OK, I'm a linux zealot, but Be does really kick ass, especially on the desktop. My main problems with Be as a desktop platform is
A. Lack of applications....Linux just has more stuff, this is not to say that Be doesn't having anything, just most of it is graphics oriented, and I'm not a graphics person. B. Lack of customizibility....Linux is simply more customizable.
For these reasons, I still use Linux as my desktop OS, though I still really respect Be and wish it well.
That being said, Be is far easier to setup and use, and, IMHO, tends to have better performance on desktop applications.
Unfortunetly, Gorilla aside, I think Be's switch of focus to Internet Appliances (ala Stinger) will end up dooming the OS (dispite Be's claim otherwise). Afterall, what company is going to want to develop an application for an OS that is not even the primary focus of its mother company. And open source people are likely to stick with platforms that are completely open source.
On a side note, I'm not optimistic about Be's chances as an applicance OS either. Linux is also competing for this space, and its free. In devices that are only supposed to cost a few hundred dollars, this is a big advantage over even a resonably prices OS like Be.
The only virus that I can think of (don't quote me on this, its been awhile since I was studying this stuff) was the Bubbleboy virus, which caused little damage. Link to article about it below http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,23 90955,00.html I just skimmed it, but it seemed generally accurate.
I just wanted to add my experiences with OCD to this otherwise excellent post.
I developed OCD around 12, and remained undiagnosed untill I was 21. This is with a good, caring family and regular medical attention. It is exceedingly easy for severe mental illnesses to excape completely unnoticed. I agree that the world in general is overmedicated and too quick to find mental illness, but on the other hand I sure that there are thousands of other people out there that were like me, trapped in their own head for years with no clue about what was going on.
The really nasty aspect of mental illnesses is that they can take many forms. Everyone recognized excessive handwashing and other rituals as a sign of OCD, but the illness can take many, many forms. Some people, like myself, have no compulsive behavior whatsoever, but were repeatadly plagued by intrusive thoughts that the individual finds extremely distrubing. This is just another form that OCD can take, and there are many more. This diversity makes mental illnesses very difficult to ferret out...in some ways I would rather see a society oversensitive to these problems than under. Our detection net for these illnesses is very loose, we are missing alot of people who need help.
The health insurance treatment of mental illnesses is also extremely inadequete. If the inequitites between physical and mental illnesses in the insurance industry can be corrected, than little actions like this from the surgeon general were worth it.
Personally, I think that all space probe should be equipted with a small mount of explosives so that, at the end of their usefull career, they can be blown to pieces. Not only with this somewhat negate the presence of just, but we can also grin evilly while hitting the "self-destruct" button. Think of the possibilities!!!!;)
This is just another example of "The Man" keeping the wookie down. Do the annoying, lilly-white non-furry people get it? No, they run around screwing each other. But what happens to the wookie....Thats right...killed off in a vague attempt to save a dying series....
I've always been tempted to fill one with gas and try to use it as a flame thrower.....but better sense has always gotten the better of me. OK, its a horrible little idea, but have any of the little pyros tried it?
Actually, it is possible to mix binarys between distros, its just tricky. I, briefly created a Frankenstein Debian/Mandrake beast....attempting to combine the best aspects of each. It was, well, interesting to say the least, but most binary did run.
Uhhh, actually there are quite a few technically geeky, scientifically literate people who have concerns about stuff like this. Luddites are against technology in general, people for technology in general are just as bad. People who find some technology frightning are just intelligent.
all of these are commercial with the exception of CERT, who I recomend as a good resouces to watch. Usually, when they say somethings up, it is, though they are abit slower than the vendors. Have fun.
I agree, but there are some problems with this that need to be addressed.
1. I've done tech support, I have no faith in the idea of eductation of users. It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
2. Some viruses are spreading fast than the AV vendors and sysadmins can catch up. This worm had hit millions of computers before the AV software had a fix. The same applies for sysadmins, and most are overloaded as is.
3. PGP and backups, definetly, now, no excuses.
I dont think that anyone is recomending the 34% thing seriously (I could be wrong), but it is a good point. Greater OS diversity would slow these puppies down, but I dont think windows users should go throw out their OS for viral reasons....after all there are enough other reasons.
Its not a flawed arguement, it just needs not to be taken out of context. The idea of using a nondominate OS like, oh, say linux for security reason is following the old "security through obscurity" mentality, and yes, is invalid. But OS monoculture does dramatically speed up the rate at which viruses spread. Look at melissa and this worm, they hit millions of computers in days...think about how increadable that is. This rapid transmition is aided by the fact that virus coders can reasonably bet on a certain software set and use that to propigate. A more diversified OS base will not stop this, but it will slow propigation (though the virus being stopped at a greater portion of computers) and makes things harder for the virus writter by lowing the possibilities of a single exploit.
Right now writting MS viruses is too easy. I have the source code for melissa hanging on my cube, its less than two pages. I'm a noncoder and its basic enought that I think I could effectivly modify it. Thats frightening.
I think there could be value in extend the LSB to include other, non-technical things...such as advice on how to document requirements and handle propiatory software.....examples
for requirements
...This products requires library XXX and XXX, and has been tested and know to work on distro X and Y.
This avoids the balikanization that people are worried about and still provides for companies that do not want to test all distros...and it provides the info needed to make it work on an non-compliant system (ie symling this library to here, whatever)....the same can be used to cover propriatory software in a distro, IE they should be clearly and consistandly labeled. Propriatory software isn't evil, but it should be treated carefully when working with open software.
As for distros, there is obviously too much paranoia going on here, but there is some basis for it. Redhat, to their credit, has played the game correctly, releasing all software under the GPL et all. But they are growing very powerful, which undermines the traditional strenght of Linux (and also its greatest weakness), which is its distrubuited nature. I respect redhat, but I wont use their product, despite their good behavior, because I fear this growing hegemony....other than that I wish them the best...
Apologies if this repeats other comments, I don't have the time to go through all responses.
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Actually, there have been several positive things about KDE on slashdot, and I fail to see how/. will benefit in anyway from gnome. As for redhat, their bundling and supporting both DEs now.
Oh common you don't really expect us to------ asdawjkzxkh*&%^**(FN ahsdkjfabASDGBX*(^$%^*^#*&^(@*&&# jkahsdf&(*&IJAEKG(798980(8098hiutgaskhiaughlagsd bf
I dont know about the ethernet drivers, but I know there was some controversy about Be using Lilo. My understanding of it was that they were contacted, apologized and removed the code, but I'm pulling this from memory here
I found that it depends alot on individual voice patterns. Some people, like myself, simply talk in ways Viavioce doesnt like. I got maybe 75% accuracy, with training. Some friends tried it, while it was trained for me, and got a far higher accuracy, 90 something.
Actually, I think a couple were....my bad. The point is that most of the armed resistance against the governement is extremely ineffective...civilians with civilian weapontry cannot come close to competing with trained, professional millitary and special police with advanced tech.
Actually,it has been shown that the availability of guns increases deaths....simple because even good people get mad, which is harmless unless there happens to be a gun sitting nearby. I saw a fairly reputable study showing that in the US most gun death were accidential or unintentially between family members. The presence of guns does not deter crime, it just makes it easier and more violent for it when it does happen.
Your examples citing gun laws are shortsighted. Crime everywhere in the us has dropped, including areas with sane gun laws. How come there is gun deaths so commen in intercitie areas where guns are also common. How come the armed guard in Colorado didn't stop the killings...Stating that guns prevent crime really misunderstands the nature of most gun deaths, dramitic example like this aside.
The commonly cited US constitution is in place to supposadly prevent the government from having too much power over the people. Back in the 1780s, when farmers with rifles and soldgers with rifles were on much closer standing, this made since. To continue that logic to today we should all own anti-tank weapons and SAMs, simply put there is no way for a civilian to be even near on par with a government troop in the era of modern warfare, how effective have the armed militia groups been when they get in to conflicts with the government, regardless of your opinion of them, I can't think of a single government agent being killed...hence the original intention of the constitution, while well founded at the time, is simply not relavent today.
I know of few that are arguing that the right to bear arms should be repealed....I know many who think that it should be more regulated. It is currently easier to get a gun than it is a drivers license....gee, that makes sense
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Brian
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Im running it fine on a 120 laptop, is a tad slow though, I'm not complaining. Cool, they changed the little netscape thingie to a lizard...:)
I'm courious, what are the advantages of a BSD over a Linux. I understand that BSD is more mature, but what does this actually translate into, all I have hear was faster forking and a faster IP stack. Also,it seems as if Linux has really started closing the gaps in terms of desktop software (as opposed to server)....Word Perfect, KDE, Gnome, stuff like that. How does BSD stand up in this respect.
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OK, I'm a linux zealot, but Be does really kick ass, especially on the desktop. My main problems with Be as a desktop platform is
A. Lack of applications....Linux just has more stuff, this is not to say that Be doesn't having anything, just most of it is graphics oriented, and I'm not a graphics person.
B. Lack of customizibility....Linux is simply more customizable.
For these reasons, I still use Linux as my desktop OS, though I still really respect Be and wish it well.
That being said, Be is far easier to setup and use, and, IMHO, tends to have better performance on desktop applications.
Unfortunetly, Gorilla aside, I think Be's switch of focus to Internet Appliances (ala Stinger) will end up dooming the OS (dispite Be's claim otherwise). Afterall, what company is going to want to develop an application for an OS that is not even the primary focus of its mother company. And open source people are likely to stick with platforms that are completely open source.
On a side note, I'm not optimistic about Be's chances as an applicance OS either. Linux is also competing for this space, and its free. In devices that are only supposed to cost a few hundred dollars, this is a big advantage over even a resonably prices OS like Be.
Gee, must all informative posts now be accused of karma whoring.
Personally, I thought it was useful, specially since I can't get to the site now.
The only virus that I can think of (don't quote me on this, its been awhile since I was studying this stuff) was the Bubbleboy virus, which caused little damage. Link to article about it below http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,23 90955,00.html I just skimmed it, but it seemed generally accurate.
I just wanted to add my experiences with OCD to this otherwise excellent post.
I developed OCD around 12, and remained undiagnosed untill I was 21. This is with a good, caring family and regular medical attention. It is exceedingly easy for severe mental illnesses to excape completely unnoticed. I agree that the world in general is overmedicated and too quick to find mental illness, but on the other hand I sure that there are thousands of other people out there that were like me, trapped in their own head for years with no clue about what was going on.
The really nasty aspect of mental illnesses is that they can take many forms. Everyone recognized excessive handwashing and other rituals as a sign of OCD, but the illness can take many, many forms. Some people, like myself, have no compulsive behavior whatsoever, but were repeatadly plagued by intrusive thoughts that the individual finds extremely distrubing. This is just another form that OCD can take, and there are many more. This diversity makes mental illnesses very difficult to ferret out...in some ways I would rather see a society oversensitive to these problems than under. Our detection net for these illnesses is very loose, we are missing alot of people who need help.
The health insurance treatment of mental illnesses is also extremely inadequete. If the inequitites between physical and mental illnesses in the insurance industry can be corrected, than little actions like this from the surgeon general were worth it.
Personally, I think that all space probe should be equipted with a small mount of explosives so that, at the end of their usefull career, they can be blown to pieces. Not only with this somewhat negate the presence of just, but we can also grin evilly while hitting the "self-destruct" button. Think of the possibilities!!!! ;)
This is just another example of "The Man" keeping the wookie down. Do the annoying, lilly-white non-furry people get it? No, they run around screwing each other. But what happens to the wookie....Thats right...killed off in a vague attempt to save a dying series....
Damn the Man!!!!!Save the wookie!!!!
*sadly waves zippo in air*
I've looked long and hard, and have never been able to find an X Server for Be.....does anyone know of any?
I've always been tempted to fill one with gas and try to use it as a flame thrower.....but better sense has always gotten the better of me. OK, its a horrible little idea, but have any of the little pyros tried it?
Actually, it is possible to mix binarys between distros, its just tricky. I, briefly created a Frankenstein Debian/Mandrake beast....attempting to combine the best aspects of each. It was, well, interesting to say the least, but most binary did run.
Uhhh, actually there are quite a few technically geeky, scientifically literate people who have concerns about stuff like this. Luddites are against technology in general, people for technology in general are just as bad. People who find some technology frightning are just intelligent.
I havent had time to make sure thay have detailed info on macro viruses, but they have some..
http://www.sarc.com/
http://www.av.ibm.com/current/FrontPage/
http://www.cert.org/
http://www.avertlabs.com/
all of these are commercial with the exception of CERT, who I recomend as a good resouces to watch. Usually, when they say somethings up, it is, though they are abit slower than the vendors. Have fun.
I agree, but there are some problems with this that need to be addressed.
1. I've done tech support, I have no faith in the idea of eductation of users. It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
2. Some viruses are spreading fast than the AV vendors and sysadmins can catch up. This worm had hit millions of computers before the AV software had a fix. The same applies for sysadmins, and most are overloaded as is.
3. PGP and backups, definetly, now, no excuses.
I dont think that anyone is recomending the 34% thing seriously (I could be wrong), but it is a good point. Greater OS diversity would slow these puppies down, but I dont think windows users should go throw out their OS for viral reasons....after all there are enough other reasons.
Its not a flawed arguement, it just needs not to be taken out of context. The idea of using a nondominate OS like, oh, say linux for security reason is following the old "security through obscurity" mentality, and yes, is invalid. But OS monoculture does dramatically speed up the rate at which viruses spread. Look at melissa and this worm, they hit millions of computers in days...think about how increadable that is. This rapid transmition is aided by the fact that virus coders can reasonably bet on a certain software set and use that to propigate. A more diversified OS base will not stop this, but it will slow propigation (though the virus being stopped at a greater portion of computers) and makes things harder for the virus writter by lowing the possibilities of a single exploit.
Right now writting MS viruses is too easy. I have the source code for melissa hanging on my cube, its less than two pages. I'm a noncoder and its basic enought that I think I could effectivly modify it. Thats frightening.
He probably didnt mention OS X because the discussion was about Linux on Macs, not Unix in general on Macs.
I think there could be value in extend the LSB to include other, non-technical things...such as advice on how to document requirements and handle propiatory software.....examples
for requirements
...This products requires library XXX and XXX, and has been tested and know to work on distro X and Y.
This avoids the balikanization that people are worried about and still provides for companies that do not want to test all distros...and it provides the info needed to make it work on an non-compliant system (ie symling this library to here, whatever)....the same can be used to cover propriatory software in a distro, IE they should be clearly and consistandly labeled. Propriatory software isn't evil, but it should be treated carefully when working with open software.
As for distros, there is obviously too much paranoia going on here, but there is some basis for it. Redhat, to their credit, has played the game correctly, releasing all software under the GPL et all. But they are growing very powerful, which undermines the traditional strenght of Linux (and also its greatest weakness), which is its distrubuited nature. I respect redhat, but I wont use their product, despite their good behavior, because I fear this growing hegemony....other than that I wish them the best...
Apologies if this repeats other comments, I don't have the time to go through all responses.
Actually, there have been several positive things about KDE on slashdot, and I fail to see how /. will benefit in anyway from gnome. As for redhat, their bundling and supporting both DEs now.
hey, I think you can be more assine about this than you are being....come on, express your opinion....dont hold back.
really, you just managed to make yourself look like a real prick...people make mistakes, deal...its a free site that makes no claims of accuracy
Oh common you don't really expect us to------ asdawjkzxkh*&%^**(FN ahsdkjfabASDGBX*(^$%^*^#*&^(@*&&#d bf
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I dont know about the ethernet drivers, but I know there was some controversy about Be using Lilo. My understanding of it was that they were contacted, apologized and removed the code, but I'm pulling this from memory here
I found that it depends alot on individual voice patterns. Some people, like myself, simply talk in ways Viavioce doesnt like. I got maybe 75% accuracy, with training. Some friends tried it, while it was trained for me, and got a far higher accuracy, 90 something.
Actually, I think a couple were....my bad. The point is that most of the armed resistance against the governement is extremely ineffective...civilians with civilian weapontry cannot come close to competing with trained, professional millitary and special police with advanced tech.
Actually,it has been shown that the availability of guns increases deaths....simple because even good people get mad, which is harmless unless there happens to be a gun sitting nearby. I saw a fairly reputable study showing that in the US most gun death were accidential or unintentially between family members. The presence of guns does not deter crime, it just makes it easier and more violent for it when it does happen.
Your examples citing gun laws are shortsighted. Crime everywhere in the us has dropped, including areas with sane gun laws. How come there is gun deaths so commen in intercitie areas where guns are also common. How come the armed guard in Colorado didn't stop the killings...Stating that guns prevent crime really misunderstands the nature of most gun deaths, dramitic example like this aside.
The commonly cited US constitution is in place to supposadly prevent the government from having too much power over the people. Back in the 1780s, when farmers with rifles and soldgers with rifles were on much closer standing, this made since. To continue that logic to today we should all own anti-tank weapons and SAMs, simply put there is no way for a civilian to be even near on par with a government troop in the era of modern warfare, how effective have the armed militia groups been when they get in to conflicts with the government, regardless of your opinion of them, I can't think of a single government agent being killed...hence the original intention of the constitution, while well founded at the time, is simply not relavent today.
I know of few that are arguing that the right to bear arms should be repealed....I know many who think that it should be more regulated. It is currently easier to get a gun than it is a drivers license....gee, that makes sense
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Brian
Im running it fine on a 120 laptop, is a tad slow though, I'm not complaining. Cool, they changed the little netscape thingie to a lizard...:)
I'm courious, what are the advantages of a BSD over a Linux. I understand that BSD is more mature, but what does this actually translate into, all I have hear was faster forking and a faster IP stack. Also,it seems as if Linux has really started closing the gaps in terms of desktop software (as opposed to server)....Word Perfect, KDE, Gnome, stuff like that. How does BSD stand up in this respect.