Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's talking about those people. You know, the unwashed masses that are in a shithole and want a better life. And they can get it if they come here. Kind of like our great grandparents.
Also, I've yet to meet anyone going through the legal immigration system that just loved the process. They'd probably ask for the right to competent paper pushers.
Also also, wanna bet how many federal crimes you've broke in the last year? The answer: you don't know, and neither do the feds, but if they wanted to they'd find something.
HA, but they're too busy scratching each others backs at the cost of the rest of the populace.
Or trading other sorts of gratifications.... So you may be right in the end.
Government (ours at least) is there to keep things fair, and keep people happy. Or happy enough not to revolt and kick them out at least.
Corporations, the free market, and that whole capitalism thing is there to actually get shit done.
Without a market, governments have nothing there which needs keeping fair and everyone starves. Without a government, the biggest baddest dude in the market takes everything. They both need each other, and it's a balance of sorts that needs to be dynamic, but to say that a corporate system supports "fairness" in any way is a bit off.
See Wage Slave
Thankfully it's not nearly quite as bad as the typical example of wage slaves. But the world is not binary. It's about 6 billion shades of gray.
As for working somewhere else, the ol' resume is still being polished on monster...
How is it unjust? If you join the military (at least in the US), you did so voluntarily.
Yeah, I've seen this argument a few times.
"They moved there, it was their choice, they should have known better"
"It's voluntary, they knew what they were getting into"
"She married him, it's her own fault"
"Well he jumped off the bridge, so of course he died"
That last one is a suicidal crazy fucker. Yeah, he killed himself. But I don't think there's really a solid line distinguishing the difference between being pushed into a bad situation and going there of your own free will. Sure, some people go out and do stupid things. They deserve to be punished for it, otherwise there will be idiots everywhere (more so). But some people don't have any other choice. I know a few kids who's best option in life was to join the military. Too stupid for college, too poor to make it on their own, and not mature enough to left alone with booze. They could have failed out of college and racked up a lot of debt, or startup a failing business, but they were destined for the military.
We can't absolve people from the consequences of their actions, but neither can we ignore the environment that influences their actions.
Guns, knives, and roaming gangs puts them a little above the level of "bully". You generally know the difference between bullies and street gangs, even at that age.
Yup, came to say this. BP is a huge corporation with a lot on the line and so they should be held to a higher standard.
In a couple of my friends I find a really weird respect for corporations. It's like they believe in them and trust them solely on their profitability. While I can understand that such corporations are important, I just can't understand why they should be trusted and loved. If anything their power and capability should be cause to distrust them. And any amount of love you have for a company is usually just brand marketing.
Also, no, when you fuck up and cause a car accident you pay for it. It's either all up front or spread out over time with insurance (plus overhead and corporate profits).
It has been literally a decade since I last talked to uncle Mike the farmer about this. I have since been under the false assumption that Monsanto went through with it. But thanks dude, it's not every day I find myself refreshingly wrong.
Here's the best article I could find on the topic. You have to get all the way to the bottom before hearing how Monsanto backed off due to political pressure.
Of course, the wiki page also spells it out. And apparently somepeople simply get it wrong.
I believe that this would approach an urban legend against a megacorp.
If you go to Indiana you don't see the Monsanto soybeans growing wild in a ditch.
That's because Monsanto seeds are sterile. You can't simply buy once and plant some of the seeds from that crop, you have to buy from Monsanto each year. Seriously, this is basic bio-tech information from the 90's.
I dunno, the military types are the ones willing to dive head first into unknown and questionable territory without regard to life, limb, and cost to taxpayers.
I'm kinda surprised that our special forces don't have cyber eyes with natural night-vision and HUDs yet. Of course, super-soldiers take time to grow.
This is funny because I just bought The Windup Girl today, which takes a future Monsanto controlled dystopian future to an extreme. A little depressing, but a good read.
But the funny part is that Monsanto would welcome any sort of biological catastrophe, as they're the only ones that would be capable of fighting it. Kind of like how my paranoid father thinks the majority of viruses are produced by Norton and McCafee on the side just to stir up business, Monsanto could produce a better fungus to drive up business.
Evil, malicious, and a wonton disregard for human suffering, but massively profitable.
Well those hard working people apparently weren't smart enough to sail through highschool physics/calculus, since they apparently had to work at it.
It's a real kick in the pants, but some people are quick, clever, and sharp enough to achieve in a few minutes what it takes you hours to do. Life isn't fair, deal with it.
Hey, some of us zombie programmers like to keep the code within a nice small circle. It's kind of a undead pride to release some code under the kill and kill-a-like license. Although the PCL's* don't usually understand the brotherhood that we zombies have, we can usually get those spineless incorporeal asses in HR to back us up. But it's not like we're elitists or a specifically close-minded group. We welcome wight web-masters, c/c++ cadavermen, matlab mummies, ZZT-oop zombies, go ghouls, and scripting skeletons. They're all welcome under my licenses.
No matter how good the intentions may be here, I just can't see how this system could wind up as a force of good. You want some sort of benevolent dictator wielding the axe of patent infringement over the heads of everyone as some sort of deterrence system. That seems ripe for abuse. A good system has no head to cut off and no central authority to be corrupted.
Even at it's best, it's still sort of a colluding of the powers that be.
Right, but users like sopssa (1498795) who irrationally hate Google will support this sort of privacy violation in the name of supporting privacy. This is the point where rationality has been lost and the zealousness takes over.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's talking about those people. You know, the unwashed masses that are in a shithole and want a better life. And they can get it if they come here. Kind of like our great grandparents.
Also, I've yet to meet anyone going through the legal immigration system that just loved the process. They'd probably ask for the right to competent paper pushers.
Also also, wanna bet how many federal crimes you've broke in the last year? The answer: you don't know, and neither do the feds, but if they wanted to they'd find something.
HA, but they're too busy scratching each others backs at the cost of the rest of the populace.
Or trading other sorts of gratifications.... So you may be right in the end.
uhhhhh, not quite.
Government (ours at least) is there to keep things fair, and keep people happy. Or happy enough not to revolt and kick them out at least. Corporations, the free market, and that whole capitalism thing is there to actually get shit done.
Without a market, governments have nothing there which needs keeping fair and everyone starves. Without a government, the biggest baddest dude in the market takes everything. They both need each other, and it's a balance of sorts that needs to be dynamic, but to say that a corporate system supports "fairness" in any way is a bit off.
Body-snatching corpocleptocractic congressdroids...
Well now I've got a villain for my next D&D game.
See Wage Slave
Thankfully it's not nearly quite as bad as the typical example of wage slaves. But the world is not binary. It's about 6 billion shades of gray.
As for working somewhere else, the ol' resume is still being polished on monster...
How is it unjust? If you join the military (at least in the US), you did so voluntarily.
Yeah, I've seen this argument a few times.
"They moved there, it was their choice, they should have known better"
"It's voluntary, they knew what they were getting into"
"She married him, it's her own fault"
"Well he jumped off the bridge, so of course he died"
That last one is a suicidal crazy fucker. Yeah, he killed himself. But I don't think there's really a solid line distinguishing the difference between being pushed into a bad situation and going there of your own free will. Sure, some people go out and do stupid things. They deserve to be punished for it, otherwise there will be idiots everywhere (more so). But some people don't have any other choice. I know a few kids who's best option in life was to join the military. Too stupid for college, too poor to make it on their own, and not mature enough to left alone with booze. They could have failed out of college and racked up a lot of debt, or startup a failing business, but they were destined for the military.
We can't absolve people from the consequences of their actions, but neither can we ignore the environment that influences their actions.
The world just isn't as simple as that.
So sharks, leeches, and bloodsuckers,
Guns, knives, and roaming gangs puts them a little above the level of "bully". You generally know the difference between bullies and street gangs, even at that age.
Yup, came to say this. BP is a huge corporation with a lot on the line and so they should be held to a higher standard.
In a couple of my friends I find a really weird respect for corporations. It's like they believe in them and trust them solely on their profitability. While I can understand that such corporations are important, I just can't understand why they should be trusted and loved. If anything their power and capability should be cause to distrust them. And any amount of love you have for a company is usually just brand marketing.
Also, no, when you fuck up and cause a car accident you pay for it. It's either all up front or spread out over time with insurance (plus overhead and corporate profits).
Actually, the first com sci class was mostly about learning the syntax of C++. So yeah, it mattered.
It has been literally a decade since I last talked to uncle Mike the farmer about this. I have since been under the false assumption that Monsanto went through with it. But thanks dude, it's not every day I find myself refreshingly wrong.
Here's the best article I could find on the topic. You have to get all the way to the bottom before hearing how Monsanto backed off due to political pressure.
Of course, the wiki page also spells it out. And apparently some people simply get it wrong.
I believe that this would approach an urban legend against a megacorp.
Easy, you have some software that swaps out the weaker connection signal for the stronger signal and re-establishes the connections.
Come on, we are dreaming of the future here, it's not that difficult.
If you go to Indiana you don't see the Monsanto soybeans growing wild in a ditch.
That's because Monsanto seeds are sterile. You can't simply buy once and plant some of the seeds from that crop, you have to buy from Monsanto each year. Seriously, this is basic bio-tech information from the 90's.
I dunno, the military types are the ones willing to dive head first into unknown and questionable territory without regard to life, limb, and cost to taxpayers.
I'm kinda surprised that our special forces don't have cyber eyes with natural night-vision and HUDs yet. Of course, super-soldiers take time to grow.
Dude, that's what secret labs are for. Haven't you ever seen the mad scientists trope?
This is funny because I just bought The Windup Girl today, which takes a future Monsanto controlled dystopian future to an extreme. A little depressing, but a good read.
But the funny part is that Monsanto would welcome any sort of biological catastrophe, as they're the only ones that would be capable of fighting it. Kind of like how my paranoid father thinks the majority of viruses are produced by Norton and McCafee on the side just to stir up business, Monsanto could produce a better fungus to drive up business.
Evil, malicious, and a wonton disregard for human suffering, but massively profitable.
Well those hard working people apparently weren't smart enough to sail through highschool physics/calculus, since they apparently had to work at it.
It's a real kick in the pants, but some people are quick, clever, and sharp enough to achieve in a few minutes what it takes you hours to do. Life isn't fair, deal with it.
You know how your cell phone can "text"? You know how kids these days are all over that shit?
Well he's a pro tip, you can also do that with a computer.
That sounds awesome. A hell of a lot better then my ComSci department that made us write out code on paper for the tests.
Yeah, I can type a hell of a lot faster then I can write. And I can actually read it afterward!
Argonaut, Part Duex, bad to the bone!
Fixed buoyancy underlords you mean.
Hey, some of us zombie programmers like to keep the code within a nice small circle. It's kind of a undead pride to release some code under the kill and kill-a-like license. Although the PCL's* don't usually understand the brotherhood that we zombies have, we can usually get those spineless incorporeal asses in HR to back us up. But it's not like we're elitists or a specifically close-minded group. We welcome wight web-masters, c/c++ cadavermen, matlab mummies, ZZT-oop zombies, go ghouls, and scripting skeletons. They're all welcome under my licenses.
*Pointy Crowned Liches
No matter how good the intentions may be here, I just can't see how this system could wind up as a force of good. You want some sort of benevolent dictator wielding the axe of patent infringement over the heads of everyone as some sort of deterrence system. That seems ripe for abuse. A good system has no head to cut off and no central authority to be corrupted.
Even at it's best, it's still sort of a colluding of the powers that be.
Right, but users like sopssa (1498795) who irrationally hate Google will support this sort of privacy violation in the name of supporting privacy. This is the point where rationality has been lost and the zealousness takes over.