Hmmmm, "activism in China".... That historically hasn't gone very well. At least any time a story got news worthy enough to jump the ocean so we actually hear about it. But this isn't against the government, but rather against a chinese company. And the government is, essentially, participating with regulation lockdowns as you'd expect a functioning government to do when there's troubles.
But it'll be interesting if the masses start to realize that they have power and can change things.
For ages China and India have treated women as second and third grade citizens
Sure. But NOT treating women like 2nd/3rd class citizens (or chattel) is a recent development. At least when you start talking about "ages". Remember that whole "witch burning" phenomenon in Europe? But now they have rights and can vote and stuff. Just not in China, that'd be silly, none of them vote over there.
China has a male to female ratio of two to one in some places due to the one child policy having everyone aim for a male son.
China, at birth: 1.15 male(s)/female (2015)
In the USA, 2010, At birth: 1.048 male or female
America has a male to female ratio of about 15 to 1 in some places due to the fact none of them want to be software engineers.
Same thing in India.
Well it's certainly not exactly the same in India, they don't have a 1-child policy.
A 2011 census had a ratio of births was 1.09. So... about halfway between the US and China.
Thing is about all this, historically when there's a big sexual imbalance, the thing nations did with all those extra people was to send them to war. But things have changed since then.
Too far. While it might feel good to say "go punch a NAZI", advocating violence just puts you down at the level of the brownshirts. You're not helping our side.
huh. That'd be a really interesting pile of histograms. The distributions of income (and hours worked [and years experience (and cost of living)]) of the various industries. There are literal rockstars but most artists starve and are desperate for gigs. Something like civil servants have pretty flat and fair wages (at least among themselves)..... I think.
So? Your surgeon also "just follows the guidelines" but is pretty damn important, skilled, well paid, and "has value".
Automating repetitive tasks is a very common and well spelled out process in the software industry. All you did was apply best practices and following the guidelines.
Most jobs, when you look deeper into them, are way deeper and more complicated that you initially think. But hey, there are also lazy sacks of shit that are complete wastes of oxygen whose job really deserves to replaced with a three-line script. If she came off as intelligent and competent though, she's probably not one.
The value of a math degree is tied to the fact that everyone who knows people who hold a math degree appear to be intelligent and competent, even outside their field of study. That's a large part of what any degrees does for you. It proves you're a smart cookie and can learn.
That's real cute you automated something. Good job. Now do some discreet signal processing and frequency analysis to determine which songs have stenographic messages hidden in them. If shifting from the time-domain to the frequency-domain blows your mind, you'd best get back to the math books.
"Can't do this"? Harsh. These people aren't worthless. They just can't figure out calculus or architect 15 different bloody packages all working cross purpose.
I think we need code janitors. The grunts in charge of.... all that worthless shit that gets tossed around in code reviews. And to have the arduous task of pulling in legacy software and just documenting what it currently does. They don't have to write code, they might not even have a need to read it. We need a "tech school" of programming.
And we DO need people to teach highschool physics.
Help desks need workers.
SWQA isn't glorious at all, but it's vital and needed. Mostly paperwork checking, but all those Internet of Things devices could sorely use some more test.
Soooooo much of engineering isn't that hard. It's just crossing t's and dotting i's. If you employed an independent team of minimum wage quality checkers, even if they only caught something a fourth of the time as the high'n'mighty engineers, they'd pay for themselves....uh... The world has 1,930,182,352 people with an IQ of below 90 (and more every ~2 seconds). That's the bottom 25%. By definition.
The first month since the announcement of the repeal saw an increase in US average broadband download speeds from roughly 78mbps to about 82mbps.
Alright, so one month goes by. They sure didn't lay down any lines in a month. Unless they pre-planned to turn on some pathways in just such an event. In which case this smells more like political maneuvering than a technological success story.
So what did they do? How did they increase those speeds? If they could simply choose to increase the speeds across the board simply because "NN was stopping them" how exactly did they break NN to increase the speeds?
hmmm, probably every hour worked and every paycheck. I'm not sure if that's "training" or "spotting a trend". But that whole capitalism thing has worked out pretty well for me.
But I CAN save you. At long as you're a citizen in my country. I'm paying to keep you on the dole after all. No worries, you're welcome. We've honestly got plenty.
Gah, what's the point with anonymous crackpots though?
The existing current plumbers? They're not losing their jobs. Neither are all the people currently training to be plumbers. Everyone that employs plumbers will of course complain that there's a lack of plumbers, the same way that the tech companies complain about a lack of tech workers. Which is "we don't like paying them so much".
But yeah, sure, it's good to remind kids that the trades are also a viable career path. Especially if you can't pass calculus.
(Home plumbing has gotten way easier these days now that everything is plastic. Still kind of a bitch, but easier.)
Posted below, but here it is. The common refrain is STEM:
Science: Make sure you get more than a BS. What do you do with a BS in physics? Teach highschool.
Technology: Because politicians are too dumb to distinguish between sysadmins and programmers. This is like.... everything the slahdot crowd does.
Engineering: It's all the other fields, but with more bloody paperwork and an extra $30K.
Math: Practically nobody is employed as an actual mathematician, but holy shit is it useful everywhere else. It's like the Jack-of-all-Trades skill from Traveller but for the job market.
And also business, because with all the disruptive tech, there's opportunity for people to carve out their niche. Mostly likely to be swallowed up by some megacorp, but they get rich in the process and the megacorp (in theory) gets new capabilities.
that everyone could live a comfy life with barely having to work at all.
YES, and compared to the age when fields had to be harvested with a sickle and mines had to be dug with pickaxes and hammer, nearly anyone CAN live a "comfy" life with doing barely any hard labor at all.
BUT, the definition of "comfy" has changed. If you're ok with sleeping on a cobble-stone floor in the common room, some ways from the hearth, then GOOD NEWS! If you demand your own bedroom and wifi and air-conditioning, then you're going to have to work for it.
But if you live in a developed nation, they likely have some sort of welfare program. If you want to live on the bottom rung of society, we'll take care of you. But you have to play nice and jump through some hoops. If you want to live an easy life of luxury, go build your own robots. If you don't know how to do that, or simply don't want to, you're not exactly contributing to society and probably shouldn't be preaching about "leeches".
"AI" (which we don't actually have yet)
Sure, whatever. If your job can be replaced by "NOT REALLY AI", then it's functionally equivalent.
With all the disruptive tech, there's plenty of call for people willing to try and carve out their own niche. If you look at the statistics, there's a big call for business degrees.
Actually, doctors are the exact sort of thing that are probably on the chopping block. Sure, everyone is concerned about truckers and factory workers, as well they ought to be. But AI or expert systems or big-ass if-else chains given a list of symptoms and lab results and patient history can outperform the general practitioners that do the initial diagnostic and refer you to specialists. And there are a TON of GPs out there. A generation of people are going to get bit in the ass when they spend two decades in school only to find out that a computer took their job in the end and they have to retrain to go be a nurse.
AI is going to EAT the white-collar class of people who have boring repetitive jobs.
but this time they're not even saying what I'm supposed to retrain for...
The common refrain is actually STEM:
Science: Make sure you get more than a BS. What do you do with a BS in physics? Teach highschool.
Technology: Because politicians are too dumb to distinguish between sysadmins and programmers. This is like.... all of slashdot.
Engineering: It's all the other fields, but with more bloody paperwork and an extra $30K.
Math: Practically nobody is employed as an actual mathematician, but holy shit is it useful everywhere else. It's like the Jack-of-all-Trades skill from Traveller but for the job market.
How do you train, say, a lorry (truck) driver whose being replaced by AI-powered self-driving lorries?
Same way you train anyone else. You just train/teach them to do something OTHER than driving a truck. They're probably not going to stay in the shipping industry. Same way that all those weavers never found work as weavers after the automated looms took over. "Trucker" as a profession will simply be gone.
The problem is that training and education has diminishing returns on the old. Which is why we send kids to school. Nobody wants to give a 50 years old a scholarship because they'll be dead or looking to retire in a mere 20 years.
1) Teach kids the skills they need for tomarrow.
2) Retrain, teach young adults that are displaced by disruptive technologies.
3) Early retire with a shitty-ass pension the elderly with no other options. It's got to be shitty because we WANT them to go find alternatives. But just throwing them to the curb would be cruel. For us in the USA over here, it'd be something like handing out exceptions that lower the age for Social Security.
4) Don't forget that the government giving away free money to institutions will raise prices. You ALSO have to encourage additional competition in academia and tech schools.
Now just where did you get that? You appear to be delusional and creating a strawman you can beat up. Please, I know it's hard, but try to stay in reality.
No, I'm quite unhappy with how crufty our genome is. Could be way better.
Do people who are happy toss around obscenties
Fuck yeah I do! Especially when I'm happy. You know, now that I think about it, you've got a weird sort of.... worldview that there's a fundamental happiness scale and people's whole disposition resides on it. People are happy sometimes. People are sad sometimes. It probably averages out to about zero in the long run unless you've got some sort of clinical disorder.
You are clearly a software developer.
SW engineer. I work with expensive shit. But no, you're not psychically seeing into my brain, and no you don't know how I'm thinking here. To presume you know my thoughts better than I do is insulting. There are real tangible and objective measurements for code. Namely, why the fuck do we have impacted wisdom teeth!? Are you seriously defending this? Or Downs Syndrome. Or bone cancer. Or Alzheimers. In what bizarro world is that a good idea?
if you had the chance to re-write your DNA, would you do it?
But let me guess, you're also against tattoos and piercings? Is dying your hair too much? I mean, you think people who swear casually are sad. Just... wow.
Instead of choosing to be someone you are not, choose yourself !
Listen, I don't really appreciate you trying to be some sort of.... "life coach" or whatever it is you're trying to do. Kindly fuck off with that nonsense. You started this whole thing off with an insult claiming I don't understand agency, so you're not really running high on reverence or respect and you're going to get the same in return.
Instead of choosing some logically inconsistent skywizard and a collection of fan-fiction written by the kids of a religious cult, choose reality!
If it happened overnight, sure. Not over the span of centuries, where people can build dikes or simply move. After all, most of that stuff didn't use to be there. And even if "industrial areas" flooded, it would be at most a minor nuisance.
I think he's talking about "industrial areas" like old factories with polluted dirt, that would wash away and into places we don't want it. Nobody but nobody, not even super-fund money, is going to move all the polluted GROUND of all the old factories that would be at risk of flooding. But I have to agree, this would be a nuisance in the big scheme of things. It'd likely kill thousands to millions via cancer and such, but over hundreds of years that's just a nuisance. In 10, it's more severe.
The bigger problem is that we CAN'T simply move things like FORESTS. And now all of California is too damn dry to support the forests they have and they're all on fire. Same is happening to Colorado. We're going to have to live with perpetual "don't even fart in the forest" levels of fire-ban because it's way dryer than the ecosystem is expecting. We also can't simply insta-seed all those hills with the mudslides for the places that get more rainfall. Or the places that used to have forests securing their dirt to the floor. And we can't simply relocate all the flora and fauna that depend on their climate being stable decade to decade. We ARE in the middle of a mass extinction event. And we can't move cities. We just can't. It's too damn expensive. New Orleans has been underwater for years, but it's still "economically viable" to keep building there. If that changed, we'd be looking at a humanitarian crisis. Are you ready for American refugees? And the cost of "preparing" a city for climate change is astounding. Like Hurricanes in NY. They're constant routine affair for Tokyo and Miami. They've built to deal with it. But NY is boned. Likewise if Pheonix simply runs out of water.
Even the IPCC has been unable to make a compelling argument for preventing climate change.
Yep. There are some ludicrously expensive ideas, and some crack-pot ideas, but nothing really viable. The best advice they've got is to shoot ourselves in the foot a little less by restricting CO2 pollution. The thing that is currently driving the bulk of climate change. That'd be oil consumption.
What are you guys even still doing here? This isn't a debate anymore, no one else is watching. I doubt either of you two will change your minds on anything. So really, what's the point of all this?
Oh you're adorable. What other sort of bedtime fairy-tales do you have in store for us?
It is you who clings to the absurd notion that fossil fuel subsidies somehow keep fossil fuels alive.
You're less adorable when you're shoveling shit I didn't say into my mouth.
No.
Oil and gas subsidies are simply making a few CEO's richer.
We should kill both subsidies.
I for one LIKE technological improvement. And hey, to be completely fair to the oil barons, they found out how to extract it in bulk from oil shale. I didn't see that coming. That's a good thing, overall, as long as all that extra CO2 doesn't disrupt economies or kill us all.
Right now, solar subsidies are hurting innovation.
but we absolutely should have some bar to enfranchisement beyond mere citizenship.
Said the tyrant.
Seriously, every past example of this has been used and abused to just accumulate votes for the people in power choosing who gets to vote. Learn some history. Spot the trend.
I understand the desire. You'd prefer people stop leeching off society and living on the dole. If they get more than 50% of the vote, they'll just vote to increase the dole. It's an unworkable system. But we've been here before. Your idea doesn't work. It's been tried. You need to come up with something better.
In fact, subsidies, like taxes, are usually just passed on to consumers, so subsidies lower both gas prices (insignificantly because they are so small)
Aaaaaaand now he's done a full 180. Now $4.6 Billion/year is "too small" a subsidy to oil and gas companies to have an effect. But apparently all that money "just gets passed on to consumers" so hey I guess they're not that bad at all.
So I've got this idea that we've more or less caught up to the cyberpunk genre. It's no longer sci-fi, it's just fiction. Sometimes current events. I'm collecting a pile of Articles that lend weight to that argument. This one is going on the pile.
In the public transit sense. Our rail moves coal. Which has priority over Amtrak.
Good! That's the economically rational, environmentally friendly way of using the rail system.
That'd be a 20 hours drive, passing through 4 countries. ~1200 miles. Even with US prices, that'd be $134 in gas money alone.
In the US, you'd fly.
Yaaaay all that economically rational and environmentally friendly use of jet fuel! From all those.... privileged few who ever have need of flying 1200 miles.... Because that's different than... riding an elitist euro trains... I guess... hmm.
Why wouldn't I agree to abolish a meaningless, insignificant subsidy [to the USA Oil&Gas companies]?
Well let's just focus on our shared goals and common ground shall we? Fuck giving the record-breaking-profit corporations free money.
You know what is also very common on slashdot? Unhappiness.
Careful with all that projection. I mean... you ARE here after all. Whom else would you be talking about?
and a judge is only going to hold the dad liable for that and not what the kid does with it.
...Hold up. You think that.... if a father abuses his kid for years, who then goes out and commits murder because he's a psychological mess from all that abuse, and all that abuse comes to light and the father is facing trial..... you think that a judge won't take THE MURDER into account? Ha. Ok kiddo. Whew boy, you've never dealt with the courts have you?
"The basement" is a euphemism for "hell". Dear god you suck at this whole symbolism thing. Are you some sort of bible literalist? John 10:9, Is Jesus literally a door?
You really don't understand agency. This whole "shared guilt" thing is a crime against justice.
You really don't understand responsibility. Maybe you will when you have kids. And I hope you don't own any guns.
perhaps you don't believe your own depictions.
Oh no, I believe with full conviction that our genome is crufty as all fucking get out. Seriously, have you ever looked at this thing? It has all the hallmarks of machine generated source code. If this was designed, that code-monkey seriously needs some code review.
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Hmmmm, "activism in China".... That historically hasn't gone very well. At least any time a story got news worthy enough to jump the ocean so we actually hear about it. But this isn't against the government, but rather against a chinese company. And the government is, essentially, participating with regulation lockdowns as you'd expect a functioning government to do when there's troubles.
But it'll be interesting if the masses start to realize that they have power and can change things.
For ages China and India have treated women as second and third grade citizens
Sure. But NOT treating women like 2nd/3rd class citizens (or chattel) is a recent development. At least when you start talking about "ages". Remember that whole "witch burning" phenomenon in Europe? But now they have rights and can vote and stuff. Just not in China, that'd be silly, none of them vote over there.
China has a male to female ratio of two to one in some places due to the one child policy having everyone aim for a male son.
China, at birth: 1.15 male(s)/female (2015)
In the USA, 2010, At birth: 1.048 male or female
America has a male to female ratio of about 15 to 1 in some places due to the fact none of them want to be software engineers.
Same thing in India.
Well it's certainly not exactly the same in India, they don't have a 1-child policy.
A 2011 census had a ratio of births was 1.09. So... about halfway between the US and China.
Thing is about all this, historically when there's a big sexual imbalance, the thing nations did with all those extra people was to send them to war. But things have changed since then.
Too far. While it might feel good to say "go punch a NAZI", advocating violence just puts you down at the level of the brownshirts. You're not helping our side.
Trump appointees continue mission of dismantling their institutions.
So have AT&T and Medicom established a checker-board pattern of non-compete territory all of which is half a mile from the other's guy's territory?
And which telecom do you think Ajit Pai is going to go work for once he's kicked out?
huh. That'd be a really interesting pile of histograms. The distributions of income (and hours worked [and years experience (and cost of living)]) of the various industries. There are literal rockstars but most artists starve and are desperate for gigs. Something like civil servants have pretty flat and fair wages (at least among themselves)..... I think.
So? Your surgeon also "just follows the guidelines" but is pretty damn important, skilled, well paid, and "has value".
Automating repetitive tasks is a very common and well spelled out process in the software industry. All you did was apply best practices and following the guidelines.
Most jobs, when you look deeper into them, are way deeper and more complicated that you initially think. But hey, there are also lazy sacks of shit that are complete wastes of oxygen whose job really deserves to replaced with a three-line script. If she came off as intelligent and competent though, she's probably not one.
The value of a math degree is tied to the fact that everyone who knows people who hold a math degree appear to be intelligent and competent, even outside their field of study. That's a large part of what any degrees does for you. It proves you're a smart cookie and can learn.
That's real cute you automated something. Good job. Now do some discreet signal processing and frequency analysis to determine which songs have stenographic messages hidden in them. If shifting from the time-domain to the frequency-domain blows your mind, you'd best get back to the math books.
"Can't do this"? Harsh. These people aren't worthless. They just can't figure out calculus or architect 15 different bloody packages all working cross purpose.
I think we need code janitors. The grunts in charge of.... all that worthless shit that gets tossed around in code reviews. And to have the arduous task of pulling in legacy software and just documenting what it currently does. They don't have to write code, they might not even have a need to read it. We need a "tech school" of programming.
And we DO need people to teach highschool physics.
Help desks need workers.
SWQA isn't glorious at all, but it's vital and needed. Mostly paperwork checking, but all those Internet of Things devices could sorely use some more test.
Soooooo much of engineering isn't that hard. It's just crossing t's and dotting i's. If you employed an independent team of minimum wage quality checkers, even if they only caught something a fourth of the time as the high'n'mighty engineers, they'd pay for themselves. ...uh... The world has 1,930,182,352 people with an IQ of below 90 (and more every ~2 seconds). That's the bottom 25%. By definition.
The first month since the announcement of the repeal saw an increase in US average broadband download speeds from roughly 78mbps to about 82mbps.
Alright, so one month goes by. They sure didn't lay down any lines in a month. Unless they pre-planned to turn on some pathways in just such an event. In which case this smells more like political maneuvering than a technological success story.
So what did they do? How did they increase those speeds? If they could simply choose to increase the speeds across the board simply because "NN was stopping them" how exactly did they break NN to increase the speeds?
Inquiring minds want to know.
hmmm, probably every hour worked and every paycheck. I'm not sure if that's "training" or "spotting a trend". But that whole capitalism thing has worked out pretty well for me.
But I CAN save you. At long as you're a citizen in my country. I'm paying to keep you on the dole after all. No worries, you're welcome. We've honestly got plenty.
Gah, what's the point with anonymous crackpots though?
The existing current plumbers? They're not losing their jobs. Neither are all the people currently training to be plumbers. Everyone that employs plumbers will of course complain that there's a lack of plumbers, the same way that the tech companies complain about a lack of tech workers. Which is "we don't like paying them so much".
But yeah, sure, it's good to remind kids that the trades are also a viable career path. Especially if you can't pass calculus.
(Home plumbing has gotten way easier these days now that everything is plastic. Still kind of a bitch, but easier.)
Posted below, but here it is. The common refrain is STEM:
Science: Make sure you get more than a BS. What do you do with a BS in physics? Teach highschool.
Technology: Because politicians are too dumb to distinguish between sysadmins and programmers. This is like.... everything the slahdot crowd does.
Engineering: It's all the other fields, but with more bloody paperwork and an extra $30K.
Math: Practically nobody is employed as an actual mathematician, but holy shit is it useful everywhere else. It's like the Jack-of-all-Trades skill from Traveller but for the job market.
And also business, because with all the disruptive tech, there's opportunity for people to carve out their niche. Mostly likely to be swallowed up by some megacorp, but they get rich in the process and the megacorp (in theory) gets new capabilities.
that everyone could live a comfy life with barely having to work at all.
YES, and compared to the age when fields had to be harvested with a sickle and mines had to be dug with pickaxes and hammer, nearly anyone CAN live a "comfy" life with doing barely any hard labor at all.
BUT, the definition of "comfy" has changed. If you're ok with sleeping on a cobble-stone floor in the common room, some ways from the hearth, then GOOD NEWS! If you demand your own bedroom and wifi and air-conditioning, then you're going to have to work for it.
But if you live in a developed nation, they likely have some sort of welfare program. If you want to live on the bottom rung of society, we'll take care of you. But you have to play nice and jump through some hoops. If you want to live an easy life of luxury, go build your own robots. If you don't know how to do that, or simply don't want to, you're not exactly contributing to society and probably shouldn't be preaching about "leeches".
"AI" (which we don't actually have yet)
Sure, whatever. If your job can be replaced by "NOT REALLY AI", then it's functionally equivalent.
oh, and also, BUSINESS.
With all the disruptive tech, there's plenty of call for people willing to try and carve out their own niche. If you look at the statistics, there's a big call for business degrees.
We can't all be doctors.
Actually, doctors are the exact sort of thing that are probably on the chopping block. Sure, everyone is concerned about truckers and factory workers, as well they ought to be. But AI or expert systems or big-ass if-else chains given a list of symptoms and lab results and patient history can outperform the general practitioners that do the initial diagnostic and refer you to specialists. And there are a TON of GPs out there. A generation of people are going to get bit in the ass when they spend two decades in school only to find out that a computer took their job in the end and they have to retrain to go be a nurse.
AI is going to EAT the white-collar class of people who have boring repetitive jobs.
but this time they're not even saying what I'm supposed to retrain for...
The common refrain is actually STEM:
Science: Make sure you get more than a BS. What do you do with a BS in physics? Teach highschool.
Technology: Because politicians are too dumb to distinguish between sysadmins and programmers. This is like.... all of slashdot.
Engineering: It's all the other fields, but with more bloody paperwork and an extra $30K.
Math: Practically nobody is employed as an actual mathematician, but holy shit is it useful everywhere else. It's like the Jack-of-all-Trades skill from Traveller but for the job market.
How do you train, say, a lorry (truck) driver whose being replaced by AI-powered self-driving lorries?
Same way you train anyone else. You just train/teach them to do something OTHER than driving a truck. They're probably not going to stay in the shipping industry. Same way that all those weavers never found work as weavers after the automated looms took over. "Trucker" as a profession will simply be gone.
The problem is that training and education has diminishing returns on the old. Which is why we send kids to school. Nobody wants to give a 50 years old a scholarship because they'll be dead or looking to retire in a mere 20 years.
1) Teach kids the skills they need for tomarrow.
2) Retrain, teach young adults that are displaced by disruptive technologies.
3) Early retire with a shitty-ass pension the elderly with no other options. It's got to be shitty because we WANT them to go find alternatives. But just throwing them to the curb would be cruel. For us in the USA over here, it'd be something like handing out exceptions that lower the age for Social Security.
4) Don't forget that the government giving away free money to institutions will raise prices. You ALSO have to encourage additional competition in academia and tech schools.
you think of yourself as a happy person.
Now just where did you get that? You appear to be delusional and creating a strawman you can beat up. Please, I know it's hard, but try to stay in reality.
No, I'm quite unhappy with how crufty our genome is. Could be way better.
Do people who are happy toss around obscenties
Fuck yeah I do! Especially when I'm happy. You know, now that I think about it, you've got a weird sort of.... worldview that there's a fundamental happiness scale and people's whole disposition resides on it. People are happy sometimes. People are sad sometimes. It probably averages out to about zero in the long run unless you've got some sort of clinical disorder.
You are clearly a software developer.
SW engineer. I work with expensive shit. But no, you're not psychically seeing into my brain, and no you don't know how I'm thinking here. To presume you know my thoughts better than I do is insulting. There are real tangible and objective measurements for code. Namely, why the fuck do we have impacted wisdom teeth!? Are you seriously defending this? Or Downs Syndrome. Or bone cancer. Or Alzheimers. In what bizarro world is that a good idea?
if you had the chance to re-write your DNA, would you do it?
Fuck yeah! But the kits are like... oh hey, $150!. Awww, but they're way on backorder....
But let me guess, you're also against tattoos and piercings? Is dying your hair too much? I mean, you think people who swear casually are sad. Just... wow.
Instead of choosing to be someone you are not, choose yourself !
Listen, I don't really appreciate you trying to be some sort of.... "life coach" or whatever it is you're trying to do. Kindly fuck off with that nonsense. You started this whole thing off with an insult claiming I don't understand agency, so you're not really running high on reverence or respect and you're going to get the same in return.
Instead of choosing some logically inconsistent skywizard and a collection of fan-fiction written by the kids of a religious cult, choose reality!
He's an ass, but he's got a point. Falling back to threats of violence really isn't helping.
If it happened overnight, sure. Not over the span of centuries, where people can build dikes or simply move. After all, most of that stuff didn't use to be there. And even if "industrial areas" flooded, it would be at most a minor nuisance.
I think he's talking about "industrial areas" like old factories with polluted dirt, that would wash away and into places we don't want it. Nobody but nobody, not even super-fund money, is going to move all the polluted GROUND of all the old factories that would be at risk of flooding. But I have to agree, this would be a nuisance in the big scheme of things. It'd likely kill thousands to millions via cancer and such, but over hundreds of years that's just a nuisance. In 10, it's more severe.
The bigger problem is that we CAN'T simply move things like FORESTS. And now all of California is too damn dry to support the forests they have and they're all on fire. Same is happening to Colorado. We're going to have to live with perpetual "don't even fart in the forest" levels of fire-ban because it's way dryer than the ecosystem is expecting. We also can't simply insta-seed all those hills with the mudslides for the places that get more rainfall. Or the places that used to have forests securing their dirt to the floor. And we can't simply relocate all the flora and fauna that depend on their climate being stable decade to decade. We ARE in the middle of a mass extinction event. And we can't move cities. We just can't. It's too damn expensive. New Orleans has been underwater for years, but it's still "economically viable" to keep building there. If that changed, we'd be looking at a humanitarian crisis. Are you ready for American refugees? And the cost of "preparing" a city for climate change is astounding. Like Hurricanes in NY. They're constant routine affair for Tokyo and Miami. They've built to deal with it. But NY is boned. Likewise if Pheonix simply runs out of water.
Even the IPCC has been unable to make a compelling argument for preventing climate change.
Yep. There are some ludicrously expensive ideas, and some crack-pot ideas, but nothing really viable. The best advice they've got is to shoot ourselves in the foot a little less by restricting CO2 pollution. The thing that is currently driving the bulk of climate change. That'd be oil consumption.
What are you guys even still doing here? This isn't a debate anymore, no one else is watching. I doubt either of you two will change your minds on anything. So really, what's the point of all this?
That amount gets passed on to consumers
Oh you're adorable. What other sort of bedtime fairy-tales do you have in store for us?
It is you who clings to the absurd notion that fossil fuel subsidies somehow keep fossil fuels alive.
You're less adorable when you're shoveling shit I didn't say into my mouth.
No.
Oil and gas subsidies are simply making a few CEO's richer.
We should kill both subsidies.
I for one LIKE technological improvement. And hey, to be completely fair to the oil barons, they found out how to extract it in bulk from oil shale. I didn't see that coming. That's a good thing, overall, as long as all that extra CO2 doesn't disrupt economies or kill us all.
Right now, solar subsidies are hurting innovation.
Oh, the fairy-tales have boogiemen as well.
but we absolutely should have some bar to enfranchisement beyond mere citizenship.
Said the tyrant.
Seriously, every past example of this has been used and abused to just accumulate votes for the people in power choosing who gets to vote. Learn some history. Spot the trend.
I understand the desire. You'd prefer people stop leeching off society and living on the dole. If they get more than 50% of the vote, they'll just vote to increase the dole. It's an unworkable system. But we've been here before. Your idea doesn't work. It's been tried. You need to come up with something better.
In fact, subsidies, like taxes, are usually just passed on to consumers, so subsidies lower both gas prices (insignificantly because they are so small)
Aaaaaaand now he's done a full 180. Now $4.6 Billion/year is "too small" a subsidy to oil and gas companies to have an effect. But apparently all that money "just gets passed on to consumers" so hey I guess they're not that bad at all.
What a fucking crackpot.
So I've got this idea that we've more or less caught up to the cyberpunk genre. It's no longer sci-fi, it's just fiction. Sometimes current events. I'm collecting a pile of Articles that lend weight to that argument. This one is going on the pile.
In the public transit sense. Our rail moves coal. Which has priority over Amtrak.
Good! That's the economically rational, environmentally friendly way of using the rail system.
That'd be a 20 hours drive, passing through 4 countries. ~1200 miles. Even with US prices, that'd be $134 in gas money alone.
In the US, you'd fly.
Yaaaay all that economically rational and environmentally friendly use of jet fuel! From all those.... privileged few who ever have need of flying 1200 miles.... Because that's different than... riding an elitist euro trains... I guess... hmm.
Why wouldn't I agree to abolish a meaningless, insignificant subsidy [to the USA Oil&Gas companies]?
Well let's just focus on our shared goals and common ground shall we? Fuck giving the record-breaking-profit corporations free money.
You know what is also very common on slashdot? Unhappiness.
Careful with all that projection. I mean... you ARE here after all. Whom else would you be talking about?
and a judge is only going to hold the dad liable for that and not what the kid does with it.
...Hold up. You think that.... if a father abuses his kid for years, who then goes out and commits murder because he's a psychological mess from all that abuse, and all that abuse comes to light and the father is facing trial..... you think that a judge won't take THE MURDER into account? Ha. Ok kiddo. Whew boy, you've never dealt with the courts have you?
"The basement" is a euphemism for "hell". Dear god you suck at this whole symbolism thing. Are you some sort of bible literalist? John 10:9, Is Jesus literally a door?
You really don't understand agency. This whole "shared guilt" thing is a crime against justice.
You really don't understand responsibility. Maybe you will when you have kids. And I hope you don't own any guns.
perhaps you don't believe your own depictions.
Oh no, I believe with full conviction that our genome is crufty as all fucking get out. Seriously, have you ever looked at this thing? It has all the hallmarks of machine generated source code. If this was designed, that code-monkey seriously needs some code review.