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JavaScript is a scripting language. Microsoft's.NET framework includes bindings to one low level languages (C#), one mid level language (VisualBasic), and one scripting language (JavaScript). If you pick up Visual Studio, you get bindings for J# and C++, too. Plus, lots of people are looking forward to F#, a functional language.
The point is that Sun really hasn't endorsed any alternative bindings to the Java platform. They certainly haven't endorsed any dynamically typed "scripting" languages similar to VisualBasic or JavaScript.
Obviously, JavaScript is available for the Java Virtual Machine, as are a huge number of other languages. However, Sun has never really embraced those alternative languages. That's a real shame.
And that's why the parent of the parent poster included Java, C#, and JavaScript in the same post.
which is actually based on shared values and idiology
Certainly you don't actually believe such a thing?
I had assumed that you were from the United States, but now I'm not so sure. In the States before September 11th, 1991, making a statement like that would have instantly branded you in the same category as David Duke and the Aryan Brotherhood. Even today, most rational people still take pause at your warped view of the world.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like you're seriously advocating the elimination of every human being on the planet who isn't fortunate to have been born in a country that shares your "ideology". Good luck with that. Hope it works out the way you imagined.
I'm willing to say that people who try to kill me or my fellow human beings should be killed.
I don't really care which side of an artificial political line a human being was born on. A dead human being is a dead human being. Your brand of nationalism is going to be what kids read about in the history books, if there are any history books after WWIII.
Yes. We only killed Saddam and his family. Really. There were not thousands and thousands and thousands of other human beings wiped off the planet in this war.
I'm glad you've come to the conclusion that it "might be worth the risk." It's awfully damned big of you to be willing to risk other people's lives like that.
Right about what? That with the net loss of less than a hundred thousand human beings from the face of the earth, the Iraqi oil wells could be liberated?
The file I/O in Java has changed *twice* since its introduction. If you're still writing to a file the same way you were 5 years ago, you're doing it *wrong*.
Bike paths are much more dangerous for bicycle riders than roads are.
Never, ever, ever ride your bike on a bike path. It's just asking to get yourself killed. You're much safer in traffic, acting like traffic, obeying the same laws as the rest of traffic.
This is probably one of the few areas I'm qualified to talk about. I am certain that jpeg was NOT dominant in the early 90's on usenet porn groups -- not even close. In the early 90's, perhaps 20% of the usenet porn was jpeg.
During the "coffee pot and fish tank" era of the web (which weren't the early days if you can remember them, but were prehistory if you don't) the web was almost 100% gif, as were FTP sites. I couldn't tell you about Gopher.
No, seriously. I am not aware of anyplace that has a large (say 10,000 or so) installation of centrally managed linux machines on the desktop. Where do you suggest that I start to read about such things?
Yes. Google is a perfect example of a place that Linux shines. Thousands of machines that are so cheap that they throw away the hardware rather than patch the OS.
Unfortunately, Google does more to point out how unmanagable one particular linux installation is, rather than the other way around.
I mean, lets be honest -- Google could probably run on a billion Sega Dreamcasts if there was some way to shove enough RAM into the things. It's NOT an example of a "place where Linux is good", but rather an example of "the Operating System doesn't matter one bit."
Wait, isn't this breaking the law? Why the hell are we encouraging people to break the law?
Wouldn't it simply be better to encourage people to NOT use the Sorensen codec? I mean, it's not as if you die if you don't get to watch The Matrix advertisements, you know?
The Linux admins could configure Windows more quickly than they could configure Linux!
In your original message, you made it very clear that your admins failed to configure Windows for over a week. Are you saying that your Linux admins take over a week to configure a box to run email in an already existing email infrastructure?
If you really have managed to hire such a group of incompent people then I think its time that your boss looks at where the real problems are in your department. Here's a hint -- the Operating System is not the problem.
Please tell us what the Windows server does. Also, please tell us what "connectivity" is, because I have absolutely no idea.
And, for the love of jesus christ above, can you give me even one example of the "basic concepts" that your Linux distribution pretty much applies everywhere?
Please give more information. There have been companys that have taken a huge financial hit from bad software, but I'd be very suprised if Microsoft has made any of that software. I mean, until recently nothing from Microsoft has really been all that expensive, and very little of it was really business critical.
And, lets be really honest -- none of the software Microsoft has recently started selling for building enterprise systems is really all that bad. It's usually not best-of-breed stuff, but it's never been show-stopping-kill-your-business bad, either. The support costs aren't horrible, the prices are cheap, and the stuff works no worse than most software out there.
At least tell us what software from Microsoft failed so badly your company went bankrupt, and give us some of the ballpark costs involved.
If you think that Windows is unique and UNIX/Linux doesn't have comparable tools, it's because you have not worked with a comparable sized UNIX installation.
I am aware of a few large Sun installations. I am not aware of any large Linux installations. Can you give me an example of even one large Linux installation?
Well, I'm positive that the space elevator will not fill the incredibly important "travel a half million miles through space" role that the Shuttle currently fills.
Instead, it will simply lift stuff into space, which according to you isn't what the shuttle is designed to do at all.
So, it's impossible for it to replace the Shuttle.
The half million miles is the useless miles. The purpose of the space shuttle is to get stuff 100 miles up in space for several days. The half million miles it happens to travel to do that just happens to be how the shuttle was designed to fulfill its purpose.
I have absolutely no idea what value "travel a half million miles" has to the space program. If that's their goal, they should just put the astronauts in a Toyota to drive around a test track for a few years. People should also admit how useless a space elevator will be, since it doesn't do any of that "travel a half million miles" stuff, but instead just does useless job of lifting stuff into space.
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JavaScript is a scripting language. Microsoft's .NET framework includes bindings to one low level languages (C#), one mid level language (VisualBasic), and one scripting language (JavaScript). If you pick up Visual Studio, you get bindings for J# and C++, too. Plus, lots of people are looking forward to F#, a functional language.
The point is that Sun really hasn't endorsed any alternative bindings to the Java platform. They certainly haven't endorsed any dynamically typed "scripting" languages similar to VisualBasic or JavaScript.
Obviously, JavaScript is available for the Java Virtual Machine, as are a huge number of other languages. However, Sun has never really embraced those alternative languages. That's a real shame.
And that's why the parent of the parent poster included Java, C#, and JavaScript in the same post.
which is actually based on shared values and idiology
Certainly you don't actually believe such a thing?
I had assumed that you were from the United States, but now I'm not so sure. In the States before September 11th, 1991, making a statement like that would have instantly branded you in the same category as David Duke and the Aryan Brotherhood. Even today, most rational people still take pause at your warped view of the world.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like you're seriously advocating the elimination of every human being on the planet who isn't fortunate to have been born in a country that shares your "ideology". Good luck with that. Hope it works out the way you imagined.
I'm willing to say that people who try to kill me or my fellow human beings should be killed.
I don't really care which side of an artificial political line a human being was born on. A dead human being is a dead human being. Your brand of nationalism is going to be what kids read about in the history books, if there are any history books after WWIII.
I wish fewer human beings had died.
You wish more human beings had died.
Yes. We only killed Saddam and his family. Really. There were not thousands and thousands and thousands of other human beings wiped off the planet in this war.
I'm glad you've come to the conclusion that it "might be worth the risk." It's awfully damned big of you to be willing to risk other people's lives like that.
don't forget the strongest opponents of the Iraq war had the most to lose financially by it
The strongest opponents to the Iraq war are the thousands of human beings who watched their life drain into the ground on the Iraq soil.
But, I'm sure damned glad that you didn't lose too much economically. It would suck if you had to buy the generic peanut butter this month.
Free and open elections have started.
What paper do you read? The Weekly World News?
I believe the Iraqi people are free
You're kidding, right?
The US and Britain were right
Right about what? That with the net loss of less than a hundred thousand human beings from the face of the earth, the Iraqi oil wells could be liberated?
Wow! If I try to call Steve Jobs, I get Bill Gates instead! ROTFLMAO! Kikikiki! LOL LOL LOL LOL! Hee Hee!
God, it IS so damned funny!
The file I/O in Java has changed *twice* since its introduction. If you're still writing to a file the same way you were 5 years ago, you're doing it *wrong*.
have very incremental learning curves being interpreted
Scheme is not interpreted.
Bike paths are much more dangerous for bicycle riders than roads are.
Never, ever, ever ride your bike on a bike path. It's just asking to get yourself killed. You're much safer in traffic, acting like traffic, obeying the same laws as the rest of traffic.
I'm betting the chick he kissed was the only thing that was "real" in the whole universe.
This is probably one of the few areas I'm qualified to talk about. I am certain that jpeg was NOT dominant in the early 90's on usenet porn groups -- not even close. In the early 90's, perhaps 20% of the usenet porn was jpeg.
During the "coffee pot and fish tank" era of the web (which weren't the early days if you can remember them, but were prehistory if you don't) the web was almost 100% gif, as were FTP sites. I couldn't tell you about Gopher.
Moreso .. a linux installation with 20k users ?
Does one exist? Is there an installion with 20K linux desktop users? I think it would be great to hear of such a thing.
No, seriously. I am not aware of anyplace that has a large (say 10,000 or so) installation of centrally managed linux machines on the desktop. Where do you suggest that I start to read about such things?
Yes. Google is a perfect example of a place that Linux shines. Thousands of machines that are so cheap that they throw away the hardware rather than patch the OS.
Unfortunately, Google does more to point out how unmanagable one particular linux installation is, rather than the other way around.
I mean, lets be honest -- Google could probably run on a billion Sega Dreamcasts if there was some way to shove enough RAM into the things. It's NOT an example of a "place where Linux is good", but rather an example of "the Operating System doesn't matter one bit."
Wait, isn't this breaking the law? Why the hell are we encouraging people to break the law?
Wouldn't it simply be better to encourage people to NOT use the Sorensen codec? I mean, it's not as if you die if you don't get to watch The Matrix advertisements, you know?
The Linux admins could configure Windows more quickly than they could configure Linux!
In your original message, you made it very clear that your admins failed to configure Windows for over a week. Are you saying that your Linux admins take over a week to configure a box to run email in an already existing email infrastructure?
If you really have managed to hire such a group of incompent people then I think its time that your boss looks at where the real problems are in your department. Here's a hint -- the Operating System is not the problem.
You have two servers.
Please tell us what the RedHat server does.
Please tell us what the Windows server does. Also, please tell us what "connectivity" is, because I have absolutely no idea.
And, for the love of jesus christ above, can you give me even one example of the "basic concepts" that your Linux distribution pretty much applies everywhere?
Please give more information. There have been companys that have taken a huge financial hit from bad software, but I'd be very suprised if Microsoft has made any of that software. I mean, until recently nothing from Microsoft has really been all that expensive, and very little of it was really business critical.
And, lets be really honest -- none of the software Microsoft has recently started selling for building enterprise systems is really all that bad. It's usually not best-of-breed stuff, but it's never been show-stopping-kill-your-business bad, either. The support costs aren't horrible, the prices are cheap, and the stuff works no worse than most software out there.
At least tell us what software from Microsoft failed so badly your company went bankrupt, and give us some of the ballpark costs involved.
If you think that Windows is unique and UNIX/Linux doesn't have comparable tools, it's because you have not worked with a comparable sized UNIX installation.
I am aware of a few large Sun installations. I am not aware of any large Linux installations. Can you give me an example of even one large Linux installation?
I'll rather have a man with an IQ of 129 that has excellent intrapersonal/leadership skills
I would appreciate that also. Any idea when such a person could be convinced to run for office?
Well, I'm positive that the space elevator will not fill the incredibly important "travel a half million miles through space" role that the Shuttle currently fills.
Instead, it will simply lift stuff into space, which according to you isn't what the shuttle is designed to do at all.
So, it's impossible for it to replace the Shuttle.
So, you're arguing against the space elevator?
The half million miles is the useless miles. The purpose of the space shuttle is to get stuff 100 miles up in space for several days. The half million miles it happens to travel to do that just happens to be how the shuttle was designed to fulfill its purpose.
I have absolutely no idea what value "travel a half million miles" has to the space program. If that's their goal, they should just put the astronauts in a Toyota to drive around a test track for a few years. People should also admit how useless a space elevator will be, since it doesn't do any of that "travel a half million miles" stuff, but instead just does useless job of lifting stuff into space.