I don't think the desktop icons are the way to go - I have none, no matter what WM or DE I'm using. The first fullscreen or big-windowed application I have running and they are useless.
But to each their own - I used to have that kind of setup - in fact dozens of icons... back on my non-trusty Win95.
Yeah baby, and why should everything for Linux be what those iPod and Metro guys like anyway? If you don't like Linux in the first place, why complain about a minor DE that's NOT made your your needs and that you wont have to install and use if you decide to like Linux?
PS. Even if it were true, I wouldn't switch to a mac, but E17 if I wanted that... I will try it out of interest, but really I'm a tiling WM kinda guy...
I'm pretty sure that at least with WinXP you just replaced explorer.exe (not the file, the configuration entry) with bb4linux executable. I had to do it at school to get a proper desktop - and then installed cygwin for proper CLI UI.
I love the stable system, I'd hate it if it enforced me from using 3rd party repos to get something never or missing from their official ones, but instead they guide you how to got them to use.
> Its time like these, that hopefully will change in 2020.
They dont want to give up the stupid "monolithic distribution" concept, which is what brought them into this mess in the first place. They never should have distributed apps together with the core frameworks, but since they have done this 20 years ago, they somehow consider this their "heritage" and refuse to give it up already.
Do you want all the distros do "the AC dance", or are open source linux distros still about possibility to choose otherwise if another distros way does not feel optimal to you.
There are also good reasons for repositories over central "app store" (god I hate the name, and I'm afraid they start changing for free software too - but then the source will have to be provided, they can't stop other sources - but this last thing was just my paranoia, don't confuse with my other arguments). Debian's policy (and from the point of user, no less) is tied to them NOT using some 3rd party distribution system to select and provide what's available for their distro. Now, they have nothing against 3rd party systems, they even list articles related to 3rd party repositories (like the multimedia one, and of couse debian backports) in their official site/debian wiki.
But precisely this stupid "wait for the next distro release for the app you want" is what is blocking Linux from desktop success.
Yes. That's the reason of whatever distro that still does that - it belongs to time of software coming on CD or disks only.
Its time like these, that hopefully will change in 2020.
These stupid ass distros who are so hard up and anal, they should be the ones who find all these cool apps and programs, and re-package it up into their REPO servers ASAP, or on the day of the release.
The distros are not (all) lazy, they might have better things to do, they are in hurry (combine with first for another extra argument), they might have a policy (which can be a promise to the users), like guaranteeing the stability and safety so they have looong periods of time before new version gets to stable version (hint: debian), but there are usually 3rd party repositories that everyone uses anyway (and some even available readily in GUI config program, just to be clicked to enable). I want to try E17 *now, but I don't want it in stable repo anytime soon.
If conical wants an app store, PUT all the damn cool shit on it. Not old shit, new shit.
Linux needs a none-distro specific Super Store.
Yes - it would probably be a big money maker too. But it needs to be 3rd party source - of course any distro can (and some will) start using one of them (come one, there's gonna be fragmentation, and not because of open source) as their official source, and nothing wrong with that, but I want my debian to mean *stable* when they say *stable*.
Click download app - dont ask for what distro I am using, figure it out lame asses. Use a app store client that runs on 5 major distros. And can install app XYZ easily, that doesnt break other apps, and that wont stop and get stupid python errors, coz again some lame ass coded his scripts with 2.6, but fails in 2.7. Fix your shit, stop breaking old shit, stop removing old apis, you want to reduce bloat? then dont package up 167 languages that take 89 megs.
You're asking for something that hasn't been achieved in IT world so far. Guaranteed bug-free programming method. And since you mention python, would you prefer perl errors better?;)
It's however preeeetty futile to try and explain this to Apple fanboi - oh, they would understand it, they just close their mind for the part of your message explaining the difference and then blame you for being hypocrite... and probably associate you with either microsoft or google fans without any knowledge of whether you like or hate them - I've been referred by Mactards as MS shill, never mind that I hate MS.
Thank you, most excellent post... I hate it when critizising Apple the fanbois throw their usual "but when Microsoft does it..." - I fscking hate Microsoft for a lot they have done and I boycott both MS and Apple, and for partly same reasons...
The overwhelming majority of CCTV cameras are privately owned (therefore they must be good in Slashdot groupthink) and not controlled by/accessible to the government/police/spooks
Why would we think that?
In the US, the PATRIOT act can compel someone to hand over the information without any real judicial oversight and a requirement they don't tell anybody. I assume the UK is about the same.
PATRIOT act is US insanity, I haven't heard of equivalent in other 1st world western countries.
Stanford is considered a hard school not because the material is difficult, but because it's presented in a way that's hard to learn. Only the brightest and most motivated students can thrive in that situation, which helps to build the "best and brightest" reputation. The reputation comes not from quality of education, but difficulty of education.
It will also eliminate anyone with severe ADHD without strong stimulant medication (and some despite the medication) no matter how bright and motivated they are.
People don't really learn how to deal with work environment in school anyway, they learn it at work, and very quickly too - and they learn the basic theoretical stuff about workplace, well, works (and thus also the difference between workplace and school) both from their parents and from school, *not* in school.
School is *very* different from work as it is now, these kind of different teaching methodologies don't really change that to "worse".
I don't think it's as black and white as everyone _needing_ to be entertained. It's just a method.
Ok, my comment was probably a bit harsh - the point stands, though. The discipline it takes to sit through a class that isn't fun and entertaining, and learn material that is useful but dry, is the discipline that will make you stand out from the crowd.
I have ADHD (I'm not kid either, though I'd probably had better success in school if they had known about ADD/ADHD in the 80's Finland) and I'd rather stand out from the crowd with something else, like being a good programmer that I am.
Weirdly I have never noticed much of "withdrawals" or other nasty symptoms from missing my 5-HTP dose - I've taken it daily for over a year now, but for last month I've actually been without it. I notice it's lack of help, but I haven't experienced any extra bad effects.
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Nobody here said happy birthday to me on 21st day! :((((
Opera is free?
You dare to attack the number one anti-E excu^H^H^H^H argument!?
I don't think the desktop icons are the way to go - I have none, no matter what WM or DE I'm using. The first fullscreen or big-windowed application I have running and they are useless.
But to each their own - I used to have that kind of setup - in fact dozens of icons... back on my non-trusty Win95.
Your point? I didn't see a claim that e16 was the first to invent that.
Yeah baby, and why should everything for Linux be what those iPod and Metro guys like anyway? If you don't like Linux in the first place, why complain about a minor DE that's NOT made your your needs and that you wont have to install and use if you decide to like Linux?
PS. Even if it were true, I wouldn't switch to a mac, but E17 if I wanted that... I will try it out of interest, but really I'm a tiling WM kinda guy...
Here come the Macbois with their FUD
Dude, you're spending time on posting comments to Slashdot. On E17 topic.
You have free time to try out some new WM or DE.
I'm pretty sure that at least with WinXP you just replaced explorer.exe (not the file, the configuration entry) with bb4linux executable. I had to do it at school to get a proper desktop - and then installed cygwin for proper CLI UI.
apt-get install alien
And available for debian probably right now...
I love the stable system, I'd hate it if it enforced me from using 3rd party repos to get something never or missing from their official ones, but instead they guide you how to got them to use.
You could build a package from the sources - the guides are out there... at least debian makes it VERY easy...
However the poster recommended a CentOS .rpm - now, that is a package no? And not source in package, they are srpm's.
> Its time like these, that hopefully will change in 2020.
They dont want to give up the stupid "monolithic distribution" concept, which is what brought them into this mess in the first place. They never should have distributed apps together with the core frameworks, but since they have done this 20 years ago, they somehow consider this their "heritage" and refuse to give it up already.
Do you want all the distros do "the AC dance", or are open source linux distros still about possibility to choose otherwise if another distros way does not feel optimal to you.
There are also good reasons for repositories over central "app store" (god I hate the name, and I'm afraid they start changing for free software too - but then the source will have to be provided, they can't stop other sources - but this last thing was just my paranoia, don't confuse with my other arguments).
Debian's policy (and from the point of user, no less) is tied to them NOT using some 3rd party distribution system to select and provide what's available for their distro. Now, they have nothing against 3rd party systems, they even list articles related to 3rd party repositories (like the multimedia one, and of couse debian backports) in their official site/debian wiki.
But precisely this stupid "wait for the next distro release for the app you want" is what is blocking Linux from desktop success.
Yes. That's the reason of whatever distro that still does that - it belongs to time of software coming on CD or disks only.
Its time like these, that hopefully will change in 2020.
These stupid ass distros who are so hard up and anal, they should be the ones who find all these cool apps and programs, and re-package it up into their REPO servers ASAP, or on the day of the release.
The distros are not (all) lazy, they might have better things to do, they are in hurry (combine with first for another extra argument), they might have a policy (which can be a promise to the users), like guaranteeing the stability and safety so they have looong periods of time before new version gets to stable version (hint: debian), but there are usually 3rd party repositories that everyone uses anyway (and some even available readily in GUI config program, just to be clicked to enable). I want to try E17 *now, but I don't want it in stable repo anytime soon.
If conical wants an app store, PUT all the damn cool shit on it. Not old shit, new shit.
Linux needs a none-distro specific Super Store.
Yes - it would probably be a big money maker too. But it needs to be 3rd party source - of course any distro can (and some will) start using one of them (come one, there's gonna be fragmentation, and not because of open source) as their official source, and nothing wrong with that, but I want my debian to mean *stable* when they say *stable*.
Click download app - dont ask for what distro I am using, figure it out lame asses. Use a app store client that runs on 5 major distros. And can install app XYZ easily, that doesnt break other apps, and that wont stop and get stupid python errors, coz again some lame ass coded his scripts with 2.6, but fails in 2.7. Fix your shit, stop breaking old shit, stop removing old apis, you want to reduce bloat? then dont package up 167 languages that take 89 megs.
You're asking for something that hasn't been achieved in IT world so far. Guaranteed bug-free programming method. ;)
And since you mention python, would you prefer perl errors better?
Other countries, such as Cuba, however fare much better so I'm not inclined to swallow your argument without chewing...
That's a huge difference...
It's however preeeetty futile to try and explain this to Apple fanboi - oh, they would understand it, they just close their mind for the part of your message explaining the difference and then blame you for being hypocrite... and probably associate you with either microsoft or google fans without any knowledge of whether you like or hate them - I've been referred by Mactards as MS shill, never mind that I hate MS.
Thank you, most excellent post... I hate it when critizising Apple the fanbois throw their usual "but when Microsoft does it..." - I fscking hate Microsoft for a lot they have done and I boycott both MS and Apple, and for partly same reasons...
Why would we think that?
In the US, the PATRIOT act can compel someone to hand over the information without any real judicial oversight and a requirement they don't tell anybody. I assume the UK is about the same.
PATRIOT act is US insanity, I haven't heard of equivalent in other 1st world western countries.
The question was if anyone *sees* a problem or not - obviously GP was implying *he/she* doesn't *see* an ethical problem with this.
Depends on where this guy lives?
Stanford is considered a hard school not because the material is difficult, but because it's presented in a way that's hard to learn. Only the brightest and most motivated students can thrive in that situation, which helps to build the "best and brightest" reputation. The reputation comes not from quality of education, but difficulty of education.
It will also eliminate anyone with severe ADHD without strong stimulant medication (and some despite the medication) no matter how bright and motivated they are.
People don't really learn how to deal with work environment in school anyway, they learn it at work, and very quickly too - and they learn the basic theoretical stuff about workplace, well, works (and thus also the difference between workplace and school) both from their parents and from school, *not* in school.
School is *very* different from work as it is now, these kind of different teaching methodologies don't really change that to "worse".
I don't think it's as black and white as everyone _needing_ to be entertained. It's just a method.
Ok, my comment was probably a bit harsh - the point stands, though. The discipline it takes to sit through a class that isn't fun and entertaining, and learn material that is useful but dry, is the discipline that will make you stand out from the crowd.
I have ADHD (I'm not kid either, though I'd probably had better success in school if they had known about ADD/ADHD in the 80's Finland) and I'd rather stand out from the crowd with something else, like being a good programmer that I am.
Weirdly I have never noticed much of "withdrawals" or other nasty symptoms from missing my 5-HTP dose - I've taken it daily for over a year now, but for last month I've actually been without it. I notice it's lack of help, but I haven't experienced any extra bad effects.