Oracle and SUN didn't crush Dr Dos, and other competitors by writing there apps to not run on competitive OS's. They didn't crush the competition in the courts to suppress the new technologies, so they could remain dominant. They didn't buy competitive companies so they could bury the technology, to eliminate the compitition. They didn't give away they're software, so that competitors couldn't stay in business (netscape for example) They didn't buy judges and polititions to win cases in court. Any evidence of this is buried, so we'll never see it of course. They didn't use embrace and extend policies to corrupt and distroy open standards, which would have kept the technologies open for all platforms. Have you ever seen directx run on a Linux HP or sun computer?
I'm not going to tell anyone that Oracle or Sun are Perfect. But they didn't break every law in the book, and hire the best lawyers in the business to get them off the hook.
Yes, microsoft gets slammed on Slashdot, etc. But they've earned it!
Yes, there selling phone service. No, there not the telephone company though. This is a bit like calling a tangerine an orange. And, it's still being paid for by the phone company. I believe that the phone companies are starting to be really restrictive of the companies they contract for this though. There (the phone companies) are still getting hammered by the PUC for slamming, even though it's a contracted company doing it. Hopefully, this new law will stop the telcos and there subcontractors!
Since colorado put the law in place 6-8 months ago, I've had 1 telemarketter call. He left a message (An illegal recorded message even ). I turned him in, and I haven't heard from one since. The call list law has worked in colorado:) Hopefully, the national version will also.
$M may be succeeding in getting bugtraq shutdown. I haven't received a bugtraq for several days, and this morning, securityfocus.com appears to be down. Maybe it's a routing error, but...
There's been alot of government sponsored code audits going on. I'll bet over the next year or so, were going to see the number of advisories drop. It will be an interesting year!
First, the count of security advisories isn't to applicable. RedHat Has a slew of applications that go along with it. Microsoft's listing here is just for the
OS. This was discussed earlier this year.
One other note. Many of the advisories against Linux this year, in general were
put out before 0-day events, and the hacks were derived from the advisories. M ost the Microsoft advisories were post 0-day events.
Also, Why aren't you listing debian, mandrake and the other Linux distributions here? Just curious?
Going out and listing the advisories against any OS isn't necessarily a good way to define weather or not it's secure. There are
a lot of other issues involved. 1) How easy is it to secure the OS 2) What kinds of security holes are cropping up.
I'd rather have a dozen local exploits to 1
remote exploit. 3) What kind of response do you get for fixes to
the exploits. Microsoft has gotten much
better in this respect this year.
Also note that each system/OS has it's niche. I wouldn't run a terabyte databas e on Microsoft or Linux. I wouldn't run a web frontend on a Sunfire 15000.
This article seems to be providing alot of fluff, and not putting much hard evidence out. I know Linux inside out, and could conf igure it to be cheaper faster and more stable than Microsoft in many application s. That's because I know it well enough to do this. There are $M people that w ill say the same about $M products. I enjoy going back and forth with them abou t this. We keep it on a razzing level, and not to serious. Everyone else out t here should too!!
W.Kid
In most cases, the bugs are worked out on the pilot, and when everything is running, they don't renew the support contract. And then, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Upgrading packages (rpm's deb's, etc) tends to be a no-brainer under linux. Most the time without a reboot.
RIAA is not just the enemy of the ISP, your leaving out:
=> Musicians and Artists => Customers => The computer Industry => 16 year old kids that want to watch DVD's on
their computer => Open Source community.
Sooner or later, their policies will come back to haunt them. I hope it's sooner, not later.
Make that the 1990 internet. Spammers were blasted off the net, there were no braindead websites with pop-ups, pop-unders, and Gore had not invented the Information SuperHighway. It was kool then! Usenet News rocked, the porn was free (0f course I never downloaded porn;) Archie could find anything you wanted!
The music industry is getting lots of negitive feedback! The result, WAAA, nobody's paying for the SHIT we put out. We need DRM/DCMA! WAAAA! OH Uncle Sam, Please help us! WAAAA! We'll line your re-election campains with green wallpaper!
In the mean time, sales are down and dropping, and the only artists you hear on the radio are the ones that Companies like Sony are pushing and paying the radio stations to play.
I've been boycotting music Cd's for 2 years, and will continue to do so until the RIAA sinks, or starts treating customers and artists fairly.
A boycott for a day won't do much. I'll download music until they get a clue. Their not going to be able to stop downloading, or listening to music on the Internet. If they think they can, it just shows how clueless they really are.
I like the idea of listening to foreign stations. Since I can't pick any up on radio at work, that might end up being my music solution at work.
The original Unix code, written by Bell Labs, who couldn't sell it, gave it away free, to universities, and whoever wanted it. Eventually Berkley got thier hands on the license, and BSD was born. In the early days, it was free, then it got licensed. Now, a version written from scratch is free again, thanks to our friends in the Linux Community:)
So there was, and then there wasn't but now there is now again free UNIX's.
I almost forgot to mention, there is now freebsd. Which is BSD with the copywrited stuff filtered out and re-written under a new bsd license that is a free for use license.
You should re-read the post. Microsoft is Innocent. They didn't post anything. Microsoft is only the carrier that someone else posted this garbage on.
If Microsoft is guilty, then all the telecoms are in trouble. They will become responsible for every crime that was planned over a phone line.
The German courts are really screwed up on this one. There's no way to control what people put up on a chat session.
I hate Microsoft, and want them to get thumped out of general principle. However, this case takes away our freedoms by rights of uncensored free speech. Yea, the doink that did the photos stepped on whats-her-name. But that's no reason to take everyone's right for speech away. Graf should go after the poster, not the carrier.
Linus currently has control over the main tree I believe, although I think I may have read somewhere he is or may be passing this on in the future.
Having allot of branches on the Linux kernel tree is a double edged sword. It can create allot more developer input, but it can also make maintaining a stable tree with all the drivers for the latest hardware a royal pain. The further a branch with a unique driver is out on the tree, the harder it is to patch into the main trunk, to make it available to the majority of the Linux users and distributions. And the more branches there are, the more entropy results. Many of the kernel hackers out there are donating their time. It takes a fair amount of time to filter the good stuff out of the branches, and incorporate it into the main trunk. As more Branch's are created, the more time it takes to manage the main trunk. These guys need a life too ya know!
As a side note:
Alan has done a great job, and has been one of the leaders in Linux kernel development. Most of his AC branch of the kernel usually makes it into the kernel. If Linus ever steps down from handling the main trunk of the Linux kernel, I suspect Alan will be the primary candidate to take his place. His work and input has helped to make LINUX what it is today, and we appreciate his efforts!
W.Kid
Over the last year, the Linux kernel has been developing more branches.
With more branches of the kernel popping up all the time, are you concerned with managing a stable kernel with the latest drivers? What problems with kernel tree management do you see in the future!
PS: DCMA SUCKS!
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The High school kids were NOT the problem. The Management AXXHOLEs were the problem.
The high school kids at least tried to help. Some of them did at least.
There not the reason I believe everyone should boycott Best Buy. Management there SUCKS!!!
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As do I. My last experience with best buy was when they ran me around for an hour to do a price match on a cell phone. After getting bounced around for an hour, they said they wouldn't honor the deal because it was a cell phone, and they couldn't confirm the $50 rebate advertised in the paper that was in front of them. They treated my like a moron through the whole ordeal.
That's the last time I'll ever go into that store. I show my apprieciation for good service with my $$$. Best Buy(NOT) will never see any more of my hard earned income. I recommend everyone to stay away from them.
Yea Right. Code Red just spread itself. The company I work for only shut down email for 3 days trying to clear it out.
Of course nimda was based on code red, and automagically propigates itself also. It's still around. And there are versions that open up your IIS webserver so the propigator can get in with asministrator access. And there's also the fact that a version of the nimda worm is busy looking around the net for vulnerable DNS/SSH access on unix boxes.
Yea, the Code Red is harmless and didn't do any damage. And Corporate America didn't spend $millions$ cleaning up mail servers. And there are not thousands of boxes that hackers have back doors into because of the later Nimda versions.
The moron that wrote this article is an asshole that doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. But Hey, he got an article published on CNN, so what does it matter.
I'll tell you who's paying. Corporations. Corporations are not happy unless they are shelling out money for a supported product. For their money, they want to be able to have there brain-dead "just got MCSE" IT professional call customer support to find out how to fix the box he screwed up. They give the software away free, so that You and I will install, test and hack on the code, thereby reducing the development costs. Over the years, a base of technical people will evolve to support it, BECAUSE IT'S FREE! The subscription model will work, cause over the next few years, corporate america is discovering that the Stock Holders are finally beginning to inforce the idea that earnings and profitability are requirements. $M products are expensive, and $M support is a joke. $M won't be going away, but they will have their monopoly dented. Of course if Collien empliements the 9 state plan, then according to Billy, $M will crumble! (ROFL)
This article is in the seattle times! Redmond's back yard! I wonder how much $M paid to get this article published. Billy boy probably paid big bucks to get this published just to piss off Orale and Ellison!
At least it won't with Microsoft's technology. I can't say that I like the idea. Perennially it could have some benefits, but the possibility of having your ID stolen, having the database stolen, etc and the privacy concerns will kill it. Also, if they did this with $M technology, I wouldn't allow my ID to be placed in it, and I wouldn't use it. The government isn't stupid enough to do this. Yes, the government is stupid, but not this stupid. To many politicians would get roasted, so it will not happen.
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Oracle and SUN didn't crush Dr Dos, and other competitors by writing there apps to not run on competitive OS's. They didn't crush the competition in the courts to suppress the new technologies, so they could remain dominant. They didn't buy competitive companies so they could bury the technology, to eliminate the compitition. They didn't give away they're software, so that competitors couldn't stay in business (netscape for example) They didn't buy judges and polititions to win cases in court. Any evidence of this is buried, so we'll never see it of course. They didn't use embrace and extend policies to corrupt and distroy open standards, which would have kept the technologies open for all platforms. Have you ever seen directx run on a Linux HP or sun computer?
I'm not going to tell anyone that Oracle or Sun are Perfect. But they didn't break every law in the book, and hire the best lawyers in the business to get them off the hook.
Yes, microsoft gets slammed on Slashdot, etc. But they've earned it!
Are there Linux Drivers?
And does it work on any other day than April 1?
Actually, the telcos sub this job out to others.
:) Hopefully, the national version will also.
Yes, there selling phone service. No, there not the telephone company though. This is a bit like calling a tangerine an orange. And, it's still being paid for by the phone company. I believe that the phone companies are starting to be really restrictive of the companies they contract for this though. There (the phone companies) are still getting hammered by the PUC for slamming, even though it's a contracted company doing it. Hopefully, this new law will stop the telcos and there subcontractors!
Since colorado put the law in place 6-8 months ago, I've had 1 telemarketter call. He left a message (An illegal recorded message even ). I turned him in, and I haven't heard from one since. The call list law has worked in colorado
Did Taco Bell raise the price of tacos?
$M may be succeeding in getting bugtraq shutdown. I haven't received a bugtraq for several days, and this morning, securityfocus.com appears to be down. Maybe it's a routing error, but ...
Hmmm,
The same method I'm using. Money talks, and
bullshit walks! Let the FXCKING RIAA bastards
walk. They won't see any more of my money.
I can find any music I want on the net, and most
of it isn't the crap that they are trying to
shove down our throats.
There's been alot of government sponsored code audits going on. I'll bet over the next year or so, were going to see the number of advisories drop. It will be an interesting year!
First, the count of security advisories isn't to applicable. RedHat Has a slew
of applications that go along with it. Microsoft's listing here is just for the
OS. This was discussed earlier this year.
One other note. Many of the advisories against Linux this year, in general were
put out before 0-day events, and the hacks were derived from the advisories. M
ost the Microsoft advisories were post 0-day events.
Also, Why aren't you listing debian, mandrake and the other Linux distributions
here? Just curious?
Going out and listing the advisories against any
OS isn't necessarily a good way to define weather or not it's secure. There are
a lot of other issues involved.
1) How easy is it to secure the OS
2) What kinds of security holes are cropping up.
I'd rather have a dozen local exploits to 1
remote exploit.
3) What kind of response do you get for fixes to
the exploits. Microsoft has gotten much
better in this respect this year.
Also note that each system/OS has it's niche. I wouldn't run a terabyte databas
e on Microsoft or Linux. I wouldn't run a web frontend on a Sunfire 15000.
This article seems to be providing alot of fluff,
and not putting much hard evidence out. I know Linux inside out, and could conf
igure it to be cheaper faster and more stable than Microsoft in many application
s. That's because I know it well enough to do this. There are $M people that w
ill say the same about $M products. I enjoy going back and forth with them abou
t this. We keep it on a razzing level, and not to serious. Everyone else out t
here should too!!
W.Kid
In most cases, the bugs are worked out on the pilot, and when everything is running, they don't renew the support contract.
And then, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Upgrading packages (rpm's deb's, etc) tends to be
a no-brainer under linux. Most the time without a
reboot.
RIAA is not just the enemy of the ISP, your
leaving out:
=> Musicians and Artists
=> Customers
=> The computer Industry
=> 16 year old kids that want to watch DVD's on
their computer
=> Open Source community.
Sooner or later, their policies will come back
to haunt them. I hope it's sooner, not later.
Make that the 1990 internet. Spammers were blasted off the net, there were no braindead websites with pop-ups, pop-unders, and Gore had not invented the Information SuperHighway. It was kool then! Usenet News rocked, the porn was free (0f course I never downloaded porn
The music industry is getting lots of negitive feedback! The result, WAAA, nobody's paying for the SHIT we put out. We need DRM/DCMA! WAAAA!
OH Uncle Sam, Please help us! WAAAA! We'll line
your re-election campains with green wallpaper!
In the mean time, sales are down and dropping, and the only artists you hear on the radio are the ones that Companies like Sony are pushing and paying the radio stations to play.
Fuck sony!
I've been boycotting music Cd's for 2 years, and
will continue to do so until the RIAA sinks, or
starts treating customers and artists fairly.
A boycott for a day won't do much. I'll download
music until they get a clue. Their not going to be
able to stop downloading, or listening to music on
the Internet. If they think they can, it just
shows how clueless they really are.
I like the idea of listening to foreign stations.
Since I can't pick any up on radio at work, that
might end up being my music solution at work.
The original Unix code, written by Bell Labs, who couldn't sell it, gave it away free, to universities, and whoever wanted it. Eventually Berkley got thier hands on the license, and BSD was born. In the early days, it was free, then it got licensed. Now, a version written from scratch is free again, thanks to our friends in the Linux Community
So there was, and then there wasn't but now there is now again free UNIX's.
I almost forgot to mention, there is now freebsd. Which is BSD with the copywrited stuff filtered out and re-written under a new bsd license that is a free for use license.
You should re-read the post. Microsoft is Innocent. They didn't post anything. Microsoft is only the carrier that someone else posted
this garbage on.
If Microsoft is guilty, then all the telecoms are in trouble. They will become responsible for every crime that was planned over a phone line.
The German courts are really screwed up on this one. There's no way to control what people put up on a chat session.
I hate Microsoft, and want them to get thumped out of general principle. However, this case takes away our freedoms by rights of uncensored free speech. Yea, the doink that did the photos stepped on whats-her-name. But that's no reason to take everyone's right for speech away. Graf should go after the poster, not the carrier.
This one isn't $M bashing! It's STUPID SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR/STUPID DBA bashing.
Microsoft is semi-innocent on this one.
NOTE: They make their products so even a stupid administrator can install it, and this worm is proof of that!
Linus currently has control over the main tree I believe, although I think I may have read somewhere he is or may be passing this on in the future.
Having allot of branches on the Linux kernel tree is a double edged sword. It can create allot more developer input, but it can also make maintaining a stable tree with all the drivers for the latest hardware a royal pain. The further a branch with a unique driver is out on the tree, the harder it is to patch into the main trunk, to make it available to the majority of the Linux users and distributions. And the more branches there are, the more entropy results. Many of the kernel hackers out there are donating their time. It takes a fair amount of time to filter the good stuff out of the branches, and incorporate it into the main trunk. As more Branch's are created, the more time it takes to manage the main trunk. These guys need a life too ya know!
As a side note:
Alan has done a great job, and has been one of the leaders in Linux kernel development. Most of his AC branch of the kernel usually makes it into the kernel. If Linus ever steps down from handling the main trunk of the Linux kernel, I suspect Alan will be the primary candidate to take his place. His work and input has helped to make LINUX what it is today, and we appreciate his efforts!
W.Kid
I ARE AN ENGINEEER - GOOD SPELING IS KNOT A
REQIRMENT!
I suspect Everyone here knows I meant the DMCA. So I'm a bit dyslexic!
Over the last year, the Linux kernel has been developing more branches.
With more branches of the kernel popping up all the time, are you concerned with managing a stable kernel with the latest drivers? What problems with kernel tree management do you see in the future!
PS: DCMA SUCKS!
The High school kids were NOT the problem. The Management AXXHOLEs were the problem.
The high school kids at least tried to help. Some of them did at least.
There not the reason I believe everyone should boycott Best Buy. Management there SUCKS!!!
As do I.
My last experience with best buy was when they ran me around for an hour to do a price match on a cell phone. After getting bounced around for an hour, they said they wouldn't honor the deal because it was a cell phone, and they couldn't confirm the $50 rebate advertised in the paper that was in front of them. They treated my like a moron through the whole ordeal.
That's the last time I'll ever go into that store. I show my apprieciation for good service with my $$$. Best Buy(NOT) will never see any more of my hard earned income. I recommend everyone to stay away from them.
Yea Right.
Code Red just spread itself. The company I work for only shut down email for 3 days trying to clear it out.
Of course nimda was based on code red, and automagically propigates itself also. It's still around. And there are versions that open up your IIS webserver so the propigator can get in with asministrator access. And there's also the fact that a version of the nimda worm is busy looking around the net for vulnerable DNS/SSH access on unix boxes.
Yea, the Code Red is harmless and didn't do any damage. And Corporate America didn't spend $millions$ cleaning up mail servers. And there are not thousands of boxes that hackers have back doors into because of the later Nimda versions.
The moron that wrote this article is an asshole that doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. But Hey, he got an article published on CNN, so what does it matter.
I'll tell you who's paying. Corporations. Corporations are not happy unless they are shelling out money for a supported product. For their money, they want to be able to have there brain-dead "just got MCSE" IT professional call customer support to find out how to fix the box he screwed up. They give the software away free, so that You and I will install, test and hack on the code, thereby reducing the development costs. Over the years, a base of technical people will evolve to support it, BECAUSE IT'S FREE! The subscription model will work, cause over the next few years, corporate america is discovering that the Stock Holders are finally beginning to inforce the idea that earnings and profitability are requirements. $M products are expensive, and $M support is a joke. $M won't be going away, but they will have their monopoly dented. Of course if Collien empliements the 9 state plan, then according to Billy, $M will crumble! (ROFL)
This article is in the seattle times! Redmond's back yard! I wonder how much $M paid to get this article published.
Billy boy probably paid big bucks to get this published just to piss off Orale and Ellison!
At least it won't with Microsoft's technology. I can't say that I like the idea. Perennially it could have some benefits, but the possibility of having your ID stolen, having the database stolen, etc and the privacy concerns will kill it. Also, if they did this with $M technology, I wouldn't allow my ID to be placed in it, and I wouldn't use it. The government isn't stupid enough to do this. Yes, the government is stupid, but not this stupid. To many politicians would get roasted, so it will not happen.