I agree with you. What gives YOU the right to choose? If there is no common basis for a view then everyone is right and we should all be allowed to do whatever the hell we want... Atleast this is the logical conclusion that your logic leads to...
Let's play with your logic a bit... There are a signifigant number of rapists and murders in the U.S. Should we change the laws to make those acts legal?
Or perhaps they have other things to worry about. I really hate the elite mentality on slashdot. Do you really want, for example, a Doctor giving a shit about a browers or curing cancer? Or teacher caring how they access the internet or the best ways to educate young people? Perhaps the reason why most "non-technical" people do not care about these technologies is that there is NO COMPELLING REASON for them to! IE gets the job done, end of story... No?
The process sub-group will work with major software vendors and key critical infrastructure customer organizations to encourage and aid vendors in their adoption of the recommended low defect, higher security-oriented practices and processes.
Wouldnt it just be easier to pass laws making software vendors responsible for the bugs that they produce instead of spending our tax money to provide a shelter for insecure code?
I can see the next big M$ lawsuit...
Plaintiff: Their buggy code cost us millions.
M$: But we follow the homeland security software development model.
Judge: So the software must be good. Perhaps the plaintiff was trying to do something illegal?
No feelings of entitlement... I work for everything I receive. And if I eventually have to enter a different line of work, I will, and still earn and provide for my dependents... So relax Mr. High and Mighty...
The situations are not the same. Detroit got competition from separate companies. Today, IT, Finance, HR, etc are being outsourced. In other words, the oursourcing companies are competing with workers, NOT corporations. Its very short sighted and foolish...
Say you outsource development of your key product to India. What stops them from setting up their own company there and being competition with you in this wonderful global market... It would be easy. They have all of your designs, processes, etc... And they can do it cheaper, right?
Just a matter of time before we see this. I'd imagine the first time this happens to a large corporation and it hits shareholder profit is when you see action taken...
Either that or when the first CEO is outsourced... I'd imagine then this problem will magically go away...:-)
My post was not a bitch session. My main question/hope is that the middle class assembles/organizes and takes control of this situation. As it stands right now, the people calling the shots are the ones getting rich off of destroying middle class lives... This is greed driven and wrong.
I dont feel entitled to a living, and I work my ass off for everything that I have...
However, I *DO* pay taxes and expect atleast some sort of protection here... And this in not just limited to outsourcing. Look at gas prices right now, etc etc... The greedy 2% is raping us left and right...
And your idea of same quality with half the price is simply stupid. It makes me think that you have never done any work with these indian companies. The codes looks like it was written by a coked up monkey... The project ALWAYS goes overbudget, and over the timeline, and 8/10 will cost more than originally quoted...
Plus you are then stuck with them for life because they wont sell you the source code... Need a small change to the app? That will cost you! Then you see the prices going up... once they own you...
So now the media thinks we should *thank* them for taking our jobs.:-) Capitalism is great for the top 2% of the country. For the rest of us... Well, we dont have time to think about shit like that, we have to get up, go to work and make other people rich...
When will the middle class realize that the upper 2% is screwing us in the ass daily, and actually do something about it???? We are the *majority* afterall...
Bottom line: The guy PUBLISHED executable exploits. He didnt just go out on his site and say, "You could do so and so..." He DID go out and distributed a working exploit... Nothing educational about that... He should get the maximum penalty. I cannot think of one case where someone found a bug, reported it to the company, posted about it, and got in trouble...
This is unfortunately more of the same crap we have been hearing from the music folks. "Piracy hurt sales!!" I wonder what the next move is?
I do have a few questions though. How the hell can you even measure this? Really. If piracy is illegal, how do you count up the people doing the piracy.
Perhaps game sales are down because like the music the industry, most of the products suck...
Hold it wait, that could never be the reason... It must be something else...
You arent serious... are you? Jesus taught absolute truth. And provided a hard set of rules and teachings to live by... Not percentages. Read the bible instead of relying on those flawed religous institutions to teach you. I'm betting though that you are catholic...
Look at the hard dollars spent by the US outside of it borders... Are you saying that Europe spends more?
Besides, we keep on having to clean up YOUR messes. World War II comes immediatly to mind. Sure Hitler take what you want, just stop there ok? Alright, have a little more, but you are going to stop... right??? Holy shit Hitler, you arent stopping... um... U.S.!! U.S.!! come bail us out of our shit...
Again and again.... It's about time you people learn to take care of your damn selves...
Actually this is a good thing as long as there is an option to speak with the sales associate. I like the idea of "being able" to ask questions... Now if I start to get bugged every 5 seconds... Well, there are alternate shopping alternatives...;-)
I wonder if this is a growing trend. Perhaps one day we will pull up to the hospital and roll out with new parts... I guess this is inline ith our "turn back the odometer" style lines of plastic surgeries...
Something like an autogarage for humans... Wouldnt want to consider myself used though...:-)
Why the hell is it America's problem that India is a poor 3rd world country? The Indian government should take care of their own people and NOT rely on US interests... Just like the US SHOULD be taking care of its people first, and hey, if we have time and resources left, THEN go fix the poorer countries...
Or perhaps the EU could step in and help the US teach other countries how to get out the gutter...???
Lets get the robot unions in place now... After all, non union labor doing construction? I'd imagine the teamsters would have it smashed before it cut out the first window...
You really believe all this trickle spin bullshit? China, Australlia... hell, most of Europe have protectionist stances when it comes to jobs, and seem to be doing fine...
BTW: Is it really better to just dump an industry that you may not be the best at and displace 100's of 1000's of people rather than making your country better at that form of production?
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Now if only SWG could find a cure for SOE...
*duck*
I agree with you. What gives YOU the right to choose? If there is no common basis for a view then everyone is right and we should all be allowed to do whatever the hell we want... Atleast this is the logical conclusion that your logic leads to...
--shirov
Let's play with your logic a bit... There are a signifigant number of rapists and murders in the U.S. Should we change the laws to make those acts legal?
Who defines the modern standards? A minority of people?
Food for thought...
--shirov
You do realize that there are rules/laws in place for a reason, yes?
Have you ever stopped to realize that you are asking for may be wrong? And that the current definitions are an attempt to protect?
Or have you always just focused on just "getting what YOU want?"
shirov
My world view stems from the bible. My grounds for thinking that what you do is wrong comes from a 2000+ year old book that contains the word of GOD.
WHAT IS YOUR BASIS?
shirov
Or perhaps they have other things to worry about. I really hate the elite mentality on slashdot. Do you really want, for example, a Doctor giving a shit about a browers or curing cancer? Or teacher caring how they access the internet or the best ways to educate young people? Perhaps the reason why most "non-technical" people do not care about these technologies is that there is NO COMPELLING REASON for them to! IE gets the job done, end of story... No?
--Ryan
The process sub-group will work with major software vendors and key critical infrastructure customer organizations to encourage and aid vendors in their adoption of the recommended low defect, higher security-oriented practices and processes.
Wouldnt it just be easier to pass laws making software vendors responsible for the bugs that they produce instead of spending our tax money to provide a shelter for insecure code?
I can see the next big M$ lawsuit...
Plaintiff: Their buggy code cost us millions.
M$: But we follow the homeland security software development model.
Judge: So the software must be good. Perhaps the plaintiff was trying to do something illegal?
Plaintiff: Shit... *sigh*
No feelings of entitlement... I work for everything I receive. And if I eventually have to enter a different line of work, I will, and still earn and provide for my dependents... So relax Mr. High and Mighty...
The situations are not the same. Detroit got competition from separate companies. Today, IT, Finance, HR, etc are being outsourced. In other words, the oursourcing companies are competing with workers, NOT corporations. Its very short sighted and foolish...
:-)
Say you outsource development of your key product to India. What stops them from setting up their own company there and being competition with you in this wonderful global market... It would be easy. They have all of your designs, processes, etc... And they can do it cheaper, right?
Just a matter of time before we see this. I'd imagine the first time this happens to a large corporation and it hits shareholder profit is when you see action taken...
Either that or when the first CEO is outsourced... I'd imagine then this problem will magically go away...
--Ryan
My post was not a bitch session. My main question/hope is that the middle class assembles/organizes and takes control of this situation. As it stands right now, the people calling the shots are the ones getting rich off of destroying middle class lives... This is greed driven and wrong.
I dont feel entitled to a living, and I work my ass off for everything that I have...
However, I *DO* pay taxes and expect atleast some sort of protection here... And this in not just limited to outsourcing. Look at gas prices right now, etc etc... The greedy 2% is raping us left and right...
And your idea of same quality with half the price is simply stupid. It makes me think that you have never done any work with these indian companies. The codes looks like it was written by a coked up monkey... The project ALWAYS goes overbudget, and over the timeline, and 8/10 will cost more than originally quoted...
Plus you are then stuck with them for life because they wont sell you the source code... Need a small change to the app? That will cost you! Then you see the prices going up... once they own you...
--Ryan
So now the media thinks we should *thank* them for taking our jobs. :-) Capitalism is great for the top 2% of the country. For the rest of us... Well, we dont have time to think about shit like that, we have to get up, go to work and make other people rich...
When will the middle class realize that the upper 2% is screwing us in the ass daily, and actually do something about it???? We are the *majority* afterall...
--Ryan
What is this need to go public... Send it to the company. Thank them for fixing it and move on...
Oh wait, we all want to be famous...
Bottom line: The guy PUBLISHED executable exploits. He didnt just go out on his site and say, "You could do so and so..." He DID go out and distributed a working exploit... Nothing educational about that... He should get the maximum penalty. I cannot think of one case where someone found a bug, reported it to the company, posted about it, and got in trouble...
--Ryan
That's not even close to true... If I decompile code, and us it elsewhere, I'm not using "my" code. I'm mixing stollen code into my application.
Let me be more specific. In my post, reverse engineered = decompiling.
--Ryan
If you were simply using the software and found exploits through the interface, then I totally agree, this is bullshit...
HOWEVER, if you were digging through reverse engineered proprietary code, and publishing exploits at the code level... well, that is infact illegal...
Good luck either way though...
"I used to have a sig, but a cheese eating surrender monkey ate it..."
--Ryan
This is unfortunately more of the same crap we have been hearing from the music folks. "Piracy hurt sales!!" I wonder what the next move is?
I do have a few questions though. How the hell can you even measure this? Really. If piracy is illegal, how do you count up the people doing the piracy.
Perhaps game sales are down because like the music the industry, most of the products suck...
Hold it wait, that could never be the reason... It must be something else...
Greedy fuckers, the lot of em!
--Ryan
Sounds like a great reason to start playing Tomb Raider again... ;-)
--Ryan
You arent serious... are you? Jesus taught absolute truth. And provided a hard set of rules and teachings to live by... Not percentages. Read the bible instead of relying on those flawed religous institutions to teach you. I'm betting though that you are catholic...
Look at the hard dollars spent by the US outside of it borders... Are you saying that Europe spends more?
Besides, we keep on having to clean up YOUR messes. World War II comes immediatly to mind. Sure Hitler take what you want, just stop there ok? Alright, have a little more, but you are going to stop... right??? Holy shit Hitler, you arent stopping... um... U.S.!! U.S.!! come bail us out of our shit...
Again and again.... It's about time you people learn to take care of your damn selves...
--Ryan
Actually this is a good thing as long as there is an option to speak with the sales associate. I like the idea of "being able" to ask questions... Now if I start to get bugged every 5 seconds... Well, there are alternate shopping alternatives... ;-)
--Ryan
I wonder if this is a growing trend. Perhaps one day we will pull up to the hospital and roll out with new parts... I guess this is inline ith our "turn back the odometer" style lines of plastic surgeries...
:-)
Something like an autogarage for humans... Wouldnt want to consider myself used though...
--Ryan
Proportionally? Weak argument. Compare the dollars, not the % of the government budgets...
Why the hell is it America's problem that India is a poor 3rd world country? The Indian government should take care of their own people and NOT rely on US interests... Just like the US SHOULD be taking care of its people first, and hey, if we have time and resources left, THEN go fix the poorer countries...
Or perhaps the EU could step in and help the US teach other countries how to get out the gutter...???
--Ryan
Lets get the robot unions in place now... After all, non union labor doing construction? I'd imagine the teamsters would have it smashed before it cut out the first window...
Not trolling, just being sarcastic...
--ryan
You really believe all this trickle spin bullshit? China, Australlia... hell, most of Europe have protectionist stances when it comes to jobs, and seem to be doing fine...
BTW: Is it really better to just dump an industry that you may not be the best at and displace 100's of 1000's of people rather than making your country better at that form of production?