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Call the Apple Store and Get Bill and Melinda Gates

oosid writes "The area code in Seattle is (206). Right across Lake Washington in Bellevue the area code is (425). If you're trying to reach the new Apple Store in Bellevue from Seattle, don't forget to dial the area code or you'll find yourself talking to the reception desk at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The 7 digit number, coincidentally, is the same for both places. If you make the mistake I'm sure that the Foundation will be able to suggest some solutions to all of your Apple problems."

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  1. Is there a number I'm missing? by GreenHell · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the Gates Foundation contact info page:

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
    PO Box 23350
    Seattle, WA 98102
    Phone: (206) 709-3140
    For general questions or grant inquiries, please contact the foundation via email, info@gatesfoundation.org

    From the Apple Store page:

    106 Bellevue Square
    Bellevue, WA 98004
    425-709-3100

    Someone please tell me, am I missing something here?

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    1. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by squant0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Most businesses have more than one phone number, and they are usually close together, so it is fairly likely that the apple store will have more than just the one 3100 number, and the Gates foundation lists a few numbers on their contact page.

      Thus it isn't that hard to believe that the two businesses would have the same last 4 digits.

    2. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by jeffy124 · · Score: 1

      two ideas:

      1) The Gates Foundation owns a chunk of phone numbers ending in 3xxx (look at the other numbers on that page), or something along those lines.

      2) A Slashdot editor HBT.

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    3. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by GreenHell · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I checked the other numbers on their contact page, but none of them match up, the closest being "(206) 709-3400."

      While I wouldn't find it surprising for them to own the numbers in that block it's hardly the 'front desk' as the article implies when it's not the number of the front desk.

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    4. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by GreenHell · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right, I was wrong.

      The contact info isn't anywhere on the Gates Foundation page, but according to this page (206) 709-3100 is in fact a number for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

      Mods, feel free to mod my previous post down.

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    5. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by TheGreek · · Score: 1

      If you have multiple PSTN trunks for inbound calls, they typically all ring to the same thing (i.e., reception, or an auto-attendant).

    6. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by DansnBear · · Score: 5, Funny

      When Apple's support # used to be 1-800-SOS-APPL, People would frequentlu mis-dial using a zero instead of the letter O in the SOS part.. This would lead to being connected to "The nations hotest gay male phone sex" I know because my mom made this mistake once when her Performa wouldnt boot once.

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    7. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by Arandir · · Score: 1

      The phone sex line is still there. A macfan told me this a couple of weeks ago and I didn't believe him. So he showed me. It wasn't a gay sex line, but it was still a pay-to-listen-to-dirty-talk line. One reason why that support number has changed.

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    8. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by grue23 · · Score: 1

      It's kind of funny when people speculate about and verify phone numbers by looking them up on websites instead of just dialing them. ;)

    9. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by dacarr · · Score: 1

      Not a terribly common problem. My employer maintains an 800 number that is ludicrously close to wireless provider TMobile's phone number. Apparently, this is an editorial issue.

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    10. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by ehintz · · Score: 1

      I was one of the monkeys that awnser sos-appl, it was not at all uncommon to get folks who were either sheepish or indignant about that other s0s appl. Never did understand why they felt it was Apple's fault that somebody ran porn on the other line.

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    11. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
      While I wouldn't find it surprising for them to own the numbers in that block it's hardly the 'front desk' as the article implies when it's not the number of the front desk.

      My guess is that they own a group of numbers in a block and 3140 isn't currently assigned to anybody. As a result it rings through, and ends up getting picked up. by the front desk.

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    12. Re:Is there a number I'm missing? by Zathras11 · · Score: 1

      Uhm, right, your mom...

  2. This is a front page story ... by recursiv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was a coincidence involving a phone number for an Apple store and some foundation involving Bill Gates, the name most associated with Microsoft, Slashdot's favorite target to blame for the ills of the world.

    What's the discussion? Does this matter? To anyone? At all?

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    1. Re:This is a front page story ... by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      Do you not see the irony of this? This is FUNNY! A coincidence. And very ironic a coincidence at that.

    2. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your slashdot subscription dollars at work! Thanks slashdot editors!

    3. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a coincidence involving a phone number for an Apple store and some foundation involving Bill Gates

      Are you telling me that, given Williams previous business strategies with Apple, you might not laugh if this had happened to you? I don't even mean Microsoft, I really mean Bill. After all, corporations can't be "evil". I don't believe in "evil" myself, but according to most people only those with free will could act in such a way.

      the name most associated with Microsoft

      As opposed to... Maybe my geek history is wrong, but isn't he the Founder/Big Wig/largest stock holder?

      slashdot's favorite target to blame for the ills of the world.

      Thats not true the RIAA and DMCA are importaint too. And don't forget those people who like to restrict the flow of information. Wink wink.

      What's the discussion?

      That we have to question everything that these people do, because they are not trust worthy.

      Does this matter?

      Trust? Um, I guess not.

      To anyone?

      Does /. have bots searching for news? No? Gee, then maybe someone though it was importaint.

    4. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "its funny...laugh"

    5. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exactly what "irony" do you see here? The coincidence is obvious, if slight. (This is not, after all, a similar phone number to Microsoft, but rather to an entirely different entity.) Even given that, though, it certainly fails any test of irony of which I'm aware.


      elo

    6. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, No Fucking Sense of Humour

    7. Re:This is a front page story ... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      And very ironic a coincidence at that.

      The consequence of making a mistake is that you end up with with something from Microsoft. Where's the irony in that?

    8. Re:This is a front page story ... by oosid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just kind of funny. I was calling to find out about a product at the Apple Store and I get the Gates Foundation. I thought that I'd share the humor. I actually know lot's of people at the Foundation, and happen to also use a powerbook as my personal machine. It's a great organization that does lot's of good. Nothing political, just funny. Not every post needs to change the world.

      Oh yeah. I posted the original message.

      oosid

    9. Re:This is a front page story ... by Graff · · Score: 1

      Dunno why you have it on the front page but it's not a front page to me both when I was not logged in and when I was logged in. Isn't there some sort of setting that moves stuff to the front page if it is checked? Maybe you have that turned on.

      This was posted in the Apple section, which it is appropriate for. It's funny that the two numbers are the same, even though it's not major news or anything. So it does matter to me, I got a laugh out of it.

    10. Re:This is a front page story ... by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I'm curious and didn't see anything in the malaria story above, I know the foundation has been active in seeking a treatment for malaria, were they associated with the discovery?

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    11. Re:This is a front page story ... by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      The coincidence is that the phone numbers both refer to businesses related in some way. The irony is that the phone numbers lead to competitors (in a sense).

    12. Re:This is a front page story ... by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      One definition of irony is "something which is not what it seems" or "the opposite of what would be expected". You expect to phone Apple and you get an organization owned by a direct competitor. Not ironic? According to english class in high school it sure is.

    13. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that you've demonstrated your mastery of "irony" you can focus your studies on "joke."

    14. Re:This is a front page story ... by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      What's the point? There is no joke.

    15. Re:This is a front page story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What's the point? There is no joke," he said, thus proving the point.

    16. Re:This is a front page story ... by grue23 · · Score: 1

      I think the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation preemptively got the phone number because they knew that the Apple Store would be getting the same one in a different AC.

    17. Re:This is a front page story ... by ldzpn23 · · Score: 1

      i agree...sneaky sneaky

  3. Please don't harass the Gates Foundation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because it's funded by Bill G doesn't mean that the people working there deserve to get a phone call from you inquiring about Apple products.

    They're a charitable organisation for crying out loud. It's not much different from harassing the local hospital - the less time and money they waste, the better.

    1. Re:Please don't harass the Gates Foundation. by tbone1 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Just because it's funded by Bill G doesn't mean that the people working there deserve to get a phone call from you inquiring about Apple products.

      When you dance with the devil, you takes yer chances.

      They're a charitable organisation for crying out loud.

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    2. Re:Please don't harass the Gates Foundation. by NetCurl · · Score: 1

      Was anyone suggesting prank calling? I think the article was just pointing out a funny coincidence, and that is all. We know it is a charitable org. and it does good the world over...

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  4. begs the question by sydlexic · · Score: 1

    why isn't this under slashback? i'm struggling to imagine this as a flourishing and insightful topic.

  5. OT: On A Side Note by MBCook · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember hearing recently that about 470k votes didn't get counted for American Idol because if you dialed a number wrong your phone would ring up some poor little church. Watch those phone numbers people.

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    1. Re:OT: On A Side Note by n9hmg · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You actually know something about that show? You're so gay.

    2. Re:OT: On A Side Note by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Is that some new meaning of the word gay that I wasn't previously aware of?

      PS Using gay as an insult makes you sound like a three year old.

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    3. Re:OT: On A Side Note by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      Maybe that was God f*cking with 470k stupid morons.

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  6. Give to both by rumpledstiltskin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're trying to reach the apple store and get the Gates foundation, great. while you're out buying the music you'd otherwise probably be pirating, go ahead and contribute to the Gates Foundation. Even though Microsoft is often seen as the Great Satan here on slashdot, they are one of the most giving charitable organizations in the world. Support a good cause. buy some music, fight aids.

    1. Re:Give to both by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Even though Microsoft is often seen as the Great Satan here on slashdot, they are one of the most giving charitable organizations in the world.
      I decided to give 0.001% of my net worth to charity once, but they didn't accept pennies.

      It literally isn't costing Bill anything to buy your admiration here. So he goes out back and shovels a load of thousand dollar bills into a wheelbarrow and gives them to charity in a box with his return address on it. Call me when he gives until it at least itches, ok.

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    2. Re:Give to both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Would you just give the guy a fucking break. He gives away money to people who need it. Who cares if it's 0.001% of his net worth, when you're talking billions of dollars it is a lot of money.

      Just because you're a failure and can't do what he's doing, you don't have to put him down or question his motives.

  7. Bill? by bellings · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow! If I try to call Steve Jobs, I get Bill Gates instead! ROTFLMAO! Kikikiki! LOL LOL LOL LOL! Hee Hee!

    God, it IS so damned funny!

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  8. My Conversation by CTalkobt · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Hi, I'd like to speak to Steve"

    "We don't have anyone working here"

    *laughs* "Sure you do, it's _the_ Steve that I need to talk to."

    "Nope. Sorry. Can I be of any assistance?"

    "Yeah, tell him that the apple machine I got didn't work"

    "Uh, this is the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation."

    "That's nice but I really need to speak to Bill. I guess next time I call you'll answer Pizza Hut right?"

    "No sir. This is a charitable organization."

    "Stop screwing around - I need to tell Steve that my computer messed up."

    --click--

    Apple is so rude...

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    1. Re:My Conversation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Can I assume that this is another one of those conversations with your imaginary friend, or did you actually pay money for a long-distance call to try to harass a charitable organization?

  9. That's not fair. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It literally isn't costing Bill anything to buy your admiration here. So he goes out back and shovels a load of thousand dollar bills into a wheelbarrow and gives them to charity in a box with his return address on it. Call me when he gives until it at least itches, ok.

    Just... hold on a second. Listen, I used to think exactly that same way, and there's obvious tax advantages, etc. in what Gates does with his charity work.

    Having said that, did you happen to catch the recent Salon article about the Gates Foundation? The man is planning to give away 98% of his wealth. Just ponder that a moment.

    You can yell about Microsoft's business practices all you want - and I'll agree with practically every nasty thing spoken about them - but Bill is a different story. When I read about Bill Gates, I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say about technology, but he is a man who has clearly understood that his position in the world is unique. He speaks quite a bit about poverty in the 3rd world and particularly about hunger and disease control. He is probably already the single biggest money donator in history in terms of pure monetary value.

    Now, as I understand it, the physical limit of wealth is somewhere around a hundred million dollars. That's literally the breaking point where, short of creating orbiting death platforms or underwater citites, you cannot spend more money and see a difference in your lifestyle. Perhaps Bill recognizes this and has decided to put the rest in places where its needed most. Perhaps, this merits a little better mention than "call me when he gives until it at least itches". I hate sounding so preachy, I'm sorry about that, but it bears mentioning. Look into the Gates Foundation, you'd be really surprised. I was.

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    1. Re:That's not fair. by msouth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just to fill in where you speculate on his motive:

      I heard Warren Buffet talking one time and he said that he and Bill agreed on the fact that leaving all that money to your kids was a Bad Idea. I don't know if they pointed at the Kennedys specifically, but I remember it that way :). Anyway, the theory was, "leave enough to your kids so that they can do anything, but not so much that they can do nothing.". Buffet said that his kids didn't agree with his theory.

      Gates really is planning on giving that money away. I used to believe many bad things about Bill Gates. I certainly saw how bad things were happening as the result of MS dominance. Then I read some very interesting stuff and changed my mind about him as a person.

      First, there is that conversation where he is arguing that windows 98 wasn't just a "bugfix release". He says that's a stupid reason to do a realease, that people wouldn't pay for it, they only pay for features. Then the interviewer says something about all the bugs in '95, or in MS software in general, and Gates bristles and say "did you ever here of user error?"--suggesting that there were not bugs, but just people incorrectly using the software and thinking that there are bugs as a result.

      That's point 1. Point 2 is something that a Mac advocate (I'll call him Bob, no idea what his real name was) said about a conversation with an MS sales person. Bob's company was going to all-Windows because it solved compatibility issues, eliminating Bob's beloved Macs. Bob mentioned this to the MS sales rep. The rep went ballistic. "Who's telling them that? We're not telling them that!" and I think there was also an assertion that Windows is extremely compatible with other platforms--I could be misremembering that part, but I know that the MS sales person was very peeved at the idea. The point of the article or website was that this Mac advocate had shifted the point of blame in his mind from "MS conspiracy" to "bone-headed tech managers".

      Point 3. The anti-trust case. There was a Wired article called "The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth", about the anti-trust trial, by a guy who had a lot of access on the condition that he released none of it until after the judge's ruling was out.

      In this article, there are a couple of interesting things. One is that he talks to some random engineer in MS's cafeteria, who says "I think everyone's just mad at Bill because he has so much money." But far, far more interesting than that is the fact that, after the legal process gets started and Gates meets with the board, he actually seems to be genuinely in disbelief that it is happening.

      I know, I know, he could fake that. Would he fake crying? I don't think so, but that's exactly what he did. I think it might be in the same article that he says something along the lines that the other players just aren't trying hard enough--"If I had AOL's position, or IBM's position, [maybe he names another in here, etc]" that he could knock MS off the top. He really (I think) believed that--that IBM or AOL or maybe even Sun could beat them.

      Now, _we_, on the outside, look at that as being ridiculous. But have you ever seen how other people behave around a person with a lot of power? They generally either fear them or fawn over them or fawn over them in fear. That was why I put in the story about the engineer in the cafeteria. Gates was undoubtedly surrounded by people who would do anything to prevent him from knowing about a bug that their department had introduced, etc, etc.

      Now, I'm not saying that MS never did anything wrong. But I am saying that, (a) a lot of the fault for the total dominance of MS lies in the way people behaved, like deciding to eliminate all Macs even though the same number of PCs took two to five times as many people to look after them, etc. And (b), even if Bill did engage in and/or sanction things that were illegal given the monopoly, I don't think he ever really believed that he was i

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    2. Re:That's not fair. by GlassHeart · · Score: 4, Insightful
      someone that powerful is going to be surrounded by people who reinforce whatever he believes. It is very hard for someone in power to get honest feedback from anyone.

      That's still his fault. If he can't manage to surround himself with honest people who will not be afraid to contradict him, then he needs to take full responsibility for it. We're not talking about people falsely complimenting his golf game. We're talking about potentially illegal business deals here!

      This is not to say Bill Gates is a bad person. When somebody donates billions to charity, I would rather not second guess his motives. However, to extrapolate that into believing that he's not responsible for his company's dealings is just silly.

    3. Re:That's not fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Keep in mind that this is the business man whose sliding scale pricing practices on the original version of DOS caused it to become the de facto operating system for all computers sold in America--a pricing system that was later declared anti-competitive and illegal.

      Bill Gates is a shrewd businessman, and he knew what he was doing all along. He was just better at it than anybody else.

    4. Re:That's not fair. by naelurec · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well lets see .. He gives away 98% of his wealth .. currently worth around $45 billion ... that leaves around $900 million..

      First off .. man .. if I could say 2% of my wealth was almost $1 billion .. that would be sweeeet.

      But second, it truly is a situation of "what am I *REALLY* going to do with 44 billion dollars?" -- With that 900 million or so .. even if he didn't earn a penny off of it for the rest of his life (lets say 55 more years), he could spend $16 million a year, each year -- about $44k per day.

      I dunno .. even if I was living on a grand scale, I think I'd find it hard to spend $44k a day, each day. Granted, I know for a fact that this is absolutely not going to be the case ($900 million .. do some poor investing, make 7% or so .. generate ~44 million per year after capital gains..) -- $120k per day.

      So whats the motivation? It seems pretty simple to me. There are the three motivators --> wealth, power and prestige.

      He has been pretty successful with the first two -- wealthiest man in the world and a significant amount of power .. but what about prestige?

      I'd have to argue that outside of perhaps the Microsoft fan-boys (shareholders, MCSEs, MS employees, etc..) there is not a lot of prestige. People seem to dislike Gates for his money and power. People poopoo the products, security issues, etc..etc.. (not that I am saying this isn't justified)

      So what would someone that already has proven himself to have power & wealth really want? Prestige. Prestige to the likes of Andrew Carnegie (who seems to be perhaps a role model for Gates) who went beyond the steel industry and was able to achieve to a high degree the 3 goals of wealth, power and prestige.

      From what I have read about the Gates Foundation, it truly does seem to be a noble cause that is not some type of marketing scheme (now Microsoft's own personal persuits of umm.. charity leave much to be desired..) I'll be interested to see where the Gates foundation is in 10 to 15 years from now. Given Gate's current selling pattern of Microsoft stock over the next 8 or so years, I'd expect to see a LOT of his wealth go toward the foundation, assuming of course, he is truly motivated to do what he claims. :)

    5. Re:That's not fair. by eet23 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Then the interviewer says something about all the bugs in '95, or in MS software in general, and Gates bristles and say "did you ever here of user error?"--suggesting that there were not bugs, but just people incorrectly using the software and thinking that there are bugs as a result.
      Gates blames the users for Windows 95, and that made you think he was a nice person? It gives me the exact opposite impression.
    6. Re:That's not fair. by mbbac · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Now, _we_, on the outside, look at that as being ridiculous. But have you ever seen how other people behave around a person with a lot of power? They generally either fear them or fawn over them or fawn over them in fear. That was why I put in the story about the engineer in the cafeteria. Gates was undoubtedly surrounded by people who would do anything to prevent him from knowing about a bug that their department had introduced, etc, etc.
      Do you think Bill Gates is using a Macintosh for all of his work at Microsoft? No, he's not. He eats his own dogfood. He knows about all of the bugs and crashes. When I worked for MS, I remember hearing about a meeting with Billg and all of his product managers. The Windows product manager was telling Bill that Windows really doesn't crash as much as people say it does. Bill said that was bullshit and that it crashes on him about three times a day and ususually when Outlook was running. Obviously, this wasn't a good day for the Outlook PM.

      Anyway, my point is that he knew about the bugs, crashes, vulnerabilities but he never did anything about them! It took way too many years before he started their "trustworthy computing" initiative to address the vulnerabilities in Windows, and the motivation behind that is questionable. I think it has more to do with providing a good environment for digital restrictions management than for eliminating vulnerabilities.
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    7. Re:That's not fair. by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      And if you want to be cynical about it...

      Microsoft could just be a platform for taking money from stupid rich bourgeois Americans, and funnelling 98% of it into charity to the third world. If that is in fact the case, then this man has to, ironically, be my hero. It's mandatory charity. :)

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    8. Re:That's not fair. by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Funny
      Now, as I understand it, the physical limit of wealth is somewhere around a hundred million dollars. That's literally the breaking point where, short of creating orbiting death platforms or underwater citites, you cannot spend more money and see a difference in your lifestyle.

      I beg to differ.

      Once I hit the $200,000,000 mark, I was able to replace my legions of minimum-wage henchmen with properly-trained death merchants who could actually shoot and hit targets, and who don't stand in a big circle around the hero attacking him one at a time. I can't tell you how much that has improved my quality (and duration) of life.

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    9. Re:That's not fair. by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Gates blames the users for Windows 95, and that made you think he was a nice person? It gives me the exact opposite impression.

      When I read that interview several years ago I had the same opinion as you. What a dirty filthy shyster! Then I started doing commercial software development, and realized he was correct. People do not pay for bug fixes, only features. My current project has a ton of outstanding bugs that will never get fixed until a major customer complains about them, because fixing bugs does not bring in revenue.

      He is also correct that many of the bugs in Windows, perhaps most of them, are indeed user errors. It certainly has real bugs of a serious nature, but I've seen enough Windows users screw up their software all on their own. The root of the problem is that computers are too complex for the untrained to use reliably. In my own project with *trained* users I estimate that about 10% of the bugs are still user errors.

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    10. Re:That's not fair. by Arandir · · Score: 1

      He really (I think) believed that--that IBM or AOL or maybe even Sun could beat them.

      He was, and still is, correct. IBM and AOL/TW are so much larger than Microsoft it isn't funny. OS/2 could have knocked Windows off its throne if only IBM had gotten their act together. They had the resources to make it easy to install and to work with all the prevalent hardware. And Sun still dominates over Microsoft in its respective niche.

      What makes Microsoft different is that it focuses almost exclusively on its software. Sun is into hardware, IBM is into services, AOL is into media. In the '80s and '90s only Microsoft devoted itself to software. They didn't start branching out until after they had aquired the monopoly.

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    11. Re:That's not fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. As much as I hate Microsoft the company, Gates the man isn't THAT bad. Pretty bad, perhaps, for allowing his company to act the way it does, but as I understand things the real great satan is Ballmer. He's the one who goes out to kill niche competitors for the pure joy of it. I'm sure you've all seen the movie of him jumping around like an ape that's floating around the net. He actually is psychotic.

      The Gates Foundation does do good stuff. For all that it's easy to give when you've got lots of money, it's also easy NOT to give. I'm in law school, considering a choice between a $150,000 job with a big fancy firm and a $40,000 job with a non-profit org. I had the idea of taking the firm job and using $40,000 of my salary to fund someone else working in the public interest. Seems like the best of both worlds, but when I proposed the idea to my friends (all great generous people) they laughed at me.

      Point is, when someone donates money, no matter who and how much, respect them at least a little bit for bothering to do it.

  10. Finally.... by astrodawg · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... something that Bill Gates did first!

    1. Re:Finally.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!

  11. BS. I'll believe it when I see it. by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    I too am going to give away 98% of my wealth. Oh wait actually I'm going to give away 100% when I die. That's what a freaking will is!

    If he wanted to truly make a difference he would create companies to do research and open their findings to everyone (a la free patents). Think of what good a free pharmacutical company could do for the world? How about fuel efficient engines that could bring inexpensive power to the 3rd world? Or any number of other things.

    Everyone gives away their money when they die. I give mine while I'm alive. 1/400000th of your wealth doesn't mean crap to me. That is like an average millionaire giving $25. Really would you feel giving 25 dollar away if you had 1 million dollars in your bank account. Doubtful.

  12. Slash-Phoned? by nilspace · · Score: 5, Funny

    So is it possible to get slash-phoned? I imagine that's what's happening to the foundation right about now...

    1. Re:Slash-Phoned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you are the bunch of assholes I think you are.

    2. Re:Slash-Phoned? by micq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nah, for the same reason your too lazy to call and see if it's slash-phoned, others are too lazy to call and slash-phone.

  13. Go to /. and Get a Stupid Story by derubergeek · · Score: 1, Funny

    This just in. If you intended to get to Stuff that Matters but you accidentally typed slashdot.org into your browser, you'll end up at a site with nothing better to post but inane stories about how to dial an area code.

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  14. Coincidences like this... by davesag · · Score: 4, Funny

    Coincidences like this are just a copy and paste error in the matrix.

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  15. In other words... by and+by · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...you can call either number and reach a result of the generosity of Bill Gates.

    That is, if you believe that Apple couldn't have made it without the IE/Office deal of several years back.

  16. They let you buy anything by York+the+Mysterious · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry to break it to you, but the B&M Gates Foundation will let you buy any hardware / software you want. They're really not interested in MS at all. I went to a school that received a nice large grant from them and all the Mac heads (me included) were worried when the grant went through that our G4s were gonna disappear. We ended up getting 4 more. (We had 250 PCs and 3 Macs. 4 more was a big deal). Right now I'm typing this on G4 that was purchased using my paycheck from this school (summer work) that was funded by billy boy. So if you think about it my G4 was bought using money from the profits of Windows. Kinda funny.

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    1. Re:They let you buy anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget they gave millions to Maine to buy ibooks

    2. Re:They let you buy anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't interrupt Microsoft-bashing with facts.

    3. Re:They let you buy anything by Mickw · · Score: 1

      A lot of non-public funding for the Maine Learning Technology Initiative (invoving iBooks for every 7th & 8th grade student in the State) was funded by the Gates Foundation.

      On the other hand, if the foundation engages in that practice of giving away free MS software, I would find that to be a huge conflict and a contradiction.

  17. a funnier apple phone number coincidence by dpurnell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, the "call Steve, get Bill instead" thing is okay I guess but here's a better one:

    1-800-SOS-APPL (apple assistance center)
    1-800-S0S-APPL (a different kind of assistance center)

    note that the second Save Our Ship contains a Zero, not an Oh.

  18. Bad TRIPS at the WTO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In July 2002, the New York Times reported that George W. Bush had saved Africa. That bighearted lug proposed giving African and Caribbean nations half a billion dollars for AIDS drugs. Combine this with Bill Clinton?s deal with the pharmaceutical companies to practically give away their AIDS drugs to Africa at 75 percent off their list price and I was ready to concede that private enterprise without regulations could, at times, perform miracles.

    But just when I was ready to announce Christmas in July, I came in to possession of a twelve-page document from Argentina. It appears to have originated in the Office of the United States Trade representative in Geneva (which does not deny the document?s authenticity). The confidential official missive, dated June 2000, threatens Argentina against opening its borders to the drug trade ? not the fun stuff, but sales of legal, licensed medicines. If Argentina did not end its commitment to free cross-border trade in pharmaceuticals, wrote the U.S. trade rep, America would keep Argentina on the ?Section 301 Watch List? ? a kind of death row fro trading partners.

    There?s more to the World Trade Organization than GATS and combat over water ownership. The WTO treaty most pertinent here is the psychedelically named TRIPS: Trade-Related Intellectual Property Rights.

    If you read the gospels of globalization apostles, you might get the impression that the WTO is all about doing away with tariffs and trade barriers. Only in your dreams. In the real world, the WTO is the mechanism for privatizing the tariff system. Once, countries protected their workers and local industry behind taxes and national borders. In the new world trade order, global corporations may demand levies against nations that sell or buy products outside the zones they have marked out by brand names and market segments. TRIPS is the WTO?s penal system for countries caught importing or exporting in contravention of marketing plans of corporations that own ideas.

    The story of TRIPS, Africa and Argentina begins with this unfun fact: 25.3 million people in Southern Africa are going to die of AIDS unless medicine arrives now. Luckily, Brazil, India and, most aggressively, Argentina can make the necessary drugs dirt cheap and ship them to the dying. But U.S., British and Swiss pharmaceuticals giants howled about the proposed cross-border shipments.

    During the Clinton administration, the U.S. trade cops, led by then-Vice President Al Gore and backed by Big Pharma, halted the life saving plan of selling cheap Argentine drugs to South Africans ? Nelson Mandela?s pleas, Nobel Prize and flowered shirts notwithstanding.

    Unfortunately for Gore, who was running for president at the time, the let-them-eat-aspirin policies he was advocating resulted in packs of enraged Gay-mericans protesting his every campaign stop, hollering about his killing more Africans than Michael Caine did in Zulu. This did not make good TV for Al.
    In response President Bill found a few billion to quell the restless natives. However, the billions came with strings attached ? or, more accurately, chains and manacles. South Africa had to buy 100 percent of the medicine from the United States and pay back all the cash at ?commercial interest rates.?

    On the supply side of this scheme to stop South Africa breaking the de facto embargo on free trade in pharmaceuticals was the U.S. trade rep?s poison pen letter to Argentina. South Africa hoped to use a loophole in TRIPS that permits the importing of patent drugs in extreme emergencies, even without the patent holder?s approval. Initially, Clinton retaliated against South Africa by taxing some of its imports to the U.S. ? until the anti-Gore demos. The U.S. trade rep?s threat against Argentina indicates that the Clinton administration re-aimed the sanction missiles at Argentina to avoid the impolitic Mandela imagery, while still cutting off South Africa?s AIDS drugs supply at the source.

    If Argentina hadn?t backed down, there would have been an expected WTO

  19. No NO NO! by Lysol · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most people do not dislike billy because of his vast oceans of cast, but rather the methods he employed to get the cash. I'm amazed that this is continually overlooked.

    m$ has left a trail of corpses of other vendors over the years that they've pummled into insignificance: novell, lotus, word perfect, borland, dr. dos, etc...

    there's no way in hell i'm gonna feel bad for gates. and i'm also not going to treat his philanthropy as some 'awakening' to the humanitarian plight. this guy is directly and indirectly responsible for probably ruining as many peoples lives as he is helping. his and m$' biz tactics are deplorable yet smiled upon by various other biz people because the name of the game is to win uber alles!

    frankly i might start to believe that most of his motives don't have some back door clause to m$ when there are contracts and such - in writing - that specify that there is free money to charities with no strings attached and the software and computers come with signed documents stating that the charity/school/whatever will have free, unlimited upgrades for as long as either m$ or the particular institution exists. and they're free to sell any of the stuff they want at any time without and bullshit reprocussions.

    bill and m$ are kings of lock in. at some point, they've done it to everyone that's used any of their products. why should i think that his philanthropy is much different and ultimately doesn't benefit him in the form of various tax breaks (ya know, if you have a shitload of money and don't get rid of a percentage of it via charities/donations, then u end up owning a bunch of taxes).

    for me, this guy's got a long way to go to wash away the mud. his company is still as predatory and unethical as before. and while i'm glad there are entities out there receiving money - from ripped off customers i might add -, i'm still suspect that there is some hidden.... something. time will tell and i'm not giving the guy anything that he hasn't given anyone else.

  20. So what? by Drakonian · · Score: 1
    So he will still have a lot of money left. Is that against the law? Should be a law passed that everyone with a net wealth over x must be required to give 99% of their wealth to charity?

    And so what if he wants prestige?

    I don't get it. The man has probably donated more money than anyone alive today and he still gets hacked to bits here for being a greedy bastard. I'm pretty amazed.

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  21. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROFLMAO!!!

  22. This one is worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the support number for Apple was 1-800-SOS-APPLE, and you put a 0 (zero) in place of the O (letter) in SOS, you would get a phone sex line.

    1. Re:This one is worse. by jakefoxe · · Score: 1

      Oh Oh OH! ;-)

  23. my selfish rationale for giving away money. by mandalayx · · Score: 1

    In a twisted way, if I were in Bill's position and wanted to further my self-interest, I would similarly give away a vast majority of my wealth.

    Why? because I want my children to do well and I have some suspicion that too much money may be quite a hindrance to that.

    Unfortunately, I'm not Bill, and I haven't found any takers on my debt yet.

  24. 98% ? Heck, he'll be 100% dead too. by Red+LaRoux · · Score: 1
    It's nice that Bill will leave 98% behind. But what I am really interested in is how he plans to keep the other 2%. Is this a secret form of Angel Investing that we haven't heard much about yet?

    Also, isn't it true that any obscenely large number divided by any countable scalar is still a really obscenely large number?

    It really makes you wonder how much he expects to have at the point of death. Let's assume modern medicine keeps him alive till 100. And let's assume he manages to keep his investments clocking along around 10%, which is far less than his twenty year average. His principal will double about every 7 years, and that would make it double about 7 times before he dies. 2^7*$40 billion*2%. I suspect that Bill is expecting to keep more than $102 billion, even after giving away 98%!!

    Cheers!

  25. I love it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to call up old Melinda right now (collect of course) and tell her a story I just found:

    Three women were sitting around talking about their husbands' performance as a lover.

    The first woman says "My Husband works as a marriage counsellor. He always buys me flowers and candy before we make love. I like that."

    The second woman says, "My husband is a motorcycle mechanic. He likes to play rough and slaps me around sometimes. I kinda like that."

    The third woman just shakes her head and says, "My husband works for Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's going to be when I get it."

    (cheers)