That's right. All we ever hear from this 'Slashdot' is whining about EULAs and patents. Who needs fairness?
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This is true - in fact, most rebates are not redeemed.
When companies make these offers, they are counting on the fact that most people will not take the time to fill out the forms and mail them out. This is especially true of smaller rebates. The psychology of the lower price tag on the shelf is priceless. By the time you realize a rebate is involved, you already have the product in your hand -- or your 'cart'.
I'm sure this company thinks that if they make it hard enough for you to get your money, you'll simply give up. And with most consumers, they would be right.
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I would, but I like whining about crap. Oh. OK, then.;)
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I would like to point out as delicately as possible that this article is under the "Quake" topic. If you don't care about these games, as you seem to indicate, remove the topic from your profile.
I just came home (today!) with a copy of Quake3 for Linux. I don't really play FirstPersonShooters much, but every now and again it's just what I need. Besides, it came in a really neat tin can that reminded me a bit of Spam.
Maybe parts of the post you responded to and the article went overboard, but I also think they raise valid points.
I get sick and tired of all the people who want to draw social, economic and moral conclusions from a damn movie.
And why, exactly, shouldn't we? The amazing success of this movie indicates something about us. The mere fact that people respond to the story says that we find it compelling -- I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing this plot with other widely known tales and placing them inside the context of the environments from which they were created. There is a truth that stories and tales we find interesting and personally entertaining reflect on us and who we are. In fact, today's mass-media culture in certain ways requires that we define ourselves to others, in part, through our consumption of books, music, clothes, food, or operating systems (ahem).
Maybe some of those Indie artsy-fartsy movies are trying to send a message, but most Holywood blockbusters are only trying to do one thing; make money.
Exactly. I'm not going to try and blame Lucas or "hollywood" or "the man" for things we like and enjoy - I just happen to think that the very fact we have hundereds of posts here discussing some rumor about a minor facet of the movie says something about us.
Maybe it means that we (meaning most people) have an inherent apathy or disregard for the common good and the average citizen, or maybe it means we're all too obsessive about this movie. Either way, it has to mean something.
Finally, I'd like to point out that I posted a response instead of moderating down, and I'd like to thank you for doing the same to the post you responded to. Oh, and no, I didn't spell check, and yes, I should have.
I found Ultima 4's plot and story far more engaging and interesting. It alone is the reason I still have my Apple ][e and mockingboard -- it's a feel you can't get with the emu's.
And I've got to disagree with you. Within the first 5 minutes I think it became pretty clear what was going on. Personally, I found the premise extremely weak, and very transparent. The movie I watched was an endless parade of "Look at this! Aren't we clever writers? Hehe!"
Basing an entire movie on one simple trick is flawed, and insulting. Masterfully done? Please. They're talking about the same subject, but not to each other. You know, I'm actually getting mad (because I have this argument with a good friend all the time), so I'll stop. Now.
Yes, I know, I'm the only one who didn't like it -- I just needed to say something. And yes, Haley was terrific in it -- it still doesn't make it a good movie. Give me American Beauty or Being JM any day - please.
Technology could be used to start a real revolution, but instead we call networked toasters a "revolution" and leave it at that.
If Microsoft made toasters... Every time you bought a loaf of bread, you would have to buy a toaster. You wouldn't have to take the toaster, but you'd still have to pay for it anyway. Toaster '95 would weigh 15000 pounds (hence requiring a reinforced steel countertop), draw enough electricity to power a small city, take up 95% of the space in your kitchen, would claim to be the first toaster that let's you control how light or dark you want your toast to be, and would secretly interrogate your other appliances to find out who made them. Everyone would hate Microsoft toasters, but nonetheless would buy them since most of the good bread only works with their toasters.
If Apple made toasters... It would do everything the Microsoft toaster does, but 5 years earlier. The toast would make a little smiley face at you when it popped up, or else it would get stuck and there would be a little picture of a bomb burned onto it. If they break, these toasters would require a special set of MacToaster Tools to even open up. Worldwide market share would only be 5%, but all the bread in school lunches would be exclusively toasted on the MacToaster.
If IBM made toasters... They would want one big toaster where people bring bread to be submitted for overnight toasting, and would claim a worldwide market for five, maybe six toasters.
If the NSA made toasters... Your toaster would have a secret trap door that only the NSA could access in case they needed to get at your toast for reasons of national security.
Does DEC still make toasters...? They made good toasters in the '70s, didn't they?
If Sony made toasters... Their Sony Toastman, which would be barely larger than the single piece of bread it is meant to toast, can be conveniently attached to your belt.
There were more, but they get worse, and I've already done enough damage here by posting old jokes...
Sounds interesting -- do you happen to remember the title/author/* ?
Years ago, I read a science fiction story about a computer that could predict the future. This computer predicted the birth of a man who had a wrongly formulated scientific theory, but he was absolutely convinced it was correct and charismatic enough to convince other people that it was true. No matter how many disasters were caused by putting the theory into practice he wouldn't give up on it, and eventually a flawed machine based on his theory destroyed the entire universe.
Still, we'll have to see what's actually going on when everything comes out, but I don't see that much of a future for the X-Box.
I think the emphasis should be on the first part of your statement. When Sony first came into the market, there was SERIOUS doubt as to how well it would do. Saturn was coming out months before it, and the Sega name would capture a serious portion of the market, and Nintendo loyalists would forgo the PSX waiting for the obviously technically superior N64.
Then, Sega squandered their lead with an outrageous opening price, not many good games, and generally poor support in advertising and third party game creation. Sony came out at a good price, threw money at effective ads, and had new games flying onto the shelves (cooperation and simple game creation for third parties was key) - all the while pressing the point that their second generation of games would be an order better than the ones we were seeing. And Nintendo suffered delays, negative press about cartridges, and had practically 2 games at launch. "Quality not quanity" wasn't good enough -- there were many more than 2 great games for PSX already.
Of course, I suspect that most people here knew all that, but the point is that the fate of these companies are very likely to change from what we think will happen.
Perhaps more importantly, the console market is a fairly controlled environment when compared to all the uncertainties of PCs. Microsoft will deliver a product that works, squelching all that knee-jerk stuff. If they promote it (mostly) as "X-Box" and not "MS set-top-gaming-plus-this-and-that", they have a fair chance.
After all, I bet MS making mice seemed pretty silly until you tried that intelli-mouse, huh?
All that said, I won't buy one. I've had maybe a dozen gaming systems - but after the N64 (right before I went to college, and had discovered that money was better spent on beer or hard drives), I told myself I was done with consoles. However, I might get a PS2 instead of that Apex DVD player, becuase I'd like a stand-alone DVD. I dunno yet. I'm not in a hurry.
I assume that any winning page/will/ validate to some w3 standard. The contest page is under 5k, and they say it validates.
My entry (which is lookin' pretty good right now, imnsho) will use alt on every image tag, but I won't have too many images at 5k anyway... At 7/5120 of the total entry for every [ alt=""] it will take up a large chunk of space...
The giant squids of Europa are our friends! We can easily co-exist with intelligent sea creatures. After all, most of earth is water. They have no interest in the land we occupy.
I'm worried about the hideous lava-feeding giant worms of Io. The recent volcanic eruptions in the Philippines are beckoning them! There is no doubt that our planet's core could be heated, causing our puny land-crust to melt. They're the ones driving this global warming thing, too. But nobody believes it!
We've heard the squids, but the eerie silence of Io is the true threat. They/want/ us to think they're not there. We must take up arms before they can erupt in anger, and by opposing them, end the revolt before it can begin.
I just got this in the inbox from the folks from the CU admin.
----------------------- MESSAGE SIZE LIMIT Beginning Monday, Mar. 6, 2000, you will be unable to send or receive very large e-mail messages between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday through Friday. During those times, both the Postoffice1 and Postoffice2 mail servers will reject any individual message that is larger than 15 MB (megabyte) in size.
Please note that the message size limit is increased to 100 MB between 6 p.m. and 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, and throughout Saturday and Sunday.
The 15-MB daytime, weekday limit is a permanent change. It is intended to ensure that a very large e-mail message sent by or intended for one user does not adversely affect service for the rest of the community.
Fifteen MB equals 15,360 K (kilobytes). To reach 15 MB in plain text, you'd have to type over 15 million characters, or 6,500 pages in Microsoft Word (12-point Times and 1-inch margins). On average, only 1 percent of e-mail messages handled by the servers exceed this limit.
When a message does exceed the 15-MB size limit, it is almost always because large files have been attached to it. If you never send attached files, it is extremely unlikely that your messages would ever exceed the size limit.
The limit only applies to the size of an individual e-mail message. For example, you could send one 3-MB message to five people. But if you tried to send one 15-MB message to even just one person, your message would be refused.
The limit also affects messages sent to Cornell e-mail accounts from outside the university. For example, if a person from another university tried to send you a message that exceeded the 15-MB limit, the message would be bounced back to the sender and not delivered to you. ----------------------- Well, that's just great... >8(
$80/semester is a fantastic deal for high-speed acccess
That's how I usually look at it (I'm also from Cornell). I think they're changing to dynamic ip's next year, though, which really irks me. I like knowing I can ftp in and host web pages. Now I'll probably have to find work-arounds... uhg.
I suppose by now it is now well known that Tux was actually sent in, and has been working as a spy. It is quite unfortunate (to say the least) that he was captured, but then again, I can't say I'm surprised it happened.
Perhaps the policy of GPL-ing top-secret documents and spy communiqués should be reviewed and revised.
The Time/Warner owned RoadRunner service is less than satisfactory, judging from what's been reaching my ear. And they own the lines; so it's them, or no cable. This is could very well be a good thing for all involved. AOL gets control, and some good cred, while consumers get some form of choice. I'm baffled by it.
"She typed in 'Chocolate Chip Cookies,' hit the search button and immediately there appeared before her eyes a picture of a nude woman."
This sounds a lot to me a lot like an ad. Especially a banner for a health site, or some such thing. This hit me because a search on AOL's front page for 'Chocolate Chip Cookies' returned this for the 20th result. When I visited, the ad that was up at the time (a close-up of a guy's abs) pointed to eHow.com, touting an article on abs. It's a long way to go to make the point, but you know what I'm saying. Just a thought.
Didn't work that way. There were very few available, so you had to fill out a (legnthy) form, and they were choosing people of certain demographics, to support their marketing. I have no idea who they gave them to, and on exactly what basis, but it was NOT easy to get one of these things.
The feature legnth movie, imho should be reserved until after a show dies. A Simpsons movie 'extravaganza' would be a great excuse to bring everyone back together, but it would also dilute a series that's currently ongoing. (don't you think?)
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"Free Software isn't really the problem -- it's Free Software that's actually free software."
At least, that's what I imagine they mean.
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"Stuff is falling from the sky, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
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That's right. All we ever hear from this 'Slashdot' is whining about EULAs and patents. Who needs fairness?
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You don't want that, do you?
This is true - in fact, most rebates are not redeemed.
When companies make these offers, they are counting on the fact that most people will not take the time to fill out the forms and mail them out. This is especially true of smaller rebates. The psychology of the lower price tag on the shelf is priceless. By the time you realize a rebate is involved, you already have the product in your hand -- or your 'cart'.
I'm sure this company thinks that if they make it hard enough for you to get your money, you'll simply give up. And with most consumers, they would be right.
I would, but I like whining about crap. ;)
Oh. OK, then.
I would like to point out as delicately as possible that this article is under the "Quake" topic. If you don't care about these games, as you seem to indicate, remove the topic from your profile.
I just came home (today!) with a copy of Quake3 for Linux. I don't really play FirstPersonShooters much, but every now and again it's just what I need. Besides, it came in a really neat tin can that reminded me a bit of Spam.
(that's how you sell ideas, by the way, by repeating them).
Actually, I hear the best way to sell an idea is to repeat it.
Maybe parts of the post you responded to and the article went overboard, but I also think they raise valid points.
I get sick and tired of all the people who want to draw social, economic and moral conclusions from a damn movie.
And why, exactly, shouldn't we? The amazing success of this movie indicates something about us. The mere fact that people respond to the story says that we find it compelling -- I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing this plot with other widely known tales and placing them inside the context of the environments from which they were created. There is a truth that stories and tales we find interesting and personally entertaining reflect on us and who we are. In fact, today's mass-media culture in certain ways requires that we define ourselves to others, in part, through our consumption of books, music, clothes, food, or operating systems (ahem).
Maybe some of those Indie artsy-fartsy movies are trying to send a message, but most Holywood blockbusters are only trying to do one thing; make money.
Exactly. I'm not going to try and blame Lucas or "hollywood" or "the man" for things we like and enjoy - I just happen to think that the very fact we have hundereds of posts here discussing some rumor about a minor facet of the movie says something about us.
Maybe it means that we (meaning most people) have an inherent apathy or disregard for the common good and the average citizen, or maybe it means we're all too obsessive about this movie. Either way, it has to mean something.
Finally, I'd like to point out that I posted a response instead of moderating down, and I'd like to thank you for doing the same to the post you responded to. Oh, and no, I didn't spell check, and yes, I should have.
A while yet? A while?
We better figure out how to make one pretty soon so that we can that Voyager back home and end the show!
I found Ultima 4's plot and story far more engaging and interesting. It alone is the reason I still have my Apple ][e and mockingboard -- it's a feel you can't get with the emu's.
Oh, I've got to disagree with you.
And I've got to disagree with you. Within the first 5 minutes I think it became pretty clear what was going on. Personally, I found the premise extremely weak, and very transparent. The movie I watched was an endless parade of "Look at this! Aren't we clever writers? Hehe!"
Basing an entire movie on one simple trick is flawed, and insulting. Masterfully done? Please. They're talking about the same subject, but not to each other. You know, I'm actually getting mad (because I have this argument with a good friend all the time), so I'll stop. Now.
Yes, I know, I'm the only one who didn't like it -- I just needed to say something. And yes, Haley was terrific in it -- it still doesn't make it a good movie. Give me American Beauty or Being JM any day - please.
Technology could be used to start a real revolution, but instead we call networked toasters a "revolution" and leave it at that.
If Microsoft made toasters...
Every time you bought a loaf of bread, you would have to buy a toaster. You wouldn't have to take the toaster, but you'd still have to pay for it anyway. Toaster '95 would weigh 15000 pounds (hence requiring a reinforced steel countertop), draw enough electricity to power a small city, take up 95% of the space in your kitchen, would claim to be the first toaster that let's you control how light or dark you want your toast to be, and would secretly interrogate your other appliances to find out who made them. Everyone would hate Microsoft toasters, but nonetheless would buy them since most of the good bread only works with their toasters.
If Apple made toasters...
It would do everything the Microsoft toaster does, but 5 years earlier. The toast would make a little smiley face at you when it popped up, or else it would get stuck and there would be a little picture of a bomb burned onto it. If they break, these toasters would require a special set of MacToaster Tools to even open up. Worldwide market share would only be 5%, but all the bread in school lunches would be exclusively toasted on the MacToaster.
If IBM made toasters...
They would want one big toaster where people bring bread to be submitted for overnight toasting, and would claim a worldwide market for five, maybe six toasters.
If the NSA made toasters...
Your toaster would have a secret trap door that only the NSA could access in case they needed to get at your toast for reasons of national security.
Does DEC still make toasters...?
They made good toasters in the '70s, didn't they?
If Sony made toasters...
Their Sony Toastman, which would be barely larger than the single piece of bread it is meant to toast, can be conveniently attached to your belt.
There were more, but they get worse, and I've already done enough damage here by posting old jokes...
Sounds interesting -- do you happen to remember the title/author/* ?
Years ago, I read a science fiction story about a computer that could predict the future. This computer predicted the birth of a man who had a wrongly formulated scientific theory, but he was absolutely convinced it was correct and charismatic enough to convince other people that it was true. No matter how many disasters were caused by putting the theory into practice he wouldn't give up on it, and eventually a flawed machine based on his theory destroyed the entire universe.
Still, we'll have to see what's actually going on when everything comes out, but I don't see that much of a future for the X-Box.
I think the emphasis should be on the first part of your statement. When Sony first came into the market, there was SERIOUS doubt as to how well it would do. Saturn was coming out months before it, and the Sega name would capture a serious portion of the market, and Nintendo loyalists would forgo the PSX waiting for the obviously technically superior N64.
Then, Sega squandered their lead with an outrageous opening price, not many good games, and generally poor support in advertising and third party game creation. Sony came out at a good price, threw money at effective ads, and had new games flying onto the shelves (cooperation and simple game creation for third parties was key) - all the while pressing the point that their second generation of games would be an order better than the ones we were seeing. And Nintendo suffered delays, negative press about cartridges, and had practically 2 games at launch. "Quality not quanity" wasn't good enough -- there were many more than 2 great games for PSX already.
Of course, I suspect that most people here knew all that, but the point is that the fate of these companies are very likely to change from what we think will happen.
Perhaps more importantly, the console market is a fairly controlled environment when compared to all the uncertainties of PCs. Microsoft will deliver a product that works, squelching all that knee-jerk stuff. If they promote it (mostly) as "X-Box" and not "MS set-top-gaming-plus-this-and-that", they have a fair chance.
After all, I bet MS making mice seemed pretty silly until you tried that intelli-mouse, huh?
All that said, I won't buy one. I've had maybe a dozen gaming systems - but after the N64 (right before I went to college, and had discovered that money was better spent on beer or hard drives), I told myself I was done with consoles. However, I might get a PS2 instead of that Apex DVD player, becuase I'd like a stand-alone DVD. I dunno yet. I'm not in a hurry.
I assume that any winning page /will/ validate to some w3 standard. The contest page is under 5k, and they say it validates.
My entry (which is lookin' pretty good right now, imnsho) will use alt on every image tag, but I won't have too many images at 5k anyway... At 7/5120 of the total entry for every [ alt=""] it will take up a large chunk of space...
Hm. Maybe I don't need alt after all. <g>
The giant squids of Europa are our friends! We can easily co-exist with intelligent sea creatures. After all, most of earth is water. They have no interest in the land we occupy.
/want/ us to think they're not there. We must take up arms before they can erupt in anger, and by opposing them, end the revolt before it can begin.
I'm worried about the hideous lava-feeding giant worms of Io. The recent volcanic eruptions in the Philippines are beckoning them! There is no doubt that our planet's core could be heated, causing our puny land-crust to melt. They're the ones driving this global warming thing, too. But nobody believes it!
We've heard the squids, but the eerie silence of Io is the true threat. They
I just got this in the inbox from the folks from the CU admin.
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MESSAGE SIZE LIMIT Beginning Monday, Mar. 6, 2000, you will be unable to send or receive very large e-mail messages between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday through Friday. During those times, both the Postoffice1 and Postoffice2 mail servers will reject any individual message that is larger than 15 MB (megabyte) in size.
Please note that the message size limit is increased to 100 MB between 6 p.m. and 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, and throughout Saturday and Sunday.
The 15-MB daytime, weekday limit is a permanent change. It is intended to ensure that a very large e-mail message sent by or intended for one user does not adversely affect service for the rest of the community.
Fifteen MB equals 15,360 K (kilobytes). To reach 15 MB in plain text, you'd have to type over 15 million characters, or 6,500 pages in Microsoft Word (12-point Times and 1-inch margins). On average, only 1 percent of e-mail messages handled by the servers exceed this limit.
When a message does exceed the 15-MB size limit, it is almost always because large files have been attached to it. If you never send attached files, it is extremely unlikely that your messages would ever exceed the size limit.
The limit only applies to the size of an individual e-mail message. For example, you could send one 3-MB message to five people. But if you tried to send one 15-MB message to even just one person, your message would be refused.
The limit also affects messages sent to Cornell e-mail accounts from outside the university. For example, if a person from another university tried to send you a message that exceeded the 15-MB limit, the message would be bounced back to the sender and not delivered to you.
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Well, that's just great... >8(
$80/semester is a fantastic deal for high-speed acccess
That's how I usually look at it (I'm also from Cornell). I think they're changing to dynamic ip's next year, though, which really irks me. I like knowing I can ftp in and host web pages. Now I'll probably have to find work-arounds... uhg.
I suppose by now it is now well known that Tux was actually sent in, and has been working as a spy. It is quite unfortunate (to say the least) that he was captured, but then again, I can't say I'm surprised it happened.
Perhaps the policy of GPL-ing top-secret documents and spy communiqués should be reviewed and revised.
The Time/Warner owned RoadRunner service is less than satisfactory, judging from what's been reaching my ear. And they own the lines; so it's them, or no cable. This is could very well be a good thing for all involved. AOL gets control, and some good cred, while consumers get some form of choice. I'm baffled by it.
I don't know if it's all that bad. If a win box goes down, you can walk over to the owner and say, "here - the last 'rescue disk' you'll ever need!"
;)
Oh wait, that was partisan. Guess you were right. Nevermind
"She typed in 'Chocolate Chip Cookies,' hit the search button and immediately there appeared before her eyes a picture of a nude woman."
This sounds a lot to me a lot like an ad. Especially a banner for a health site, or some such thing. This hit me because a search on AOL's front page for 'Chocolate Chip Cookies' returned this for the 20th result. When I visited, the ad that was up at the time (a close-up of a guy's abs) pointed to eHow.com, touting an article on abs. It's a long way to go to make the point, but you know what I'm saying. Just a thought.
Didn't work that way. There were very few available, so you had to fill out a (legnthy) form, and they were choosing people of certain demographics, to support their marketing. I have no idea who they gave them to, and on exactly what basis, but it was NOT easy to get one of these things.
Should I feel badly when I boot into Windows and use this in enemy territory?
The feature legnth movie, imho should be reserved until after a show dies. A Simpsons movie 'extravaganza' would be a great excuse to bring everyone back together, but it would also dilute a series that's currently ongoing. (don't you think?)