Nowadays, the licenses are often available before the software is written.
And as far as I can tell, they don't care whether you are getting a license to use the software, the code for the software, the service the software provides, or random noise. You get it. You use it. That's it.
This is the problem with a MS based reputation system. They tend to measure with a thumb on the weight side of the scale. How much would they charge to give me a stellar rep? How low would BGs rep ever get?
We've had that same problem with memory (remember the great writing/reading fiasco?), hairiness (remember clothes?) and conversation (the TV).
This judgment thing is really overrated. Just look how happy your fundamentalist Christian / Jew / Muslim / Communist / Capitalist / etc. is. And they don't have the advantage of Technology.
Maybe that weird guy at McDonalds is an early (alpha) version robot. Have you noticed that the tartar sauce is never quite centered on the fish?
Think of all the cool personal service jobs that will be available in the robo-industrialists' homes. They have to have a way to spend all those robo-trillions in a way that shows their friends that they are HYPER-rich.
The price of a stamp is the average of the costs to deliver all the mail (and support the deliverers). The government isn't paying anymore, but people sending letters within Chatanooga are paying for the letter from Florida to Alaska (or the routing graph analog).
But do we want everyone to pay their own costs if the average is reasonable? The cost of a business sending a letter is several times the cost of the stamp (letterhead, envelope, writer, mail room). I benefited from Rural Electrification and its cousins (telephone, highway, etc.) and so did you. There's less disease, the National Guard is called out less, less crowding in the cities. Averaging out infrastructure expense means more of the country can be used; there are less problems with "backwardness".
If you don't believe it, look at a country that doesn't have a big infrastructure. Or just look at the U.S. in 1860.
The systems programmers with Unix workstations didn't have Windows and Word, so we used xmosaic as a page layout system. At that time, we were also able to delete most Word and all Excel file sent via email. If we did need to read a Word file, we used the Unix Word viewer, "strings".
Before we were directly connected to the DDN, one of the guys wrote a telnet tunneler to get through the gatehost. That was a great day. We didn't care what we looked at. It was soooo cool.
No. They are temps. They need the work and working conditions are similar at most places. If they were hot shot gurus, they would be treated differently.
The problem that I have with all this is that there are benefits for the company (no benefits, no need to report layoffs) and problems for the individual and government (someone pays the benefits, annual trips to the unemployment office, future assistance from the government). And it's artificial. The company needs the work done year round. It's just that the benefits of having it done by a temp mean that the company can afford some inefficiency.
And what better group to have the permanent workers look down on. Management?
At my wife's graduation from law school, the speaker said "I've studied law books all my life. I've read about every kind of behavior, good and bad, and the legal results. It is my considered opinion that you don't want to get into one of those books. Not for ANY reason."
That is the best legal advice anyone can give you. Ask anyone who is part of the system. Judges are people and being a judge is tremendously hard on a person's common sense and humility. The law is designed to offer the greatest amount of justice possible given that every party involved wants the greatest amount of injustice. And it's not limited to the contending parties.
On the other hand, this system is tremendously better than one that does not try to protect any "Rights". Period. You can come out on top. You'll just have the scars to prove it.
I've heard rumors about Supremes retiring. Are there any judges or prospective judges out there who fit the administrations definition of conservative (Anti-Abortion, Pro-Business) that have a positive feeling for privacy or limited intellectual property? Is it possible to be Pro-Business and in favor of the rights of private citizens?
The current full disclosure expectation is based on decade long experience with proprietary vendors.
These vendors when told about a security (or any other) problem, replied that you were the only one call in with this problem, but even so promise a patch. On being called again they would repeat that you were the only one effected (regardless how inane this now sounded) and promise that the next version would have the problem corrected. This might go on for years and through several releases.
The only way to combat this if you weren't Ford or NASA was to publicize the problem. That often got the vendor off it's fundamentals. And it got the big guys working on your side, though they wouldn't thank you.
Full disclosure is a tool to use against a proprietary industry shielded from any product liability. In the open source environment, these disclosures are part of a wider communication.
There are other tools such as certification. They just don't work as well.
The greatest reason is that it is far simpler to code to the specification than to code to your own idea of what the specification should be and then go back and code the specification too.
<preaching> Do you remember 10 statement ForTran? They found the largest set of ForTran statements that would compile with any compiler. Or Basic, where there were long instructions in most general Basic books that outlined the translations you would have to go through to run its programs on various different interpreters. There was always a section that said "and for the XXX and YYY systems, the code in this book should be used as guidelines more than as a direct example." You were on your own getting the programs to run.
We do have some of these problems today, but it is recognized that they create artificial inefficiencies. You need to have a GOOD reason to do this. </preaching>
First off, I live in America and come from what I think is a moderately liberal family.
Let's look at the strict definition above. The company or it's management is only responsible to it's customers for as much as they can demand, their suppliers for as much as they can demand, and their owners for as much as they can demand. The best example of this I can come up with is the non-George version of Bedford Falls in "It's a wonderful life."
Each community is impacted by the people and companies in it far more than the direct interchanges we see. It has a flavor that is the combination of past and present citizens and organizations.
Across America you can see that the principles that previous generations held, or at least held in general, have been discarded in favor of bean counters measures of worth. There are few real national reputations. Most of what we think of as reputation is really a mathematical measure of how well someone has done financially or a similar measure of how politically successful they have been at representing their clients.
I was a Republican as a kid, a Democrat since Reagan and now though I hate to say it, I feel more sympathy for the socialists of the 20's and 30's. We are coming to the same place as our country was in the 1890s, where public unrest at corporate skullduggery against their customers and employees caused some governmental controls to be imposed (many of which are now being dismantled). I hope that the current government will not wait for the threat violence before they begin to restore the balance between companies' desire for profit and the individuals "inalienable rights."
Put each of these scofflaws in prison. That would get all the un-Americans out of college and onto road crews where they belong. Or change the penalty to six years in the Marines. That would teach them respect for their betters.
They should be using their computers to write papers about how the Music Industry is just standing up for the musicians. This law is philanthropy at its best.
I live in rural Tennessee. You say we shouldn't be allowed electricity. Should we be allowed doctors? Or should only the people who can afford them be allowed? How should we deal with people who get comunicable diseases, but can't afford a doctor or treatment?
Should we have schools? We can see what poor quality schools have done in the "inner cities". Smart people abandon their neighborhood or go into the drug trade and other criminal enterprises where they can use their gifts to get ahead.
Natural selection is a great principle in the long run, but most of us don't live in the long run. In the very short run, it stinks. I'm glad my better armed neighbors don't see me as a possible source of food for dinner tonight.
Increasing my access to modern infrastructure improves my chances of adding to the common good. I may not pay that investment off for a long time or at all. Or I may invent a clean fusion motor or [add your favorite innovation here] tomorrow. And if I do should I share with the guy who wants to take my electricity away?
Good Point. Actually, in the race metaphor, some of the Drug Companies seem to be standing still and some trying to change the finish-line. I really don't have anything to add to the pie metaphor.
Where would we find hard data about the state of innovation in the drug industry? What kind of proof are we looking for? Analysis of drugs pending approval seems to be a good place to start. Unsuccessful licensing attempts and infringement suits, another.
There are several books in the response to that statement.
The problem with recent wars is that nobody got scared enough to put aside their economic differences.
In the first half of the last century, the government didn't have the power or will to control individual's lives the way it wants to now. It also had several sever upheavals to remind it what was important. We haven't had that, really, since the Korean war.
I'm not in favor of going to war to help straiten out intellectual property. The war that did that would probably be personally devastating for a large percentage of the population.
I'm in favor of Common Sense. Look at the reason these laws were originally created. Look at what they do today. Decide if the original purpose is still valid. Change the law based on that decision.
The Tattered Cover is one of the most wonderful and comfortable places in Denver (Cherry Creek). My Programming Perl first edition still has the original TC Hop Up and Read bookmark.
My parents and brothers live around Denver, in fact my brother helped them move from their old location to the "new" Cherry Creek building. The Tattered Cover is always a mandatory stop when we visit. My son and I drove to Denver over the MLK weekend from our home in middle Tennessee. Of the 42 hours we spent in Denver, three were at the TC.
You can probably tell how much this bookstore has meant to our family. We are very proud of the fact that they have taken a risky position in the struggle against total government control over individuals.
The license specifically allows students to use ideas that are caused by exposure to this source code. It is unlikely that they would attack a project on those grounds when they have (or can buy) murky patents. This is simply about growing the MS Youth.
My UG Alma Mater (Sewanee) used Macs, PCs, Dec and HP systems with wildly varying OSes. Good educational institutions use OSes or books or plays to inspire enthusiasm not loyalty.
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Nowadays, the licenses are often available before the software is written.
And as far as I can tell, they don't care whether you are getting a license to use the software, the code for the software, the service the software provides, or random noise. You get it. You use it. That's it.
Don't look at this article with Opera.
Or do, it refreshes itself as soon as it finishes loading. Ouch.
This is the problem with a MS based reputation system. They tend to measure with a thumb on the weight side of the scale. How much would they charge to give me a stellar rep? How low would BGs rep ever get?
Ouch
We've had that same problem with memory (remember the great writing/reading fiasco?), hairiness (remember clothes?) and conversation (the TV).
This judgment thing is really overrated. Just look how happy your fundamentalist Christian / Jew / Muslim / Communist / Capitalist / etc. is.
And they don't have the advantage of Technology.
What makes you think that robots aren't?
Maybe that weird guy at McDonalds is an early (alpha) version robot. Have you noticed that the tartar sauce is never quite centered on the fish?
Think of all the cool personal service jobs that will be available in the robo-industrialists' homes. They have to have a way to spend all those robo-trillions in a way that shows their friends that they are HYPER-rich.
And the perl version 4 explanations.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
The price of a stamp is the average of the costs to deliver all the mail (and support the deliverers). The government isn't paying anymore, but people sending letters within Chatanooga are paying for the letter from Florida to Alaska (or the routing graph analog).
But do we want everyone to pay their own costs if the average is reasonable? The cost of a business sending a letter is several times the cost of the stamp (letterhead, envelope, writer, mail room). I benefited from Rural Electrification and its cousins (telephone, highway, etc.) and so did you. There's less disease, the National Guard is called out less, less crowding in the cities. Averaging out infrastructure expense means more of the country can be used; there are less problems with "backwardness".
If you don't believe it, look at a country that doesn't have a big infrastructure. Or just look at the U.S. in 1860.
The systems programmers with Unix workstations didn't have Windows and Word, so we used xmosaic as a page layout system. At that time, we were also able to delete most Word and all Excel file sent via email. If we did need to read a Word file, we used the Unix Word viewer, "strings".
Before we were directly connected to the DDN, one of the guys wrote a telnet tunneler to get through the gatehost. That was a great day. We didn't care what we looked at. It was soooo cool.
Give her heck!
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No. They are temps. They need the work and working conditions are similar at most places. If they were hot shot gurus, they would be treated differently.
The problem that I have with all this is that there are benefits for the company (no benefits, no need to report layoffs) and problems for the individual and government (someone pays the benefits, annual trips to the unemployment office, future assistance from the government). And it's artificial. The company needs the work done year round. It's just that the benefits of having it done by a temp mean that the company can afford some inefficiency.
And what better group to have the permanent workers look down on. Management?
At my wife's graduation from law school, the speaker said "I've studied law books all my life. I've read about every kind of behavior, good and bad, and the legal results. It is my considered opinion that you don't want to get into one of those books. Not for ANY reason."
That is the best legal advice anyone can give you. Ask anyone who is part of the system. Judges are people and being a judge is tremendously hard on a person's common sense and humility. The law is designed to offer the greatest amount of justice possible given that every party involved wants the greatest amount of injustice. And it's not limited to the contending parties.
On the other hand, this system is tremendously better than one that does not try to protect any "Rights". Period. You can come out on top. You'll just have the scars to prove it.
I've heard rumors about Supremes retiring. Are there any judges or prospective judges out there who fit the administrations definition of conservative (Anti-Abortion, Pro-Business) that have a positive feeling for privacy or limited intellectual property? Is it possible to be Pro-Business and in favor of the rights of private citizens?
The current full disclosure expectation is based on decade long experience with proprietary vendors.
These vendors when told about a security (or any other) problem, replied that you were the only one call in with this problem, but even so promise a patch. On being called again they would repeat that you were the only one effected (regardless how inane this now sounded) and promise that the next version would have the problem corrected. This might go on for years and through several releases.
The only way to combat this if you weren't Ford or NASA was to publicize the problem. That often got the vendor off it's fundamentals. And it got the big guys working on your side, though they wouldn't thank you.
Full disclosure is a tool to use against a proprietary industry shielded from any product liability. In the open source environment, these disclosures are part of a wider communication.
There are other tools such as certification. They just don't work as well.
The greatest reason is that it is far simpler to code to the specification than to code to your own idea of what the specification should be and then go back and code the specification too.
<preaching>
Do you remember 10 statement ForTran? They found the largest set of ForTran statements that would compile with any compiler. Or Basic, where there were long instructions in most general Basic books that outlined the translations you would have to go through to run its programs on various different interpreters. There was always a section that said "and for the XXX and YYY systems, the code in this book should be used as guidelines more than as a direct example." You were on your own getting the programs to run.
We do have some of these problems today, but it is recognized that they create artificial inefficiencies. You need to have a GOOD reason to do this.
</preaching>
First off, I live in America and come from what I think is a moderately liberal family.
Let's look at the strict definition above. The company or it's management is only responsible to it's customers for as much as they can demand, their suppliers for as much as they can demand, and their owners for as much as they can demand. The best example of this I can come up with is the non-George version of Bedford Falls in "It's a wonderful life."
Each community is impacted by the people and companies in it far more than the direct interchanges we see. It has a flavor that is the combination of past and present citizens and organizations.
Across America you can see that the principles that previous generations held, or at least held in general, have been discarded in favor of bean counters measures of worth. There are few real national reputations. Most of what we think of as reputation is really a mathematical measure of how well someone has done financially or a similar measure of how politically successful they have been at representing their clients.
I was a Republican as a kid, a Democrat since Reagan and now though I hate to say it, I feel more sympathy for the socialists of the 20's and 30's. We are coming to the same place as our country was in the 1890s, where public unrest at corporate skullduggery against their customers and employees caused some governmental controls to be imposed (many of which are now being dismantled). I hope that the current government will not wait for the threat violence before they begin to restore the balance between companies' desire for profit and the individuals "inalienable rights."
Put each of these scofflaws in prison. That would get all the un-Americans out of college and onto road crews where they belong. Or change the penalty to six years in the Marines. That would teach them respect for their betters.
They should be using their computers to write papers about how the Music Industry is just standing up for the musicians. This law is philanthropy at its best.
Microsoft put the "backwards" in backwards compatibility.
From the DOS 4.0 debacle.
They don't pay me enough to say nice things about Microsoft, but I'm sure they could. HINT, HINT
Microsoft put the "backwards" in backwards compatability.
From the DOS 4.0 debacle.
They don't pay me enough to say nice things about Microsoft (HINT HINT).
I live in rural Tennessee. You say we shouldn't be allowed electricity. Should we be allowed doctors? Or should only the people who can afford them be allowed? How should we deal with people who get comunicable diseases, but can't afford a doctor or treatment?
Should we have schools? We can see what poor quality schools have done in the "inner cities". Smart people abandon their neighborhood or go into the drug trade and other criminal enterprises where they can use their gifts to get ahead.
Natural selection is a great principle in the long run, but most of us don't live in the long run. In the very short run, it stinks. I'm glad my better armed neighbors don't see me as a possible source of food for dinner tonight.
Increasing my access to modern infrastructure improves my chances of adding to the common good. I may not pay that investment off for a long time or at all. Or I may invent a clean fusion motor or [add your favorite innovation here] tomorrow. And if I do should I share with the guy who wants to take my electricity away?
We need to find a happy medium.
Civ for the mac on a 9" screen. Wooooo. The screen finally went out and we got a PC, but now we're "Back in Mac".
I was the only Mac user in an Microsoft embattled Unix systems group. Talk about minorities.
Good Point. Actually, in the race metaphor, some of the Drug Companies seem to be standing still and some trying to change the finish-line. I really don't have anything to add to the pie metaphor.
Where would we find hard data about the state of innovation in the drug industry? What kind of proof are we looking for? Analysis of drugs pending approval seems to be a good place to start. Unsuccessful licensing attempts and infringement suits, another.
Look into it. Don't just bitch.
Microsoft: We don't get it; We market it.
The problem with recent wars is that nobody got scared enough to put aside their economic differences.
In the first half of the last century, the government didn't have the power or will to control individual's lives the way it wants to now. It also had several sever upheavals to remind it what was important. We haven't had that, really, since the Korean war.
I'm not in favor of going to war to help straiten out intellectual property. The war that did that would probably be personally devastating for a large percentage of the population.
I'm in favor of Common Sense. Look at the reason these laws were originally created. Look at what they do today. Decide if the original purpose is still valid. Change the law based on that decision.
Review Intelectual Property Law
The Tattered Cover is one of the most wonderful and comfortable places in Denver (Cherry Creek). My Programming Perl first edition still has the original TC Hop Up and Read bookmark.
My parents and brothers live around Denver, in fact my brother helped them move from their old location to the "new" Cherry Creek building. The Tattered Cover is always a mandatory stop when we visit. My son and I drove to Denver over the MLK weekend from our home in middle Tennessee. Of the 42 hours we spent in Denver, three were at the TC.
You can probably tell how much this bookstore has meant to our family. We are very proud of the fact that they have taken a risky position in the struggle against total government control over individuals.
Thanks TC,
Allen Buck
My UG Alma Mater (Sewanee) used Macs, PCs, Dec and HP systems with wildly varying OSes. Good educational institutions use OSes or books or plays to inspire enthusiasm not loyalty.