Probably by sheer stubbornness with a modicum of authority. There's a big lesson in Highschool about getting the system to do what you want. Turns out most of the time, the people whose job it is to say no will say yes if you're stubborn enough and have at least some plausible argument.
uhhhhhh wouldn't you, as an leftist extreamist not want to put kids through an inbred fundamentalist indoctrination? Wouldn't you say that's where, you know, "the right" comes from?
I mean, the traditional battle-lines usually involve "the left" putting kids through public education so everyone has a fair shot and indoctrinating kids on diversity.
Meanwhile "the right" put kids through private segregated schools indoctrinating them to fundamentalist beliefs. And the wealthy ones can afford the prestigious schools where the children are destined for greatness.
Keep to the script! You're confusing the audience!
Ornithopters can fly because they have wings.
Helicopters can fly, but not because they have wings.
Don't stretch the meaning of words to the breaking point.
Oh man! I had a epiphany about this the other day while thinking about the Chinese Room. The man in the room doesn't know Chinese, but the book DOES know Chinese. But it's not the book, or the pages, or the ink that knows Chinese, it's the pattern in the book that can be process in the real world. There is where the intelligence lies.
So usually I've scoffed at the whole mind-body dualism group, and I still do, but this is the epiphany I had: The mind is a pattern of neurons, synapses, and whatnot which is being held by the brain. Just as software absolutely exists in the real world as pattern of magnetic inequalities on a metal platter, the mind exists on the hardware that is our brains. It's not that the mind and body are one and the same, the mind exists within the brain.
I'm pretty sure that the "soul" is similarly a subset of the mind. A portion of our mind deals with thinking kittens are adorable and another section deals with being at peace with reality or something like that.
So while I agree that the soul is a concept in the mind, I'd have to say that it still exists. You know, as much as the ego, id, or the mind itself does. As a config of the brain.
Of course, if you want to get new-agey and out there, you can also realize that the brain is a configuration of cells, which are a configuration of atoms, which are a configuration of... uh... ferengi bartenders or something.
Yeah, you're right. Shouldn't have invoked 9/11. I was angry. That wasn't a resource war, it was blowback of CIA actions during the cold-war. It had jack-shit to do with Clinton and you know it. At that specific point in my post "you and yours" was more referring to war-mongers in general, but I really didn't make that clear did I?
Anyway,
I want to PAY for the bloody oil, you git! Furthermore, slashdot does not run on oil, and coal-liquification is going to be a handy, if dirty, fall-back when oil runs dry.
We don't live in a barbaric world where the strong take from the weak. We're more civilized then that. If want to tear that down that world and support a resource war, then I will go to your door and take it because apparently we're barbarians. If you enjoy possessing more then two hand-held items at a time, then you should respect this whole "rule of law" thing. If someone has something you want, you must have a mutually agreed transfer of goods/services/cash. If you don't have anything they want, then get a job you lazy bum! You are locked in a nation full of raging psychopathic lunatics barely keeping their greedy nature in check. If you REALLY want to resort to barbarianism, you'd best sleep in a mountain fortress complex with one eye open.
And if you decided to get together with some buddies and raid Canada for their beavers and syrup, then the mounties are going to come and retaliate. Knowing full-well that mounties would retaliate indiscriminately against me and mine just to get to you and yours, I would do what I could to hinder your raid. There is no fundamental difference with Iraq and their oil. Sure, they have LESS capabilities to come retaliate, but it turns out that they just have to have a few dedicated individuals to wage asymmetrical warfare on us. Seriously, YOU, people LIKE YOU, and arguments LIKE YOURS are a contributing factor to the deaths on 9/11/01.
So for all those that died that day, for all those that will die in your resource wars, Fuck You.
Alright, this is important right here. You've got this worldview that defines things like mass, momentum, inertia, speed, all that crap. And it all interacts and you know, works.
Ok, that worldview, yeah, it isn't perfect. It's not complete bullshit because the sun will rise tomorrow and a thrown rock still comes back down to earth. But it's not perfect. This little bit here with photons, yeah, you're getting it wrong.
So you're going to have to do a few things to avoid being a hard-headed imbecile:
a) Accept that you don't know how this portion of the world works, for now.
b) Learn how it does work from people smarter then you.
c) Update your worldview to incorperate what you've learned.
I'm pretty sure that China does a rather lot of exporting to the rest of the world.
Furthermore, China imports goods and services they can't reproduce on their own..... like the quality search engine that is Google.
can't even write a simple piece of 2 way matching code in COBOL let alone in SQL or C++.
Protip: Don't imply that SQL or C++ is difficult, or that COBOL exists. Unless, you know, you're being hired as a COBOL developer.
I strongly believe that there are two paths that programmers need to experience:
Building something from scratch, and gluing pre-made tools together. Both are important skills.
If every time you sit down and re-make the wheel for each job, you're slow.
If you can't code the basics, you'll never use the tools in the right way.
First they came for the cocaine. But I was not a coke head, and so I said nothing
First they came for the Tobacco. But I was not a smoker, and so I said nothing
Then they came for burgers, but by then I was 400lbs. and couldn't leave the house.
But in all seriousness, I see this as gearing up for a fatty-food sin tax. Just as they are taxing and shaming lung-cancer out of existence, they're going to try and make the USA fit.
I I hadn't already posted here, this would get a mod point.
Way WAY too many people think their system will work for all of society. But any society is vast, varied, and full of special exceptions that don't work within the presumptions.
Uh, in this case it's China and their censorship laws and EVERYONE ELSE in the world. Specifically us here at slashdot. It's like my comment wasn't just a wild tangent or something.
It's been YEARS since someone asked about the spork. It's doing fine.
And it's a lame joke from a movie. Peasants are arguing for revolt against Roman rule and someone asks: "What has rome ever done for us?" Others keep interjecting with, well, all the good that Rome has done. It ends with the rabble rouser dismissing all the good they've done and asking what good they've done. Similar to how the OP says that "yes those were bad things that are now better, but we're talking about how things were worse then"
And now that I've explained the joke, it is a lifeless and empty shell of it's former self and you've just lost those three seconds you'll never get back and you're now free to leave Heck. Bwahahaha, hehehee, ha. Well go on, I've got to polish the ol' spork.
YAY relative morality!
But a vital factor in relativity is that shit has to have a reference. So if someone grew up and exists in a society where personal possession is meaningless, then stealing won't be considered immoral TO HIM. It can still be considered immoral to everyone else. And people won't agree on basic morality, which is what we have going on in this thread. This also jives with history. It doesn't make the moral questions meaningless, but it does make it more complicated. What? You thought this would be easy?
Yes, well, that whole "divine right" thing was a while ago and while in places there's essentially a state religion, the Church of England hasn't passed any legislature in a while and everyone involved is better off for it. They've left that whole governance thing strictly to the secular world.
As opposed to the USA where some of the churches are foaming at the mouth to put a preacher in the white house.
Followed by the Ridiculously Large Telescope and the Ludicrously Large Telescope which, due to licensing and trademark issues, can ironically fit on your desk.
Well what's communism then if not Soviet communism?
Intellectually, in the ivory tower, and in the history books, sure I know that Soviet Russia wasn't ideally communistic. It didn't adhere to communist ideals. But I didn't think that anyone agreed what those ideals were. Given that Soviet Russia is the primary example of communism, and that everyone associates the two together, I'd argue that here in the real world, they have defined what communism is.
If you want to take another stab at everyone chipping in for the common good, feel free, but get yourself a different name.
And companies aren't leaving China because the people have cast off their classist ideas about money and pay, it's because of the controlling and backstabbing government. Which is why it's fitting to call China a communist government.
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Probably by sheer stubbornness with a modicum of authority. There's a big lesson in Highschool about getting the system to do what you want. Turns out most of the time, the people whose job it is to say no will say yes if you're stubborn enough and have at least some plausible argument.
uhhhhhh wouldn't you, as an leftist extreamist not want to put kids through an inbred fundamentalist indoctrination? Wouldn't you say that's where, you know, "the right" comes from?
I mean, the traditional battle-lines usually involve "the left" putting kids through public education so everyone has a fair shot and indoctrinating kids on diversity.
Meanwhile "the right" put kids through private segregated schools indoctrinating them to fundamentalist beliefs. And the wealthy ones can afford the prestigious schools where the children are destined for greatness.
Keep to the script! You're confusing the audience!
Ornithopters can fly because they have wings.
Helicopters can fly, but not because they have wings.
Don't stretch the meaning of words to the breaking point.
That's epic loot from Dungeons and Discourse.
Oh man! I had a epiphany about this the other day while thinking about the Chinese Room. The man in the room doesn't know Chinese, but the book DOES know Chinese. But it's not the book, or the pages, or the ink that knows Chinese, it's the pattern in the book that can be process in the real world. There is where the intelligence lies.
So usually I've scoffed at the whole mind-body dualism group, and I still do, but this is the epiphany I had: The mind is a pattern of neurons, synapses, and whatnot which is being held by the brain. Just as software absolutely exists in the real world as pattern of magnetic inequalities on a metal platter, the mind exists on the hardware that is our brains. It's not that the mind and body are one and the same, the mind exists within the brain.
I'm pretty sure that the "soul" is similarly a subset of the mind. A portion of our mind deals with thinking kittens are adorable and another section deals with being at peace with reality or something like that.
So while I agree that the soul is a concept in the mind, I'd have to say that it still exists. You know, as much as the ego, id, or the mind itself does. As a config of the brain.
Of course, if you want to get new-agey and out there, you can also realize that the brain is a configuration of cells, which are a configuration of atoms, which are a configuration of... uh... ferengi bartenders or something.
What? Blasphemy! This had been on the NEWS! Everyone knows that if it's newsworthy then it MUST be a gigantic issue and pertinent to everyone.
Yeah, you're right. Shouldn't have invoked 9/11. I was angry. That wasn't a resource war, it was blowback of CIA actions during the cold-war. It had jack-shit to do with Clinton and you know it. At that specific point in my post "you and yours" was more referring to war-mongers in general, but I really didn't make that clear did I?
Anyway,
I want to PAY for the bloody oil, you git! Furthermore, slashdot does not run on oil, and coal-liquification is going to be a handy, if dirty, fall-back when oil runs dry.
As an American, sincerely I say: "Fuck You".
We don't live in a barbaric world where the strong take from the weak. We're more civilized then that. If want to tear that down that world and support a resource war, then I will go to your door and take it because apparently we're barbarians. If you enjoy possessing more then two hand-held items at a time, then you should respect this whole "rule of law" thing. If someone has something you want, you must have a mutually agreed transfer of goods/services/cash. If you don't have anything they want, then get a job you lazy bum! You are locked in a nation full of raging psychopathic lunatics barely keeping their greedy nature in check. If you REALLY want to resort to barbarianism, you'd best sleep in a mountain fortress complex with one eye open.
And if you decided to get together with some buddies and raid Canada for their beavers and syrup, then the mounties are going to come and retaliate. Knowing full-well that mounties would retaliate indiscriminately against me and mine just to get to you and yours, I would do what I could to hinder your raid. There is no fundamental difference with Iraq and their oil. Sure, they have LESS capabilities to come retaliate, but it turns out that they just have to have a few dedicated individuals to wage asymmetrical warfare on us. Seriously, YOU, people LIKE YOU, and arguments LIKE YOURS are a contributing factor to the deaths on 9/11/01.
So for all those that died that day, for all those that will die in your resource wars, Fuck You.
Yeah, think about all the good things Hitler did.
You heard the man, time for WAR! Blood for the blood-god. Tear out their eyes and rip their throats as open as the GNU
Except when the ISP has a monopoly on broadband in the area. Which is one of the reasons we have the FCC.
Alright, this is important right here. You've got this worldview that defines things like mass, momentum, inertia, speed, all that crap. And it all interacts and you know, works.
Ok, that worldview, yeah, it isn't perfect. It's not complete bullshit because the sun will rise tomorrow and a thrown rock still comes back down to earth. But it's not perfect. This little bit here with photons, yeah, you're getting it wrong.
So you're going to have to do a few things to avoid being a hard-headed imbecile:
a) Accept that you don't know how this portion of the world works, for now.
b) Learn how it does work from people smarter then you.
c) Update your worldview to incorperate what you've learned.
I'm pretty sure that China does a rather lot of exporting to the rest of the world.
Furthermore, China imports goods and services they can't reproduce on their own..... like the quality search engine that is Google.
You seeing the connection to post yet?
I hear there's some entry level positions at the soylent factory. High-fiber a plus!
can't even write a simple piece of 2 way matching code in COBOL let alone in SQL or C++.
Protip: Don't imply that SQL or C++ is difficult, or that COBOL exists. Unless, you know, you're being hired as a COBOL developer.
I strongly believe that there are two paths that programmers need to experience:
Building something from scratch, and gluing pre-made tools together. Both are important skills.
If every time you sit down and re-make the wheel for each job, you're slow.
If you can't code the basics, you'll never use the tools in the right way.
First they came for the cocaine. But I was not a coke head, and so I said nothing
First they came for the Tobacco. But I was not a smoker, and so I said nothing
Then they came for burgers, but by then I was 400lbs. and couldn't leave the house.
But in all seriousness, I see this as gearing up for a fatty-food sin tax. Just as they are taxing and shaming lung-cancer out of existence, they're going to try and make the USA fit.
I I hadn't already posted here, this would get a mod point. Way WAY too many people think their system will work for all of society. But any society is vast, varied, and full of special exceptions that don't work within the presumptions.
Uh, in this case it's China and their censorship laws and EVERYONE ELSE in the world. Specifically us here at slashdot. It's like my comment wasn't just a wild tangent or something.
It's been YEARS since someone asked about the spork. It's doing fine.
And it's a lame joke from a movie. Peasants are arguing for revolt against Roman rule and someone asks: "What has rome ever done for us?" Others keep interjecting with, well, all the good that Rome has done. It ends with the rabble rouser dismissing all the good they've done and asking what good they've done. Similar to how the OP says that "yes those were bad things that are now better, but we're talking about how things were worse then"
And now that I've explained the joke, it is a lifeless and empty shell of it's former self and you've just lost those three seconds you'll never get back and you're now free to leave Heck. Bwahahaha, hehehee, ha. Well go on, I've got to polish the ol' spork.
YAY relative morality!
But a vital factor in relativity is that shit has to have a reference. So if someone grew up and exists in a society where personal possession is meaningless, then stealing won't be considered immoral TO HIM. It can still be considered immoral to everyone else. And people won't agree on basic morality, which is what we have going on in this thread. This also jives with history. It doesn't make the moral questions meaningless, but it does make it more complicated. What? You thought this would be easy?
Yes, well, that whole "divine right" thing was a while ago and while in places there's essentially a state religion, the Church of England hasn't passed any legislature in a while and everyone involved is better off for it. They've left that whole governance thing strictly to the secular world.
As opposed to the USA where some of the churches are foaming at the mouth to put a preacher in the white house.
Followed by the Ridiculously Large Telescope and the Ludicrously Large Telescope which, due to licensing and trademark issues, can ironically fit on your desk.
Well what's communism then if not Soviet communism?
Intellectually, in the ivory tower, and in the history books, sure I know that Soviet Russia wasn't ideally communistic. It didn't adhere to communist ideals. But I didn't think that anyone agreed what those ideals were. Given that Soviet Russia is the primary example of communism, and that everyone associates the two together, I'd argue that here in the real world, they have defined what communism is.
If you want to take another stab at everyone chipping in for the common good, feel free, but get yourself a different name.
And companies aren't leaving China because the people have cast off their classist ideas about money and pay, it's because of the controlling and backstabbing government. Which is why it's fitting to call China a communist government.
Yeah dude, I loved that book.
You get a birthday card from Obama?