time wasters, like solitair or some form of instant messenger.
If Microsoft themselves weren't the cause for some of that reportedly intense weather. BillG: I summon you, lord of darkness and master of the regions of hell and keeper of the dark abyss. I summon you forth to do my bidding! Satan: Hi bill! What's up? BillG: Umm, we're having trouble with this contest thing, can you help us out? Satan: Sure thing old pal! KRACK! BOOM! THUNDER!
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Well, there's a fine line to be tread, that's for sure.
I have no problem with someone who lifts some gpl code to use as part of their project or as part of a bigger program, like say, using code from hmm, eject or something to use as a part of a removable disk management program. But if they just took the eject code, renamed the binary to ejector and re-released it, what's the point? That's basically what I'm seeing going on here. The only thing that I see them writing is a utility that lets applications be either Xwindowed or ncurses based. Then they are just taking all the packages and code that debian developers worked real hard to crank out - and there's a lot of packages.
I don't know, if there were more major differences, I would have a different opinion if stormix had more differences from debian... But as it is, it's just a plain lift... Oh, I'm sure they'll have to write a script to go through all the packages to replace debian with storm...
There's a difference between using and extending (egad, do I sound like microsoft there?) and just using...
I don't even know why this peeves me so much. Usually I'm more than happy to share the fruits of my work (graphics and code stuff) . . .
Why do we even need another distribution? I know stormix probably wants to make money off of services/support (didn't look too closely at the site though) - but why do they need their own (derivitive) distribution? Why not just support debian? They could then add any improvements, ie, their text/graphical installation utility (I don't see what the big push is recently torwards having an X based install program - why bother?) to the base system if it complies with debian guidelines...
Instead, they just blindely rip off all the hard work debian users have done (yes, I know they legally can, but that doesn't mean I like it any more) and slap a few utilities into it and call it storm linux.
Like we need any more derivitive distributions... Hey, let's mirror debian, run a text search and replace and replace all occurances of the word 'debian' with 'slashdot' and distribute our own slashdot linux!
"Better close the windows, the storm's coming in" - a quote or something like that from the stormix site.
Slashdot Mirror
Oh, and TWM is much prettier? Don't forget how old this is...
You, sir, have a very sick mind.
My guess it is either somneon masturbating or someone opening a bottle of wine.
I think it supposed to be 2 hands shaking, but it isn't done very well.
If I wanted to steal a piece of software, I would open it up and take the cd out. only dimwits would try to shoplift the whole box.
I worked as an assistant loss control once - the easiest people to catch were the ones who tried to take the whole box.
A while back I was interested in learning how to develop/code for a console. There is a wide lack of information available anywhere, and after weeks of tracking someone down at sega, I found out their development system costs $50,000 (US) - not quite in the price range for someone looking to learn. The dreamcast is a great piece of hardware, and I would love to code for it, but I am not going to fork down that much money (I know, it is intended for companies, like capcom and such, but still)
Now, I know much development still needs to be done, but this is the first step, and surely others will start making their own api and tools for developing on the dreamcast.
The newton came out quite a while before the palms... in fact, palm was a company that programmed apps for the newton... And what difference does it make what os it's running? End functionality is all that really matters.
Of course, over the past few years, most people have forgotten that as commercialism has reared its head.
If I don't want to waste my bandwith (or time, some of those ad servers take a while) downloading pointless animated gifs, it is MY decision to do so. Nothing is illegal or immoral with it.
If I go into a store and decide not to get their extended service plan with whatever I am purchasing, I am not breaking the law.
If I change the radio or tv when a commercial comes on because I am sick of hearing advertisements, I am not breaking the law.
I am not stealing from the radio, store or tv.
I am not stealing from the internet.
Funny, I could say the same thing about your posts. Twice I have counted, in one glimpse of your page, you bitching and moaning like a teenage ho0r because someone happened to mention python. OH NO! IT ISN'T SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PERL 5,6! DIE DIE DIE DIE!
Get over your friggin ego trip foo! Someone asked a question about perl, and someone answered it. He also mentioned a viable alternative.
You forget one thing. More pixels = more electricity (most likely) - a big challeng in portables is not sucking too much power out of it. I don't want to have to replace/recharge the batteries on my Palm every 4 hours. Likewise, I don't need that kind of resolution on my notebook at the moment, and I'd rather have longer runtimes than more pixels.
yes, but palmos works great on the palms already. linux on them is just an insult, to both linux and to palm :-P
If the palm had more cpu, I would probably think differently...
Nor did I say it was impossible :-) I said impracticle. I should also add "of dubious use"
Just because it is possible to run linux on something doens't mean we should. I have jokingly made a post about that somewhere else in this article.
What caught my attention was the post (and the comment on the front of the article) that the people said they would buy a n64 just for this... just for what? What would you do with an n64 running linux? How many dollars would you throw into it to just be able to do the most basic of computer tasks? Face it, n64 is a console. It has one purpose, to play games. It is not suited very well for other purposes, and is really not the best thing to run a general-purpose os on.
I have the same feeling about linux on the palms... sure it can be done, but to what gain? What use would I gain out of it?
Well, technically I'm not an engineer, but I think most men would notice if someone is male or female. I'd imagine most female engineers would be able to tell as well :-P
Now, whether they let that affect the manner in which they deal with that person is a completely different manner.
So, because John Katz's online experience has been different from yours, he's a "big dumb-head"? You have lost respect for John because he encountered different situations online and he decides to write about it? You don't even say "*I* think he's a big dumb-head" - you just admit it as if it were a fact? This seems to put John's articles right into perspective...
I admit I found your first article about the subculture of geeks somewhat interesting and thought provoking. Likewise with some of your previous articles.
While some of the 'slashdotters' will take all your words as a rant about personal (even though it's electronic and may have not been meant as a personal attack, it still is personal if the 'attackee' takes it personally) attacks against you, I can see that it is more of an anology to the net at large, and a clue into the minds of people (or at least I hope that is your intent, and I'm not looking too much into it)
As an admitted non-geek, you have undoubtedly faced many of the 'leet' linux dewds who feel you should turn around and never even look in their general directions - due to something as simple as some difficulty during installing linux or using a product made by microsoft. Heck, as a geek I myself have faced them and have been disgusted by their actions.
But on to my point (yes, there is one I wanted to say) - you seem to be embracing the mass media created stereotypes too much. I had the same problem with my ex-girlfriend. She didn't think I should get a pickup truck because 'only country folks' drive pickup trucks. You seem to be clumping geeks and computer lovers into a general description pulled out of magazines, news articles, and the jargon file. While that may fit some of 'us', maybe even a majority, it is by no means accurate depiction of the whole of us.
As for my thoughts on your recent article... I think that (as undoubtedly pointed out by others even though I formed this opinion even before reading the comments) that electronic communication represents the 'true' self opinion - not covered up by civil overtones and gracious words. People, even ones who seem kind and nice, are vicous animals. We are very aggressive at times, and a lot of us don't even recognize this aggressiveness. It manifests itselfs in the physical (as opposed to electronic-ie, the web) world in subtle ways, something as simple as looking at someone who offends you in some way, or talking louder than everyone else. Or bashing someone because they are not (admitidly) a geek yet they try to be part of our culture.
In the electronic world, this aggression is less hidden. There is no threat or fear of feasible physical violence to hold us back. No permanant reputation to stain. Even I have, usually only when very stressed or angry, attacked others in usenet. I am usually a mellow guy. Everyone thinks I am on drugs because of my mellowness. In the physical world, it takes a lot of effort to push me into anger. Only once have I ever physically hit someone, and I instantly hated myself for it. But, on the internet, I have struck out several times and have not regret it nearly as much.
Still, some of us are able to maintain some civility and make some usefullness out of it, instead of just attacking everything that comes into sight.
I don't think we are raising or training people to be vicous.
We already are.
We always have been.
I would like to welcome you to the clan if (sometimes) intelligent people. We are a small clan, and our numbers do not grow quickly.
On another note, I have just perfected my advertisement for my soon to go IPO company, called linuxIPOmachine.
LinuxIPOmachine is proud to announce our latest innovative products for the average linux user. Recent studies and polls have determined that the average linux user will use anything with with linux and/or the words 'opensource' in it, so we have embraced this.
linuxphone. Using a stripped down version of linux, you can now use linux on our custom phone. Multi-tasking (call waiting required) is no problem! You can even telnet into the base unit via the handset and use the phone remotely!
linuxtoaster. Built for the hungry hacker. Extra wide slots ensure a wide variety of foodstuffs can be inserted into the device. 4 expansion slots for foodstuffs ensure that the device will not be outdated in 2 months. The custom linux kernel is specially suited for timing the neccessary amount of time to properly toast foodstuff - ensuring a proper toast every time!
OpenSource Screwdriver. The worlds first standards compliant open source screwdriver. No other company has released the plans to their screwdrivers.
linuxDoorbell. Once again proving that there is nothing that linux shouldn't be ported to, we have installed a custom version of the linux kernel into a doorbell. The multi-tasking nature of linux allows multiple doorbell rings at the same time, something that no other doorbell can claim!
OpenSource Can Opener. Following our OpenSource screwdriver is the Can Opener. The nature of OpenSource will allow any bug fixes and design flaws to be quickly corrected, ensuring the best damn can opener in the world.
OpenSource linuxPinball. A lot of people personally don't own a pinball machine or would give serious thought to purchasing one, but this is both OpenSource AND linux! Hurry and reserve yours now, before we are sold out!
There are more products on the way! Keep alert for more announcements from LinuxIPOmachine!
And where did you get this idea? Have you even looked at the page? Is my hair on fire? Oh no! It is!
From what I saw is he was simply going to attempt to build a link from his pc to the n64. I saw nothing about him attempting to make linux run on the n64, in fact, after *gasp* reading the article, he says it was impracticle to do it, with only 4mb of ram, no hd, no keyboard, etc. He hasn't even started to build the cable, from what I've seen.
Dear lord, can't anyone on slashdot read? Whoever posted this story/article should get negative karma points or something (a good whack with the clue stick would suffice I reckon) - READ the articles before posting them!
Never? Hah! I still remember the old win 3.x program manager/file manager easter egg...
Well, kinda remember it.
I think if you did help->about. ctrl-alt-shift left click on the microsoft logo. It shows a waving flag. Hit ok. do it again, and the credits come up. Or it was something similair to that. But I distinctly remember the credits would come up.
So, this person is a jackass/pervert for taking pictures of a naked chick in a public place? Who is "this person?" The owner of purdueonline? If not, I don't see what relevance this has to this article.
Under my understanding of the law, any pictures taken in public locations can be published however seen fit. If he snuck into your room and took pictures of you, then you'd have a right to be pissed. But he took pictures in a public location, where your friend WILLINGLY exposed herself to the crowd. Why, may I ask, is it any different if the people in the crowd see her naked in person or if they see her naked on a website?
Then you threaten the guy to take them down? Good thing he wasn't sue-happy as most Americans seem to be.
Hey! Douglas Adams stole my idea!!!
A few years back I made a little software program for my friends, said it was a preview of windows 2001. It was just a fullscreen visualbasic app that had a big button in the middle that said 'OK' - you click on it and it ran a random program.
Supposedly. But lets see, how long has it been since a recent code change has been posted? (it's been a while since I've checked, but last time I checked it was quite a while)
And then there's the use restrictions, you *must* link to slashdot from your site if you use slash...
I don't know about you, but I don't look forward to replacing existing, working systems just because they are 3-5 years old... If it works, it works. I have a novel file server that has 2 years uptime. It does a great job, despite it's age. The other novel server, on the opposite side of the spectrum, is slow and kludgey, and is being replace with a linux/samaba machine. I pick linux over nt because - reliability, cost, and performance. I don't want to have to reset the cpu every week or so to reclaim memory. I don't want to have to spend thousands on user liscenses. I don't want my users complaining it is slow and cludgey.
As for w2k, I don't think it's going to gain momentum right off the bat. OEMs will be eager, consumers might be eager, but corporate enviroments should hold off, until it is more stable and proven. I think w2k will start off fairly well (in sales) and have a steady climb as time goes by.
I think that linux is gaining market share because
a) it works
b) it works fairly well
c) there aren't any goofey liscensing agreements for every app you install. This is where the big money savings is.
d) it works great without requiring a ton of hardware thrown into it.
e) penguins are cute.
Unixs in general are more customizable without being able to destroy the system. I would have no problem with my users installing whatever they wanted as long as there was no risk of them hosing the system.
Compare that to windows... oh, I installed a virus infected app. whoops. Then, with nt, certain apps demand that you be administrator so it can mess with your system... Of course, that's no walk in the park to install.
Face it, the typical user (from my experience) is happy with changing the colors and background image, and maybe having one or two time wasters, like solitair or some form of instant messenger.
Yeah, that was a cool one. You went around and shot stuff and there was blood... God I wish I could play that game again.
If Microsoft themselves weren't the cause for some of that reportedly intense weather. BillG: I summon you, lord of darkness and master of the regions of hell and keeper of the dark abyss. I summon you forth to do my bidding! Satan: Hi bill! What's up? BillG: Umm, we're having trouble with this contest thing, can you help us out? Satan: Sure thing old pal! KRACK! BOOM! THUNDER!
Well, there's a fine line to be tread, that's for sure.
I have no problem with someone who lifts some gpl code to use as part of their project or as part of a bigger program, like say, using code from hmm, eject or something to use as a part of a removable disk management program. But if they just took the eject code, renamed the binary to ejector and re-released it, what's the point? That's basically what I'm seeing going on here. The only thing that I see them writing is a utility that lets applications be either Xwindowed or ncurses based. Then they are just taking all the packages and code that debian developers worked real hard to crank out - and there's a lot of packages.
I don't know, if there were more major differences, I would have a different opinion if stormix had more differences from debian...
But as it is, it's just a plain lift... Oh, I'm sure they'll have to write a script to go through all the packages to replace debian with storm...
There's a difference between using and extending (egad, do I sound like microsoft there?) and just using...
I don't even know why this peeves me so much. Usually I'm more than happy to share the fruits of my work (graphics and code stuff) . . .
Why do we even need another distribution? I know stormix probably wants to make money off of services/support (didn't look too closely at the site though) - but why do they need their own (derivitive) distribution? Why not just support debian? They could then add any improvements, ie, their text/graphical installation utility (I don't see what the big push is recently torwards having an X based install program - why bother?) to the base system if it complies with debian guidelines...
Instead, they just blindely rip off all the hard work debian users have done (yes, I know they legally can, but that doesn't mean I like it any more) and slap a few utilities into it and call it storm linux.
Like we need any more derivitive distributions...
Hey, let's mirror debian, run a text search and replace and replace all occurances of the word 'debian' with 'slashdot' and distribute our own slashdot linux!
"Better close the windows, the storm's coming in" - a quote or something like that from the stormix site.