I'm a sendmail guy. I haven't delt with qmail or (Ugh) exchange. I'm suprised they do it this way.
I don't totally agree with blacklisting just because there probes are blocked. On the other hand, someone that wants to run an open relay for spammers could block orbz if they didn't do this. There is no right way to do this unfortunately. There is no legal recourse, so vigilantism is the only working method right now. It sucks, but somehow, a way needs to be found to control the spam. It's costing this industry millions right now.
They were probing but obviously there not now. If you have a properly configured mail server, it will not accept the mail, and it won't be piling mail in your queue. Instead it will respond to the mail server trying to send, or in this case probe a 5XX response saying I won't relay your mail. No mail will be accepted on your server, or put into your mqueue directory.
I'm not. I agree that spammers should have bigger fines and penalties.
Unfortunately, with most the open relays being from outside the US/Europe, and the multi-national orgins of email, increased penalties will only have a limited effect.
The ORB/ORBZ/ORBD administrators do need to lighen up a little on open relays, and put forth a more professional image. They have been hard on open relay administrators in the past, and have a reputation to repair.
It's unfortunate that the the people at orbs were unprofessional. It left a bad rep for the orbs type services. I had the (dis)pleasure of being part of a team that ran many mail servers for years. Spam is expensive, and the only solution is to block the inputs. The orbs type services are not a good solution, but they are for the most part the only working solution.
Many of the probes you recieved are probably from spammers looking for open relays. orbz has done a better job. If it wasn't for orbz and other services like that, the amount of real spam you receive would increase expotentually. Don't start hoping that the rest get shut down, because if they do, then the spam on the internet will probably make email useless.
w.kid
Weather it's fully integrated or not, it will be in future versions, just to force the consumer to use MSIE. They take some library calls out of the os dll's and throw them into the MSIE dll's, and then when you remove MSIE, half your tcp stack is missing. It doesn't matter if it makes sense, they'll do it for the lawyers sake. That's why $M is busy attempting to buy there way through the lawsuit.
So far, since bigmouth Jackson was kicked off the trial, $M has been winning all the battles. The longer the settlement is delayed, the better off $M will be. Unfortunate, but true.
W.Kid
In all reality, I'd be willing to pay a small fee for downloading my music. I like to do this to find out if I like a band/album/etc, so if they want to charge exorborant fees, like they do with CD's then forget it. The CD's these days, that cost about 20-50 cents, that they sell for $16 goes to the producers, and not the artists. The artists see a few pennies of this, which is wrong. I'd like to see a download system that bypasses the producers, and go's directly to the artists.
The Artists are starting to distance themselves from the RIAA, and I hope the trend continues. I believe that the money they loose from downloads/copies is miniscule to the money they make by letting people listen and deside if they like an artist. So even though a few people will download and not buy the album, there the same people that will borrow a CD from a friend, and tape/rip the cd. No matter what, the RIAA looses with this policy. The numbers there showing for lost sales are caused more by the slumping economy, and a lack of inovation for the last year in there industry.
Yes, they loose sales becuase of downloads, but they would lose most of those sales anyway. People can contort figures to say whatever they want. That's what the RIAA is doing here. Yes, I'll concede the fact that some sales lost due to downloads, but I believe this number is minimal, contrary to what they say.
W.Kid
I disagree with what your saying dramatically. How do you know what music/albums you like? The radio these days only plays what's on there playlists, which of course are the albums that have just been released, or re-released on cdrom.
To listen to all the songs on an album to figure out if you want to buy it or not, you have to listen to it at the music store (I don't have time for this) or download it.
Currently, I'm boycotting the music and video industry, because of DCMA and the RIAA policies on digital media. So I only get stuff from the internet right now unless the artist is not a member of the RIAA communists. So yes, in my case it is effecting there business. But that's only because THEY ARE STUPID. If they get a clue, I will start spending money on albums again.
Obviously, Your a moron. Yes, there's a few out there that will actually unsubcribe you when you do the unsubscribe at the bottom of the page. The other 90% of the spammers out there put that your email in there "Good Email Address list, and then bombard you with massive amounts of spam.
Anyone who uses those unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of an email are as stupid as you are.
I learned about paypal the hard way. I bought an almost new monitor that the moron boxed with almost no wrapping. It got pretty beat up, and I told him I wanted my money back. He then went into "Oh I packaged it so well and didn't do anything wrong mode". I checked on insurance replacement and didn't try plugging it in, etc until I found out I was screwed. If You don't know the person on the other end, use a credit card. On paypal, they only except them if the reciever has a premium account. If they don't billpay's insurance plan is a little better.
I got lucky cause I ended up keeping the monitor and it does work ok. But I will not use paypal without the credit card unless I've done business with or know/trust the person I'm dealing with. This way, I can contest the payment through the credit card!
If you use paypal, you'll notice how they push you into using your checking account instead of a credit card! This is because with the checking account withdrawl, there is no recourse if you get screwed. All paypal will say is " BEND OVER "! And they don't use any lubricants.
Sometimes the ISP doesn't have the open relay, but a downstream customer does. Orbs and other blacklist servers will test for spam at the insert point, which in this case would be the downstream customer mail relay. For the ISP to get of the open relay list, he needs to shut off this customer that's using his server as a relay to relay mail from his server, that's an open relay. Damn, talking about a Long winded sentence! When an ISP has a customer with an open relay, then the problems escallate, for obvious reasons. Being an ISP can suck sometimes, cause that customer is probably a buddy of the CEO:(
There are many different blocking services out there. Orbs is one. They have an automated system to block and unblock your site. If you fix the open relay, you can fill out the form and get retested fairly easily. If you contact them, and hit them up with a bad attitude, they will respond with the same attitude.
They are one of the better filter services. I've run mail servers in the past, and dealing with them is a pain nowdays. Especially becuase of the spam problem. Using rbl and orbs blocking is getting to be a requirement because of the morons out there who have open relays and won't bother to fix them.
Giving someone 10-15 days to fix a problem is a bad idea. Having a painless way to have your server quickly is the right way to do it. If you leave an open relay there for 10-15 days waiting for some over-worked administrator to fix it won't work. Postmaster mail on an open relay will generally get buried almost immediately, and the administrators won't see it until the 10-15 days have expired, if at all. If the server is bouncing mail left and right, the administrator will be motivated to fix it quickly.
Yea, it's the Nazi approach, but that seems to be the only way that works these days. There's days where life sucks!
Before we decide if it's legal or not, look at the terms of use paperwork that comstat had everyone sign up with. If it states that they can monitor or proxy your web browsing, then I'd guess there's nothing you can do. If they don't have anything like that in there contract, then I'd scream like hell. Then I'd leave. I don't need big brother watching my every move so they can sell it to the marketing scum.
My recommendation is that everyone leave comstat's service. That's the best way to show your dis-approval to there big brother tactics. If a significant number of people drop thier service complaining about the privacy issues, then (maybe) they'll get the hint.
W.Kid
I've dealt with W2K boxes. The patches for Exchange, SQL etc are handled from a different patch site, and are not part of the OS. They are handled by MicroSoft as Applications, not as part of the OS.
IIS is distributed as part of the OS. It is a seperate option. The patch tree is distributed with the OS patches. Therefore, that is why I believe that it should be compared to Linux distributions with Apache.
I agree that Microsoft and Linux are compeating aganst each other. Therefore, MicroSoft should be held accountable to the same level as Linux distributions.
My employer uses exchange servers to deliver mail. We had 2 3 day outtages in the Aug-Oct timeframe. Every time a new variant came out, the mail servers were shutdown for at least 1-2 hours. The Sendmail servers didn't miss a lick, but instead queued the mail for the exchange servers. This isn't really indicating a problem with exchange, but in the attitude that MicroSoft has had with security issues in general That's why Bill, and the rest of the cronies at the top levels of MicroSoft are starting to make noise about stablizing and locking down there OS's and Applications.
Ya know, what good is an OS without applications. The applications, OS etc has to be looked at as a whole system, not the OS and applications. What good is an OS without an Application, and Visa Versa. The Linux vendors look at there systems this way, so YES, the patch numbers are higher. This is a Good thing. This indicates to me that they are supporting them. The numbers for W2K/NT in this survey, as far as I can tell, are not including the MicroSoft applications.
Basicly, what it boils down to is that in this instance, saying one OS is better then the other because of the patch count is Balony.
With the outages we've had, due to $M products over the last 6 months, and the lack of outages we've had with Linux and Unix apps, I'd have to say that the UNIX apps are more secure, after being locked down. Remember, NO OS TODAY IS SECURE IN IT'S INITIAL INSTALLED STATE. UNIX, NT OS/2 and even CowBoy Neal's LinDosy OS isn't secure out of the box. They all have to be LOCKED DOWN. RedHat 7.2 is getting very close now. I believe some of the other DIstros are getting there too. Lets hope Billy Boy is serious about getting W2K/XP/ETC locked down better also. All the OS distributers should be held accountable. This includes both RedHat and MicroSoft.
W.Kid
I've looked at the Security Focus site. 2 things I
am going to point out.
First, this info hasn't been updated since August. Alot has happened since then. RedCode, and a Bunch of Nimda variants.
Second, They are comparing OS distributions. W2K/NT is an OS distribution. RedHat is an OS/Application distribution. Note that if you load the whole RedHat distribution, your getting about 2-3Gb of applications on top of that OS. This survay is Not taking that into consideration. One other side note. Many of those patches/bugs listed for RedHat are pre-emptive security fixes, or application upgrades. We're not comparing apples to apples here. I've worked with both OS's. I keep both of them updated, and have seen the updates for both of them. I'd like to see the numbers comparing Just Windows/NT to Just the RedHat OS,
with the Apache server loaded. No other apps.
Does this seem like a fair Comparison?
W.Kid
I wouldn't say it's lousy research. Winformant is a Microsoft FUD site. I'm sure they went out, counted all the bug reports for There one version of windows, and compared it with every distribution of Linux. They've announced several times over the last year that Linux is there #1 enemy. They are a FUD based company, so this is thier way of attacking Linux.
Note: As many of you know already, winformant has been slashdoted, so I can't see the original article. I've seen other articles from there site in the past. They've all been FUD type articles in the past, so I'm going to brashly ASSume that this one is also.
W.Kid
How many northern alliance fighters died though
on
The Drone War
·
· Score: 1
I agree that the robotics of war is slowly taking the place of ground troops. But I'll bet a fair number of casulties have occurred in the northern alliance troops.
The linux kernel already has 3 trees. Adding more trees will fragment the kernel development even more. The 2.2, 2.4 and 2.5 trees are enough. By adding more trees, kernel development will be slowed way to much. Lets concentrate on standardizing, not fragmenting the kernel. The different tracks for this new tree aughta be incorporated into the 2.5 tree. If anything works out to be a big improvement, then back-port it into the 2.4 tree.
Having delt with Unix and $M NT for 17 and 5 years, respectively, I've learned that experience counts. MCSE's have become paper tigers. Employers have realized that to become an MCSE, spend a few bucks on the test prep packages/courses, and BOOM! Your an MCSE ready to go out and make $80K a year. The problem with this is the "PaPer TiGers" don't have a clue on how to solve problems. Searching Knowledge net only finds the solution 20-30% of the time.
In all reality, UNIX pay's better, it's easier to troubleshoot, and it's more stable (Y2K is getting there, but don't tell anyone I said that).
I Would believe that winformant would skew there article to Microsoft's point of view.
Linux is making it into the server market with a "grass Roots" effort. They are not spending billions on slamming the competition to do it.
Linux Advocates have a tendency to slam $M products, but then on the other hand, they've had to support them for years. Supporting $M products is finally getting easier, cause the product is getting more stable. At this point, $M is slitting there own throat, by there new Licensing scheme. If they continue, Linux will make inroads to there server market!
Much like Linux made it into the server market with a "Grass Roots" effort, they are starting to get into the workstation market with the same methodology. Small companies, that we don't hear much news from are starting to switch. They have smaller budgets, and less corporate bureaucracy to fight with. Linux now has desktops, and tools to compete with $M. StarOffice, KDEOffice suites don't have as much feature bloat, but still work well. What they need to fight is $M's propaganda machine. There's a reason the $M Propaganda Gun is pointed at Linux. Billy's analysists see that the threat to there core business, which is office WorkStations is threatened.
Being a Linux Bigot, I hope they make some inroads. I'm not a $M Hater, but I've been annoyed with many of there products over the years, and I like to be able to debug stuff without making a $125.00 incident call. I like open source software, because I can figure out what broke, and fix it.
W.Kid
This is a stupid comment. Pgp does many things, and there are times when I've wanted to make sure an email is private. Pgp can also be used to digitally sign a message, verify data, etc. If we were to outlaw encryption, only criminals would have encryption.
W.Kid
Slashdot Mirror
Remember, a Cell Phone will only have a small display! ;)
I bet they could get it to call up mozilla with only 128Mb of ram
I'm a sendmail guy. I haven't delt with qmail or (Ugh) exchange. I'm suprised they do it this way.
I don't totally agree with blacklisting just because there probes are blocked. On the other hand, someone that wants to run an open relay for spammers could block orbz if they didn't do this. There is no right way to do this unfortunately. There is no legal recourse, so vigilantism is the only working method right now. It sucks, but somehow, a way needs to be found to control the spam. It's costing this industry millions right now.
They were probing but obviously there not now. If you have a properly configured mail server, it will not accept the mail, and it won't be piling mail in your queue. Instead it will respond to the mail server trying to send, or in this case probe a 5XX response saying I won't relay your mail. No mail will be accepted on your server, or put into your mqueue directory.
I'm not.
I agree that spammers should have bigger fines and penalties.
Unfortunately, with most the open relays being
from outside the US/Europe, and the multi-national orgins of email, increased penalties will only have a limited effect.
The ORB/ORBZ/ORBD administrators do need to lighen up a little on open relays, and put forth a more professional image. They have been hard on open relay administrators in the past, and have a reputation to repair.
It's unfortunate that the the people at orbs were unprofessional. It left a bad rep for the orbs type services. I had the (dis)pleasure of being part of a team that ran many mail servers for years. Spam is expensive, and the only solution is to block the inputs. The orbs type services are not a good solution, but they are for the most part the only working solution.
Many of the probes you recieved are probably from spammers looking for open relays. orbz has done a better job. If it wasn't for orbz and other services like that, the amount of real spam you receive would increase expotentually. Don't start hoping that the rest get shut down, because if they do, then the spam on the internet will probably make email useless.
w.kid
Talking about dumbass's, looked in a mirror lately?
Yea, orbz probes for open relays. SO WHAT! Maybe everyone should just forward there spam to YOU!
Weather it's fully integrated or not, it will be in future versions, just to force the consumer to use MSIE. They take some library calls out of the os dll's and throw them into the MSIE dll's, and then when you remove MSIE, half your tcp stack is missing. It doesn't matter if it makes sense, they'll do it for the lawyers sake. That's why $M is busy attempting to buy there way through the lawsuit.
So far, since bigmouth Jackson was kicked off the trial, $M has been winning all the battles. The longer the settlement is delayed, the better off $M will be. Unfortunate, but true.
W.Kid
In all reality, I'd be willing to pay a small fee for downloading my music. I like to do this to find out if I like a band/album/etc, so if they want to charge exorborant fees, like they do with CD's then forget it. The CD's these days, that cost about 20-50 cents, that they sell for $16 goes to the producers, and not the artists. The artists see a few pennies of this, which is wrong. I'd like to see a download system that bypasses the producers, and go's directly to the artists.
The Artists are starting to distance themselves from the RIAA, and I hope the trend continues. I believe that the money they loose from downloads/copies is miniscule to the money they make by letting people listen and deside if they like an artist. So even though a few people will download and not buy the album, there the same people that will borrow a CD from a friend, and tape/rip the cd. No matter what, the RIAA looses
with this policy. The numbers there showing for lost sales are caused more by the slumping economy, and a lack of inovation for the last year in there industry.
Yes, they loose sales becuase of downloads, but they would lose most of those sales anyway. People can contort figures to say whatever they want. That's what the RIAA is doing here. Yes, I'll concede the fact that some sales lost due to downloads, but I believe this number is minimal, contrary to what they say.
W.Kid
I disagree with what your saying dramatically. How do you know what music/albums you like? The radio these days only plays what's on there playlists, which of course are the albums that have just been released, or re-released on cdrom.
To listen to all the songs on an album to figure out if you want to buy it or not, you have to listen to it at the music store (I don't have time for this) or download it.
Currently, I'm boycotting the music and video industry, because of DCMA and the RIAA policies on digital media. So I only get stuff from the internet right now unless the artist is not a member of the RIAA communists. So yes, in my case it is effecting there business. But that's only because THEY ARE STUPID. If they get a clue, I will start spending money on albums again.
That's all you can come up with?
I guess it would be, because your comments on spam show how stupid you really are.
Obviously, Your a moron. Yes, there's a few out there that will actually unsubcribe you when you do the unsubscribe at the bottom of the page. The other 90% of the spammers out there put that your email in there "Good Email Address list, and then bombard you with massive amounts of spam.
Anyone who uses those unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of an email are as stupid as you are.
I learned about paypal the hard way. I bought an almost new monitor that the moron boxed with almost no wrapping. It got pretty beat up, and I told him I wanted my money back. He then went into "Oh I packaged it so well and didn't do anything wrong mode". I checked on insurance replacement and didn't try plugging it in, etc until I found out I was screwed. If You don't know the person on the other end, use a credit card. On paypal, they only except them if the reciever has a premium account. If they don't billpay's insurance plan is a little better.
I got lucky cause I ended up keeping the monitor and it does work ok. But I will not use paypal without the credit card unless I've done business with or know/trust the person I'm dealing with. This way, I can contest the payment through the credit card!
If you use paypal, you'll notice how they push you into using your checking account instead of a credit card! This is because with the checking account withdrawl, there is no recourse if you get screwed. All paypal will say is " BEND OVER "! And they don't use any lubricants.
MS now has computational clustering? Amazing! With all the overhead of the GUI, the cost of licensing etc, it seems like a total waste.
Sometimes the ISP doesn't have the open relay, but a downstream customer does. Orbs and other blacklist servers will test for spam at the insert point, which in this case would be the downstream customer mail relay. For the ISP to get of the open relay list, he needs to shut off this customer that's using his server as a relay to relay mail from his server, that's an open relay. Damn, talking about a Long winded sentence! When an ISP has a customer with an open relay, then the problems escallate, for obvious reasons. Being an ISP can suck sometimes, cause that customer is probably a buddy of the CEO :(
There are many different blocking services out there. Orbs is one. They have an automated system to block and unblock your site. If you fix the open relay, you can fill out the form and get retested fairly easily. If you contact them, and hit them up with a bad attitude, they will respond with the same attitude.
They are one of the better filter services. I've run mail servers in the past, and dealing with them is a pain nowdays. Especially becuase of the spam problem. Using rbl and orbs blocking is getting to be a requirement because of the morons out there who have open relays and won't bother to fix them.
Giving someone 10-15 days to fix a problem is a bad idea. Having a painless way to have your server quickly is the right way to do it. If you leave an open relay there for 10-15 days waiting for some over-worked administrator to fix it won't work. Postmaster mail on an open relay will generally get buried almost immediately, and the administrators won't see it until the 10-15 days have expired, if at all. If the server is bouncing mail left and right, the administrator will be motivated to fix it quickly.
Yea, it's the Nazi approach, but that seems to be the only way that works these days. There's days where life sucks!
Before we decide if it's legal or not, look at the terms of use paperwork that comstat had everyone sign up with. If it states that they can monitor or proxy your web browsing, then I'd guess there's nothing you can do. If they don't have anything like that in there contract, then I'd scream like hell. Then I'd leave. I don't need big brother watching my every move so they can sell it to the marketing scum.
My recommendation is that everyone leave comstat's service. That's the best way to show your dis-approval to there big brother tactics. If a significant number of people drop thier service complaining about the privacy issues, then (maybe) they'll get the hint.
W.Kid
I've dealt with W2K boxes. The patches for Exchange, SQL etc are handled from a different patch site, and are not part of the OS. They are handled by MicroSoft as Applications, not as part of the OS.
IIS is distributed as part of the OS. It is a seperate option. The patch tree is distributed with the OS patches. Therefore, that is why I believe that it should be compared to Linux distributions with Apache.
I agree that Microsoft and Linux are compeating aganst each other. Therefore, MicroSoft should be held accountable to the same level as Linux distributions.
My employer uses exchange servers to deliver mail. We had 2 3 day outtages in the Aug-Oct timeframe. Every time a new variant came out, the mail servers were shutdown for at least 1-2 hours. The Sendmail servers didn't miss a lick, but instead queued the mail for the exchange servers. This isn't really indicating a problem with exchange, but in the attitude that MicroSoft has had with security issues in general That's why Bill, and the rest of the cronies at the top levels of MicroSoft are starting to make noise about stablizing and locking down there OS's and Applications.
Ya know, what good is an OS without applications. The applications, OS etc has to be looked at as a whole system, not the OS and applications. What good is an OS without an Application, and Visa Versa. The Linux vendors look at there systems this way, so YES, the patch numbers are higher. This is a Good thing. This indicates to me that they are supporting them. The numbers for W2K/NT in this survey, as far as I can tell, are not including the MicroSoft applications.
Basicly, what it boils down to is that in this instance, saying one OS is better then the other because of the patch count is Balony.
With the outages we've had, due to $M products over the last 6 months, and the lack of outages we've had with Linux and Unix apps, I'd have to say that the UNIX apps are more secure, after being locked down. Remember, NO OS TODAY IS SECURE IN IT'S INITIAL INSTALLED STATE. UNIX, NT OS/2 and even CowBoy Neal's LinDosy OS isn't secure out of the box. They all have to be LOCKED DOWN. RedHat 7.2 is getting very close now. I believe some of the other DIstros are getting there too. Lets hope Billy Boy is serious about getting W2K/XP/ETC locked down better also. All the OS distributers should be held accountable. This includes both RedHat and MicroSoft.
W.Kid
I've looked at the Security Focus site. 2 things I
am going to point out.
First, this info hasn't been updated since August. Alot has happened since then. RedCode, and a Bunch of Nimda variants.
Second, They are comparing OS distributions. W2K/NT is an OS distribution. RedHat is an OS/Application distribution. Note that if you load the whole RedHat distribution, your getting about 2-3Gb of applications on top of that OS. This survay is Not taking that into consideration. One other side note. Many of those patches/bugs listed for RedHat are pre-emptive security fixes, or application upgrades. We're not comparing apples to apples here. I've worked with both OS's. I keep both of them updated, and have seen the updates for both of them. I'd like to see the numbers comparing Just Windows/NT to Just the RedHat OS,
with the Apache server loaded. No other apps.
Does this seem like a fair Comparison?
W.Kid
I wouldn't say it's lousy research. Winformant is a Microsoft FUD site. I'm sure they went out, counted all the bug reports for There one version of windows, and compared it with every distribution of Linux. They've announced several times over the last year that Linux is there #1 enemy. They are a FUD based company, so this is thier way of attacking Linux.
Note: As many of you know already, winformant has been slashdoted, so I can't see the original article. I've seen other articles from there site in the past. They've all been FUD type articles in the past, so I'm going to brashly ASSume that this one is also.
W.Kid
I agree that the robotics of war is slowly taking the place of ground troops. But I'll bet a fair number of casulties have occurred in the northern alliance troops.
The linux kernel already has 3 trees. Adding more trees will fragment the kernel development even more. The 2.2, 2.4 and 2.5 trees are enough. By adding more trees, kernel development will be slowed way to much. Lets concentrate on standardizing, not fragmenting the kernel. The different tracks for this new tree aughta be incorporated into the 2.5 tree. If anything works out to be a big improvement, then back-port it into the 2.4 tree.
Having delt with Unix and $M NT for 17 and 5 years, respectively, I've learned that experience counts. MCSE's have become paper tigers. Employers have realized that to become an MCSE, spend a few bucks on the test prep packages/courses, and BOOM! Your an MCSE ready to go out and make $80K a year. The problem with this is the "PaPer TiGers" don't have a clue on how to solve problems. Searching Knowledge net only finds the solution 20-30% of the time.
In all reality, UNIX pay's better, it's easier to troubleshoot, and it's more stable (Y2K is getting there, but don't tell anyone I said that).
Stick with UNIX.
I Would believe that winformant would skew there article to Microsoft's point of view.
Linux is making it into the server market with a "grass Roots" effort. They are not spending billions on slamming the competition to do it.
Linux Advocates have a tendency to slam $M products, but then on the other hand, they've had to support them for years. Supporting $M products is finally getting easier, cause the product is getting more stable. At this point, $M is slitting there own throat, by there new Licensing scheme. If they continue, Linux will make inroads to there server market!
Much like Linux made it into the server market with a "Grass Roots" effort, they are starting to get into the workstation market with the same methodology. Small companies, that we don't hear much news from are starting to switch. They have smaller budgets, and less corporate bureaucracy to fight with. Linux now has desktops, and tools to compete with $M. StarOffice, KDEOffice suites don't have as much feature bloat, but still work well. What they need to fight is $M's propaganda machine. There's a reason the $M Propaganda Gun is pointed at Linux. Billy's analysists see that the threat to there core business, which is office WorkStations is threatened.
Being a Linux Bigot, I hope they make some inroads. I'm not a $M Hater, but I've been annoyed with many of there products over the years, and I like to be able to debug stuff without making a $125.00 incident call. I like open source software, because I can figure out what broke, and fix it.
W.Kid
Translation:
Yahoo is running out of money, and wants some publicity to start a new movie!
This is a stupid comment. Pgp does many things, and there are times when I've wanted to make sure an email is private. Pgp can also be used to digitally sign a message, verify data, etc. If we were to outlaw encryption, only criminals would have encryption.
W.Kid