IIRC there was a version of the 386 that was hardened against high levels of radiation...hence their being used quite a bit in space (and presumably nuclear) applications, which would go along way towards explaining such a thing.
I am a teacher (former geek) and I have struggling to find good timelining software for use by both me and my students...my needs are:
A. Must be free B. Easy to add events C. Exportable to a file D. Multiple user support would be nice
Simile Timeline looks nice but is certainly not easy, and probably requires more skill to implement than I am capable of. Plus, I don't have a server to run it on. Timeglider are Timerime look fine as easy to use software, but are ultimately commercial services and I suspect will ultimatly cause problems. Anyone have any suggestions? Non-web based freeware is also fine, but it needs to be free so I can have students use it as well. That would also pretty much mandate Windows as well. An suggestions would be dandy. Thanks!
I dont know about squid/octopuses per say...but most marine animals have an ability to sense sound. Fish, for example, have a lateral line running down their sides for this purpose. Its not sonar, but its useful for figuring out if something is moving near you.
I have no idea wether these systems would be impacted by this sonar.
North Korea has not threatend to nuke the US (They have threatened to sell nukes though)
North Korea does not have missles anywhere nearly capable of hitting the United States. They could hit Japan, but not the US.
The threat from ballistic missles is real, but overrated...there are a billion and one other threats that are probably more severe. However, BMD is a great way to give money to aerospace companies. I would not be so against it if
A. It really didn't seem like such corporate welfare. B. It seemed like it actually has a good chance of workering (it doesnt) C. It didn't alientate half of the world, including our allies, in the process of build this system that probably wont work D. The administration didn't seem do darn determined to do this regardless of any reality...do you know that normal systems of testing and accounting have been suspended for this program?
In short, real but remote threat...being used for big money and political gain with little concern for reality.
While not denying that Imperial Japan was increadably aggressive and "evil" (think Rape of Nanking and a whole sort of other stuff)...there is some basis for the assertion of self-defense. The US had put an oil embargo on Japan, and they were looking at the real possibility of running completely out and being defenceless. Pearl Harbor was hitting back first to keep that fleet from getting involved when they pursued a main objective, the oil fields in Indoneasia (Then Dutch controlled) which involved going through territory controlled by Britain and (obviously) the dutch. This a gross simplification of a very complicated situation, but many dont know about it.
Mind you...we put the embargo on Japan because of their war and occupation in China..but the Japanese saw it (somewhat correctly) as an example the US being able to have an empire (Phillipeanes and heavy Chinese interests) and not them. The Japanese were increadably afraid of European domination (with good reason) and sought to become a "great power" (with requsite empire) as a means of forestalling it. Almost worked too.....there was a somewhat solid democracy in Japan in the teens and twenties, unfortunetly it slipped and the millitary took over, and they got too aggressive for their own good. (Mind you, during that period the Japanese were occupying Taiwain (then Formosia) and Korea, so they had already begun the process of expansion, they just hadn't stepped on European toes yet.
History textbooks are not always the best, but there is a huge volume of history produced in the united states, much of it very critical of the US. Look around, and you shall find.
Historians are very independent minded...while we (im a history grad student) will usually admit our biases, there is an honest attempt for the truth, and material is peer-reviewed on an international level to look for problems. Mind you, we cant really agree on anything, but there is an honest attempt by most (ok...not all, some suck) historians to get at the truth.
(Mind you, determining the "truth" in a historical context is extremely difficult, but the attempt is there)
OK...just a statement of opinion here. I support both the right of Israel to exist as well as the formation of a Palestinian state. Just some facts as I understand them.
The creation is Israel was not a result of the holocaust, it had been occuring since the turn of the 20th century. It was formally created in 1948 with the withdraw of the British, who were occupying the region since the end of WW1. A Palistinian state was also to be created. The day Israel was created, every state around it attacked it, and the land that was to be Palistine was taken in the subsequent war. What is regarded as Palistine today was for the most part were never suppose be part of this. West Bank was part of Jordan, Gaza part of Egypt. Taken in a later war (1967 i believe), neither Egypt nor Jordan want it back.
There has never been a formal Palestinian nation, the area of Israel/Palestine were under firm Ottoman control up until WWI, where the british took over.
This is not to deny that Palestinian identity is not a real one today, however is it a modern phenomena as much as the idea of a Israeli state is...in fact it formed largely in response to the growing movement towards an Israeli state. It did not really exist prior to 1900....there were elements of it in place, but not a unified, national palestinian identity. Actually, most of the nations in the middle east now is a modern creation, created rather arbitrarily by the withdraw of british/french after WWII. Egypt would be a probably exception to this, as would Iran (in terms of nationalist identity, they were both controlled both others as well).
The situation in the Middle-East/Palestine/Israel is increadably complicated...and it is really difficult to determine who is "in the right" (both sides are being assholes). As far as I can tell, there really is not good resolution, almost anything done to resolve the problem would be an injustice in some way. I lean towards a simple granting of West Bank and Gaza independence (I have little sympathy for the Jewish settlers in those areas, they intentially went there to make resolution of the problem difficult) but there obviously some problems with this.
Agreed on the the bad luck in governments thing in LA, but really, the US actions in the regions have been horrible. The governments of Chile and Guatamala were very mellow socialist governments, more akin to european socialism, and cannot be explained as a real communist threat. Guatamala was knocked out almost entirely becuase of the interests of United Frust (whos plantations were threatened by land reform). Chile disolved itself, but the US support for the following Pinochet regime was horrific, largely because it was looking like the US copper companies in Chile were being threatened. Amazingly, the US supported Pinochet even after he set off a car bomb in DC to take out a dissident exile.
Castro was probably a moderate socialist upon taking power, but we really forced him in to the soviet bloc. Mind you, Cuba was so completely dominated by the US at that point that an anti-US swing was quite likely upon a real nationalist government taking power. We had been supporting Batista for some time, and that man was increadably brutal.
Dont know much about the sandinistas, however the US response to it was in any case horrific, as well as extremely illegal both in international and domestic terms, think Iran-Contra, selling arms to a hostile government to illegally subvert another. Joy.
All of this ignoring our long term occupation of areas such as Haiti, Dominician Republic, Panama, Nicruagua, sporatic occupation of Mexico (VeraCruz) and the like.
Anti-communism was really just an excuse for the continued US strongarming in the region, which goes back really until before 1898 (it really surged up after the Spanish-American war). This is of course ignoring when we outright took 1/3rd of Mexico, in the 1840s I believe.
I am not isolationist mind you, but I really think that this hardball foreign policy has backfired on us so many times that it was time we learned that a slighly mellower approach to foreign policy would piss off alot less people and be more beneficial in the long run.
I beleive that a good number of people (4?) launch and reenter on the main deck...the flight deck is not that large...I think it usually cares 3 or 4 people. I watched the NASATV coverage last week...and it had some film of the crew getting out of its seats right after launch...there were only 4 on the flight deck...and I only recall 3 seated.
I believe that the problem with Columbia supporting the ISS was that it was significantly heaver than the other shuttles, and hence would have difficulty lifty heavy payloads up to the ISS. However, perhaps it could get there with a lighter payload.
There are major holes in Signs as far as the aliens are concerned, but IMHO it doesnt matter. Signs is not a sci-fi movie or about aliens, it is a movie about god that just happends to have aliens in it. Oneo of the things I thought was great about the movis was its shift from the sci-fi to the divine.
On the other hand, the fact that aliens had a hard time with doors really annoyed me. These were wacky aliens.
The Soviet Union actually did declare war, several weeks before the surrender. Not sure why they didn't get to share in the occupation of Japan, maybe the creation of North Korea (Korea was then a Japanese colony) was deemed to be enough. The SU also got some islands (the Kuriles, I believe) to the north of Japan.
Check out John Dowers "War Without Mercy"...good read. While there was a Japanese policy of "no-surrender" and suicide, this was backed up, in many instances, by US refusal to take prisioners. There was so much animosity going back and forth that both sides completly demonized the other. This is in contrast to say US attitudes towards the Germans, who were still regarded as "human" in ways the Japanese were not.
Please note that the US commander of Corrigor (a general Wainwright) in the Phillapines (sp...sorry) was expect to fight to the death, and McArther (spelling again, its late, give me a break) flipped when he heard of the surrender.
Japanese civilian fear of the US is well documented, it is visable thoughout books on the war. I have heard of no US atrocities against Japanese civilians (which were not encounted till late in the war, and in limited numbers in places like Saipan and Okinawa), but this does not mean that the fear was not there, a byproduct of the massive racial animosity that had developed.
Dower is a great author, "War Without Mercy" sketched out this racial animocity very well, and also demonstrates how it quickly changed after surrender. His "Embracing Defeat", regarding the occupation of Japan, is a masterpiece, and goes into more detail regarding the rapid shift in perceptions and culture.
I would disagree with this. I use OpenOffice for all of my work, both in Windows and Linux, and I have been quite happy with it. I will admit that it is slower than pretty much any office suite out there, but once it is up it is a non issue.
KOffice and Abiword are fine little buffed up text editors, but they simply can't handle simple things like footnotes, which make them completely unsuitable for my, and probably many other peoples purposes. OpenOffice handles footnotes very well, even better that Word IMHO.
Word is fairly good...but is expensive, not cross platform, and does certain things that annoy me. I wish that OO had its spell and gramemr check (which I ignore half the time, but is still useful for catching some mistakes). Other than these two issues though, OpenOffice fills my needs perfectly on this front.
Just a nitpick...OS X doesnt use the BSD kernel...its uses Mach....there is a BSD server that provides much BSD functionality...but the actual kernel is Mach.
The Zalman flower heatsinking have worked well for me...nice and quiet with good cooling. I have seen these for sale at quietpc.com and directron.com. Only problem is they are really large...which made mounting kindof interesting.
Basically consistes of a large copper flower that mounts on the CPU...with a larger 60 0r 80mm (I forget) fan that mounts over it via a bracket that attaced to the screws on the expansion slots.
StormPKG is in Debian unstable right now and works like a charm...I would like to see SAS too, but some parts of Storm are making it over.
It would be nice if some people picked up the other storm parts and became maintainers from them in Debian....are their any other nifty storm software other than stormpkg, SAS and the installer (which I wouldn't think Debian would want as they are working on their own)
The teacher who died was Kristen McAulliff (I know I slaughtered the spelling there), Sally Ride was, I believe the first US woman in space...I forget in what capacity though.
Space travel is dangerous....I sure whoever went up (if this isn't just vapor, which I suspect) would be fully warned...and I really don't think that it makes much of a difference if a game show contestant rather than a regular astronaut gets blown up....well, I can think of some differences, like alot of people wouldn't mind...but that would be rude:-)
And still, despite the danger, the US has only had 3 major accidents related to space travel, and one of those did not result in fatalities. Pretty damn good record for a field like spaceflight.
I think that while all this license stuff seems like pointless quibbling, the existance of these license's is what helps keep this software free. The license purists prove an extremely valuable function by ensuring that one of the predominent OSS licenses out there remains meaningfull, and not eroded away by small, overlookable violations, which, as a whole, may be minor, but in aggragate can severly impact the license. It ain't a pretty process, but its important.
While I respect the KDE project and think that it is great that QT has gone GPL, I do think that they could have done more to address these license problems that have always plagued them. Most of the statements from KDE has seemed to dismiss any notion of a problem. While they and many others believe in this position, there is a significant portion that do not. Alittle bit of effort to address the concerned parties, rather than statements stating that there is no problem, or that it only affects a few programs, would have gone a long way. Its wasn't though...lets all hope this fight is over, the parties involved can kiss and make up...and that we might see some KDE2 binaries available for Debian soon.
Hate to be petty, but the G in Gnome stands for GNU, and gnome.org is quite clear on the fact that it is a GNU project. So RMS is correct in saying that it is GNU.
The GNU-Linux thing is another issue. I agree with that designation, but many don't...
Just a quibble....BeOS really isn't a *nix...all new code. It uses the bash shell for its terminal, and is nominaly POSIX complient...with lots of unix tools ported over....but it, itself, is not a *nix, nor does it really resemble one in most fundemental ways.
Frankly, I don't like SO either, but I'm thrilled to see it go GPL all the same.....alittle (well, alot) of work could make it into a great suite...namely by breaking the damn apps apart.
Word Perfect Suite 2000 ain't bad, but running via wine creates some weirdnes.....like I'm still trying to make the damn thing print.
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IIRC there was a version of the 386 that was hardened against high levels of radiation...hence their being used quite a bit in space (and presumably nuclear) applications, which would go along way towards explaining such a thing.
I am a teacher (former geek) and I have struggling to find good timelining software for use by both me and my students...my needs are:
A. Must be free
B. Easy to add events
C. Exportable to a file
D. Multiple user support would be nice
Simile Timeline looks nice but is certainly not easy, and probably requires more skill to implement than I am capable of. Plus, I don't have a server to run it on. Timeglider are Timerime look fine as easy to use software, but are ultimately commercial services and I suspect will ultimatly cause problems. Anyone have any suggestions? Non-web based freeware is also fine, but it needs to be free so I can have students use it as well. That would also pretty much mandate Windows as well. An suggestions would be dandy. Thanks!
I dont know about squid/octopuses per say...but most marine animals have an ability to sense sound. Fish, for example, have a lateral line running down their sides for this purpose. Its not sonar, but its useful for figuring out if something is moving near you.
I have no idea wether these systems would be impacted by this sonar.
North Korea is already under sanctions...IIRC.
North Korea has not threatend to nuke the US (They have threatened to sell nukes though)
North Korea does not have missles anywhere nearly capable of hitting the United States. They could hit Japan, but not the US.
The threat from ballistic missles is real, but overrated...there are a billion and one other threats that are probably more severe. However, BMD is a great way to give money to aerospace companies. I would not be so against it if
A. It really didn't seem like such corporate welfare.
B. It seemed like it actually has a good chance of workering (it doesnt)
C. It didn't alientate half of the world, including our allies, in the process of build this system that probably wont work
D. The administration didn't seem do darn determined to do this regardless of any reality...do you know that normal systems of testing and accounting have been suspended for this program?
In short, real but remote threat...being used for big money and political gain with little concern for reality.
While not denying that Imperial Japan was increadably aggressive and "evil" (think Rape of Nanking and a whole sort of other stuff)...there is some basis for the assertion of self-defense. The US had put an oil embargo on Japan, and they were looking at the real possibility of running completely out and being defenceless. Pearl Harbor was hitting back first to keep that fleet from getting involved when they pursued a main objective, the oil fields in Indoneasia (Then Dutch controlled) which involved going through territory controlled by Britain and (obviously) the dutch. This a gross simplification of a very complicated situation, but many dont know about it.
Mind you...we put the embargo on Japan because of their war and occupation in China..but the Japanese saw it (somewhat correctly) as an example the US being able to have an empire (Phillipeanes and heavy Chinese interests) and not them. The Japanese were increadably afraid of European domination (with good reason) and sought to become a "great power" (with requsite empire) as a means of forestalling it. Almost worked too.....there was a somewhat solid democracy in Japan in the teens and twenties, unfortunetly it slipped and the millitary took over, and they got too aggressive for their own good. (Mind you, during that period the Japanese were occupying Taiwain (then Formosia) and Korea, so they had already begun the process of expansion, they just hadn't stepped on European toes yet.
History textbooks are not always the best, but there is a huge volume of history produced in the united states, much of it very critical of the US. Look around, and you shall find.
Historians are very independent minded...while we (im a history grad student) will usually admit our biases, there is an honest attempt for the truth, and material is peer-reviewed on an international level to look for problems. Mind you, we cant really agree on anything, but there is an honest attempt by most (ok...not all, some suck) historians to get at the truth.
(Mind you, determining the "truth" in a historical context is extremely difficult, but the attempt is there)
OK...just a statement of opinion here. I support both the right of Israel to exist as well as the formation of a Palestinian state. Just some facts as I understand them.
The creation is Israel was not a result of the holocaust, it had been occuring since the turn of the 20th century. It was formally created in 1948 with the withdraw of the British, who were occupying the region since the end of WW1. A Palistinian state was also to be created. The day Israel was created, every state around it attacked it, and the land that was to be Palistine was taken in the subsequent war. What is regarded as Palistine today was for the most part were never suppose be part of this. West Bank was part of Jordan, Gaza part of Egypt. Taken in a later war (1967 i believe), neither Egypt nor Jordan want it back.
There has never been a formal Palestinian nation, the area of Israel/Palestine were under firm Ottoman control up until WWI, where the british took over.
This is not to deny that Palestinian identity is not a real one today, however is it a modern phenomena as much as the idea of a Israeli state is...in fact it formed largely in response to the growing movement towards an Israeli state. It did not really exist prior to 1900....there were elements of it in place, but not a unified, national palestinian identity. Actually, most of the nations in the middle east now is a modern creation, created rather arbitrarily by the withdraw of british/french after WWII. Egypt would be a probably exception to this, as would Iran (in terms of nationalist identity, they were both controlled both others as well).
The situation in the Middle-East/Palestine/Israel is increadably complicated...and it is really difficult to determine who is "in the right" (both sides are being assholes). As far as I can tell, there really is not good resolution, almost anything done to resolve the problem would be an injustice in some way. I lean towards a simple granting of West Bank and Gaza independence (I have little sympathy for the Jewish settlers in those areas, they intentially went there to make resolution of the problem difficult) but there obviously some problems with this.
Agreed on the the bad luck in governments thing in LA, but really, the US actions in the regions have been horrible. The governments of Chile and Guatamala were very mellow socialist governments, more akin to european socialism, and cannot be explained as a real communist threat. Guatamala was knocked out almost entirely becuase of the interests of United Frust (whos plantations were threatened by land reform). Chile disolved itself, but the US support for the following Pinochet regime was horrific, largely because it was looking like the US copper companies in Chile were being threatened. Amazingly, the US supported Pinochet even after he set off a car bomb in DC to take out a dissident exile.
Castro was probably a moderate socialist upon taking power, but we really forced him in to the soviet bloc. Mind you, Cuba was so completely dominated by the US at that point that an anti-US swing was quite likely upon a real nationalist government taking power. We had been supporting Batista for some time, and that man was increadably brutal.
Dont know much about the sandinistas, however the US response to it was in any case horrific, as well as extremely illegal both in international and domestic terms, think Iran-Contra, selling arms to a hostile government to illegally subvert another. Joy.
All of this ignoring our long term occupation of areas such as Haiti, Dominician Republic, Panama, Nicruagua, sporatic occupation of Mexico (VeraCruz) and the like.
Anti-communism was really just an excuse for the continued US strongarming in the region, which goes back really until before 1898 (it really surged up after the Spanish-American war). This is of course ignoring when we outright took 1/3rd of Mexico, in the 1840s I believe.
I am not isolationist mind you, but I really think that this hardball foreign policy has backfired on us so many times that it was time we learned that a slighly mellower approach to foreign policy would piss off alot less people and be more beneficial in the long run.
I beleive that a good number of people (4?) launch and reenter on the main deck...the flight deck is not that large...I think it usually cares 3 or 4 people. I watched the NASATV coverage last week...and it had some film of the crew getting out of its seats right after launch...there were only 4 on the flight deck...and I only recall 3 seated.
I believe that the problem with Columbia supporting the ISS was that it was significantly heaver than the other shuttles, and hence would have difficulty lifty heavy payloads up to the ISS. However, perhaps it could get there with a lighter payload.
There are major holes in Signs as far as the aliens are concerned, but IMHO it doesnt matter. Signs is not a sci-fi movie or about aliens, it is a movie about god that just happends to have aliens in it. Oneo of the things I thought was great about the movis was its shift from the sci-fi to the divine.
On the other hand, the fact that aliens had a hard time with doors really annoyed me. These were wacky aliens.
The Soviet Union actually did declare war, several weeks before the surrender. Not sure why they didn't get to share in the occupation of Japan, maybe the creation of North Korea (Korea was then a Japanese colony) was deemed to be enough. The SU also got some islands (the Kuriles, I believe) to the north of Japan.
Check out John Dowers "War Without Mercy"...good read. While there was a Japanese policy of "no-surrender" and suicide, this was backed up, in many instances, by US refusal to take prisioners. There was so much animosity going back and forth that both sides completly demonized the other. This is in contrast to say US attitudes towards the Germans, who were still regarded as "human" in ways the Japanese were not.
Please note that the US commander of Corrigor (a general Wainwright) in the Phillapines (sp...sorry) was expect to fight to the death, and McArther (spelling again, its late, give me a break) flipped when he heard of the surrender.
Japanese civilian fear of the US is well documented, it is visable thoughout books on the war. I have heard of no US atrocities against Japanese civilians (which were not encounted till late in the war, and in limited numbers in places like Saipan and Okinawa), but this does not mean that the fear was not there, a byproduct of the massive racial animosity that had developed.
Dower is a great author, "War Without Mercy" sketched out this racial animocity very well, and also demonstrates how it quickly changed after surrender. His "Embracing Defeat", regarding the occupation of Japan, is a masterpiece, and goes into more detail regarding the rapid shift in perceptions and culture.
I would disagree with this. I use OpenOffice for all of my work, both in Windows and Linux, and I have been quite happy with it. I will admit that it is slower than pretty much any office suite out there, but once it is up it is a non issue.
KOffice and Abiword are fine little buffed up text editors, but they simply can't handle simple things like footnotes, which make them completely unsuitable for my, and probably many other peoples purposes. OpenOffice handles footnotes very well, even better that Word IMHO.
Word is fairly good...but is expensive, not cross platform, and does certain things that annoy me. I wish that OO had its spell and gramemr check (which I ignore half the time, but is still useful for catching some mistakes). Other than these two issues though, OpenOffice fills my needs perfectly on this front.
Just a nitpick...OS X doesnt use the BSD kernel...its uses Mach....there is a BSD server that provides much BSD functionality...but the actual kernel is Mach.
The Zalman flower heatsinking have worked well for me...nice and quiet with good cooling. I have seen these for sale at quietpc.com and directron.com. Only problem is they are really large...which made mounting kindof interesting.
Basically consistes of a large copper flower that mounts on the CPU...with a larger 60 0r 80mm (I forget) fan that mounts over it via a bracket that attaced to the screws on the expansion slots.
I don't know what is sadder...the amount of people that will unknowingly do this or the negative impact this could have on such things as Seti@home.
I belive that viva is latin for life....as in vivasect....I could be wrong though
errrr.....you do realize that this is satire...pretty funny satire at that, and that VALinux ain't going nowhere.....
Hmmmm....interesting sig
The willingness of humanity to bitch about MS without reading the damn article is the fall of them.
StormPKG is in Debian unstable right now and works like a charm...I would like to see SAS too, but some parts of Storm are making it over.
It would be nice if some people picked up the other storm parts and became maintainers from them in Debian....are their any other nifty storm software other than stormpkg, SAS and the installer (which I wouldn't think Debian would want as they are working on their own)
The teacher who died was Kristen McAulliff (I know I slaughtered the spelling there), Sally Ride was, I believe the first US woman in space...I forget in what capacity though.
:-)
Space travel is dangerous....I sure whoever went up (if this isn't just vapor, which I suspect) would be fully warned...and I really don't think that it makes much of a difference if a game show contestant rather than a regular astronaut gets blown up....well, I can think of some differences, like alot of people wouldn't mind...but that would be rude
And still, despite the danger, the US has only had 3 major accidents related to space travel, and one of those did not result in fatalities. Pretty damn good record for a field like spaceflight.
I think that while all this license stuff seems like pointless quibbling, the existance of these license's is what helps keep this software free. The license purists prove an extremely valuable function by ensuring that one of the predominent OSS licenses out there remains meaningfull, and not eroded away by small, overlookable violations, which, as a whole, may be minor, but in aggragate can severly impact the license. It ain't a pretty process, but its important.
While I respect the KDE project and think that it is great that QT has gone GPL, I do think that they could have done more to address these license problems that have always plagued them. Most of the statements from KDE has seemed to dismiss any notion of a problem. While they and many others believe in this position, there is a significant portion that do not. Alittle bit of effort to address the concerned parties, rather than statements stating that there is no problem, or that it only affects a few programs, would have gone a long way. Its wasn't though...lets all hope this fight is over, the parties involved can kiss and make up...and that we might see some KDE2 binaries available for Debian soon.
Hate to be petty, but the G in Gnome stands for GNU, and gnome.org is quite clear on the fact that it is a GNU project. So RMS is correct in saying that it is GNU.
The GNU-Linux thing is another issue. I agree with that designation, but many don't...
Just a quibble....BeOS really isn't a *nix...all new code. It uses the bash shell for its terminal, and is nominaly POSIX complient...with lots of unix tools ported over....but it, itself, is not a *nix, nor does it really resemble one in most fundemental ways.
Frankly, I don't like SO either, but I'm thrilled to see it go GPL all the same.....alittle (well, alot) of work could make it into a great suite...namely by breaking the damn apps apart.
Word Perfect Suite 2000 ain't bad, but running via wine creates some weirdnes.....like I'm still trying to make the damn thing print.