doesn't support load balancing, hot site, and paralell or clustered transactions
MySQL Replication can be configured for all of that. When it comes time to load balance MySQL, putting a hardware solutions such as a Cisco CSS 11000 series load balancer in front works without problems. Should you prefer a more Linux way, IPVS works. Or Should you like a generic method without a way to remove dead hosts, then you can you DNS round robbin.
That brings me to the question of why use Compiere at all on anything but oracle
You haven't priced Oracle lately have you?
is there a demand for an ERP system that doesn't use a commercially supported system
Think Fortune 5000 companies that are sick of paying $500,000 in "maintence" fees for JD Edwards running on an IBM AS/400 that they cannot find anyone to maintain for them. Think small businesses that using QuickBooks Enterprise doesn't scale to due to artifical limitations of the software such as 10 concurrent users, and greater than 30,000 products, vendors, and customers.
NO vendor in there right mind would want to support a product they didn't develop or that didn't have its own superb support channels to begin with
You pay me enough money, I will support it. I don't care if I have no access to the source code, I can find a way to make the application work. It may not be pretty, and it could get VERY expensive, but in the end it will work.
You have to remember that big business is alot different than hosting a small website or cddb database on your average linux pc
Your right, in that situation you have one boss, in big business you have 5000.
I don't know why everyone forgets the default solution. SNMP comes with almost all Unix systems and Microsoft Windows.
If your Unix system doesn't come with one Net-SNMP will install on many of them.
The SNMP daemon by default understands how to monitor Load Avg, Memory, Processes, and so forth. It may not be able to tell you details of the process, such as what user is logged into the POP3 daemon, but it will tell you that you have 500 of them running, and alert you (via SNMP Traps) of that fact.
ALl you need to do once you have checked the documentation for your SNMP agent and then configured it, is to setup a single (ok, maybe 2 or 3) machine to send your traps to so you can kick of alerts. With some simple scripting in $FAVORITE_SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE you can email, page, text message, update web page, or $OTHER.
Cricket or MRTG are nice utilities that will poll the servers in question (by default every 5 minutes) and produce graphs. MRTG was designed to handle network equipment and graph the bandwidth utilization, but with a change to the SNMP string, will graph anything. Cricket is the same concept but does things a little differently by using a tree configuration system for property inheritance and does graph generation on the fly instead of the at poll time method MRTG uses.
And last but not least, Transmeta produced a very good perl script monitoring package known simply as Mon. This package will do active polling of the servers including issuing a transaction to the service you are monitoring. Due to the way this software monitors, you can actually see if the remote machine is alive by actually utilizing the service to monitor instead of just the "I can ping it, it must be up" mentality some people have.
Best part about all the above mentioned software is that they are all applications with an OSI Approved OpenSource license. This means you don't spend anything but TIME, and possibly a few machines to do the actual monitoring with.
And you may wonder about the impact of system performance due to the monitoring by SNMP, MRTG/Cricket, and Mon. The short answer is that I couldn't detect a noticable increase. Other utilities such as Argent (Commercial Pay For Software) would impact a HP-UX V Class 8 CPU with 8GB RAM machine from 0% on all 8 CPUs to about 20% on ALL 8 CPUs while it telneted to the machine, created about 150KB of test scripts, and then ran them.
They released a new update January this year. What I noticed as weird about it is that it is only on the BEFVP41 that you buy new, you cannot download it.
I noticed this when i just purchased a new one of these to setup a VPN between me and my friends place.
I don't know if this is an intended feature or not but with the reconnect VPN on demand nature of the connections I do not mind that it will drop it. There is of course the advanced property to put an anti idle into the data streams as well.
No I don't work for LinkSys, just got too familiar with their products of late...
I don't know how far you have researched this, but if you are running RedHat Linux 7.x, 8.0, or 9 you already have a solution with Amanda.
Backup of Microsoft Windows machines happens via Samba shares of course, and it will run in agent or agentless mode.
Agent mode of course gives you things like bandwidth throttling and compression of the network bandwidth usage. Agentless mode and you can back up anything you can mount.
Typically you can have it use the smbtar(1) command (from Samba) to have it backup your windows machine.
I bought my copy from CompUSA on Thursday of last week.
You can still see remains of them putting it on their online site here. Notice that the vendors available for software are Microsoft and RedHat. They have since corrected this blunder buy taking the products off this section.
I have been running RedHat 9 on my Laptop (Dell Latitude C840) without issue. Just a small problem with wireless cards not working that worked in RedHat 8.0 (aka LinkSys WPC11 Version 3)
The flyer inside the box telling you you need to apply errata for initscripts is rather nice. To bad RedHat didn't make it available on their updates.redhat.com ftp site yet.
One thing most people don't consider is that Exchange 5.5 and 2000 run their own LDAP services.
One method would be to setup OpenLDAP as a slave to the exchange server to pull all the DLs and so forth to your unix platform. From there (with redhat at least) it is pretty strait forward to use Sendmail's integration with LDAP to use that OpenLDAP store.
If you don't want to leave OpenLDAP running you can use the MigrateTools from padl.com to see how you can convert that OpenLDAP store back to something usable. Or just export the sections you need via GQ.
You can quickly do this with any Cisco Catalyst series switch.
A single Catalyst 2924XL with say half its ports tosed into a different VLAN than your regular network , and your router understanding the new addresses is all you need.
For DHCP, just set the Catalyst to relay the DHCP request to the server. You will have to add an apropriet range to serve of course.
Very simple, and in most cases do not have to spend any additional money as most places will already have either Cisco or Nortel switches that are capable of running a VLAN.
If you need to purchase one, Cisco Catalyst 2924XL switches can be had for at most $2000 which is inside most libraries budgets.
And what ever happened to IBM SSA drives & controllers. These are also 4 wire, serial drives with a ring bus.
80 mbit access on the wire, and since it was ring, you could hook up only one drive and get 160 mbit from a single device because you had two paths to it from the controller.
Looks like the same thing but this time we are going ATA to get it to market.
But you cannot tie a particular IP address to a user. You have the problems of AOL users (each request from a different IP address) and corporations (and now many homes) using NAT or PAT devices to make 1 or more users have the same IP address.
The best way to get around this is setting a session cookie via Apache. Then you key off that.
Have you taken a look at PHP 4.x's equiv to the CPAN yet, PEAR?
Using PEAR I have items such as database abstraction, PHPDoc (JavaDoc for PHP basically), and much more.
Sure it is a layer on top of what is available but if you combine this, with APC or Zend you can precompile everything to byte code for faster execution.
Documentation for php is also very easy to find. You have it available for download in HTML, TXT, Windows CHM, and PalmDOC formats. All of this is also available online fully searchable with comments from the users.
As for your complaint about the built in nature of all the database access functions, how else would you do it? Generate.so/.dll libraries for the functions so you can update them later? (This is already done.)
Now on to your complaint of long function names. How else should we do it? Use something cryptic like hungarian notation so we end up with a function that looks like "pidbcm" for returns a pointer to an in and i am a database connect function for MySQL? Personally I don't find a problem with identifiers up to 50 characters long so long as they define what the identifier is. The compiler will take them out anyways.
I don't know about HP lately. I have a large quantity of the HP LP1000R 1U rack mount boxes (nicely behaved most of the time), and I noticed the switched from rebranded Seagate drives that have never given us problems to rebranded IBM drives.
We noticed this *AFTER* an entire cluster went down due to the IBM drives all failing at the same time. Yes I know these drives are their 18GB SCSI drives, but makes you wonder if what affects the IDE drive line effects the SCSI line as well.
Reminds me of a radio station I was listening to a while back. I think it was WOAI-AM with a syndicate show of some flavor. Anyways. The detail that stuck out to me is that somebody stuck a copyright or trademark on the phrase "Christmas Wish List" and they couldn't say that phrase without the correct attributation or use that as part of the program in that fashion any more (even though they had for many years).
I won't speak for everyone else but where I am everyone seems to want to toss this chear on me. I would rather happily keep on working and not notice the time of year.
I do not celibrate christmas or any other of the fun holidays during this time of year. I would rather them do away with them if possible.
What bugs me the most is everything everyone seems to do is all christmas related. Generic decorations I do not mind, but I would rather not be confronted with a picture of St. Nick at the work place.
Guess what I'm trying to say is decorate and celebrate if you must, because if no other reason we all need to lighten up and take a break, but make it generic so those of us that are a little disgruntled with this time of year are able to keep on working. Forced participation in the company or IT christmas parties... Yick!
This is funny... They have a corvet.museum but no jeep.museum or volkswagen.museum or even edsil.museum. Shouldn't we make them for everyone if we are going to make them for corvets?
Then again, what if corvet isn't that car made by chevy, but corvet class battle ships?
Eh... i get off my soap box and wonder why we just cannot give these people a.museum.org and be done with it.
I read most of the previous comments and well, I agree that some people here are hypocritical about this. Love Napster, Hate these people, Uggh. Need music, free music. There's my paper, they cannot do this I want to sue!
Hrmm, demonstrates the law suit happy nature of people these days. This not being a good or a bad thing but just is. Like chocolate fudge brownies just is. Mmmm... I think I know what I'm baking tonight. Now back to the topic, sorta.
As much as I like the concept of napster I greatly dislike some aspects of it. It should be the Artist providing a digital copy of the song note joe blow user who doesn't know how to use a MP3/OOG/WAV/AU/... encoder and rip from the CD. Seriously the artist has a better master version anyways and can probably get the MP3 sounding just as good if not better than a CD.
Now these people come along and start selling research papers that they appear to have gotten legally (remember that stack of paperwork you signed your life away on when you entered college?) and many complain.
To me the same argument holds true for both napster, gnutella, freenet, and friends just as much as it does for this. This is the type of information that wants and needs to be free for the benifit of all the human race. We shouldn't be fighting over who owns which idea, but increasing the body of knowledge at hand rather than constantly re-inventing the wheel.
We program with dynamic libraries in various forms so we can write the program and not spend weeks customizing the startup, i'm loading so wait for me dialog box. We don't reinvent the code as it is there for us to use. How is it we suddenly have the right to complain about Napster doing the same (making use of songs for culture and musicians to build on) or even these people (making use of research papers to further the body of scientific or other knowledge so we don't have to repeat the same mistakes).
I don't know about the rest of the people here but I think these people have the basis for a good service. If done in a way that gives a bit of credit to the authors so much the better. If not well someone should start their own service and fix it.
This is a good idea. I don't feel like wasting money, time or equipment on a path that is known and proven to fail. I think money, time, and all that should be used to further the knowledge for the sake of knowledge instead of the current for product that makes money. Yes everyone needs to get payed to eat but ever wonder if our society model was flawed?
Too often a good peaceful demonstration turns to violence and bloodsheed because a few rable rousers throw something, start fires, overturn cars, etc.
Very true. Now I'm just hoping to see the people that participate on both sides of the fence (police and protesters and whomever else involved) would please grow up and find a civilized way to solve things like a good game of Quake III or Rock, Paper, and Sisiors.:) He with the most frags wins?
I feel the author (Vergil) has been so duped. Better to work for change from the inside. Never forget who you are.
I agree. The only thing I have a possible issue is when is it right to go outside the system and change from the outside. In many cases I would have to say there is never a need, and I just hope the few that ever present themselves are handled in a sane manner.
What? You counter this with a definition of a THEORY? C'mon, you can do better than haul out a dictionary.
First reaction, may not have been the best reaction. Either way provides a little context.
Now I will have to agree in that it is a theory and it is possible but I myself am seeing some problems with the probability of the theory working with people today.
When it comes to standing up and being counted, I do....... I've stood up to a college administration, which repeatedly asked me to write applications to record information which would violate a students rights to privacy.... I have no desire to see my face in the news. I'm too busy living to entertain such visions of self promotion.
Sounds just like many of the unsung heros through history. I too have had the joys of dealing with a administration (ok, highschool) which tried to use social security numbers in plain view on mandatory worn chest level badges as a student ID. After about a year of not wearing it and watching them change their rules daily to keep up with having a reason to try to expell me for things they finally droped it.
I'm begining to think it is becoming cool to protest. Not really protest anything in particular but just to protest. I'm surprised we don't have a chain of people protesting protestors right now.
The problem with anarchists is they're too
disorganized.
The problem with anarchy is once someone gets
it organized it isn't anarchy anymore.
Incorrect on both counts.
Small CnP from/usr/share/docs/anarchy... (from debain with anarchy package installed) on the definition of anarchy:
Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create anarchy, "the absence of a master, of a soverign." In other words, anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society within which individuals freely co-operate together as equals. As such anarchism opposes all forms of hierarchical control - be that control by the state or a capitalist - as harmful to the individual and their individuality as well as unnecessary.
And now from the section A.1.1 What does "anarchy" mean?
The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an ( or a ), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director," "chief," "person in charge," or "authority."
Organization does not preclude anarchy from existing. In fact anarchy is very organized in a decentralized or individual maner. Instead the rich few and the poor masses it is a bit more equal for everyone.
Now back to your first section:
Fascinating account of someone looking for trouble and actually finding it. Really. I'm sure I could do no better.
Try some time to take a look around you at various things such as the DMCA, Cryptography, or any other controversial topic and take a stand. What I mean is don't talk unless you are doing the walking as well.
As once said before me by someone commenting on Nazi Germany (sorry from memory and not exact):
When they banned guns I did not speak up because I didn't own a gun. When they persicuted the blacks I did not speak up because I was not black. WHen they persecuted the asians I didn't speak up because I was not asian. When they persecuted the gypsies I did not speak up because I was not a gypsy. When they persecuted the jews I did not speak up because I was not a jew. When they persecuted the polish I did not speak up because I was polish. When they took away my right to speak in protest there was no one left to speak on my behalf.
Hey, we need to extend this to the logical conclusion of Microsoft for the Operating System that allows Napster to run...
Or better... IBM for allowing the user to run windows that runs napster....
Oh wait...
Lets blame Nabisco for the breakfast that the user was eating while the user put together the IBM that will run windows that will run napster that will connect via aol to the internet to share his mp3s...
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I seem to remember an article I think in PC Magazine or some other ZDNET zine that claimed to have a copy of Windows Chichago (Windows 4.0, aka Win9x) that had a semi working version of this interface. A short while later I remember hearing microsoft claiming that it would be a part of memphis and nashville (Win9x). Supposedly Windows 2000 was supposed to have a way to type "read email" and it would. Funny that there hasn't been anyone claiming this for WinME yet.
I personally would rather just have a working and well supported copy of OS/2 with Voice. Friend of mine a number of years ago was able to run the voice interface on OS/2 accidently set a switch to auto translate from english spoken to spanish written. Looked to have been a pretty good translation for the time circa 1994. That is what I call a cool feature.
So when will microsoft impliment something like that? They claim for the 6th year now apparently to have this interface and I just want to see how much it sucks now. I'm tired of waiting.
One final thought, imagine the support costs for the users typing in "reed mail" and it giving an error like "bad command or file name, <a>bort, <r>etry, <i>gnore?"
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So when does the female body suit version come out?
Pris is wondering when she will be able to open a can of Whoop Ass on those rogues...
MySQL can't handle flash back transactions
MySQL BEGIN, COMMIT, ROLLBACK transaction syntax requires use of InnoDB, BerkleyDB (think .dbm files that have been round for years), or GeminiDB (If you want to pay money).
doesn't support load balancing, hot site, and paralell or clustered transactions
MySQL Replication can be configured for all of that. When it comes time to load balance MySQL, putting a hardware solutions such as a Cisco CSS 11000 series load balancer in front works without problems. Should you prefer a more Linux way, IPVS works. Or Should you like a generic method without a way to remove dead hosts, then you can you DNS round robbin.
That brings me to the question of why use Compiere at all on anything but oracle
You haven't priced Oracle lately have you?
is there a demand for an ERP system that doesn't use a commercially supported system
Think Fortune 5000 companies that are sick of paying $500,000 in "maintence" fees for JD Edwards running on an IBM AS/400 that they cannot find anyone to maintain for them. Think small businesses that using QuickBooks Enterprise doesn't scale to due to artifical limitations of the software such as 10 concurrent users, and greater than 30,000 products, vendors, and customers.
NO vendor in there right mind would want to support a product they didn't develop or that didn't have its own superb support channels to begin with
You pay me enough money, I will support it. I don't care if I have no access to the source code, I can find a way to make the application work. It may not be pretty, and it could get VERY expensive, but in the end it will work.
You have to remember that big business is alot different than hosting a small website or cddb database on your average linux pc
Your right, in that situation you have one boss, in big business you have 5000.
Intersting, I didn't know about that one.
That would explain why I had to have new root certificates installed into Apache on RedHat 7.2.
Just the price difference.
I have run many an ecommerce website with Thawte certificates. Lately I have been a fan of InstantSSL certificates.
I would suggest this excelent resource WhichSSL? to assist you in deciding which SSL provider to use.
If your Unix system doesn't come with one Net-SNMP will install on many of them.
The SNMP daemon by default understands how to monitor Load Avg, Memory, Processes, and so forth. It may not be able to tell you details of the process, such as what user is logged into the POP3 daemon, but it will tell you that you have 500 of them running, and alert you (via SNMP Traps) of that fact.
ALl you need to do once you have checked the documentation for your SNMP agent and then configured it, is to setup a single (ok, maybe 2 or 3) machine to send your traps to so you can kick of alerts. With some simple scripting in $FAVORITE_SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE you can email, page, text message, update web page, or $OTHER.
Cricket or MRTG are nice utilities that will poll the servers in question (by default every 5 minutes) and produce graphs. MRTG was designed to handle network equipment and graph the bandwidth utilization, but with a change to the SNMP string, will graph anything. Cricket is the same concept but does things a little differently by using a tree configuration system for property inheritance and does graph generation on the fly instead of the at poll time method MRTG uses.
And last but not least, Transmeta produced a very good perl script monitoring package known simply as Mon. This package will do active polling of the servers including issuing a transaction to the service you are monitoring. Due to the way this software monitors, you can actually see if the remote machine is alive by actually utilizing the service to monitor instead of just the "I can ping it, it must be up" mentality some people have.
Best part about all the above mentioned software is that they are all applications with an OSI Approved OpenSource license. This means you don't spend anything but TIME, and possibly a few machines to do the actual monitoring with.
And you may wonder about the impact of system performance due to the monitoring by SNMP, MRTG/Cricket, and Mon. The short answer is that I couldn't detect a noticable increase. Other utilities such as Argent (Commercial Pay For Software) would impact a HP-UX V Class 8 CPU with 8GB RAM machine from 0% on all 8 CPUs to about 20% on ALL 8 CPUs while it telneted to the machine, created about 150KB of test scripts, and then ran them.
They released a new update January this year. What I noticed as weird about it is that it is only on the BEFVP41 that you buy new, you cannot download it.
I noticed this when i just purchased a new one of these to setup a VPN between me and my friends place.
I don't know if this is an intended feature or not but with the reconnect VPN on demand nature of the connections I do not mind that it will drop it. There is of course the advanced property to put an anti idle into the data streams as well.
No I don't work for LinkSys, just got too familiar with their products of late...
I don't know how far you have researched this, but if you are running RedHat Linux 7.x, 8.0, or 9 you already have a solution with Amanda.
Backup of Microsoft Windows machines happens via Samba shares of course, and it will run in agent or agentless mode.
Agent mode of course gives you things like bandwidth throttling and compression of the network bandwidth usage. Agentless mode and you can back up anything you can mount.
Typically you can have it use the smbtar(1) command (from Samba) to have it backup your windows machine.
Am I the only one that got the article with advertisements for bankruptcy solutions and alternatives?
I bought my copy from CompUSA on Thursday of last week.
You can still see remains of them putting it on their online site here. Notice that the vendors available for software are Microsoft and RedHat. They have since corrected this blunder buy taking the products off this section.
I have been running RedHat 9 on my Laptop (Dell Latitude C840) without issue. Just a small problem with wireless cards not working that worked in RedHat 8.0 (aka LinkSys WPC11 Version 3)
The flyer inside the box telling you you need to apply errata for initscripts is rather nice. To bad RedHat didn't make it available on their updates.redhat.com ftp site yet.
One thing most people don't consider is that Exchange 5.5 and 2000 run their own LDAP services.
One method would be to setup OpenLDAP as a slave to the exchange server to pull all the DLs and so forth to your unix platform. From there (with redhat at least) it is pretty strait forward to use Sendmail's integration with LDAP to use that OpenLDAP store.
If you don't want to leave OpenLDAP running you can use the MigrateTools from padl.com to see how you can convert that OpenLDAP store back to something usable. Or just export the sections you need via GQ.
You can quickly do this with any Cisco Catalyst series switch.
A single Catalyst 2924XL with say half its ports tosed into a different VLAN than your regular network , and your router understanding the new addresses is all you need.
For DHCP, just set the Catalyst to relay the DHCP request to the server. You will have to add an apropriet range to serve of course.
Very simple, and in most cases do not have to spend any additional money as most places will already have either Cisco or Nortel switches that are capable of running a VLAN.
If you need to purchase one, Cisco Catalyst 2924XL switches can be had for at most $2000 which is inside most libraries budgets.
And what ever happened to IBM SSA drives & controllers. These are also 4 wire, serial drives with a ring bus.
80 mbit access on the wire, and since it was ring, you could hook up only one drive and get 160 mbit from a single device because you had two paths to it from the controller.
Looks like the same thing but this time we are going ATA to get it to market.
Move along, no original ideas here....
But you cannot tie a particular IP address to a user. You have the problems of AOL users (each request from a different IP address) and corporations (and now many homes) using NAT or PAT devices to make 1 or more users have the same IP address.
The best way to get around this is setting a session cookie via Apache. Then you key off that.
Have you taken a look at PHP 4.x's equiv to the CPAN yet, PEAR?
.so/.dll libraries for the functions so you can update them later? (This is already done.)
Using PEAR I have items such as database abstraction, PHPDoc (JavaDoc for PHP basically), and much more.
Sure it is a layer on top of what is available but if you combine this, with APC or Zend you can precompile everything to byte code for faster execution.
Documentation for php is also very easy to find. You have it available for download in HTML, TXT, Windows CHM, and PalmDOC formats. All of this is also available online fully searchable with comments from the users.
As for your complaint about the built in nature of all the database access functions, how else would you do it? Generate
Now on to your complaint of long function names. How else should we do it? Use something cryptic like hungarian notation so we end up with a function that looks like "pidbcm" for returns a pointer to an in and i am a database connect function for MySQL? Personally I don't find a problem with identifiers up to 50 characters long so long as they define what the identifier is. The compiler will take them out anyways.
I don't know about HP lately. I have a large quantity of the HP LP1000R 1U rack mount boxes (nicely behaved most of the time), and I noticed the switched from rebranded Seagate drives that have never given us problems to rebranded IBM drives.
We noticed this *AFTER* an entire cluster went down due to the IBM drives all failing at the same time. Yes I know these drives are their 18GB SCSI drives, but makes you wonder if what affects the IDE drive line effects the SCSI line as well.
Sounds like a fun way of dealing with things.
Reminds me of a radio station I was listening to a while back. I think it was WOAI-AM with a syndicate show of some flavor. Anyways. The detail that stuck out to me is that somebody stuck a copyright or trademark on the phrase "Christmas Wish List" and they couldn't say that phrase without the correct attributation or use that as part of the program in that fashion any more (even though they had for many years).
Eh well... I move along...
I won't speak for everyone else but where I am everyone seems to want to toss this chear on me. I would rather happily keep on working and not notice the time of year.
I do not celibrate christmas or any other of the fun holidays during this time of year. I would rather them do away with them if possible.
What bugs me the most is everything everyone seems to do is all christmas related. Generic decorations I do not mind, but I would rather not be confronted with a picture of St. Nick at the work place.
Guess what I'm trying to say is decorate and celebrate if you must, because if no other reason we all need to lighten up and take a break, but make it generic so those of us that are a little disgruntled with this time of year are able to keep on working. Forced participation in the company or IT christmas parties... Yick!
This is funny... They have a corvet.museum but no jeep.museum or volkswagen.museum or even edsil.museum. Shouldn't we make them for everyone if we are going to make them for corvets?
.museum.org and be done with it.
Then again, what if corvet isn't that car made by chevy, but corvet class battle ships?
Eh... i get off my soap box and wonder why we just cannot give these people a
In case no one noticed.. the owners of Discover Magazine are, Yup, you guessed it:
Disney!
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I read most of the previous comments and well, I agree that some people here are hypocritical about this. Love Napster, Hate these people, Uggh. Need music, free music. There's my paper, they cannot do this I want to sue!
Hrmm, demonstrates the law suit happy nature of people these days. This not being a good or a bad thing but just is. Like chocolate fudge brownies just is. Mmmm... I think I know what I'm baking tonight. Now back to the topic, sorta.
As much as I like the concept of napster I greatly dislike some aspects of it. It should be the Artist providing a digital copy of the song note joe blow user who doesn't know how to use a MP3/OOG/WAV/AU/... encoder and rip from the CD. Seriously the artist has a better master version anyways and can probably get the MP3 sounding just as good if not better than a CD.
Now these people come along and start selling research papers that they appear to have gotten legally (remember that stack of paperwork you signed your life away on when you entered college?) and many complain.
To me the same argument holds true for both napster, gnutella, freenet, and friends just as much as it does for this. This is the type of information that wants and needs to be free for the benifit of all the human race. We shouldn't be fighting over who owns which idea, but increasing the body of knowledge at hand rather than constantly re-inventing the wheel.
We program with dynamic libraries in various forms so we can write the program and not spend weeks customizing the startup, i'm loading so wait for me dialog box. We don't reinvent the code as it is there for us to use. How is it we suddenly have the right to complain about Napster doing the same (making use of songs for culture and musicians to build on) or even these people (making use of research papers to further the body of scientific or other knowledge so we don't have to repeat the same mistakes).
I don't know about the rest of the people here but I think these people have the basis for a good service. If done in a way that gives a bit of credit to the authors so much the better. If not well someone should start their own service and fix it.
This is a good idea. I don't feel like wasting money, time or equipment on a path that is known and proven to fail. I think money, time, and all that should be used to further the knowledge for the sake of knowledge instead of the current for product that makes money. Yes everyone needs to get payed to eat but ever wonder if our society model was flawed?
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Very true. Now I'm just hoping to see the people that participate on both sides of the fence (police and protesters and whomever else involved) would please grow up and find a civilized way to solve things like a good game of Quake III or Rock, Paper, and Sisiors. :) He with the most frags wins?
I agree. The only thing I have a possible issue is when is it right to go outside the system and change from the outside. In many cases I would have to say there is never a need, and I just hope the few that ever present themselves are handled in a sane manner.
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First reaction, may not have been the best reaction. Either way provides a little context.
Now I will have to agree in that it is a theory and it is possible but I myself am seeing some problems with the probability of the theory working with people today.
Sounds just like many of the unsung heros through history. I too have had the joys of dealing with a administration (ok, highschool) which tried to use social security numbers in plain view on mandatory worn chest level badges as a student ID. After about a year of not wearing it and watching them change their rules daily to keep up with having a reason to try to expell me for things they finally droped it.
I'm begining to think it is becoming cool to protest. Not really protest anything in particular but just to protest. I'm surprised we don't have a chain of people protesting protestors right now.
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Incorrect on both counts.
Small CnP from /usr/share/docs/anarchy... (from debain with anarchy package installed) on the definition of anarchy:
And now from the section A.1.1 What does "anarchy" mean?
Organization does not preclude anarchy from existing. In fact anarchy is very organized in a decentralized or individual maner. Instead the rich few and the poor masses it is a bit more equal for everyone.
Now back to your first section:
Try some time to take a look around you at various things such as the DMCA, Cryptography, or any other controversial topic and take a stand. What I mean is don't talk unless you are doing the walking as well.
As once said before me by someone commenting on Nazi Germany (sorry from memory and not exact):
When they banned guns I did not speak up because I didn't own a gun. When they persicuted the blacks I did not speak up because I was not black. WHen they persecuted the asians I didn't speak up because I was not asian. When they persecuted the gypsies I did not speak up because I was not a gypsy. When they persecuted the jews I did not speak up because I was not a jew. When they persecuted the polish I did not speak up because I was polish. When they took away my right to speak in protest there was no one left to speak on my behalf.
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Hey, we need to extend this to the logical conclusion of Microsoft for the Operating System that allows Napster to run...
Or better... IBM for allowing the user to run windows that runs napster....
Oh wait...
Lets blame Nabisco for the breakfast that the user was eating while the user put together the IBM that will run windows that will run napster that will connect via aol to the internet to share his mp3s...
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I seem to remember an article I think in PC Magazine or some other ZDNET zine that claimed to have a copy of Windows Chichago (Windows 4.0, aka Win9x) that had a semi working version of this interface. A short while later I remember hearing microsoft claiming that it would be a part of memphis and nashville (Win9x). Supposedly Windows 2000 was supposed to have a way to type "read email" and it would. Funny that there hasn't been anyone claiming this for WinME yet.
I personally would rather just have a working and well supported copy of OS/2 with Voice. Friend of mine a number of years ago was able to run the voice interface on OS/2 accidently set a switch to auto translate from english spoken to spanish written. Looked to have been a pretty good translation for the time circa 1994. That is what I call a cool feature.
So when will microsoft impliment something like that? They claim for the 6th year now apparently to have this interface and I just want to see how much it sucks now. I'm tired of waiting.
One final thought, imagine the support costs for the users typing in "reed mail" and it giving an error like "bad command or file name, <a>bort, <r>etry, <i>gnore?"
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