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Using Multiple Forms of Media At Once Correlates With Depression, Anxiety

pigrabbitbear writes "A new study (abstract) from Michigan State University shows that media multitasking exhibits a strong correlation with social anxiety and depression. Importantly, the direction of causality remains to be seen: Does multi-tasking make us more anxious and depressed? Or, as the study's leader, Mark W. Becker, an assistant professor of psychology, put it in an email, 'are depressed and anxious [people] turning toward media multitasking as a form of distraction?' The results of this study aren't conclusive in that regard, he says. But they're an important step. 'While that question will not be easy to answer, it is worth pursing because the practical implications of the findings depend on the causal direction,' he said."

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  1. Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by PopAndGame · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was this old study on how using multiple tabs while browsing means you're depressed. It basically said girls are more normal in this regard because they just have their Facebook page open and AT MOST browse just one other website for reading. At the same time nerds were thought depressed because they couldn't keep themselves on one page but kept switching to many different pages, on tabs. Might have some truth to reality, especially if looking at the geeks I know.

    1. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Dupple · · Score: 4, Funny

      Watching old Dr Whofrom the 80's and commenting on /. From my phone. I wouldn't say I'm depressed, but that behaviour is pretty sad!

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    2. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Zordak · · Score: 2

      That's just sad. How can posting on /. be even momentarily more interesting than old Dr. Who from the 80s? Unless you're watching Colin Baker, in which case I can understand it.

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    3. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Dupple · · Score: 3, Funny

      Trial of a time lord - Colin baker. My only defence is Peri

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    4. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Sophie Aldred was a much better excuse to watch Dr Who.

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    5. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh oh. Everyone thinks I'm crazy because I typically have 4-7 browser windows open, each with 10-50 open tabs. ... come to think of it, I guess I was diagnosed with severe depression once.

    6. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by sinij · · Score: 2

      Clearly, the main problem was the post above you was that the poster was multi-tabbig his media.

    7. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctor Who was pretty terrible by the time Sophie joined the show, but she's the best.

    8. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or perhaps it is because the smart people see how much of a depressing shithole the world is and the "ignorance is bliss" types don't?

      They live in their little closed-off worlds (facebook, quite literally), while the geeks all read about, well, shit like this, on our slashdot, instead of the new galactic empire agreements between 2 civilizations or how our new Titan-base got a new colony established, or to be more (sadly) realistic, the new processors from Intel or how much more Microsoft is suffering for decades of torture they forced on the industry.

    9. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have oodles of social anxiety. It started long before teh Internets.

      Not sure when it started. As early as first grade ca. 1972, I recall a tendency towards incendiary embarrassment coupled with a feeling I was surrounded by idiots.

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    10. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by PopAndGame · · Score: 0

      Like that's so much different from shopping at your local clothing store or other brand name?

    11. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, the main problem was the post above you was that the poster was multi-tabbig his meds.

    12. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really get what's unexpected about this. One of the well known effects of depression is a lack of interest in, well... anything. People who are depressed go out desperately searching for things that interest them, generally not finding it. Surely both having multiple tabs open, and trying to watch TV at the same time as reading shit on the internet is simply a symptom of that search for something to care about.

      That is, my hypothesis is that the causation is depression causes multitasking for information... Not multitasking with media causes depression.

    13. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder which has depression like symptoms and I'm like this in every aspect of my life.

      I can go to clean my room and when I'm done I've paid my bills, ironed my shirts and fixed the sink as well. I can't just keep one train of thought/action going I always veer off in other directions.

    14. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm forgetful and tabs help me remember things without cluttering my favorites up (sure you can create folders/groupings etc. but I'm also lazy and don't want to retain the information forever). They also help connect a series of ideas and how I begin to connect a series of thoughts together. I often keep tabs open over long time spans (weeks) to be able to step back in the thought process and try new approaches if I find something flawed or want to branch off and earlier thought. Tabs are quite useful for investigating ideas, at least for me.

      I'd say there are legitimate uses for tabs outside of social anxiety induced reasons. I think how one organizes and switches through tabbed sessions as well as the actual content loaded in each session are better measures of depression than simply having a lot of tabs open.

      Maybe it's denial and I'm just miserably depressed(!). I don't think that's the case though ;)

    15. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Usually I'll only be using one tab. The first thing I do when I install seamonkey/firefox is turn tab auto-hide back on.

      Tabs generally only get opened if I need to have multiple references open... or if I'm looking at something like a forum index, I'll open each thread I'm going to want to look at in a new tab.

      I'll then start going through the tabs one by one, closing them as I finish with them - finally back at only one or two open, which again tend to be things like indexes.

      Is this an unusual usage pattern?

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    16. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 2

      desperately searching for things that interest them, generally not finding it

      No, you don't get it. We need distraction.

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    17. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vyvanse

    18. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm just going to throw this out there... since I don't have any points to mod down

      Internet habits can be an expression of mental state... but let's think about this... so IS EVERYTHING ELSE. Your style of clothes, mannerisms, speech patterns, ALL of those stem from mental state. I can have 20-30 tabs open at a time while I'm writing code, does that make me depressed? no, paid? yes.

      Some people put the TV on to say drown out external noise and then focus in on what they're doing on their computer, a TV is easier to focus with than the contractor's saw at your neighbor's house.

      I can go on and on with examples, but let's just say these studies have no merit.

    19. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by martas · · Score: 1

      For a moment there I thought Dr Whofrom was some German scientist that did an educational TV show in the 80s.

    20. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      while I agree that modern psychology is abused to label and dismiss people/behaviors society doesn't like, I don't think counseling based on 'reading' chicken entrails or praying to sky daddies is any better.

    21. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      correlation without causation.. So I guess researchers with multiple books open were also depressed too? How about people who skip around tracks on their music players? How about people who flip between tv channels to watch multiple shows at once? seriously?

      This and the article represent horrible reasoning.

    22. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Zordak · · Score: 2

      Doctor Who was pretty terrible by the time Sophie joined the show, but she's the best.

      I actually thought Sylvester McCoy was a pretty good Doctor. The real problem was that they were trying to make the Doctor More Than Just an Ordinary Time Lord(tm). He didn't need to be any more awesome than he already was. But anyway, McCoy himself was probably the -- well, hmm, let's see:

      1. Tom Baker
      2. David Tenant
      3. Patrick Troughton
      4/5. Chris Eccleston & Peter Davison (tied)
      6. Jon Pertwee
      7. Matt Smith
      8/9. William Hartnell/Sylvester McCoy (tied)
      10. Colin Baker
      11. Paul McGann? Who's that?

      Okay, so he was like the 9th best doctor out of 11. But I actually draw a big, fat line between 9th place and 10th place. The top 9 were all very enjoyable. Colin Baker---well, it wasn't all his fault that the producers screwed up the character. The 1997 TV movie was embarrassing.

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    23. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      because it doesn't follow.. There are many reasons why someone might have multiple tabs open, flip through tv channels, or tracks on his music player.. It'st he old correlation without causation routine.

    24. Re: Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to hear the Big Finish audio, it'll change your opinion.

    25. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's because girls who have only their Facebook open are busy being whores and can't open more tabs.

    26. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not just a feeling. A talk with a doctor in sociology enlightened me quite a lot: ~60% of population simply follow trends and orders without giving a second taught about it (idiots); ~30% of population are medium leaders, trying to improve what is around them; 10% of population are visionaries and can see the big picture. So yes, the majority of people around you are idiots by social definition.

    27. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by anubi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes. as humans, we are NOT identical. Our physical traits vary. So do our psychological traits. Its not just us, either. Talk to anyone who has raised animals. I have raised kittens. Some kittens are loveable. Some are skittish. Some come out just plain wild.

      I found out about this several years ago when new management took over at the old aerospace company I used to work for. A serious clash of personality types resulted as my former supervisors ( old-school engineers ) were replaced by men of the suit and tie... MBA's.

      I did not last long. We had completely different value systems. I was the artist type and wanted it done just right; they were business oriented and were optimizing for maximum quarterly profit.

      I was laid off. Just as good. I am pretty sure I would have gone crazy if I had been kept around, as I was too stubborn to just walk away.

      I was convinced I was crazy, so I went to the local community college and talked to the dean of psychology, and told him I wanted to be evaluated - and I flat did not trust anyone in the medical profession who had a fiduciary incentive in the outcome.

      I told him my story, and he recognized what happened. He set up a array of tests ( Myers-Briggs, Keirsey, and a couple others ) that presented hundreds of situations and queried how I would handle it. All on the computer.

      It took me several days to go through the long version ( the shorter versions are available on the internet - the ones I got took several hours each to complete ).

      It turns out psychologists have been able to classify personality types into different categories, just as hair color, eye color, skin color have categories. I am strongly INTP and have asperger traits. Its not a malfunction as much as it is a descriptor. It explained why I have absolutely no interest in sports, or why I would consider a thermodynamics book far more interesting than a bestseller novel.

      I think a lot of us here on Slashdot have similar attributes, as this site - by its nature and content - caters to our type. I would bet few of us give much of a damm about the Super Bowl, but would find a new way of lighting a building worth a read.

      We think "they" are nuts, crazy, completely oblivious to reality. "They" think the same about us.

      Take Malthus... he talked hundreds of years ago about mankind reproducing so much he overshoots the capacity of this planet to support us - resulting in a massive die-off. I fear this too. Or something called "Peak Oil". I've seen the production curves and thoroughly understand the logistic equation the depletion curves are based on, and it scares the hell out of me. Yet "normal people" seem to take this in stride.

      Who is to say who is crazy?

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    28. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    29. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by satuon · · Score: 1

      I often use tabs, but not for multitasking - because going back does not preserve the state correctly in complex pages, so it's better to open a link in a new tab, read it, and then close it, than to open it in the same page and then do Alt+Left.

    30. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depressed because they couldn't keep themselves on one page but kept switching to many different pages,

      There is the significant possibility of sexual frustrations at play, also. My sexual frustrations explain at least 20% of my multi-tabbing activity.

    31. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple tabs is not multitasking, unless you're reading them side by side. Honestly I don't understand how one-tab users can do anything on the web. The web consists of links, and to really read a page I need to explore at least part of its links. Links are tree-like, not chain-like, so I can't just brachiate through them one by one without keeping track. When the tree gets too ample I will use tools like tab groups, bookmarks taxonomies and readitlater. So multiple tabs are essential for structured browsing. They're a way of focusing, not of seeking distraction.

      I agree with the basic premise that media multitaskers are driven by focus avoidance. Maybe anxious people are generally afraid of doing one thing thoroughly, without background music or social chatter to keep them in a comfortable haze, shielded from themselves. They're also often afraid of being alone, for the same reason.

    32. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Who is to say who is crazy?

      Me. Everyone is crazy. The interesting question is in what way/s you or anyone else is crazy.

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    33. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Hey - lay off the chicken entrails! You shouldn't knock it til you've tried it! While Mama Voodoo is reading those entrails, we can get her daughter to whip up some chicken and dumplings. I see a win-win thing with those entrails.

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    34. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Thank God, or nature, or whatever!

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    35. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I routinely have 30 tabs open and consider myself happy. But my usage pattern my still be synchronous with minimal context switching (I'm an engineer, poking fun at my own computer algorithms). I can definitely say from a sample of female friends that multiple media inputs messes them up, and they have observed it themselves on occasions where they were unplugged. This self-awareness does little to change their behavior however, because they are (my opinion) addicted.

      And I think that may well be where the depression comes from.

    36. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by robsku · · Score: 1

      I'm depressed and have 100-200 tabs open - then again this has been going on since Opera brought browser tabs (well, it was the first browser I saw them in anyway) and I definitely wasn't depressed then.

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    37. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by nobodie · · Score: 2

      Thank you for the anecdote, almost a one to one with me, fortunately one thing I studied extensively was conspiracy theory and how they came about (the psych of conspiracy theory) so I generally understand that idiots run the world and couldn't conspire their way out of a wet paper bag. That has saved me a lot of agony and fear.

      But it is frustrating that almost no one else seems to understand it.

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    38. Re:Also called "multiple-tab syndrome" by Panruru · · Score: 1

      distraction
      distraction
      distraction

      Oh God, yes.

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  2. Depression causes multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I strongly believe that the cause-effect relationship is that depressed/anxious people are using more social media. Why? It's an attempt to find something or someone worthwhile to alleviate the feelings of boredom and/or loneliness.

    Happy confident people will find some task or project or following and happily stick to it for a while. Depressed, lonely, scatterbrained people will turn to things like social media to try to find whatever it is that they don't know they're looking for.

    This is my belief..... of course, I might not know what I'm talking about.

    1. Re:Depression causes multitasking by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      From personal experience, if I'm feeling depressed then I spend more time on Facebook and less on everything else. If I'm feeling pretty good, I'll have Netflix and about two dozen websites of articles, games, etc open and forget all about social media sites.

    2. Re:Depression causes multitasking by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Of course my evidence doesn't mean anything since I have only my wife to "study". She has been diagnosed with anxiety and depression.

      It seems that she really has a problem with facebook, but she doesn't use multiple devices at the same time. I would second your belief.

    3. Re:Depression causes multitasking by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

      Research shows that long-term even blind and quadriplegic people report average happiness. If we extrapolate these findings to your facebook predicament -it is likely that in the long run you will adapt to having your mother as the only facebook friend and will return to average happiness.

    4. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's just be clear. Depression and feeling depressed are not the same thing. They actually have little in common. Depression is a condition of extended psychomotor retardation that typically lasts 6 months if treated and 12 months if untreated. Many people with depression don't always feel sadness. In particular, men are more likely to be irritable than sad.

      I know that it is popular to compare depression with feeling down, grieving, disappointment, etc. This only does people with actual depression a disservice because depression is not something something that can be fixed on a time scale of hours, days, or weeks.

    5. Re:Depression causes multitasking by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      My mother hasn't friended me on facebook. Just that one weird aunt everyone has.

    6. Re:Depression causes multitasking by macbeth66 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be really be depressed if your own mother won't friend you.

    7. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, my mom has never thought to join Facebook and friend me, but my dad did. Then he died and Facebook started reminding me I wasn't keeping in touch with him anymore. That's depressing. I finally quit using Facebook (that wasn't the main reason).

    8. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Novelty induces dopamine release.

      Depression increases urge for dopamine.

    9. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Daniel+Klugh · · Score: 1

      Really, "depressed" and "depression" aren't both just forms of the word "depress"? They just happen to look alike? Wow.

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    10. Re:Depression causes multitasking by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Really, "depressed" and "depression" aren't both just forms of the word "depress"? They just happen to look alike? Wow.

      GP said "feeling depressed," which is tantamount to saying "feeling cancer-ridden."

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    11. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See... I took this a whole different way.

      I have eight monitors. When I get going... I have eight different porn titles running at once. Couldn't possibly see how that indicated depression.

      Could see how it indicated other problems.... but not depression.

    12. Re:Depression causes multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it can, but not using crappy mind-dulling drugs the for-profit pharmaceutical industry sells.

      http://www.maps.org/

  3. I suspect there's some level of feedback by Zordak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAPsychologist, but intuitively I suspect that there's some feedback going on. A person is unhappy or lonely, so he seeks stimulus from multiple media inputs to try to fill the emptiness. It's gratifying for a while, but he quickly reaches diminishing returns and the endorphin rush peters out. Then he feels more depressed and lonely, so he seeks even more stimulus, and so on.

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    1. Re:I suspect there's some level of feedback by sinij · · Score: 2

      Is IANAP a consequence of turning IANAL into IAAL?

    2. Re:I suspect there's some level of feedback by HPHatecraft · · Score: 1

      Hey screw you, Jason! I'll bathe and get some sunlight when I'm good and ready. Jeez.

    3. Re:I suspect there's some level of feedback by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      No actually its because of the IAAL types that something that might be considered "Professional Advice" must be preceded with I Am Not A %Professional% to flag that this might be WRONG

      and besides with the IAAL types they will always say IAAL But Im Not YOUR Lawyer and may not even cover Your Case In Your Location.

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  4. All I want to know is .... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ... what does this mean for "Multi-Media"... man's that's depressing.

  5. Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, with the big flashing red caveat that this is entirely anecdotal and drawn from personal experience, I recall 'spamming' my senses with as many inputs as possible (lying in bed simultaneously listening to music, a film on, reading a book, eating seriously high fat/salt/sugar foodstuffs, etc.) quite a lot while I was in the deeper throes of reasonably severe depression. Retrospectively it seems like an attempt to blot out as much of reality as I could, and drown out the sound of my own thoughts.
    Funny things, brains.

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    1. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Damn. Now you're making me sad.

      (Says the AC who does pretty much the same thing for pretty much the same reason, I'm guessing.)

    2. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I resorted to the same thing just to avoid the "feeling" of depression, eventually included self-harm in order to feel anything. Any stimulus. The numbing effect of depression was unbearable, and unsurprising, the numbing effect of anti-depressants made it worse.

      However, I'm happy to report everything is back to normal in my life. I have the occasional relapse, but I have an excellent support (friends and family). I also try to make an effort to make real life social interactions instead of electronic. It's difficult as an introvert, but I feel better about it in the long term.

    3. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, AC - go get help, get medicated and use the time you are medicated to do CBT (because the combination of the two has a good success rate), start jogging (because annoyingly, this too has a good success rate), eat more healthily (specific benefits of this are, I believe, a bit more contentious, but cooking properly is a great and positive activity irregardless), and while you're at it, identify what in your life and yourself you need to change to protect yourself from being depressed. Then use that to actually make the changes - this process took me about five years, but became progressively more worth it and easier. There's no magic bullet, it is hard work, and if you are susceptible to depression you probably need to keep at it in a small way forever.
      This doesn't work for everybody (some people do seem to just have bad chemistry), and really isn't easy, but it did for me.

      Perhaps the hardest bit is actually getting help in the first place, it took me months and the damage to my life was pretty extensive. Then one day I had a breakdown and sat weeping on my kitchen floor, because I couldn't cope with choosing between frozen pies for dinner and thought "Shit, I can't fix this by myself.". A mere three weeks later I'd actually gone to one of the several doctor's appointments I made.

      Anyway, I'm rambling. Don't spam your brain - do something about the sadness and pain.

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    4. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good for you!
      I was extremely leery of anti-depressants, but I suspect without them I would in fact be dead. They made me feel a whole other kind of awful (shakes, nausea, no libido, etc. ad nauseam), but did get me to a point where I could actively work on healing myself, and changing my life to protect me in future. I was able to cope without them after not so long - they should in almost all cases be used like a splint for the brain, and discarded when some semblance of normal neurochemistry is restored.

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    5. Re:Makes sense to me by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Informative

      I went through numerous prescription AD and they all made a bad situation worse. Then I discovered 5-HTP. I noticed improvement after the very first dose. Obviously everyone is going to be different but for anyone going through depression I recommend giving it a try.

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    6. Re:Makes sense to me by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hey, AC - go get help, get medicated

      Medication doesn't actually work for most people. A 2008 meta-analysis of all clinical trials involving SSRIs, including trials the author had to file FOIA requests to get, shows that SSRIs provide no clinically significant benefit to those with a Hamilton Rating below 23. That's "very severe" depression. Side effects of course occur no matter how depressed you are.

      That was 4 years ago, no one has since refuted these findings. I've actually sought treatment for depression in the past couple years. I was given a score of 15 and was offered SSRIs. I asked the psychiatrist how she could ethically offer an addictive drug with many side effects when the best science available showed them to be no more effective than harmless glucose. She had no answer, except to say that in her experience they were effective. As if there was no reason to do blinded, placebo controlled studies.

      The only conclusion I can reach from this is that psychiatric treatment for depression in all but the most severe cases is a con. If you can still feed yourself, get your ass to work, and sleep at night there's nothing psychiatry can do for you. You might as well rub a crystal on your forehead.

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    7. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 2

      I was at the time doing my degree in psychology, the consensus (at least here in the UK), was very clear - SSRIs can be very effective, but only in combination with counselling or something similar. Unfortunately, they don't get used like that. Counselling, and even relatively 'quick fix' type therapies like CBT are staggeringly expensive and time consuming vs. pills. Sadly this means the prescription is the solution option tends to win out.

      I do think there's a lot of debate to be had about the efficaciousness of SSRIs in general, they are widely misused and you're quite right to point out that in a lot of cases they really won't help. I also think that the statistical methodology used by pharma to demonstrate their drugs work is misleading at best, and probably outright deceptive (Ben Goldacre has much to say on this subject). However! In this context, I can only offer my anecdotal experience. The greatest benefit to my mental health was certainly not the medication, but the other things I mentioned.
      I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound.

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    8. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The more and more research you do into anti-depressants the more and more harmful they appear to be. I've been depressed for over 16 years (~10 to 26) and have attempted suicide a couple times (left the result up to chance and got lucky). Last year I finally when in for a free session and got diagnosed with double-depression, among other things. I hate taking meds/drugs. I spent all summer researching depression in an attempt to convince myself to start anti-depressants this fall. Instead it convinced me to never take them even once.

      Depression used to be something many people would go through once or twice in a life time. It lasted around a year then the person got over it. Nowadays, it's a lifelong, disabling illness that puts you out of work and onto welfare. Anti-depressants are addictive in the sense that your body adjusts (fights against the drug's effects) and you have to take more and more of them for the same effects. Eventually one drug stops working and you have to switch. Once you stop an anti-depressant you get depressed again. People see this as the drug was working and go back on it. However, the withdraw effects exactly match the original symptoms and most people don't know these drugs have any withdraw effects! They get cured normally in around a year but stay on the drugs because they don't notice. These drugs screw with how your brain operations on a chemical level and eventually leads to brain damage. You slowly lose the ability to maintain emotional stability which means you'll start taking more and strong drugs. Then you'll take more drugs to reduce their side effects. People on this path die 20 years earlier than their peers.

      The good clinical trials show no benefit of anti-depressants over active placebos (placebos which cause side effects).

      The best treatments for depression is exercise, sunlight (sounds stupid but it actually matters), eating the right foods (more fruit and veggies, less meat protein and processed sugar), CBT, and quality social interaction and support. If you can do these things, please skip the drugs. Your life will be so much better in the long run.

      I'm still deeply depressed, but I'm slowly working through it on my own. No additional costs, no additional side effects, and no one around me knows. I still can't see any future worth living for me, but the constant wanting and looking for chances die is gone.

      I'm not providing sources. You'll learn more if you go research things yourself.

    9. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, I'm 32 on Hamilton's rating scale.

    10. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "use the time you are medicated to do CBT"

      Being medicated is probably the best time for cock and ball torture anyways.

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    11. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound."

      As a former lab rat of nearly 20 years (Ritalin, Adderal, Desipramine) I'm going to say you don't have the in-depth experience or education to be able to make your statement with any authority.

      It most certainly is a con. None of those things worked for me, and in fact made things worse.

      Enjoy your blown and overloaded endocannabinoid system.

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    12. Re:Makes sense to me by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I was at the time doing my degree in psychology, the consensus (at least here in the UK), was very clear - SSRIs can be very effective

      That may be the consensus, but the science says otherwise.

      I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound.

      Please point out the fallacy. What honest explanation is there for the incongruity between the science and psychiatric practice?

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    13. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

      I'm sure your anecdotal experience trumps mine, is it a particularly useful (or even interesting) dialogue to have though?
      I'm not a psychologist, and I would assume my undergraduate courses on abnormal psychology whatnot are out of date (I'd hope so, otherwise progress has been very slow). My criticism of your 'psychiatric treatment for depression is a con bunk' remark relates only to what seems rather an overgeneralisation in saying that since a particular psychiatric treatment didn't work in your case, all psychiatric treatment for that condition doesn't work.

      Would it be fair to assume that you're an American (I'm guessing based on the medications)? My understanding is that there's a very different attitude to prescription and diagnosis (particularly of mental illness) in the US, which I'm certainly not familiar with beyond what I read about in the news (generally, that there's massive overmedication).

      In any case, perhaps I have offended you, (which really wasn't my intention) in which case I apologise!

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    14. Re:Makes sense to me by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      My favorite was listening to Monty Python tapes at dubbing speed.

      Twice as many jokes per minute, and extra silly voices.

    15. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

      I think that's perhaps a rather pessimistic view! Any intervention to the brain, chemical or physical, should not be taken lightly, and those available are not exactly precision tools. The full impacts of SSRIs and other anti-depressants vary substantially between them, not to mention between people and I think that very few people (who aren't idiots, or dubiously motivated) would suggest that they are anything other than a short term, emergency intervention to be used to get people to a place where they can engage in more useful and lasting treatments.

      If you can engage without some chemical assistance, then you should be doing that, not getting medicated. (I'm aware that I was a bit casual in my original comment in suggesting AC #1 get medicated.)
      (As a side note, I'm more interesting in the potential for ketamine and MDMA as replacements for the role our current anti-depressants play - some of the results in that ballpark have been really quite interesting, but regrettably the legal situation makes it hard to expand that further.)
      And one last thing - keeping it a secret seems counter productive, it certainly was for me. (Not to mention, the more people hide mental illness, the more foreign it is and the more people feel they need to hide it.)

      I've rambled on again.. I wish you the best of luck, and that sometime you look back and feel you were worth rebuilding!

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    16. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

      Bugger, I responded to the wrong person, sorry about that.

      Medication isn't identical with psychiatric treatment, I think would sum up my objection here. Although I suppose there's no particular argument here, I'm not suggesting (nor was it suggested in my lectures), that people who aren't severely depressed should be taking SSRIs, or anything else for that matter. With hindsight I can see that my initial remark to AC #1 was rather flippant in that respect, which was silly of me.

      Besides, the consensus as I knew it was over a decade ago - you'd kinda hope it had changed by now!

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    17. Re:Makes sense to me by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Medication doesn't actually work for most people. A 2008 meta-analysis of all clinical trials involving SSRIs, including trials the author had to file FOIA requests to get, shows that SSRIs provide no clinically significant benefit to those with a Hamilton Rating below 23.

      A good place to start would be to find a doctor who prescribes the right medication for the right symptoms. SSRI's are quite effective when it comes to fighting anxiety. For depression, try something like Wellbutrin, which is a dopamine/norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.

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    18. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "use the time you are medicated to do CBT"

      Being medicated is probably the best time for cock and ball torture anyways.

      I was starting to think I was the only one that read the acronym this way...

    19. Re:Makes sense to me by Tagged_84 · · Score: 1

      I can say with a 110% confidence that SSRIs work wonders for me, though I tend to get to the suicidal ideation stage before jumping on them. I have my doubts the scientific field completely disregards them, you can't base your findings off one study otherwise we'd all be damning vaccinations.

      I've almost finished a book called Resilience 'The science of mastering life's greatest challengers", it's only a couple months old and has dozens of references to the benefits of SSRIs in combination with therapy. I'd recommend you read it, it gets straight to the point and ends each chapter ends with up to 2 pages of references, it just assaults you with science!

    20. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can tell you that for some, antidepressants are staggeringly effective. I was very much in the "no meds, no how, no way" camp for a very long time, and tried basically everything else I possibly could to get to a reasonably functional state, but never made any real progress forward. Getting on the right antidepressant was a "clouds have parted, bright light shines down" kind of thing. There's no amount of 'work through' it that would have gotten me there. ... of course, as you and others have noted... yeah, sometimes they stop working. That's where I'm at now. The stuff that worked doesn't, and we've now cycled through just about all of the other available choices, and can't find anything that offers benefit. So now I've got pretty serious problems, but they're effectively the same problems I had before I was on the meds at all -- they're just much more impactful now, since my career has progressed so much in the decade in-between.

      The problem with 'work through it' is that I don't really have a lot I can work through. My problem isn't "woe is me, I feel so sad" ... I'm just basically non-functional. If I can sit there staring at the screen trying to do something I *want to do* for effectively days on end, and make no progress because my brain simply isn't capable at this point, there's not much I can do. I can't will myself to do better, I can't find anything easier or more exciting (it's a problem with *everything*, no matter how simple or how interesting), the functionality simply isn't there.

      Changes in light, exercise, diet, workflow, etc have no material effect. Social interaction does -- it takes so much energy to actually deal with people that by the time I'm done, I'm utterly exhausted and have to fight to not cry. This isn't because I hate to deal with people or I'm not good at dealing with people, it's just because it takes such gargantuan amounts of energy to do it. At this point this even includes close friends, interesting discussions, anything.

      So anyhow, your attitude of 'meds suck, work through it on your own' is kind of annoying, it's like the people that say "you just need to decide to be happy" ... after many many years of fighting this thing on every front, I can tell you that I just don't think there's a "work through it" for some people. Either that, or some people are just not fixable. But the implication that it's all about just not trying hard enough is offensive.

    21. Re:Makes sense to me by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

      it just assaults you with science!

      The best kind of assault.

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    22. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the tape recorder up your brother's nose?

    23. Re:Makes sense to me by swalve · · Score: 1

      Then you don't have the condition those drugs treat. Don't blame the drugs.

    24. Re:Makes sense to me by swalve · · Score: 2

      Be careful with that stuff, the crash if you miss a dose can be brutal.

    25. Re: Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. A-fucking men. Psychologists and psychiatrist. Just like my diabetes nurse.. Know ALL about it, but don't live with it themselves. Instant experts.

    26. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Depression used to be something many people would go through once or twice in a life time."

      There are an uncountable amount of people in the past whom have suffered from this problem, it's not a new phenomenon.
      To quote ye:
      "I'm not providing sources. You'll learn more if you go research things yourself."

    27. Re:Makes sense to me by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Funny you mention that. I ran out 2 days ago and haven't made it to the store. And yes I have noticed.

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    28. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't mean to say trying harder will fix everything. Anyone who's been depressed knows how much that line sucks. Just don't jump too quickly into taking pills to solve all your problems. It sounds like you didn't do that, so good for you.

    29. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate bothering people. If they knew, they'd all act differently towards me and I wouldn't be able to tell if they were doing something just because they thought they were supposed to (thus I'm bothering them) or because they actually wanted to do it. Plus I'd have to tell them I've been lying for years. Though everyone kinda knows already. One of the first things people tell me after I've been around them is that I should smile more. Some people joke that they'll get me to smile/laugh before the end of whatever activity we're in :(

    30. Re:Makes sense to me by cffrost · · Score: 1

      I can say with a 110% confidence that SSRIs work wonders for me [...]

      They're certainly not working wonders for your mathematics aptitude. ;o)

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    31. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was there some anxiety brewing within that surpassed your threshold and required you to post a "correction"?

    32. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I work in porn so it's immediately the first thing I read it as.

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    33. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 1

      No, I had the condition. The problem was they were throwing me on these drugs starting at age 5 or 6. That totally threw my body way out of whack. a nasty hit of antidepressants plus amphetamines. My endocannabinoid system is blown to the point where even the best weed doesn't get me high, it just puts me at a stable level and barely manages constant pain I have from having implanted skeletal parts.

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    34. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 1

      You didn't offend, but your comment does show (yes, USA) that you aren't educated enough about the issue over here. While the general gist (over-proscribed) is correct, it's actually much much worse. The pharmaceutical companies basically pay shrinks to use these new medications and push them as hard as they can, consequences be damned.

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    35. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, many drugs do work in conjunction with therapy to treat depression/anxiety/etc. The only catch is that because they can be fun and mind-expanding, they are by and large illegal, unstudied in traditional science or hard to acquire.

      MDMA
      LSD
      Psilocybin
      Ketamine
      LSA
      Ayahuasca
      Ibogaine

    36. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny... antidepressants never did that for me. But Cannabis made my depression manageable. Then Psilocybin helped me push through it, get to find my fears, deconstruct them, and unravel some nervous habits created over a lifetime. It's extremely saddening to me that wonderful natural medicines get rejected out of hand.

    37. Re:Makes sense to me by cffrost · · Score: 1

      I noticed improvement after the very first dose [of 5-Hydroxytryptophan].

      Be careful with that stuff, the crash if you miss a dose can be brutal.

      I ran out 2 days ago and haven't made it to the store. And yes I have noticed.

      Am I correct in speculating that the withdrawal presents as a rapid, dysphoric return of depression symptoms—perhaps worse in intensity than their initial/untreated state?

      The reason I'm curious is that that is exactly what I experience following cessation of the prescribed tricyclic imipramine (Tofranil), which is—by far—the most efficacious of the numerous anti-depressants (belonging to three classes) that I've tried. The only other AD that I didn't shit-can posthaste was bupropion (Wellbutrin), an NDRI. In my experience (and as related to me by others), SSRIs are absolute garbage.

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    38. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, as soon as someone shows me a way to get medicated for free.

    39. Re:Makes sense to me by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Was there some anxiety brewing within that surpassed your threshold and required you to post a "correction"?

      I hadn't formulated my own hypothesis prior to reading your post—I shall credit you, Anonymous Coward, with providing me with one, should the motivation behind comment #42222951 ever come under further scrutiny.

      Thank you, buddy. :o)

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    40. Re:Makes sense to me by swalve · · Score: 1

      Stimulants have nothing to do with the endocannabinoid system.

    41. Re:Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do have to argue that Adderall does work for me. it makes me feel like complete shit while it's active in my system, but it does work. It seems to help a lot of other people who take it too, else we would have all stopped ages ago because of how crappy it makes you feel.

    42. Re:Makes sense to me by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      withdrawal presents as a rapid, dysphoric return of depression symptoms—perhaps worse in intensity than their initial/untreated state?

      Initially yes. I wasn't expecting it but I caught myself being very emotional and realized that must be what it was. It leveled off rather quickly. The Wiki in my OP explains how 5-HTP is able to absorb into the brain and become 5-HT or Serotonin. Interestingly 5-HT cannot be absorbed into the brain. Since Serotonin is linked to mood it makes sense an increased level would have a positive effect.

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    43. Re:Makes sense to me by cffrost · · Score: 1

      withdrawal presents as a rapid, dysphoric return of depression symptoms—perhaps worse in intensity than their initial/untreated state?

      Initially yes. I wasn't expecting it but I caught myself being very emotional and realized that must be what it was. It leveled off rather quickly. The Wiki in my OP explains how 5-HTP is able to absorb into the brain and become 5-HT or Serotonin. Interestingly 5-HT cannot be absorbed into the brain. Since Serotonin is linked to mood it makes sense an increased level would have a positive effect.

      Interestingly 5-HT cannot be absorbed into the brain. Since Serotonin is linked to mood it makes sense an increased level would have a positive effect.

      I was surprised to see that 5-HTP is categorized as a sleep-aid anda nootropic, what with the former class being generally dominated by stimulants.

      I'm actually replying because I neglected to mention my main reason for speculating that the crash was fast and severe: Unlike SSRIs with their multiple-week delay before they (are supposed to) become effective, and bupropion (which has a somewhat quicker, but rather subtle effect), imipramine is profoundly effective beginning on day one. Sometimes when I get to the end of the Rx and I don't feel a sense of urgency (or I'm just unable to get to the pharmacy)... If it slips my mind during the subsequent few days, I experience a very nasty reminder—the speculative description I asked you to confirm hits me like a bolt from the blue—one second I'm fine, the next I'm tearing up and wishing for a real bolt from the blue. Once I get it again, though, its full effect is restored in less than one hour.

      My apologies if my wordy anecdote lacked substance... I was skeptical of swalve's warning, and was curious if sudden cessation of a naturally-occurring dietary supplement could actually slap down a patient as hard as a severe, 60-year-old Rx. :o) Thanks for reading and for your reply.

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    44. Re:Makes sense to me by robsku · · Score: 1

      "I would take issue with your last statement though - I don't think your assertion is logically sound."

      As a former lab rat of nearly 20 years (Ritalin, Adderal, Desipramine) I'm going to say you don't have the in-depth experience or education to be able to make your statement with any authority.

      It most certainly is a con. None of those things worked for me, and in fact made things worse.

      Enjoy your blown and overloaded endocannabinoid system.

      Strong case of ADHD here. Ritalin, Dexedrine, Concerta - definitely worked on me - as does amphetamines bought from the street (in low doses) for that matter - where's your con now?

      As for actual antidepressants, as that's what I think the discussion was about before you, they are mostly dangerous bullshit.

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    45. Re:Makes sense to me by robsku · · Score: 1

      Weirdly I have never noticed much of "withdrawals" or other nasty symptoms from missing my 5-HTP dose - I've taken it daily for over a year now, but for last month I've actually been without it. I notice it's lack of help, but I haven't experienced any extra bad effects.

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    46. Re:Makes sense to me by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Stimulants have plenty to do with the endocannabinoid system. But you wouldn't know since it seems you failed basic biology.

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  6. First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, darn. I was doing other things and I didn't post in time.

    Missing out on a FP is making me depressed.

  7. What? No Invalid Causation? by edibobb · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's really nice to see an article on correlation without invalid conclusions of causation. This means that /. readers are more scientifically literate than the rest of the world.

    1. Re:What? No Invalid Causation? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      wat? it is a prime example of that.. there are plenty of reasons someone might have multiple tabs open in a browser, skip through multiple tracks on his music player, or flip through channels on the tv tracking multiple shows.. It doesn't mean they are depressed.

    2. Re:What? No Invalid Causation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat? it is a prime example of that.. there are plenty of reasons someone might have multiple tabs open in a browser, skip through multiple tracks on his music player, or flip through channels on the tv tracking multiple shows.. It doesn't mean they are depressed.

      WHOOSH

  8. The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by hamjudo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Depressed people are also likely to self medicate with cigarettes or alcohol. And using cigarettes or alcohol sometimes leads to depression. In some people, it leads to a positive feedback loop.

    1. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

      In some people, it leads to a positive feedback loop.

      It doesn't sound very positive to me. *Rimshot*

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    2. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      A positive feedback loop sounds great... in my bank account!

    3. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by arielCo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'What are you doing here?' he said to the drunkard whom he found sitting silently in front of a collection of bottles, some empty and some full.
      'I am drinking,' answered the drunkard lugubriously.
      'Why are you drinking?' the little prince asked.
      'In order to forget,' replied the drunkard.
      'To forget what?' enquired the little prince, who was already feeling sorry for him.
      'To forget that I am ashamed,' the drunkard confesed, hanging his head.
      'Ashamed of what?' asked the little prince who wanted to help him.
      'Ashamed of drinking!' concluded the drunkard, withdrawing into total silence.
      And the little prince went away, puzzled.
      'Grown-ups really are very, very odd,' he said to himself as he continued his journey.

      The Little Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    4. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the seemingly odd wording stems from the cybernetics vocabulary where 'positive feedback loop' describes an effect of amplification, i.e. _positive_ growth, whereas 'negative feedback loop' means the inverse, i.e. damping/attenuation...

    5. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by timeOday · · Score: 1

      There used to be such a thing. Ask your grandparents about the "magic of compounding interest" sometime. If you bought a home, or property, or some stocks in postwar America, you made a lot of money over time, pretty much automatically.

    6. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! Because medicines also have both lethal and serious health side-effects, so it makes perfect sense to "self medicate" with cigarettes and alchohol.
      It's like digging your own hole in the ground, deeper and deeper. A perfect excuse to keep things the way they are or worsen them actually.

      Captcha: disown

    7. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marijuana and alcohol! It's Friday!

    8. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by niado · · Score: 1

      There used to be such a thing. Ask your grandparents about the "magic of compounding interest" sometime. If you bought a home, or property, or some stocks in postwar America, you made a lot of money over time, pretty much automatically.

      This is pretty much the case now. As long as one isn't speculating, real estate and the stock market are still quite lucrative over the long-term.

    9. Re:The causality choices aren't mutually exclusive by Fritzed · · Score: 1

      It's also worth noting there could very well be no causality at all. It's certainly possible that certain personality traits could cause social anxiety and the drive to multiple forms of media.

      In fact, I would hazard to guess that it is more likely both of these things are effects of an unidentified cause and not things that are causing one another.

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  9. Mult-tasking decrease efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    media or not. Mulch-tasking stimulates ADHD. Single-tasking, sharp-razor-thin focus is more efficient in any type of work.

  10. Slashdot by sinij · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is my only bookmark and the only website I visit, and as a result it is the only type of media I consume and there is no reason to multitask.

    Am I finally ready for happiness?

  11. Hah by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    I read this as I am listening to Pantera, with Facebook, Slashdot, personal e-mail, and work e-mail in opened windows while doing Math homework. Apparently I am on the verge of suicide, based on this article.

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    1. Re:Hah by IAmAMacOSXAddict · · Score: 1

      LOL That's IT?

      I'm at work, and have Lotus notes, Visio, Word, and You tube (streaming some off road Jeep JK trail runs that I'd like to try (no Audio)) open on my first 2 screens, on my 3rd screen I'm using Logmein to access my home machine where I'm on Safari with 6 home page tabs open (including this one), this is all while I'm listening (again) to the Hobbit in an Audiobook on my iphone (in preparation for the movie) with my personal email open and connecting from my 5 email accounts....

      According to this article I must be so depresed to be on the cusp of becoming a suiside Bomber and blowing up a small building...

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    2. Re:Hah by berashith · · Score: 1

      are you multi-tasking, or just busily not getting shit done? trail runs sound cool though

    3. Re:Hah by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

      You tube (streaming some off road Jeep JK trail runs that I'd like to try (no Audio))

      Nice. I'm taking my linked Samurai out tomorrow.

      Other than that, I have nothing else to offer to this discussion.

  12. Or noise, just don't like the quiet by Volastic · · Score: 1

    I always have the T.V. going when on the computer, heck it's never off. I have no mental health issues, nor depressed or anxious. I am on the other hand very ADHD. I've found I don't watch T.V. much, so don't have cable or satellite payments, just what's over the air (THIStv and MEtv mostly). I'll be playing Battlefield 3 and find I've been watching a Spanish station (for example) the last 3 hours and not even noticed. I'm always on the internet, but don't do the social sites, I have a 5 year old twitter account with two messages or tweets I guess. When I poop I play games or read the internet on my Tablet or Cell phone, am I nuts :}

    1. Re:Or noise, just don't like the quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to break the news to you, you just admitted your a lunatic to these quack psychologists. Go read the DSM-IV, ADHD is a mental disease according to their exploited quack science.

      The next question is why do you have ADHD?

      Geo Engineering?
      Fluoride int the Water?
      GMO food everywhere?
      Constant barrage of propaganda keeping you from seeing the big picture.

      lets clarify, I don't think your a lunatic, I think your a victim that these vampires prey on.

    2. Re:Or noise, just don't like the quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dihydrogen oxide in the water. That stuff is dangerous.

  13. This research isn't the only one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When therapists are treating depression and other psychological problems, they recommend keeping video games, Internet and TV time down to a minimum. Some even put a time limit of 2 hours. Getting out and exercising and being face to face with people and doing meaningful work will help one with their depression and weight control.

  14. So anyone that by ewhenn · · Score: 1

    So most people that watch say... a music video... are depressed or anxious?

    Sounds legit.

  15. thats right, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the more informations you receive, the more you are depressed. i call it the "bad news-syndrome". for example: if you see a lot of stuff from all around the world, wich comes unfiltered to your mind, then you are in a situation wich is difficult to handle for your brain. because your brain will construct links between random stuff, wich, in fact, has nothing to do withit. what means that you will think that you life in a world of conspiracys. look at the suicide rate of so called "hackers" and people, who are intelligent and well informated about the things that are going on in the world. a lot of them are depressed or paranoid. latest example: McAfee.
    and i now what i am talking about, i experienced it on myself while i had trouble with the police and the government. i didn't left my house without phone-jamers and stuff. and YES, i had a good reason to be paranoid, but you have to keep a distance between yourself and the shit wich is going on. otherwise you are in danger to be trapped in a microcosmos, where it is hard to find an exit from.
    excuse my bad englisch, i'm german, but i hope you know what i want to say.

  16. I'm just glad... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 0

    ...that they've admitted they don't know the direction of causation. Usually stories like these breathlessly report that all our lives are in terrible danger because of some link that they can't be bothered to detail in the story, but rather it should be taken for granted that the researchers have some knowledge about the correlation that they failed to mention in their report... ad nauseum. Dare I say it: - put a mark in the column for "correlation != causation" -

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  17. This must be fake! by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    "'While that question will not be easy to answer, it is worth pursing because the practical implications of the findings depend on the causal direction,' he said."

    This must be fake! Or at least it is the first time I hear a psychologist speaking of causal directions. Is sound like a good study just because of that caveat.

    There may be progress in this world!

    1. Re:This must be fake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a joke, or do you just not ever read actual scientific discourse (of psychologists)?

  18. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thinking about the world depresses me in general, and every time i hear about a new reality tv show my faith in humanity drops. i like having a good movie to distract me, but i'm scatter brained and prob already seen the movie, so i'll read, sort mp3s, etc, given each only partial attention but that's just me...

  19. I could understand... by michael_rendier · · Score: 1

    Seeing so much information at once and in such a state of spin these days, i could see this leading to more anxiety. I'm also willing to bet that people who use multiple sources of media spend sometimes inordinately long amounts of time on them. We've seen what fury the current propaganda machines can whip up over the last year alone...so it's no surprise really. It's exactly why i can't watch TV anymore...because it just really pisses me off to no end...i can read it on the net...where i can pick and choose my news with no serious considerations, but watching what passes for news really gets to me these days...along with how many people are either believing it outright, or by proxy, by giving it a legitimate discussion. Then there is Social Media...take facebook for example...people go on there to tell the world and show them all how wonderful their lives are...but in actuality these days is easily comparable to talking to an empty room...and with so many people 'fishing' for activity on social media to help them define who they are, when there isn't much interest in anything that they post...over time, that can get to a person with insecurities of one thing or another...then try to put the two together...I've had to take many friends out of my feed over the last election...because i couldn't stand watching otherwise intelligent people be so consumed with such drivel as if it were all true...reciting the talking points as if they were real and had actual meaning...the only thing it's showing me is how much underlying stupidity, selfishness and bigotry that still runs rampant in our 'modern society'...

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  20. TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder TV news is so depressing.

  21. As we all lnow: Correlation... by rizole · · Score: 1

    ...is not an excuse to trot out lazy memes.

  22. My thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    depressed and socially anxious people start media multi-tasking as a distraction. anyone who performs media multi-tasking is bound to make some eSocial blunders, which can lead to depression and social anxiety.

  23. Hrm. by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

    PC1, Monitor 1: EVE Online

    PC1, Monitor 2: Rock n' Rolla

    PC2, Monitor 1: Guild Wars 2

    PC2, Monitor 2: Chrome

    I must be really depressed. :(

    1. Re:Hrm. by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

      No, but you're probably one of the bot-aspiring AFK miners.

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    2. Re:Hrm. by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

      No, but you're probably one of the bot-aspiring AFK miners.

      Mining and Hauling. Not one macro. All legit. I actually do a lot of exploration as well. =]

  24. Amateur Hour by globaljustin · · Score: 3

    I'd say this is pseudoscience but...I'm trying not to feed my inner troll...

    This is definitely shoddy science work. Their definition of 'media' is one of many examples...

    I've researched media usage, media usefulness, geospatial correlations, etc. in an academic setting and the definition this study uses for 'media' is...depressingly narrow.

    'media' is a book, billboard...anything that has symbols. Usually researchers narrow the language to 'digital media'...but that requires a more refined, less salacious theory...which doesn't get headlines.

    Don't even get me started on how research studies like this use the word 'multitasking'

    Look, IAAS and this research is garbage...move along...

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  25. psychology is Quack Science beware the DSM!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These quacks push this shit to frame your ass as a fucking lunatic. Then you lose more constitutional rights.
    If the oath breakers stopped shoving all these fucking unconstitutional laws out every two hours we wouldn't be so righteously (your fucking us with your batshit bullshit) fucking pissed off. We wouldn't be uncertain about the future. The problem is the elite have set themselves up to manage a bunch of compartmentalized shit so deep, they can't function anymore. When the monetary system pops this punk ass psychiatrist's BS will be reduced to hot air.

    FUCK THE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS (called psychiatrists) EXPLOITING THE DSM

    1. Re:psychology is Quack Science beware the DSM!! by sinij · · Score: 1

      Not to generalize or detract from the spirit of your message, but reading your post lead me to believe that the diagnosis may be accurate in your case.

    2. Re:psychology is Quack Science beware the DSM!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scientists have shown that once your blood pressure hits a certain level, you are unable to think clearly.

  26. It's the other way round by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Trying time and again to find anything worthwhile and only finding boring, meaningless drivel instead of content, but keeping trying in the vain hope to get something sensible after some digging, that's what makes me anxious and depressed.

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  27. Why not both? by znanue · · Score: 1

    Negative feedback loop?

    1. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't use terms you don't understand.
      Then it'd be a POSITIVE feedback loop.
      X causes Y; Y causes more X -> positive feedback, runs away.
      X causes Y; Y causes less X -> negative feedback, finds a stable equilibrium.

  28. True fact by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    Slashdot depresses me. So does CNN, Redit... It's like a trifecta of misery. I try to keep Pandora open to cheer me up but then it decides to play me a Metallica song and I'm right back to being miserable.

    1. Re:True fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot depresses me. So does CNN, Redit... It's like a trifecta of misery. I try to keep Pandora open to cheer me up but then it decides to play me a Metallica song and I'm right back to being miserable.

      Humanity depresses me too.

    2. Re:True fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you haven't been watching Fox "News". Otherwise you'd be homicidal too. ;)

    3. Re:True fact by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      You could always watch foxnews to offset CNN's misery.. The two together cancel each other out leaving you numb and stupid..

    4. Re:True fact by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Damn Internet! :P

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    5. Re:True fact by cffrost · · Score: 1

      What you've describe is sadness, not depression.

      In any event... try this.

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  29. A few words of caution by meetpi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that I can't afford to pay the publisher's ludicrous $51 for 24 hours access to this paper, I have to glean information about the study from the abstract and summaries.

    This study is, at best, a preliminary study. The researchers use a small sample size which they generalise to a large population (they sample 319 people) and they are not using a random sample (they used college undergrads, presumably self-selected). So, basically, what this tells us is that there is some correlation between certain kinds of media use behaviours with *possibly* depressed/anxious undergraduates at Michigan State. It is highly inaccurate statistically speaking to generalise these results to the general population. At best, this study might suggest that there is phenomena here that is worthy of further examination by a proper study.

    I'm not criticising the researchers: preliminary studies like this are the first step to getting funding for a more robust study, and they're not claiming anything earth-shattering or being sensationalist. But /. readers need to be aware that this is preliminary research, and does not mean what the headline suggests it does. A better headline would be something like "Preliminary research suggests there may be value in studying the relationship between multiple media use and depression"

    On a related note, I wish psychologists would stop using students as guinea pigs and then publishing papers on the results. We already know waaay too much about college undergraduates.

    1. Re:A few words of caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But college undergrads are cheap, and self-select as study participants when they need beer money or rent.

    2. Re:A few words of caution by kid-noodle · · Score: 1

      The preprint is available, but is still pretty goddamn short.

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    3. Re:A few words of caution by martas · · Score: 1

      I wish psychologists would stop using students as guinea pigs and then publishing papers on the results. We already know waaay too much about college undergraduates.

      Unfortunately that's often the only way to start investigating something, since undergraduate subjects come either cheap or free (lower level psychology courses in my university had a research participation requirement, I imagine the same goes for many other universities).

  30. scientific discourse of psychologists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which of the scientific discourses of psychologists did you mean?

    The one I referred to was that of Sigmund Fraud and his merry gnomes.

  31. That Is a Real Bummer, Man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story is such a freaking bummer.

    It makes me so sad I'm opening tabs like a porn storm.

    Mmm. Porn.

  32. lol by grenadeh · · Score: 1

    That's pretty much ridiculous. So you're attempting to lead to a scientific label on all people born since 1980 as social anxiety ridden neckbeards. I would think the fact that people multi-media-multi-task now is a sign that we can actually handle more things at a time.

  33. third variable? by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

    How about this: people that exhibit a high level of multi-tasking have a higher probability of being bored easily. People that are bored easily have a higher probability of being depressed.

  34. Flawed causal reasoning by wjwlsn · · Score: 1

    The summary, and the linked article for that matter, both imply that there must be an arrow of causality between A (depression, anxiety) and B (multiple media input seeking). Does A cause B, or B cause A? However, that's a flawed view of this situation.

    The old adage that "correlation is not causation" is apt here... correlation does not prove a direct causal link. What correlation does do, however, is suggest the possibility of a causal relationship, whether direct, indirect, or parallel.

    The real answer could be that some other factor C (or combination of factors) causes *both* A and B. This is the interpretation that seems most logical to me, but of course, I have no proof.

    Anyway, my suspicion is that nerds like to overload on input, and that nerds are also more susceptible to depression/anxiety. That's how I know that I am a nerd. :)

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    1. Re:Flawed causal reasoning by snadrus · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. Anyone think that a stressful life that forces you try multi-task to try to catch-up may cause the depression?

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  35. Time to use this to my advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about it.

    Women are stereotypically better at multi-tasking than men
    Therefore, women are more depressed than men.
    Therefore, women need a man around to be happy.

    Sounds legit to me! Time to hit the bars with my pickup line "Hey baby... if you want to be less depressing, how about you get with ME!" In theory, this would work doubly well on lesbians.

    Wish me luck!

    1. Re:Time to use this to my advantage by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      The first is a myth. Humans suck at multitasking, period.

      The second might be true. Insecure egos are often the ones making the loudest complaints of others being responsible for their 'plights'. Feminism has morphed into one giant example of this. Truly secure, empowered people don't need bailing out by the state or anyone else.

      The third is probably true, but it is also true that men need women around. The problem is that this culture has thrown that symbiosis out of balance, making both genders miserable.

  36. CBT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does Cock and Ball Torture have to do with solving depression? Any specific style needed?

    I'll have to give that a try.
    BTW, I'm reading slashdot and watching an Asian horror movie now. Sometimes "multiple media" just means that neither one is worth our full attention, but I'm fairly certain the CBT will get my full attention shortly.

  37. Depression - Distraction by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 2

    Add my anecdotal evidence to the pile. In my own case, I have been depressed on account of the amazing suckitude of my life, and have deliberately turned to the distraction of multiple forms of media (books, TV, music, interwebs, beer, etc.), often simultaneously. Recognizing the external factors of my life that make it suck are beyond my control, and thinking about these things leads directly to depression, it is only reasonable to prevent thinking about these things by occupying my mind with anything else at all.

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  38. To have a movie playing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on one screen, having two dozen tabs open with various documentations, and one dozen source files open for editing. Sometimes the TV is on as well. I must be a very depressed person???

  39. Categories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that the comment sections ("forums") in most places can cause depression or make it worse in some people. If you think who are the ones making comments:

    1. Those who want to complain: everything is so bad.
    2. Those who are aggressive or angry.
    3. Those who want to troll.
    4. Those who really think they have something important to say.
    5. Those who are doing drugs and stay happy (even after putting down by 1..4).

    As for point 4 I think having a good keyboard or no keyboard might also make a difference (tablet users).